Feminist Samantha Allen Attacks Giant Bomb

#1 Edited by Gue1 (9491 posts) -

Giant Bomb hired 2 new white guys and now some feminists I never heard off are up in arms saying that game journalism is all white males and that there's no opportunity for women or minorities.

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Allen to Giant Bomb: For my part, I'm through believing in "good guys." You're maintaining a homogeneous games criticism that's as boring as it is exclusionary... I'm done listening to promises of "next time" or waiting around for really talented minority writers to get little scraps.... The people in positions of privilege in this corner of the world have already decided how they want this thing to be. Game fucking over.

And then you know what happens next. Since we gamers are so mature, we been spamming the poor girl's twitter all day with death threats, insults and trolling.

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.And shit is still going non-stop.

https://twitter.com/CousinDangereux

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#2 Edited by lostrib (34236 posts) -

How can you argue with this logic!

#3 Posted by bbkkristian (14940 posts) -
#4 Posted by Sollet (7338 posts) -

@lostrib said:

How can you argue with this logic!

lulz

#5 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8203 posts) -

Oh yes we need to equal opportunity by ignoring qualifications and hiring based on race and sex. Gotta meet those diversity quotas.

#6 Posted by jg4xchamp (47276 posts) -

I get it. Like I get why someone would be disappointed that Giantbomb who has Patrick talking about equality and diversity, and then they fill open spots, with 30 year old white dudes. I get that. I get why someone would be disappointed by that. The problem is though they were aiming for an experienced individual which in this medium is unfortunately a bunch of white dudes. Like a 5-8 man full time website (the giantbomb staff is actually really small) getting this much flack when Eurogamer, IGN, or Polygon don't get this is ridiculous.

But the residents of Mt. Pious do their usual thing where they handle this type of stuff with no grace. But to be fair all the people on the sister mountain for Mt. Pious were just as terrible. I can understand wanting to defend the GB guys, but if you need to post hateful shit, be it racist, sexist, homophobic or what have you, what did you actually accomplish? Justify people like Anita Snarkwhateverhername is and the residents of Mt. Pious? come on.

I'm a little surprised by Leigh Alexander's tweet. Patrick has pimped out her shit a bunch of times, she's been on bomin with the AM, and she tweets that? A little tasteless on her part as well.

#7 Posted by darkspineslayer (19538 posts) -

Both sides, those harassing the woman and those who refuse to consider things like Lostrib posted, are idiotic.

#8 Posted by cfisher2833 (1570 posts) -

I have to agree with Chris Chicken--the last thing we need is another Kotaku. They're influence is already spreading to places like Gamespot and Polygon, and it's not amusing. It'd be one thing if they presented rational arguments, analyzing the situations and offering sound advice; instead, we're treated to reactionary garbage bitching about there being a female hostage (the horror!) or reactionary opinions based on false assumptions (the FC4 gay villain fiasco). It seems Ubisoft in particular has been getting a lot of shit from ignorant SJWs lately--game journalists pissed at Ubi for some reason? I am pissed at them as well, but my complaints stem from Splinter Cell being diluted into a TPS and the wholesale abandonment of Prince of Persia in favor of that horseshit AssCreed franchise.

And I do have to agree to some extent--cutting off your penis and taking some estrogen pills doesn't make you a man. Still shouldn't harass people over their mental issues though.

#9 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4117 posts) -

When the majority of gamers are white males, what do they expect? Everything about this is absolutely ridiculous.

#10 Edited by bbkkristian (14940 posts) -

Yeah, I should say that she doesn't deserve the harassment she got for declaring her position (no matter how dumb it is). Nobody deserves that.

#11 Posted by BldgIrsh (1578 posts) -

The harassing is really unwarranted. But, her negligence that maybe she isn't cut out for the job isn't greatly appreciated as well.

#12 Posted by _Matt_ (8863 posts) -

Maybe when more qualified and experienced female journalists apply for such jobs, then more females will be hired? It's not like GB actively chose a candidate just because they were male... sigh.

Though the hate she got was far too over the top, not nice at all, and very immature.

#13 Posted by harry_james_pot (10532 posts) -

@lostrib said:

How can you argue with this logic!

lol, wtf? :D

#14 Edited by Jacanuk (4194 posts) -

@Gue1: The sad thing here is there is no such thing as positive discrimination, discrimination no matter what is bad.

So since no one hopefully would question the integrity of the HR department and that they of course hired the most qualified person , i do not get this Sams critic because advocating hiring less qualified females just because they are female is grounds for legal action for unlawfull discrimination.

Also who is this Sam allen and why should anyone care what she has to say?

#15 Posted by lostrib (34236 posts) -

@lostrib said:

How can you argue with this logic!

lol, wtf? :D

unfortunately, that's how many SJWs act

#16 Posted by Pffrbt (6527 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

Giant Bomb hired 2 new white guys and now some feminists I never heard off

So why do you care. Why would anyone care about this.

#17 Posted by picklesurprise (177 posts) -

@_Matt_ said:

Maybe when more qualified and experienced female journalists apply for such jobs, then more females will be hired? It's not like GB actively chose a candidate just because they were male... sigh.

Though the hate she got was far too over the top, not nice at all, and very immature.

Well, when you act like a dickhead on such a public forum like Twitter, what do you expect?

Not like gamers are known for being the most respectful and mature audience.

#18 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (646 posts) -

@lostrib said:

How can you argue with this logic!

no wonder why people should never take these feminists serious.

#19 Posted by SolidTy (42403 posts) -

I heard about this and I still don't care.

Eh.

#20 Edited by Jacanuk (4194 posts) -

When the majority of gamers are white males, what do they expect? Everything about this is absolutely ridiculous.

If a majority of gamers were pink elephants with monkeys on their backs, it still wouldn´t change the fact that who ever got hired is the most qualified candidate. If someone disagrees, then hopefully someone who actually did apply will have a chat with a lawyer and look into filing a unlawful discrimination suit against CBS and Giantbomb.

But this whole debate is just ridiculous and i am at a loss why someone would actually consider discrimination ok.

#22 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (8355 posts) -

Kotaku "journalists" are not even gamers.

#23 Edited by AmazonAngry (945 posts) -

She deserves it

Mrs. Roosevelt is to blame for all this feminism.

#24 Posted by MBirdy88 (7640 posts) -

People are defending her against the criticism / attacks ... yet she brought it on herself here. Its borderline troll level to automatically assume that she wasn't hired because she wasn't a white male, such an assumption without any evidence is sexist it itself, and pretty dellusional....

To make matters worse, she posted in twitter, not only obviously going to rile up "white males" because they feel as if they are being prosecuted (which is always the case with these less rational feminists) but she also just slated a potential future employer.... and many other employers will probably look at this and think "do I even want to risk speaking to this person"? talk about professional suicide.

I tire of this kind of feminism.... after reading up about feminists successfully stopping the "male pill research" because "Woman should hold the rights to when they get pregnant man should not get a say." and "Men will lie to woman and say they take the pill but don't to get her pregnant" - well excuse me, don't some woman already do that?

Majority of modern feminists are not out for equality. they want power. fancy that ... I shouldn't have a say in when I have a child or not... how fair... how equal.

and don't get me started on Anita Sarkeesian... talk about "seeing what you want to see to make a point" geez....

#25 Edited by silversix_ (14042 posts) -

You know she doesn't get enough D's

#26 Edited by KungfuKitten (20833 posts) -

@MBirdy88 said:

People are defending her against the criticism / attacks ... yet she brought it on herself here. Its borderline troll level to automatically assume that she wasn't hired because she wasn't a white male, such an assumption without any evidence is sexist it itself, and pretty dellusional....

To make matters worse, she posted in twitter, not only obviously going to rile up "white males" because they feel as if they are being prosecuted (which is always the case with these less rational feminists) but she also just slated a potential future employer.... and many other employers will probably look at this and think "do I even want to risk speaking to this person"? talk about professional suicide.

I tire of this kind of feminism.... after reading up about feminists successfully stopping the "male pill research" because "Woman should hold the rights to when they get pregnant man should not get a say." and "Men will lie to woman and say they take the pill but don't to get her pregnant" - well excuse me, don't some woman already do that?

Majority of modern feminists are not out for equality. they want power. fancy that ... I shouldn't have a say in when I have a child or not... how fair... how equal.

and don't get me started on Anita Sarkeesian... talk about "seeing what you want to see to make a point" geez....

Feminists tend to be the worst sexists. They become hate groups and do not stand for gender equality but find sexism in all places that are not important, and divert people from the places where sexism is a very real problem. When I hear someone is a feminist it repels me. Even though there must be actual people out there who want the world to be fair to both sexes it's almost a given that the feminist won't be that person at all. It would be wise of honest 'feminists' to use a label that is more appropriate. Like equalists or gender neutralists or whatever.

This seems to be just another 'feminist' who is bitching about anything that doesn't matter. I hope she won't get much media attention but I guess this is how she set this up.

#27 Edited by santoron (7690 posts) -

This is getting completely out of hand, in all the worst ways, on both sides.

#28 Edited by Shewgenja (8440 posts) -

You guys really missed out. You should have seen her tumblr post where she came out and said she is a full blown misandryst. Thankfully, there's an app for that.

One does not simply walk into Mordor.

#29 Edited by syztem (7703 posts) -

They don't have a logical leg to stand on in criticizing GB's hires.

The larger systemic issue of a male dominated video game industry is fine, but throwing a temper tantrum over hiring clearly qualified applicants because they're white guys is ludicrous.

Naturally, for the most part, internets gonna internet in response rather than telling them why it's logically unsound--although let's be honest, "Go fuck yourself" doesn't necessarily indicate a whole lot of intellectual honesty going on there.

#30 Edited by Shewgenja (8440 posts) -

Samantha Allen isn't a feminist. She's Elliott Rodger with a cup size.

#31 Posted by jg4xchamp (47276 posts) -

@bldgirsh said:

The harassing is really unwarranted. But, her negligence that maybe she isn't cut out for the job isn't greatly appreciated as well.

She didn't even apply for the job.

#32 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8203 posts) -

@Shewgenja: wow that's insane rant. That's real? And from the same lady?

#33 Posted by Shewgenja (8440 posts) -

@Shewgenja: wow that's insane rant. That's real? And from the same lady?

It is, indeed that.

#34 Edited by Krelian-co (10356 posts) -

Oh yes we need to equal opportunity by ignoring qualifications and hiring based on race and sex. Gotta meet those diversity quotas.

Spot on what i think. But you know how feminists are, fuk logic.

#35 Edited by Shewgenja (8440 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@AutoPilotOn said:

Oh yes we need to equal opportunity by ignoring qualifications and hiring based on race and sex. Gotta meet those diversity quotas.

Spot on what i think. But you know how feminists are, fuk logic.

To play devil's advocate.. There are tangible benefits to diversity hiring practices. In areas such as industrial chemistry or hardware manufacturing, not so much, but in media there are tangible benefits. You can reach out to a larger demographic for one thing. You also tend to get more wide and varied viewpoints in debates which leads to out-of-the-box results and fresher content.

Believe it or not, diversity leads to a better end product in most cases. The results speak for themselves. If GiantBomb did find more worthwhile minorities in their ranks, they would be insulated from these kinds of crapstorms as well. It's food for thought. An idea worth entertaining that does have tried and tested benefits.

That being said.. The Samantha Allens of the world harm the case more than they do good.

#36 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8203 posts) -

@Shewgenja: if she put that out there for the public to see couldn't that be reason enough why they would not hire her? And it be legal too?

#37 Edited by MBirdy88 (7640 posts) -

You guys really missed out. You should have seen her tumblr post where she came out and said she is a full blown misandryst. Thankfully, there's an app for that.

One does not simply walk into Mordor.

That.... was fantastic. I'm sure she needs to see a mental health specialist.. the level of paranoa and hate is just.... wut.

While I have no doubt that such problems exist... it certainly isnn't the rule of thumb. and I'm sorry but bringing up "judged for my body" as a big problem.... and then totally not understanding that men face similar expectations from woman is obsurd.

but you can't reason with someone like that. that paranoa...... without any evidence of her suffering too.

#38 Edited by trugs26 (5286 posts) -

Why are you posting threads about someone insignificant?

#39 Posted by Shewgenja (8440 posts) -

@Shewgenja: if she put that out there for the public to see couldn't that be reason enough why they would not hire her? And it be legal too?

My understanding is that she did not apply for the position. She just merely weighed in on the subject. Internet shitstorm ensued.

#40 Edited by syztem (7703 posts) -

They have a logical argument that seems to stem from the idea of negative responsibility--Giant Bomb isn't actively being racist or sexist by hiring white males, but the belief is that by doing so they are nonetheless perpetuating the inequality in the industry. The theory tries to separate intent from ethical responsibility, and suggest that even if they aren't trying to be awful white demons, they're still just as accountable.

The issue with this is that most people who invoke negative responsibility when it comes to gender or ethnic issues can be proven to be hypocrites. As soon as we strip away intent from ethical responsibility most of us become murderers; it labels me morally responsible for people who starve to death when I don't donate to charity. But when I post about a video game on Twitter, I don't receive a barrage of tweets telling me that I'm an asshole for unwittingly contributing to famine in another country. Why'd I buy that game instead of donate the money? No one seems to care about that.

#41 Posted by KungfuKitten (20833 posts) -

@syztem said:

They have a logical argument that seems to stem from the idea of negative responsibility--Giant Bomb isn't actively being racist or sexist by hiring white males, but the belief is that by doing so they are nonetheless perpetuating the inequality in the industry. The theory tries to separate intent from ethical responsibility, and suggest that even if they aren't trying to be awful white demons, they're still just as accountable.

The issue with this is that most people who invoke negative responsibility when it comes to gender or ethnic issues can be proven to be hypocrites. As soon as we strip away intent from ethical responsibility most of us become murderers; it labels me morally responsible for people who starve to death when I don't donate to charity. But when I post about a video game on Twitter, I don't receive a barrage of tweets telling me that I'm an asshole for unwittingly contributing to famine in another country. Why'd I buy that game instead of donate the money? No one seems to care about that.

Nice post!

#42 Edited by musalala (2134 posts) -

As a black guy I find all this diversity stuff hilarious, GB can hire whoever they want they owe nothing to no one.

#43 Edited by HitmanActual (325 posts) -

Bitch needs to chill...and get back in the kitchen and cook me some pie.

#44 Posted by Ghost120x (3737 posts) -

The internet became a lot worse with the exponential growth of social media. Ever since smart phones, the ease of access to social media makes it effortless to whip out your phone and post what ever dumb shit that comes out of your mind without thinking.

#45 Posted by fend_oblivion (6113 posts) -

This is just... sad.

Guy : What if he was the most qualified person available for the position?

Feminist : Go fuck yourself.

Seriously, what the hell?

#46 Posted by freedomfreak (39065 posts) -

Oh right. Another case of ethics over actually being qualified for the job.

Doesn't make it right for people to act like total jerks though, but judging from the tweets, she isn't exactly being princess charming either. Oh effin' well.

The internet loses its shit over a matter like this, once again.

#47 Posted by Gaming-Planet (13981 posts) -

We should fight for feminism in 3rd world countries, here in America it's fucking nitpicking joke.

#48 Posted by ninjaxams (7101 posts) -

This is just... sad.

Guy : What if he was the most qualified person available for the position?

Feminist : Go fuck yourself.

Seriously, what the hell?

thats your average liberal argument right there lol.

#49 Posted by yokofox33 (29347 posts) -

I find it hilarious that these feminists are attacking video game websites. I guess they can't argue or attack more legit issues or power sources. They have to resort to video games...

#50 Posted by fend_oblivion (6113 posts) -

I checked Samantha Allen's twitter account and found stuff related to Feminist Porn...

What in the actual fuck? o___0