EA's ridiculous forum moderation will ban you for someone else's swearing

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#1 RavenLoud
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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/05/ea-origin-bans-update-edition/

I'm building up quite the portfolio of affected gamers, who find after a forum violation they're unable to access their Origin games. And within this is a more disturbing trend – those who are finding that their forum bans are, without explanation, becoming permanent bans. Permanent bans from accessing their Origin accounts, their Battlelog accounts, and therefore downloading purchased games, and playing online. Something which obviously raises serious questions about consumer rights, which is of course another angle we're currently investigating.

The pattern tends to go like this:

Person says a naughty word on an EA forum.
Person receives 72 hour ban from forums, which blocks Origin too.
Person contacts EA customer support and is told "tough".
Person writes to RPS.

With the occasional addition of:

Person finds their ban has become permanent with no warning, and no option to appeal.

Of those people who contact us, we tend to get two types. The first who write invective-speckled fury on the forum, and then to us, and obviously entirely deserve their forum bans. The second are those who have done absolutely nothing wrong on the forums, but are punished erroneously, either for quoting an insult someone else has called them, or doing nothing offensive whatsoever. But neither group, according to EA's words to us in March, should be being banned from Origin or accessing their games. A statement, however, that EA doesn't appear willing to repeat nine months on.

So there's Rob, who was accused of posting a commercial to his support site – a site that EA links to itself in its own support site FAQ – who received a ban. And James, permanently banned (until his account mysteriously popped back to life recently, with no communication from anyone) for saying "e-peen". We've heard from Alex, who put a sweary joke on the forum, not directed at anyone, and found himself locked out of his games. Toma got in touch to say that after previous bans for what sound like entirely unacceptable forum posts, months later he has now found himself banned because of his Gravatar logo – a Reddit troll face. Buh? Pointing out that one of the main devs at EA uses the Me Gusta face got nowhere, and he has been told he'll learn of his account's fate in seven days, so certainly longer than the traditional 72 hour ban, potentially permanent.

Most exceptional perhaps is Aaron, who after receiving a 72 hour ban was told by EA support they couldn't help because "the game developers control this". Pardon? His crime? Someone else swearing on the forum, with his username in their post. Trying the live chat support instead, he was then informed that his account was permanently banned, and that "all property, items, and characters associated currently are or will soon be deleted." Followed by, "Is there anything else I can do for you?" Aaron tried again, pointing out that forum bans shouldn't affect games. And then came this incredible reply:

"Please be informed that your account not only suspended, But it is also Banned, So you will no longer to play the game in single player."

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.328868-EA-now-issuing-permanent-Origin-bans-through-content-filter?page=1

So, not only do they ban you from accessing the games you paid full price for if you break their forum rules, but sometimes it is completely unjustified. Someone swearing with your name in THEIR post is somehow your fault. And, if you contact EA for an explanation, you get a "tough luck", a sudden perma ban and lose the ability to ever play your games even in singleplayer.


Think about it. Imagine if someone posted "godamn it F*** you Ravenloud" on the steam forums and suddenly I won't be able to play Counter Strike, Team Forteress 2, Portal 2 or any valve games in my library, even if I bought them on disk!

Plus


Get auto-suspended from BF3 forums based on their content filter? Had that suspension result in your account deleted and characters terminated (according to Abdul in support)?

BONUS! The ban also will wipe out your access to Bad Company 2, even if you bought it through Steam like I did!

-From escapist link above


This is a utter insult in the face of consumers. It's "you're paying for a license" accompanied with a massive middle finger while dancing in front your face with a rickrolling trollface.jpg.


Why should anyone buy any of EA's games with their non existant customer support and disturbingly milked franchises anyway?

(Getting this post up was a complete struggle against HTML errors, apparently the escapist link just won't work no matter what due to some characters in it, GlitchSpot I am dissapoint :evil: )

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#2 JohnF111
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Ah i see, the forum can accept commands so "F**k you Aaron!" is actually a command and was carried out successfully.. What a clever system.

Oh and btw you ARE paying for a license, it has always been like this forever and ever.

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#3 MisterWWEfan
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Wow, that gotta suck! I understand cussing can be bad when its used in a way, in a way that could offend others (I hate them), but banning you to play their games? I'm sorry, but thats just wrong, and for the fact that you pay $60 for it, thats straight up wrong if you think about it. I could understand If its out of line, but still, they shouldn't ban you to play their games just because you cussed on a freaking forum, its just wrong. Then again, I barely cuss, so this doesn't effect me.
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#4 Nega3
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Absolutely disgusting.

Too bad my favourite series ever (Burnout) is published by those dumbasses.

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#5 Thefatness16
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So, not only do they ban you from accessing the games you paid full price for if you break their forum rules, but sometimes it is completely unjustified. Someone swearing with your name in THEIR post is somehow your fault. And, if you contact EA for an explanation, you get a "tough luck", a sudden perma ban and lose the ability to ever play your games even in singleplayer.


Think about it. Imagine if someone posted "godamn it F*** you Ravenloud" on the steam forums and suddenly I won't be able to play Counter Strike, Team Forteress 2, Portal 2 or any valve games in my library, even if I bought them on disk!

This is a utter insult in the face of consumers. It's "you're paying for a license" accompanied with a massive middle finger while dancing in front your face with a rickrolling trollface.jpg.


Why should anyone buy any of EA's games with their non existant customer support and disturbingly milked franchises anyway?

RavenLoud

That is absolutely f*cking ridiculous. Nobody should be locked out of their game for something that happened on a forum, especially if it was out of their control.

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#6 DerekLoffin
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This is the kind of BS that is a testament to how DD is far from being the wonderful thing many make it out to be.
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#7 Rocker6
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EA never made any sense with their idiocy,since I decided to boycott Origin due to spyware issues,if I approached the EA forums and posted anything,would probably get banned instantly :P

I hate EA a lot,explaining all my reasons would take for quite a long time,so we'll just do the basics:Buying great developers and slowly killing them with corporate crap,introduction of Online Passes,overpriced DLC,butchering of C&C franchise,Origin spyware,etc.

Also,off-topic,I love your sig,both the Ubisoft-pirates and that quote :)

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#8 Moriarity_
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I actually planned on trying origin out, after hearing about all this stuff though I don't care how rare it is that this happens. The simple fact that things like this happen is more than enough reason for me to avoid origin like the plague.
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#9 lowe0
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I don't think I'll be going back to EA's forums. The risk is just too great to justify participating in their community.
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The more sh*t that comes out about EA and their draconian practices, the more justified my boycott of their products becomes.
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#11 starjet905
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This is why I always keep two accounts on all sites that use such a system, such as Ubi forums, EA forums and Steam forums. One for the games, and one for forum posts. And I make sure that they never find out what my game account is.
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This is why I always keep two accounts on all sites that use such a system, such as Ubi forums, EA forums and Steam forums. One for the games, and one for forum posts. And I make sure that they never find out what my game account is.starjet905
Steam don't let you use your game-account with Forum account, so if you get banned on their forum you can still play your games.

Anyway BF3 is my last EA game. Btw do anyone know if you need EA account to post on SW-TOR forum? Will be fun to see how EA reacts when they ban alot of people that play SW-TOR...you know Forum+MMORPG= fun time :D.

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[QUOTE="starjet905"]This is why I always keep two accounts on all sites that use such a system, such as Ubi forums, EA forums and Steam forums. One for the games, and one for forum posts. And I make sure that they never find out what my game account is.DarkblueNinja

Steam don't let you use your game-account with Forum account, so if you get banned on their forum you can still play your games.

Anyway BF3 is my last EA game. Btw do anyone know if you need EA account to post on SW-TOR forum? Will be fun to see how EA reacts when they ban alot of people that play SW-TOR...you know Forum+MMORPG= fun time :D.

Oh, yeah, they don't. But just to be on the safe side, I have two different names. :D Well, I doubt EA would be quick to ban there. No more subscription fees if they do. :P
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protip: don't use the EA forums.
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This is the kind of BS that is a testament to how DD is far from being the wonderful thing many make it out to be.DerekLoffin
your physical retail copies are also banned :/
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I have been banned as of November 26th due to a TOS violation. They didn't like my avatar. It was the old cartoon character Captain Caveman. I got an email from one person telling me that my account should of never been banned...then a few days later...my account was permanently banned. Now all of my games linked to my E-mail address and blocked even the ones bought and ran through Steam. This is not just an Origins ban!!! I've sent tons of e-mails and little response. I'm getting ready to call a lawyer......I have over 10 EA games which are now unplayable.....BECAUSE OF A CARTOON PICTURE!!!!!
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#17 DarthJohnova
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And I thought our forums were strict.

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[QUOTE="starjet905"]This is why I always keep two accounts on all sites that use such a system, such as Ubi forums, EA forums and Steam forums. One for the games, and one for forum posts. And I make sure that they never find out what my game account is.DarkblueNinja

Steam don't let you use your game-account with Forum account, so if you get banned on their forum you can still play your games.

Anyway BF3 is my last EA game. Btw do anyone know if you need EA account to post on SW-TOR forum? Will be fun to see how EA reacts when they ban alot of people that play SW-TOR...you know Forum+MMORPG= fun time :D.

your SWTOR.com account is your EA account
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#19 Rikusaki
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Wow. EA sucks.

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#20 Jolt_counter119
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I guess EA didn't like the fact Activision was taking all the hate away from them. Looks like they want it back, they've been on a tear lately.

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protip: don't use the EA forums.BrunoBRS
even if this wasnt happening, id still avoid them...probably a cesspool of scum and villainy
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#22 Mystery_Writer
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It doesn't affect EA. Their consumers are mostly kids. And they often can't help it and don't have much self control to boycott a gaming company no matter how abusive that company might be to their consumer rights.

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#23 DarkLink77
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You'd think people would have realized not to post on EA's forums by now, but I guess not.

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#24 DrTrafalgarLaw
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You'd think people would have realized not to buy EA's games by now, but I guess not.

DarkLink77

This would be better. (yehyeh I know editing quotes is offensive)

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#25 DarkLink77
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[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

You'd think people would have realized not to buy EA's games by now, but I guess not.

DrTrafalgarLaw

This would be better. (yehyeh I know editing quotes is offensive)

It's cool, I was just thinking that myself. :lol: Garbage publisher.
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#26 Spartan070
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This is the final straw for me...wow.
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#27 ronvalencia
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@ RavenLoud Go see a lawyer.
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#28 ronvalencia
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Ah i see, the forum can accept commands so "F**k you Aaron!" is actually a command and was carried out successfully.. What a clever system.

Oh and btw you ARE paying for a license, it has always been like this forever and ever.

JohnF111

Depending on the jurisdiction, consumer laws can still cover the paid licensing situation i.e. does it "fit for the purpose" test.

Demand for a refund if it fails the "fit for the purpose" test.

PS; I bought my BF3 PC as a retail box in Oz.

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#29 nurnberg
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I can't believe this is true. This is clearly abuse of powers.

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#30 Vesica_Prime
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EA is now worse than Activision and Capcom put together.

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#31 deactivated-5c79c3cfce222
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Wonder how EA would respond to a significant amount of users spamming their boards with protests?

EA never made any sense with their idiocy,since I decided to boycott Origin due to spyware issues,if I approached the EA forums and posted anything,would probably get banned instantly :P

I hate EA a lot,explaining all my reasons would take for quite a long time,so we'll just do the basics:Buying great developers and slowly killing them with corporate crap,introduction of Online Passes,overpriced DLC,butchering of C&C franchise,Origin spyware,etc.

Also,off-topic,I love your sig,both the Ubisoft-pirates and that quote :)

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Them suffocating development studios is kind of water under the bridge. EA has reformed and moved past that, now they're more into strangling their customers.
This is why I always keep two accounts on all sites that use such a system, such as Ubi forums, EA forums and Steam forums. One for the games, and one for forum posts. And I make sure that they never find out what my game account is.starjet905

Ideally you'd have one account for every game you buy too.

I have been banned as of November 26th due to a TOS violation. They didn't like my avatar. It was the old cartoon character Captain Caveman. I got an email from one person telling me that my account should of never been banned...then a few days later...my account was permanently banned. Now all of my games linked to my E-mail address and blocked even the ones bought and ran through Steam. This is not just an Origins ban!!! I've sent tons of e-mails and little response. I'm getting ready to call a lawyer......I have over 10 EA games which are now unplayable.....BECAUSE OF A CARTOON PICTURE!!!!! captaincavey
You should do that. Seems to be the only thing EA responds to. Although I'm not sure if you can file a clas action lawsuit against EA since you agreed to their ToS. I should say I know extremely little about the US legal system.

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I actually planned on trying origin out, after hearing about all this stuff though I don't care how rare it is that this happens. The simple fact that things like this happen is more than enough reason for me to avoid origin like the plague.Moriarity_

For BF3 at least, it's not something you can choose to use or not use. Even if you buy a physical copy at a retailer, and even if all you want to do is play single player. You MUST use Origin to play the game at all. In fact, you need to wait for Origin to launch, then Origin launches your internet browser, and only then are you allowed to launch the game. Seriously. And I can only guess they'll start giving all their games this treatment.

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Never had to download a large amount of data trough Origin before as the only Origin game I have is the retail version of Battlefield 3. Tyring to download the 3.9GB Battlefield 3 update through it and not impressed at all. First of all the speed of 240kb/s is not impressive at all. Further more, according to modems measurements of network traffic this is been over inflated by 30%. Got the download to about 25% when and I paused it. 30 minutes later I attempted to resume it and it reset to 5% and now I'm only getting 70kb/s. Origin Uninstalled.
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Wow, I thought that part of of Terms of Use was just theoretical. I didn't realize EA was terrible enough to have actually banned people from gaming, innocent people no less.

Jeez, finally they start to make good games this gen and get Capcom and Activision more hated then them, then they do so many boneheaded moves it boggles the mind.

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Never had to download a large amount of data trough Origin before as the only Origin game I have is the retail version of Battlefield 3. Tyring to download the 3.9GB Battlefield 3 update through it and not impressed at all. First of all the speed of 240kb/s is not impressive at all. Further more, according to modems measurements of network traffic this is been over inflated by 30%. Got the download to about 25% when and I paused it. 30 minutes later I attempted to resume it and it reset to 5% and now I'm only getting 70kb/s. Origin Uninstalled.Marka1700

I had it downloading at 2MB/s. Sucks for you.

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#36 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="Marka1700"]Never had to download a large amount of data trough Origin before as the only Origin game I have is the retail version of Battlefield 3. Tyring to download the 3.9GB Battlefield 3 update through it and not impressed at all. First of all the speed of 240kb/s is not impressive at all. Further more, according to modems measurements of network traffic this is been over inflated by 30%. Got the download to about 25% when and I paused it. 30 minutes later I attempted to resume it and it reset to 5% and now I'm only getting 70kb/s. Origin Uninstalled.ChubbyGuy40

I had it downloading at 2MB/s. Sucks for you.

No way I could get that speed. But I at least expect the 600-700kb/s I get out of other DD services.
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#37 ronvalencia
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Wow, I thought that part of of Terms of Use was just theoretical. I didn't realize EA was terrible enough to have actually banned people from gaming, innocent people no less.

Jeez, finally they start to make good games this gen and get Capcom and Activision more hated then them, then they do so many boneheaded moves it boggles the mind.

SPYDER0416

The contract doesn't override local laws.

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#38 Marka1700
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[QUOTE="SPYDER0416"]

Wow, I thought that part of of Terms of Use was just theoretical. I didn't realize EA was terrible enough to have actually banned people from gaming, innocent people no less.

Jeez, finally they start to make good games this gen and get Capcom and Activision more hated then them, then they do so many boneheaded moves it boggles the mind.

ronvalencia

The contract doesn't override local laws.

Good luck getting them enforced unless you can afford a really good lawyer.
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#39 DethSkematik
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And this is why I never post on Steam forums (I know it's separate from my game account, but after reading some threads on that site in some case a game is giving me problems, some posters do get a little pissy if you say the wrong thing...a lot worse than SW :?). EA just seems a lot more strict with their game library linked with your forum account (which is a stupid, stupid idea). Anyway, I've learned a long time ago that it's just not worth even so much as chatting in-game nowdays, because getting suspended/banned is as easy as someone falsifying a report against you, and for some reason or another, the ones who deal out the punishments buy it.