Forza 5 = 60$ with f2p transactions

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#1 Posted by angelsrul_basic (79 posts) -

There's a big thread on the neogaf forums about this. I don't have either next gen console; last gen I had all three and liked the 360 the best because of superior muliplats, most of the time, and halo 3, made by bungie in its prime. Xbox one seems bad for the gaming industry period. Microsoft is showing it's all about the money this gen. Their hardware is weaker and more expensive. They tried to ban used games and back pedaled. Now they appear to be implementing f2p structure on full priced 60$ games. I don't really understand why people are buying the xbox one; they are rewarding Microsoft for degrading gaming in general. I preffered the xbox last gen; but I really hope if fails this gen for the sake of gaming.

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#2 Posted by inb4uall (6564 posts) -

@angelsrul_basic: Captain obvious, I salute thee.

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#3 Edited by TheRealBigRich (780 posts) -

I just honestly don't see how MS selling a product how they want to cant hurt people that does not want to buy there product in the end. I think this day and age where information is widely known I think people know what they want to do and don't need to be told not to support this or that product cause I don't want to.

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#4 Posted by danabo (2476 posts) -

9/10

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#5 Posted by silversix_ (22621 posts) -

Forza 5 = with F2P ripoff = Microsoft in 2013. Be ready for juicy microtransactions in Halo 5. Everyone gets the Needler for free and all other multiplayer weapons average from $1 to $7 and to be able to pick up rockets you need to pay $10. greatness awaits!!!

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#6 Posted by lglz1337 (4798 posts) -

MS bringing new standards again nasty pile of shit company with their shit brainless lems

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#7 Edited by Mr_Ditters (1915 posts) -

The idiot consumer is the bane of capitalism. People will buy it. MS makes money. Other companies copy it.

One thing I will give MS credit for is accurately judging the stupidity of people--just like Obama. People can't really be that dumb. Oh yes they can.

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#8 Posted by Duckyindiana (2288 posts) -

And Gran Turismo is doing the same so why just attack MS?!

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#9 Edited by FastEddie2121 (3081 posts) -

I was on the fence about getting the X1 and was about to pull the trigger since I was extremely hyped for Forza until I read the threads they've got going on Neogaf. In a rare moment of clarity I used the money I got trading in stuff to Gamestop and got a shiny, new ps3 bundle for $100 cash to play all those exclusives. Yes, GT6 is also doing this which also sucks. However, its worse on the X1 since getting to play this game in the first place requires you to shell out almost $600. Purchasing DLC cars just unlocks the cars so that you can then grind or pay real money to get them. Forza has stepped significantly over the line here. You used to be gifted cars in Forza for doing well in races. That feature is now gone.

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#10 Posted by remiks00 (3669 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

Forza 5 = with F2P ripoff = Microsoft in 2013. Be ready for juicy microtransactions in Halo 5. Everyone gets the Needler for free and all other multiplayer weapons average from $1 to $7 and to be able to pick up rockets you need to pay $10. greatness awaits!!!

Funny thing is, I can actually see this happening.

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#11 Edited by clyde46 (48915 posts) -

Don't just blame MS. Its all those idiots who bought that shit last gen.

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#12 Posted by _Matt_ (10104 posts) -

@Duckyindiana said:

And Gran Turismo is doing the same so why just attack MS?!

While it's true that Gran Turismo has microtransactions now, it does not have day 1 dlc, and does not have a season car pack that costs almost the same as the whole game brand new.

Forza 4 is pretty similar too though, stupidly expensive dlc; it's optional, but it's not nice dangling them in front of your nose, then telling you you gave to pay £8 just for 2 more cars or similar.

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#13 Edited by Evo_nine (2161 posts) -

Ive been playing forza for about 4 hours and I can tell you that the game gives you enough credits to buy the best car in each class as you progress.

All this talk is stupid. The option is there for the peeps who don't want to play the game. That's all.

Can I also just say that the game is fabulous, the sound is amazing, the graphics and 60fps is beautiful.

Anyone that is into cars should do themselves a favour and play it because its brilliant.

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#14 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

@_Matt_ said:

@Duckyindiana said:

And Gran Turismo is doing the same so why just attack MS?!

While it's true that Gran Turismo has microtransactions now, it does not have day 1 dlc, and does not have a season car pack that costs almost the same as the whole game brand new.

Forza 4 is pretty similar too though, stupidly expensive dlc; it's optional, but it's not nice dangling them in front of your nose, then telling you you gave to pay £8 just for 2 more cars or similar.

How is that any different really, the point is no one should be trying to slap money behind what is supposed to be a full experience

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#15 Posted by _Matt_ (10104 posts) -

@megaspiderweb09 said:

@_Matt_ said:

@Duckyindiana said:

And Gran Turismo is doing the same so why just attack MS?!

While it's true that Gran Turismo has microtransactions now, it does not have day 1 dlc, and does not have a season car pack that costs almost the same as the whole game brand new.

Forza 4 is pretty similar too though, stupidly expensive dlc; it's optional, but it's not nice dangling them in front of your nose, then telling you you gave to pay £8 just for 2 more cars or similar.

How is that any different really, the point is no one should be trying to slap money behind what is supposed to be a full experience

From a micro transactions POV, it's no different. But both games are generous enough with game winnings that you will only need micro-transactions if you suck at the game (something EA introduced with BF Bad Company 2 I believe).

From a DLC perspective, and general milking though...

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#16 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

LMFAO at the morons who defend this BS.

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#17 Edited by casharmy (8977 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

Don't just blame MS. Its all those idiots who bought that shit last gen.

lol, don't blame MS?

Microsoft forcing fees? Marketplace Phil. 101 with Epic and Microsoft

Sweeney and Mark Rein from Epic Games (

Gears of War

,

Unreal Tournament

) sat down and talked about Xbox Live Marketplace and a host of other topics. But the quote that stuck in people's heads was when Tim Sweeney implied Epic would like to give Gears of War maps away for free on Xbox Marketplace (like they did the original maps), but Microsoft won't let them.

Sweeney said, "We already released two [maps] and we have four more maps that we've built. We've been wanting to give them away for a long time but actually Microsoft has been pushing back on us for that. They're trying to build this business model around selling additional content for games and that's a valid idea, but definitely we would like to release more stuff for free and we haven't been able to do so -- yet. Which is unfortunate, there's a lot of good business reasons for releasing free content for a game."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/09/microsoft-forcing-fees-marketplace-phil-101-with-epic-and-microsoft/

A lot of consumers are dumb but it's not their fault MS was forcing developers to do this to make it a trend from the begining, this type of thing was exactly what MS wanted.

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#18 Posted by Evo_nine (2161 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

LMFAO at the morons who defend this BS.

How about you try playing the game.

You will realise you don't need to spend any money. Credits are easy to earn.

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#19 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@Evo_nine: Still a rip-off even if you can get those cars,... with credits.

Stop being an apologist.

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#20 Posted by XenoLair (4756 posts) -

Greed knows no boundaries.

Also: Sheep will eat grass and not question its color, even if it may be red. If you got that, good for you ;)

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#21 Posted by EZs (1453 posts) -

Ah MS... The very same company that forces game pulishers/indies to pay to patch their own games last gen. Remember that.

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#22 Posted by Evo_nine (2161 posts) -

@Suppaman100 said:

@Evo_nine: Still a rip-off even if you can get those cars,... with credits.

Stop being an apologist.

So you want gamers to have every car available at once?

Forza is not the only game out there that makes you earn nice things.

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#23 Posted by Suppaman100 (5250 posts) -

@Evo_nine said:

@Suppaman100 said:

@Evo_nine: Still a rip-off even if you can get those cars,... with credits.

Stop being an apologist.

So you want gamers to have every car available at once?

Forza is not the only game out there that makes you earn nice things.

Lol wot? I didn't say that.

I just think the idea of unlocking cars earlier by paying for them is BS and a total rip-off that destroys the idea of mandatory progression in a game to unlock cars.

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#24 Posted by clyde46 (48915 posts) -

@casharmy said:

@clyde46 said:

Don't just blame MS. Its all those idiots who bought that shit last gen.

lol, don't blame MS?

Microsoft forcing fees? Marketplace Phil. 101 with Epic and Microsoft

Sweeney and Mark Rein from Epic Games (

Gears of War

,

Unreal Tournament

) sat down and talked about Xbox Live Marketplace and a host of other topics. But the quote that stuck in people's heads was when Tim Sweeney implied Epic would like to give Gears of War maps away for free on Xbox Marketplace (like they did the original maps), but Microsoft won't let them.

Sweeney said, "We already released two [maps] and we have four more maps that we've built. We've been wanting to give them away for a long time but actually Microsoft has been pushing back on us for that. They're trying to build this business model around selling additional content for games and that's a valid idea, but definitely we would like to release more stuff for free and we haven't been able to do so -- yet. Which is unfortunate, there's a lot of good business reasons for releasing free content for a game."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/09/microsoft-forcing-fees-marketplace-phil-101-with-epic-and-microsoft/

A lot of consumers are dumb but it's not their fault MS was forcing developers to do this to make it a trend from the begining, this type of thing was exactly what MS wanted.

Here comes to SDF. You need to re-read my post champ. MS is in this business to make money, if they can make money by selling DLC to chumps then thats exactly what they will do. Its business 101, why do you think Apple products sell like hotcakes every year?

Maybe MS was the one that started this but Sony and Nintendo soon followed suit and we are stuck in this cycle because of chumps who continue to buy this DLC crap. Vote with your wallet, complaining about it on a forum is going to do jackshit.

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#25 Posted by j2zon2591 (2861 posts) -

Well it's a console built for Xboneheads.

People with low visual standards (crushed blacks, low res, 2D crowd forza) and Full Retail pricing + F2P and Kinect suckers.

They'll keep sucking on it and they will tolerate this.

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#26 Edited by casharmy (8977 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@casharmy said:

@clyde46 said:

Don't just blame MS. Its all those idiots who bought that shit last gen.

lol, don't blame MS?

Microsoft forcing fees? Marketplace Phil. 101 with Epic and Microsoft

Sweeney and Mark Rein from Epic Games (

Gears of War

,

Unreal Tournament

) sat down and talked about Xbox Live Marketplace and a host of other topics. But the quote that stuck in people's heads was when Tim Sweeney implied Epic would like to give Gears of War maps away for free on Xbox Marketplace (like they did the original maps), but Microsoft won't let them.

Sweeney said, "We already released two [maps] and we have four more maps that we've built. We've been wanting to give them away for a long time but actually Microsoft has been pushing back on us for that. They're trying to build this business model around selling additional content for games and that's a valid idea, but definitely we would like to release more stuff for free and we haven't been able to do so -- yet. Which is unfortunate, there's a lot of good business reasons for releasing free content for a game."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/09/microsoft-forcing-fees-marketplace-phil-101-with-epic-and-microsoft/

A lot of consumers are dumb but it's not their fault MS was forcing developers to do this to make it a trend from the begining, this type of thing was exactly what MS wanted.

Here comes to SDF. You need to re-read my post champ. MS is in this business to make money, if they can make money by selling DLC to chumps then thats exactly what they will do. Its business 101, why do you think Apple products sell like hotcakes every year?

Maybe MS was the one that started this but Sony and Nintendo soon followed suit and we are stuck in this cycle because of chumps who continue to buy this DLC crap. Vote with your wallet, complaining about it on a forum is going to do jackshit.

Translation:

Clyde46, "MS can do no wrong so leave them alone"

Ok Clyde I won't say anything else about the company you worship.

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#27 Edited by clyde46 (48915 posts) -

@casharmy said:

@clyde46 said:

@casharmy said:

@clyde46 said:

Don't just blame MS. Its all those idiots who bought that shit last gen.

lol, don't blame MS?

Microsoft forcing fees? Marketplace Phil. 101 with Epic and Microsoft

Sweeney and Mark Rein from Epic Games (

Gears of War

,

Unreal Tournament

) sat down and talked about Xbox Live Marketplace and a host of other topics. But the quote that stuck in people's heads was when Tim Sweeney implied Epic would like to give Gears of War maps away for free on Xbox Marketplace (like they did the original maps), but Microsoft won't let them.

Sweeney said, "We already released two [maps] and we have four more maps that we've built. We've been wanting to give them away for a long time but actually Microsoft has been pushing back on us for that. They're trying to build this business model around selling additional content for games and that's a valid idea, but definitely we would like to release more stuff for free and we haven't been able to do so -- yet. Which is unfortunate, there's a lot of good business reasons for releasing free content for a game."

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/04/09/microsoft-forcing-fees-marketplace-phil-101-with-epic-and-microsoft/

A lot of consumers are dumb but it's not their fault MS was forcing developers to do this to make it a trend from the begining, this type of thing was exactly what MS wanted.

Here comes to SDF. You need to re-read my post champ. MS is in this business to make money, if they can make money by selling DLC to chumps then thats exactly what they will do. Its business 101, why do you think Apple products sell like hotcakes every year?

Maybe MS was the one that started this but Sony and Nintendo soon followed suit and we are stuck in this cycle because of chumps who continue to buy this DLC crap. Vote with your wallet, complaining about it on a forum is going to do jackshit.

Translation:

Clyde46, "MS can do no wrong so leave them alone"

Ok Clyde I won't say anything else about the company you worship.

Run out of retorts? Come on Casharmy, you're better than this.

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#28 Posted by ankor77 (1228 posts) -

While I dont like thesetype of things it is going to be the norm more and more. Big games now cost tons of money to make yet the price of a game has not gone up in a long time. Movie ticket prices have gone way up in the last decade but games have stayed the same. I think if we want top quality games we are going to have to deal with companies trying to squeeze every penny possible out of us.

I sell medical devices to hospitals. We raise our prices every single year for the same product. Hospitals expect it.

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#29 Posted by SuperCowElitist (732 posts) -

Microsoft are charging lemmings to unlock the full games.

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#30 Edited by starjet905 (2062 posts) -

What I want to know is the truth behind this picture. How come the price of a coin increases with the number bought at once? Shouldn't the opposite be how bulk purchases actually work? Is this edited, perhaps?

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#31 Posted by ankor77 (1228 posts) -

Turn10 said that pricing is a mistake and will be fixed.

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#32 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4412 posts) -

@ankor77:

Or maybe they were testing the waters just to see how dumb Lems really are. I mean you guys did buy Horse Armor after all.

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#33 Posted by Heil68 (56045 posts) -

You dont have to purchase the items to progress.

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#34 Posted by tormentos (24097 posts) -

@casharmy said:

Translation:

Clyde46, "MS can do no wrong so leave them alone"

Ok Clyde I won't say anything else about the company you worship.

Yep he is actually a hypocrite look how he defend that crap from MS,but watch in on other thread when the argument is PC vs PS4 saying how great it to get mods and crap for free on PC as well as getting cheaper games..

Is the reason i call him out he is a lemming in a hermit disguise..hahaha

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#35 Posted by thedork_knight (1491 posts) -

Cows seem to forget that GT6 will have microtransactions

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#36 Edited by foxhound_fox (95002 posts) -

Don't like it? Don't buy it.

Pretty fucking simple.

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#37 Posted by ankor77 (1228 posts) -

Forza has a way to earn the included cars without spending money. As people have mentioned it is a choice on our part. Choose not to spend if it bothers you.

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#38 Posted by dino7c (444 posts) -

have to pay for those review scores somehow...good god

Mirco transactions, weather and other basic features removed yet it gets a 9

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#39 Posted by lamprey263 (32122 posts) -

all I know is people have abused the word "microtransactions" to the point it doesn't disuade me anymore, like Mass Effect 3 had microtransactions, to get things you could get just by playing the game without spending money, they took advantage of impatient gamers with no self control, same thing with Dead Space 3, you could spend money if you wanted but you could also salvage parts to make weapons just by playing the game

and the other thing people bitch about are games like Battlefield allowing people to purchases guns and stuff which I never bothered with and they complain it gives others an advantage that don't deserve it, I say they're full of shit, I always did good in Battlefield without it, my friends and I would play for hours and hours, and there's multiple advantages to playing it so damn much, for starters you get personal experience with the game learning the maps and strategies and so does your team of friends so you know what to do when a match starts on a certain map and you're on offense or defense, and it kind of goes without saying playing a lot allows you to keep getting experience that allows you to level up, unlock weapon, unlock accessories, develop the various classes... basically a good and committed playing who practices and levels up will best anybody who buys weapons

anyhow, I haven't played Forza but I imagine one can buy and upgrade cars with some kind of earned in game currency, and I bet the option remains for impatient gamers to just buy that currency instead; well shame if people have no self control if that's the case, but I could really care less that the option is there

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#40 Edited by elipchus (25 posts) -

To me this is all to much. While I see that taking away half the Cars from Forza 4 and making them DLC is for money..The adding in of OPTIONAL tokens, instead of buying cars, with just in game credits is welcome in my book. How bout when my friend comes over. OH I want to play with this car... Well maybe tomorrow??? if I play a lot.... No, just add a simple OPTION for people who don't have the time to grind. Ill give you a few bucks so we can do what we want in this game , right now... IF you do have the time, then play the game and unlock everything... Seems pretty simple

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#41 Posted by hoosier7 (4166 posts) -

@elipchus said:

To me this is all to much. While I see that taking away half the Cars from Forza 4 and making them DLC is for money..The adding in of OPTIONAL tokens, instead of buying cars, with just in game credits is welcome in my book. How bout when my friend comes over. OH I want to play with this car... Well maybe tomorrow??? if I play a lot.... No, just add a simple OPTION for people who don't have the time to grind. Ill give you a few bucks so we can do what we want in this game , right now... IF you do have the time, then play the game and unlock everything... Seems pretty simple

I'd agree if some of the stuff wasn't rediculously grindy. Someone worked it out and you could spend nearly 500 hours grinding to unlock some content. If you replaced your job with Forza it'd still take something like 11 weeks i think and that's from grinding the most efficient races constantly and not even considering anything else you might want to do.

Literally the only way some people are going to be able to access some of the cars is to spend more cash. They need to rebalance some of the costs and the rewards for races, it's too much like money whoring atm.

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#42 Posted by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@TheRealBigRich said:

I just honestly don't see how MS selling a product how they want to cant hurt people that does not want to buy there product in the end. I think this day and age where information is widely known I think people know what they want to do and don't need to be told not to support this or that product cause I don't want to.

Agreed. And to add to it, games have always had the hardest most wanted perks (cars, guns, weapons, ect) that forced you to grind the hell out of the game. There is not one single car in Forza that you can't earn by grinding. The micro transactions are for people who want to pay. But you do not need to pay. You can simply choose to not pay. And TC, Sonygaf will always down anything MS related.

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#43 Posted by coasterguy65 (7064 posts) -

@tormentos:

@tormentos said:

@casharmy said:

Translation:

Clyde46, "MS can do no wrong so leave them alone"

Ok Clyde I won't say anything else about the company you worship.

Yep he is actually a hypocrite look how he defend that crap from MS,but watch in on other thread when the argument is PC vs PS4 saying how great it to get mods and crap for free on PC as well as getting cheaper games..

Is the reason i call him out he is a lemming in a hermit disguise..hahaha

So since you're not a hypocrite I can expect to see you complain about GT6 doing the same thing right? Of course not. You calling someone a hypocrite is laughable.

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#44 Posted by Riverwolf007 (25494 posts) -

meh, about 4 years ago i bought a new tiger woods my buddys were playing and i paid the $5 to unlock everything since they had the game for months and had unlocked all the stuff and leveled up their golfers to 100% and i wanted to be competitive with them.

i was playing 4 or 5 other games at the time and simply did not want to have to concentrate on one thing to be able to keep up with them.

i'm not seeing a problem with giving people an option to trade money for time if they want to do it.

it was a huge timesaver for me when i needed to do it.

you take a feature and spin it as a negative because that is just what you do when you have no empathy and cannot put yourself in another persons shoes and see that there may be a reason someone needs to do something a different way than you would do it.

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#45 Edited by BeardMaster (1686 posts) -

While vehemently opposed to shenanigans such as these, i understand why they are being done. Launch titles with triple A budgets and virtually no install base are essentially guaranteed to lose money, they are probably hoping to at least recoup some of that cost and lose less money.

That said, I prefer people dont support these microtransactions, because I dont have faith microsoft will cease microtransactions once the install base is big enough to support the budgets if the model proves successful.

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#46 Posted by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@Riverwolf007 said:

meh, about 4 years ago i bought a new tiger woods my buddys were playing and i paid the $5 to unlock everything since they had the game for months and had unlocked all the stuff and leveled up their golfers to 100% and i wanted to be competitive with them.

i was playing 4 or 5 other games at the time and simply did not want to have to concentrate on one thing to be able to keep up with them.

i'm not seeing a problem with giving people an option to trade money for time if they want to do it.

it was a huge timesaver for me when i needed to do it.

you take a feature and spin it as a negative because that is just what you do when you have no empathy and cannot put yourself in another persons shoes and see that there may be a reason someone needs to do something a different way than you would do it.

My thoughts exactly. Most hardcore Forza fans will grind the hell out of the game anyway. If you don't want it, don't buy it. You;ll have to work hard in the game to get it, buy you can. This is a big load of non-issue. I bought all the DLC for Mass Effect because I loved the game. I didn't buy any for CoD cause I did not like the game. Its that simple.