Five years is enough for this generation

The hardware capabilities of the Xbox One and PS4 were embarrassing in 2013 and even more so in 2015.

Both companies took misguided direction from Nintendo's strategy and thought it'd be cute to cheap out with the hardware.

People spend more refreshing their phone hardware every year or so, why is this not acceptable for consoles?

This gen will be remembered for the poor hardware above all else, do you agree?

Lems giving up.

People who upgrade their phones once every two years - two years, mind you, not every year, like you said - buy the phones at lower, subsidized prices, instead of paying hundreds of dollars upfront, and then don't also pay hundreds of dollars on subscription fees and buying games per year- which, going by this generation, wouldn't even carry over to the next generation.

Do I want generations to be ten years long like the previous one very nearly was? Nope. Do I want them to be as short as five years, especially when it doesn't look like the game output for this generation has even hit its stride until next year, which is halfway into the projected five year span? Nope. The consoles we have are capable enough, and developers can deliver on all sorts of outstanding experiences with this hardware. Eventually, by maybe 2020, I am sure we will be in dire need of an upgrade- but by 2018? **** no.

@DressYouUp: it's not acceptable for consoles because on some level a phone is seen as a necessity. Nothing about gaming is a necessity, it's a luxury. And it wasn't just taking from Nintendo. It's the fact that corporations don't want to lose on every console anymore from the get go. No console will be cutting edge from launch anymore. It's not cost efficient. Sony wants this gen to be long so they can ride the PS4 and online fees for as long as possible financially speaking. MS wants it to last in order to make any positive money and recover in the eyes of the general consumer from their idiotic reveal and E3 2013.

Stop trying to hide the notion that consoles are weak. If the X1 sales were 28million, you lems would be singing a different tune. Lems only had a problem with hardware when their beloved started to fall back in the race against the PS4.

Throwing in the fucking towel!

They want to take their basketball and go home, because no one picked them.

I completely disagree, especially because of all the remasters we've been getting so far. If this gen only lasted 5 years I wouldn't feel like my purchase was justified.

Lems giving up?

Cows are delusional if they think the PS4's specs are remotely impressive.

Sales don't have anything to do with these consoles being weak. They ARE weak, especially if we go by previous generations. This is the 1st time consoles have launched being much weaker than most computers. These consoles can't even hit 1080/60 on a consistent basis. If that's not weak then I don't know what is.

I'm not saying this gen needs to end anytime soon. I'm just saying these consoles are weak and sales have nothing to do with it.

ITT: Lems praying for a $600 XBox Two.

Okay, whatever.

Geesh. Some of the best games take half that time to even be made. A five year generation would be a poor one indeed. No time to realize any potential. Don't get me wrong, gen 8 is a steaming pile of hot garbage outside of the Wii U.

Well the Wiiu is garbage this gen, PS4/X1 are great. Dont give up so soon.

You have that backwards.

@kingtito: The consoles were being outclassed by mid-range PCs in 2013, goes to show how cheaply put together they are.

The CPUs in particular are embarrassing.

both consoles are weak af

So, let me get this straight.

You were told from the very beginning that "We did not target graphics"

then, some of ya'll turned around and got downright salty as hell any time the resolution wars came up

Then, it turned into a hate-fest for PS4 fans because then you told the world that graphics is literally all they cared about because you had a CPU advantage and 3-5fps higher in a few games despite shite resolutions.

AND NOW, you think Gen8 should be shorter because you put money on the wrong horse and want to say everything is terrible.. BECAUSE OF GRAPHICS?

The sheer cuntiness of this thread and the chorus of Lems joining in this charade is >9,000

@charizard1605 man you weren't kidding about all 4 having doosies. And then everyone gets lumped in with them. Another day in SW I suppose.

Nintendo releasing an NX in 2016 will accelerate the release of next MS and Sony consoles. Also, it'll be a 4 year generation for them.

I'm quite happy atm so meh.

Nope, I'm buried in PS4.X games, My WiiU is dusty.

Five years is enough for this generation

Dude, these aren´t the arcade games from the 80´s and 90´s that could be made in a matter of days, nowdays a game takes months to be created, with a 5 year span no studio is going to invest in making games when, by the day they are released, would be obsolete.

lol multiplats

lol no 3rd party

Different standards.

In 2005 a 7800 was $550 and was basically the strongest card and the X1800 on 2012 a strongest card was $1,000,laws changed demanding more energy efficient devices.

It would not have matter much by 2006 the xbox 360 was already top.

Not really, the Xbox 360 released with a triple-core processor which was fairly advanced for 2005.

None of that hardware innovation this gen, just a weak-as-piss laptop CPU which struggles to play Assassin's Creed.

It's tough to argue for a new generation when there aren't any innovations as of yet in the present one.

In 2011 Xbox 360 had it's biggest selling year yet when multiplats like Battlefield 3, Crysis 2, Batman Arkham City were releasing. If you remember, the difference between the PC and Console version was hilarious at that point, way beyond any multiplat discrepancy on PS4 to PC as of yet (albeit that was 6 years into the 360's lifecycle).

At the moment the biggest multiplat differences we've seen so far can only be properly noticed when Digital Foundry zoom into a small block of the screen. Last gen, videos didn't need to zoom in 500% to Battlefield 3 to see that the PC version was in another visual leauge. It was right there in your face. But despite what SW thinks, no one boycotted the PS3 and 360, instead they bought more of them than they ever bought before.

In this gen, despite all the weak hardware talk, we have multiplats like Batman that are one of the best looking games on the market today, and look better on consoles. Obviously the PC version could have easily looked better if done right, but that's not the point, the point is that these consoles are still very capable of impressing the consumer on a visual level even in 2015.

In 2016, Quantum Break, Uncharted 4, Horizon release exclusively to consoles. Those games will impress even the most experienced gamers graphically. Despite the fact that these consoles were already '2 years out of date on release'. Nobody is going to stop buying these consoles because of how much better the PC version looks.

In essence, the hardware argument for a shorter gen is dumb. Game development cycles are too long now, and graphics only matter on the surface.

In theory 2016 is going to be the first good year for these consoles, that's year 3 for those boxes. So no this gen needs to be a longer gen, bringing in a new set of machines brings us back to another drought.

These type of things are why I'm constantly reminded that some gamers are just........... Ugh let me not say what I wanna because things can get real ugly here with the quickness...

Anyway why are people so hung up on specs so much?? People act as if 1080p/ 60fps or 4K or whatever bullshit resolution comes after that is some type of mumbo jumbo thing that will magically allow great games to be made...

I mean just the thought process of some of you gamers is just far beyond the state of reality I fear for the human race.

People act as if a game like Devil's Third for instance will be a great game if it was 1080p/ 60fps...... No it'll still be a shit game!

Even if these consoles can do 1080p/ 60 people will still find shit to complain about and want more power. Even these consoles could do 2k or 4K people will still find shit to complain about..... It's just how some of you people are. Complain about shit when you're not the one making it. Why don't some of you go try to make a game and make it the way you would like to play it..... But then again even after that you'd still probably complain about your own shit!

A lot of you PC people kill me, you all make it out like Xbox One and PS4 are weaker than the 360 and PS3. So dramatic.

The lems just want this Gen to end fast because it's embarrassing how they got owned before Gen even started lol.

i think this gen may actually stretch out longer than I initally thought simply due to the cost of development.

the more powerful the hardware, the more it costs to make it sing. i think the slow start of this gen is a symptom of this problem and if new consoles release too soon its only going to get worse.

the biggest bottleneck in the industry now is money, not hardware. if you think the nickle and diming is bad now you haven't seen anything yet.

as i mentioned in another thread...i think it would be better for nintendo to get a new console out that is up to speed (though the effect would probably be negligable for 3rd parties) and for sony and MS to stay where they are for another 3-4 years at least. a new console gen is always painful and this transiton has been particularly nasty.

Pretty much. Think we're seeing the effects of being dead last from lems at this point. You could also include the Wii U in that but with their NX right around it sorta nullifies it.

OP is a huge lem and anti-sony poster as well which makes this topic even more hilarious.

iunno maybe b/c ppl tend to use their phone everyday?

MS is gonna want to keep the gen short, Sony long. Interesting dynamic. Next year Pascal will release. Perhaps this gen will be shorter than the last.

performance ratio wise compared to 2005 yes they are.

Four is. 8th gen isn't even a proper 1 gen jump as usual.

And the X1 struggling even more in different multiplats

lol 900p

Thread is proof that sales matter. No way in hell OP would have posted this if XBOX was manhandled NPD like it usually does during the holidays.

Yes. This gen is truly pathetic for the XB1 and PS4 hardware wise. I guess if you're into cartoon girls that look and act like 10 year olds this is a great time.

the graphical disparity of consoles vs PC should NOT be the deciding factor in the length of a gen.

The PS4 and XBone have only just began to get a passable amount of notable software. It was a pathetic gen before that, and anyone who cared about actual games would have to give the nod to the WiiU up to that point. So let the PS4 and XBone get a full gen of software, and the starting point is basically autumn of 2015.

Yes it was top quite easy by 2006 GPU like the 7900,1900XT and latter the 8800 series.

In fact back then most games were GPU bound not CPU bound,you could play Oblivion on PC on 1600x900 while the 360 version wasn't even full 720p.

The PS4 can't even run most games at 60fps. lol

The PS4 and the XB1 can keep going till at least 2018/19. This gen may not be as memorable as the last two or three gens, but I'm fine with a stop-gap gen as long as it keeps giving us good games the way this year has and next year will.

@04dcarraher: I'm not denying that.

New hardware isn't going to change that.

Like Star Wars, Battlefield and Assassin's Creed on the PS4. Bye.