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that is dumb, he would get his ass kicked against MMA fighters.
nah , there was once a documentary about him and he was the best streetfighter ever known
Bruce lee's training was inhuman, he also had the determination of a madman
No wonder the man died at 33. A human body can only endure so much.
I'm not doubting his skills, but MMA is different, besides he would be in his 70's today. :P
yeah of course but apart from age bruce lee mastered jeet kune done, which was actually a form of mma
No mma fighter is going through the training he was going. I was somewhat of an mma fighter myself when I was younger allthough it didn't existed yet but I did karate, judo and kickboxing. I read bruce lee training and it was beyond crazy. The power and speed he had was inhuman
Like I said, people that fought him in streetfighter tournaments have enormous respect for him
because they could never beat him and there were no weight classes there.
Imagine him fighting a lightweight lol.
Bruce Lee was ahead of his time. But thats as far as it goes from comparing him to professional athletes of 2014. Fighting has evolved since his time. Just like how basketball evolved since Wilt Chamberlain, or boxing has evolved since Rocky Marciano, or soccer has evolved since Pele. You just cant compare the athletes of back then to the athlete of today because the game evolved and improved. It is a science now.
The training you see high level MMA fighters doing is something that Bruce would have never thought of. Bruce Lee training was very old school. Now everyone knows what works and what doesnt. Back then there was no internet and UFC on tv to have people exchange techniques and come up with moves and trainings that will elevate your game. There was no science involved. It was just word of mouth. "My master can kill a man with 1 blow".
Bruce also had very limited knowledge in grappling. Word has it that Gene Lebell who is from Judo would have his way with Lee when they would train. Grappling is a big part of MMA and most fight end up on the ground.
Last but not least. Bruce was also an actor. That is alot of time acting and making movies while pro fighters of today are training non stop. Bruce Lee's job and source of income was from acting. These MMA fighters are killers. They dont know anything else other then fighting. They are getting beat up every day. They are making their bodies go through pain that is unimaginable to normal people. They are training with other amazing fighters to improve their game. Iron forges iron.
bruce lee may have been an actor, but he was a streetfighter as well and the rules weren't as forgiving as the ufc.
It's hard to compare of course, because those streetfights were never videotaped, this was kinda of a underground thing.
As for grappling you have a point, I don't know how good bruce lee was at grappling but I doubt those streetfighters didn't think of that. I mean I thought of it even before the first ufc happened.
Not to mention the power and speed bruce lee has especially for someone of his weight class. In my mind he was the perfect fighter but of course you can discuss this all you want, in the end we'll never know, because bruce lee's top was in the '70 s
Anybody can be a street fighter. Anybody can kick in the balls or bite or pull hair. What do you mean by street fighter? Someone who knows how to defend them selves on the street? Im talking about a man to man fight with honor and respect. Any bum can start fights on the street. But it takes a level of skill to actually get paid for fighting.
I have seen the video of Bruce Lee in a competition fight with head gear and body gear. Listen, if I lived in that time period I would have been impressed as well. But in this day and age, his technique for boxing, or kicking is just out dated when it comes to technique.
Bruce trained in grappling. But not to the point where he can stop a black belt Judo practitioner, or a wrestler from taking him down.
I love Bruce Lee. He is gifted and he is smart. He is a fast learner. Im sure had he been young in this day and age, he would learn what he needs to learn and learn it fast. But at the time of his death, his skill isnt enough for todays level of competition.
Well, jeet kune do was all about mixing fighting styles.
wiki says it was influential and substantial for todays mma styles, his whole point was that most fighting styles only focussed on 1 or two categories like punching and kicking
while jeet kune do focusssed on four
punching
kicking
trapping
grappling
I quote wiki' Lee's theories have been especially influential and substantiated in the field of mixed martial arts, as the MMA Phases of Combat are essentially the same concept as the JKD combat ranges. As a historic note, the ranges in JKD have evolved over time. Initially the ranges were categorised as short or close, medium, and long range.[13] These terms proved ambiguous and eventually evolved into their more descriptive forms, although some may still prefer the original three categories'
I loved bruce lee so much because he used like techniques i learned in judo like grappling and trapplng but also techniques i learned in karate like puching and kicking. The fact that he was invincible in street fights must say something about his skill.
About the kicking in the balls, I always wore protection for that in karate, I don't think those streetfighters were so stupid to not were protection. As for pulling hair, that's not really something that can get you a long way either. I doubt those streetfights were about eyepoking as well because people that fought him in those streetfights were very respectfull to bruce. I'm also referring to them as streetfights, but these were a kind of underground tournaments, that the movie bloodsport is pretty much founded on.
I was a champion in my province in judo, and judo may be nice but it can only get you so far. A lot of mma fights may end in grappling but if you look at anderson silva for instance, you know that grappling isn't the only thing you can do. Of course if you can't grapple you don't really have a chance against a master grappler but don't forget the speed and power bruce lee had. In close combat you can get fucked up fast if you can't close the distance. If you look at fighters like fedor for instance it was a combination of several fighting styles as well.
Like I said, bruce lee knew very well the techniques that existed in grappling, only he was so fast and powerfull that grapplers could already be ko'd or injured before they got to him. The jeet kune do fighting style was about mma and it's still a fighting style today, I think a lot of the techniques are forbidden in ufc to be honest but I can't know for sure.
I do know though, that you can't say that bruce lee's skill wasn't enough for competition, he was a phenomon and I've never seen anyone with his level of speed and power . Of course, we can't let him fight anymore but I watch ufc too and I'm in my mid thirties. What I learned in judo, karate and kickboxing in the nineties almost covers anything I see in the ufc.
You must be out of your mind if you think bruce lee didn't know about those techniques, jeet kune do was all about covering all fighting styles so he could win against anyone. I knew about them when I was a 15 year old kid but he wouldn't have....
He created a fighting style that's pretty much the mma of today, only he created 30 years ago. He was a master at it and showed a level of determination and talent that was never seen before and we will probably never see it again anytime soon, life was a lot more serious back then and you think he wouldn't have a chance. I think you're overestimating the mma fighters of today.
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