Final Fantasy X Port - Waste of time / resources!

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#1 Edited by dobzilian (2490 posts) -

Zelda WW took 6 months to port while FFX which is a port also has been in development since before the Vita was announced if I remember correctly or at the least since the release of the vita. Square should drop FFX like a bad penny and instead put money into a new IP or at the least into a game which holds well in the Gameplay department which FFX lacked back all those years ago let alone to the standards of todays average / awesome RPGs like Twewy, Monster hunter, demon souls, pokemon, fire emblem, xenoblade, Knights jn the nightmare.

Nintendo gets abuse, capcom gets abuse but SE gets a free pass when it comes to ports, why is this? Ports a port in the end and I dont think the Vita is that desperate for average Games to be ported onto it let alone a game which is like 2 gens old and was never that good all that to begin with.

I know people who have little to no taste and a Vita will be loving the idea of a port while people whom are on the fence will look upon it and say "pass" for several reasons of port, meh game is a meh game in HD, played on a PS2.

#2 Edited by GreySeal9 (24055 posts) -

The FFX remaster is coming out in March, so I can't say that I give many fucks about how long it look to come out.

Also, FFX had a great battle system. It was fluid, elegant, and had a little bit of strategicness. It really could have done with more challenge, but then again, that's true of most FF games.

#3 Edited by lundy86_4 (42979 posts) -

Why would they drop it? They have numerous titles in the works, such as:

  1. FFXV
  2. FFXIV:ARR (patch 2.1 just released)
  3. Bravely Default
  4. Bravely Second

Plus more.

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Also, it wasn't all that good?

#5 Edited by xWoW_Rougex (2755 posts) -

Nintendo gets abuse, capcom gets abuse but SE gets a free pass when it comes to ports, why is this?

Huh?

#6 Posted by bbkkristian (14942 posts) -

I don't mind waiting long for Square Enix games if it means we wont be getting sh** like Final Fantasy All the Bravest (and other mobile crap).

#7 Edited by foxhound_fox (87640 posts) -

You know there is like a handful of people working on it, right? Ports of old games are generally handled by very small teams.

#8 Posted by dobzilian (2490 posts) -

@foxhound_fox: Yup I know this, that small team would be put to better use working on a new title altogether rather than retreading over a game which wasnt that good to begin with. Its been development for ages and is little more than a cash in for a quick buck rather than working on something new and putting effort in. Why not a real remake of games like tobal, parasite eve, ergheiz or the endless games which where quality ? Simple as "FFname sells whether its bad or not" just like CoD sells or main series Resi.

#9 Posted by foxhound_fox (87640 posts) -

@foxhound_fox: Yup I know this, that small team would be put to better use working on a new title altogether rather than retreading over a game which wasnt that good to begin with. Its been development for ages and is little more than a cash in for a quick buck rather than working on something new and putting effort in. Why not a real remake of games like tobal, parasite eve, ergheiz or the endless games which where quality ? Simple as "FFname sells whether its bad or not" just like CoD sells or main series Resi.

How do you expect a company to make money? By devoting every last resource to an incredibly risky new idea that could bomb and bankrupt the entire company, or by devoting a smaller amount of resources to bring out a sure success that will generate a high level of revenue?

It really does amaze me how so many people, especially on the internet, don't understand the basic concept of why these video game developers/publishers exist... to make money. It's as if they'd rather see a company go out of business making something they REALLY REALLY WANT, than stay in business by releasing a few, low-effort sure things and working more slowly on new, unproven ideas.

#10 Posted by lamprey263 (23125 posts) -

kind of funny if you think about it, the Crystal Tools engine was designed by Square Enix to speed up game development, if anything it's just caused a series of delays

#11 Edited by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

No way! FFX ranks high on my favorite FF titles, I can't wait to replay these in HD. Plus if this leads to a FFX-3 than take my money.

#12 Edited by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

I agree. Screw the FFX HD remake. I have 0 interest in it. FFX sucked and slapping a new paint job on it isn't going to change that. They should focus on a new IP instead.

#13 Edited by ryangcnx-2 (1208 posts) -

@dobzilian: This is your opinion that FFX wasn't very good. It's my favorite Final Fantasy and can't wait for the HD release. In my opinion FFX is better than all the games you listed, especially Monster Hunter, I never for once got the appeal of that series which personally I hate the slow and clunky battle system. Same with all the games you listed except for pokemon have inferior action battle systems to me. Give me classic turn based :)

But yes, Square for some reason takes way longer to develop a game than most devs but they by should no means drop it.

#14 Edited by dobzilian (2490 posts) -

@ryangcnx-2: Good for you! Now i take it you never played G-Rank on Monster Hunter as you called it slow and Clunky which is wrong and never tried S&S or Dual Swords? Of cause not. Monster doesnt have a plot or should i say doesnt have a plot in comparison to the disjointed one in FFX's but its battle system is at least strategic, Not broken like FFX's, Not Slow like FFX's!

@AmazonTreeBoa:Amen Dude. A good game is a good game what ever definition its in and Sphere System was worse and more broken than the junction system in 8 and more tedious than the Materia System in 7 and not even comparable to the greatness of Tactics Job System. Characters where beyond boring and the only stand out character out one was Auron!

@foxhound_fox: No but i expect interesting new games which SE only really release on Handhelds (normally) and not games which are just SE saying "Yo, Lets just throw'em a Bone and give'em X" rather than saying "hey you remember XY IP, Lets see what we can do with that" or "hey why not try something new and fun" No i totally get how a company works but good try in attempting to make it personal rather than sticking to the point in question which is hilarious, What i was getting at is its a waste of time and resources.

#15 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24881 posts) -

You would have a point if Kingdom Hearts Remaster was still in "development".

Honestly I think they're hyping up the "No one really asked for" Final Fantasy X-3.

#16 Posted by Crossel777 (5593 posts) -

They are making a new game... It's called FFXV, only it's taking ridiculously long to make and I'm somewhat doubting it's going to be worth the wait.

#17 Edited by dobzilian (2490 posts) -

@Crossel777: 2 Gens isnt that long as 15 started as a Spin Off if i remember correctly lol.

#18 Posted by LegatoSkyheart (24881 posts) -

They are making a new game... It's called FFXV, only it's taking ridiculously long to make and I'm somewhat doubting it's going to be worth the wait.

Pretty sure the FFXV crowd and the FFX+X2 Crowd are 2 different teams.

#19 Posted by Zassimick (6342 posts) -

My hope is that the release of Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD brings the Final Fantasy XII HD release for Vita. I would love to have that game on the go. :)

#20 Edited by Crossel777 (5593 posts) -

I doubt the resources and budget put into remastering an old PS2 game is on the same scale as making an entirely new game any way. I don't see a problem with this. People clearly want HD remasters of these games and I hope they HD remaster FFXII also. If anythings to blame about square-enix's lack of unique IPs, I'd probably point the finger at games like FFXV and KH3 that take like a decade or so to make. Saying that, they have made Bravely Default and that's a pretty fun game. But they have like a bazillion other franchises under their belt that they could be experimenting with and they don't do jack shit with them.

#21 Posted by MassiveKaos (3875 posts) -

I agree back in the day squaresoft was churning out a new ff game every year and they where all good but now this time around square Enix wastes an entire generation on one ff game which

Is considered the worst in a series. (Their abysmal mmos count a wasting time too)

#22 Edited by Slashkice (13048 posts) -

No way! FFX ranks high on my favorite FF titles, I can't wait to replay these in HD. Plus if this leads to a FFX-3 than take my money.

You should hold onto your money. The story material leading into X-3 is incredibly stupid. :(

#23 Posted by Ballroompirate (22555 posts) -

I agree. Screw the FFX HD remake. I have 0 interest in it. FFX sucked and slapping a new paint job on it isn't going to change that. They should focus on a new IP instead.

QFT

You can slap a new coat of paint on FFX but you know what, it still has Tidus the worst FRAKING CHARACTER EVER CREATED.

#24 Posted by Joedgabe (5110 posts) -

Considering that FFX hasn't shown up for over a decade there's bound to be people willing to buy the game now that have never played it.

#25 Edited by Jag85 (4366 posts) -

Zelda WW took 6 months to port while FFX which is a port also has been in development since before the Vita was announced if I remember correctly or at the least since the release of the vita. Square should drop FFX like a bad penny and instead put money into a new IP or at the least into a game which holds well in the Gameplay department which FFX lacked back all those years ago let alone to the standards of todays average / awesome RPGs like Twewy, Monster hunter, demon souls, pokemon, fire emblem, xenoblade, Knights jn the nightmare.

Nintendo gets abuse, capcom gets abuse but SE gets a free pass when it comes to ports, why is this? Ports a port in the end and I dont think the Vita is that desperate for average Games to be ported onto it let alone a game which is like 2 gens old and was never that good all that to begin with.

I know people who have little to no taste and a Vita will be loving the idea of a port while people whom are on the fence will look upon it and say "pass" for several reasons of port, meh game is a meh game in HD, played on a PS2.

I think you may be suffering from Seinfeld syndrome... because back in those days, FFX's gameplay, especially its combat system, was regarded as some of the best in the series. While there were some complaints about its story and lack of an overworld (from myself included), its purely turn-based combat system received unanimous praise at the time. I myself remember clocking in well over 150 hours on my first playthrough, because of how good the gameplay was.

And for the record, Square Enix probably get more abuse than both Nintendo and Capcom, so I have no idea where you're getting this idea about them getting a free pass.

#26 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38214 posts) -

@foxhound_fox: Yup I know this, that small team would be put to better use working on a new title altogether rather than retreading over a game which wasnt that good to begin with. Its been development for ages and is little more than a cash in for a quick buck rather than working on something new and putting effort in. Why not a real remake of games like tobal, parasite eve, ergheiz or the endless games which where quality ? Simple as "FFname sells whether its bad or not" just like CoD sells or main series Resi.

FFX was great, what you smokin?

Also putting the small team on something new is a big risk and could lose them monet and Square aren't in the best position to lose money right now

Not only that but I'm glad they're remastering some FF games like FFVII and VIII on PC and now this. I can play them again with the ugly wiped off them. Now all we need is FFIX HD and we're set

#27 Edited by Bigboi500 (29310 posts) -

Disagree. FFX is a wonderful game and remastering it is a great thing.

#28 Posted by crimsonman1245 (4253 posts) -

You realize they have like 2 people working on their HD collections right? They probably had 800-1000 people working on ARR.

#29 Edited by Articuno76 (18732 posts) -

@dobzilian: It's already been released in Japan at this point. It's past the point where they can 'drop' the project...

For those interested in reading my impressions.

#30 Edited by anab0lic (271 posts) -

FFX was ok, better than the crap they are releasing these days...but not on the level of the FF games that came before it. Would have rather they did a hd remake of Dragon quest VIII for vita... now that would have been awesome.

#31 Posted by Animal-Mother (26542 posts) -

@dobzilian said:

@foxhound_fox: Yup I know this, that small team would be put to better use working on a new title altogether rather than retreading over a game which wasnt that good to begin with. Its been development for ages and is little more than a cash in for a quick buck rather than working on something new and putting effort in. Why not a real remake of games like tobal, parasite eve, ergheiz or the endless games which where quality ? Simple as "FFname sells whether its bad or not" just like CoD sells or main series Resi.

FFX was great, what you smokin?

Also putting the small team on something new is a big risk and could lose them monet and Square aren't in the best position to lose money right now

Not only that but I'm glad they're remastering some FF games like FFVII and VIII on PC and now this. I can play them again with the ugly wiped off them. Now all we need is FFIX HD and we're set

It was smart to do those PC remasters. Though sony should just fucking fund sqaure already and get them to remake FF7 for Ps4. Imagine all dat nostalgia money walkin through the door.

#32 Edited by razgriz_101 (16871 posts) -

i'd say its a better use of resources than another FFXIII arc game if im brutally honest i personally cant wait for it to come out.

#33 Edited by foxhound_fox (87640 posts) -

It was smart to do those PC remasters. Though sony should just fucking fund sqaure already and get them to remake FF7 for Ps4. Imagine all dat nostalgia money walkin through the door.

Nintendo should fund it and make cows really unhappy.

#34 Posted by blamix99 (1677 posts) -

Can't wait to get on my Vita

#35 Edited by Animal-Mother (26542 posts) -

@Animal-Mother said:

It was smart to do those PC remasters. Though sony should just fucking fund sqaure already and get them to remake FF7 for Ps4. Imagine all dat nostalgia money walkin through the door.

Nintendo should fund it and make cows really unhappy.

Who cares I just want the damn game.I said sony because of the tech demo but whoever the hell makes it will make me happy.

#36 Posted by charizard1605 (55985 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@dobzilian said:

@foxhound_fox: Yup I know this, that small team would be put to better use working on a new title altogether rather than retreading over a game which wasnt that good to begin with. Its been development for ages and is little more than a cash in for a quick buck rather than working on something new and putting effort in. Why not a real remake of games like tobal, parasite eve, ergheiz or the endless games which where quality ? Simple as "FFname sells whether its bad or not" just like CoD sells or main series Resi.

FFX was great, what you smokin?

Also putting the small team on something new is a big risk and could lose them monet and Square aren't in the best position to lose money right now

Not only that but I'm glad they're remastering some FF games like FFVII and VIII on PC and now this. I can play them again with the ugly wiped off them. Now all we need is FFIX HD and we're set

It was smart to do those PC remasters. Though sony should just fucking fund sqaure already and get them to remake FF7 for Ps4. Imagine all dat nostalgia money walkin through the door.

Wouldn't work, the game would have to be re-developed from the ground up since there are no assets from the original project that can be salvaged and used on a potential HD remaster (which is pretty much the case with all PS1 and N64 games).

Remaking Final Fantasy VII in HD would essentially amount to the same time, money, and resources expended as an all new Final Fantasy game, and I don't think Square would want to allocate its funds and resources like that.

@Animal-Mother said:

It was smart to do those PC remasters. Though sony should just fucking fund sqaure already and get them to remake FF7 for Ps4. Imagine all dat nostalgia money walkin through the door.

Nintendo should fund it and make cows really unhappy.

Also would not work, Sony literally owns about 10% of the code (and IP) of Final Fantasy VII.

#37 Edited by -RPGamer- (34283 posts) -

@Slashkice: so'k I would rather see what they can do, even if the lead up is not good.

#38 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38214 posts) -

Remaking Final Fantasy VII in HD would essentially amount to the same time, money, and resources expended as an all new Final Fantasy game, and I don't think Square would want to allocate its funds and resources like that.

And wasting so much time and resources on FF15 is the right way to go?

If they just sucked it up and started making the FF VII remake a while back it would be done by now or close to it and that's guaranteed cash money, this is fact. People would be all over that. Where as 15 could be a giant failure and is way more risky

Square can't afford risks right now, don't don't want to allocate money to it because they haven't a bloody clue how to handle money

#39 Posted by charizard1605 (55985 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

Remaking Final Fantasy VII in HD would essentially amount to the same time, money, and resources expended as an all new Final Fantasy game, and I don't think Square would want to allocate its funds and resources like that.

And wasting so much time and resources on FF15 is the right way to go?

If they just sucked it up and started making the FF VII remake a while back it would be done by now or close to it and that's guaranteed cash money, this is fact. People would be all over that. Where as 15 could be a giant failure and is way more risky

Square can't afford risks right now, don't don't want to allocate money to it because they haven't a bloody clue how to handle money

I'm not saying it's a good or bad decision. I'm just saying it's a decision Square won't make, and giving the reasons as to why they won't make it. You and I can disagree with the reasoning and the decision, but that really won't change Square's mind, and it's a company that's woefully out of touch with its fanbase anyway.

#40 Posted by PyratRum (561 posts) -

It's a waste of time and resources because FFX sucks ass. One of the worst Final Fantasy games up there with fucking Mystic Quest.

Final Fantasy XII Internal Zodiac Job System HD, now that would be time and resources well spent.

#41 Edited by Gue1 (9498 posts) -

TC you don't know what you're talking about. The moment you mentioned Monster Hunter and Pokemon as examples of "good"JRPG's you lost all credibility.

#42 Posted by Seabas989 (10103 posts) -

Meh at FFX but well at least the battle system was great. As others have said I'd prefer a FFXII International Zodiac Job HD.

The FFVII remake will never happen because SE are trolls.

#43 Edited by seanmcloughlin (38214 posts) -

a company that's woefully out of touch with its fanbase anyway.

Great way to sum them up as of late.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go under this gen or just go all publishing (which that side of them is really good)

#44 Edited by charizard1605 (55985 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

a company that's woefully out of touch with its fanbase anyway.

Great way to sum them up as of late.

I wouldn't be surprised if they go under this gen or just go all publishing (which that side of them is really good)

I fully expect them to go all mobile. Which would be very sad, but ultimately a grave they dug for themselves.

#45 Posted by fend_oblivion (6113 posts) -

No way! FFX ranks high on my favorite FF titles, I can't wait to replay these in HD. Plus if this leads to a FFX-3 than take my money.

I read a translated version of the 30 minute drama... if X-2 was was the violation of X, then X-3 is going to be violation-with-friends. I hope what I read was some troll post...

Why they make sequels for games that ended just fine (X) and games that do not need them (XIII), I do not know.

#46 Posted by fend_oblivion (6113 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:

I agree. Screw the FFX HD remake. I have 0 interest in it. FFX sucked and slapping a new paint job on it isn't going to change that. They should focus on a new IP instead.

QFT

You can slap a new coat of paint on FFX but you know what, it still has Tidus the worst FRAKING CHARACTER EVER CREATED.

Better candidates for that title are Lightning, Serah, Vaan etc.

And yeah, focus on new IPs. They have too many projects on their hand that are mostly remakes/rehashes.

#47 Posted by Netret0120 (2028 posts) -

You do realise that less than 10 people are working on this project?

FFX is one of the best FF games

#48 Posted by Newhopes (4507 posts) -

@pyratrum said:

It's a waste of time and resources because FFX sucks ass. One of the worst Final Fantasy games up there with fucking Mystic Quest.

Final Fantasy XII Internal Zodiac Job System HD, now that would be time and resources well spent.

Fantasy XII is by far the worst FF made....

#49 Posted by DefconRave (550 posts) -

Disagree. FFX combat was fast paced and fun, biggest flaw was it was too easy. They even indicate the enemy weakness for you in the hud iirc.

Plotwise it was the last FF with a decent story. Tidus was an annoying b*tch but the world was interesting and the plot was cohesive and well thought out.

I loved the combat in FFXII and its open world nature but hated the story which fell apart half way and the boring characters (apart from Balthier/Fran)

You want to talk about FF they should drop is XIII, but its the most milked FF yet.

I do hope they remaster FFIX, now that was imo one of the best jrpgs.

#50 Posted by bulby_g (1049 posts) -

Looking forward to it personally. Great game and I'd prefer a HD version to replay from time to time.