DX12 will not solve XBones 1080p problems

#51 Posted by clone01 (25232 posts) -

Okay.

#52 Edited by Wickerman777 (1528 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@evildead6789 said:

both consoles are weak sauce

my gpu is a gtx 760

While I agree they aren't what they should have been (Especially X1) I never expected their specs to compete with high-end PC gpus. That's impossible given the cost and power requirements of graphics cards like that. But what they both could, and should, have done is aimed at a $500 price point with 24 functioning compute units in the GPUs and 12 Jaguar CPU cores instead of 8. Those would have been true 1080p machines and I totally believe people would have been willing to pay the extra $100 for them. But there's no time machine to correct things so we've got what we've got. :(

gtx 760 is not a high end gpu lol. I had a 7870 xt before that and then i bought a 750 ti because i wanted to make a httpc. The 7870XT even runs circles around the ps4's gpu. The 750ti is about the same as what's in a ps4, but an old phenom II quad beats the crap out of the ps4's cpu lol.

I bought the gtx 760 because i can sli and for upcoming vr games. The gtx 780 is a high end gpu, or maybe the gtx 770.

The x1 is really not that much weaker as the ps4, everybody's whining about the secret sauce, but the fact is that it isn't secret sauce but it still give an boost to the x1's gpu which is basically a 7790, that's just one tier below the 7850 and that's what's in a ps4.

The 1080p problems is because of the reservation for kinect , which is now gone and the proper tools for that esram. Maybe the ps4 may still have a bit of an edge, but it won't be a difference vs 1080p and 900p, the witcher's comment is just because they're frustated , they have to put the extra work in the X1 version, while the ps4 will be a lot easier to dev for, since it's a lot more like a pc. They also have a pc version so they just going to use one version and they won't use the esram.

Because that's what's basically is the difference between the 7790 and 7850, 1080p vs 900p, the esram can close the gap, but if they won't use it, nobody can do something about that.

I wasn't talking about your GPU, didn't even pay attention to it. Was talking about PC GPUs in general, specifically the high-end ones. And X1 is not equivalent to a 7790. Architecturally it's similar but the PC version is clocked in a way that gives it several hundred extra terraflops of performance. X1 is only 1.3. And I disagree with your 1080p vs 900p figure. More like 900p vs 720p. PS4 has been running quite a few 1080p games on old engines. Once next-gen gets into full gear and real games start coming out for it regularly that figure is going to be lower much of the time. A 1080p console it's not.

#53 Posted by commander (8624 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@evildead6789 said:

Yeah because they didn't have the right esram tools at that time lol

witcher devs are just being lazy

both consoles are weak sauce

my gpu is a gtx 760

They have all the same tool all developers have,Sniper Elite is 1080p The witcher 3 comes next year and isn't,it not the tools is the weak xbox one.

I doubt you have one,and that 760GTX can't be consider a 5 year old PC.

I get it you love your xbox but you hide on PC when it loss so lemming like..lol

Just because i have a newer card doesn't mean older cards matched that performance. The hd 5970 runs circles around the ps4's gpu, and that's a 5 year old card, that you can pick up for a lousy 150 bucks.

yeah sure , I love my xbox, for what, old games lol. I don't even have a fake next gen console. I still have an x360 but also a ps3 but i have those for years.

The point is , you love your ps4 so much and keep on htting on the x1 but they're both a rip off with dinosaur hardware when you look at performance. The only thing that's recent about these consoles is the power consumption but apart from that, a 5 year old pc runs circles around it.

next gen console lmao, whining about 100p difference at 30fps because one dev is too lcheap to use the proper tools. What a victory lol,

enjoy your lagfests lol

#54 Edited by Shewgenja (10802 posts) -

@faizan_faizan said:

Old.

The article is from today... On this site!

#55 Posted by faizan_faizan (7868 posts) -

@Shewgenja said:

@faizan_faizan said:

Old.

The article is from today... On this site!

LOL! I'm not talking about the article.

#56 Posted by tormentos (20008 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

gtx 760 is not a high end gpu lol. I had a 7870 xt before that and then i bought a 750 ti because i wanted to make a httpc. The 7870XT even runs circles around the ps4's gpu. The 750ti is about the same as what's in a ps4, but an old phenom II quad beats the crap out of the ps4's cpu lol.

I bought the gtx 760 because i can sli and for upcoming vr games. The gtx 780 is a high end gpu, or maybe the gtx 770.

The x1 is really not that much weaker as the ps4, everybody's whining about the secret sauce, but the fact is that it isn't secret sauce but it still give an boost to the x1's gpu which is basically a 7790, that's just one tier below the 7850 and that's what's in a ps4.

The 1080p problems is because of the reservation for kinect , which is now gone and the proper tools for that esram. Maybe the ps4 may still have a bit of an edge, but it won't be a difference vs 1080p and 900p, the witcher's comment is just because they're frustated , they have to put the extra work in the X1 version, while the ps4 will be a lot easier to dev for, since it's a lot more like a pc. They also have a pc version so they just going to use one version and they won't use the esram.

Because that's what's basically is the difference between the 7790 and 7850, 1080p vs 900p, the esram can close the gap, but if they won't use it, nobody can do something about that.

And this is the problem with your argument and how it gives away that you are a sad lemming,here you are saying the 7870XT runs circles around the PS4,yet you want to portrait that gimped 7790 inside the xbox one as been close to the PS4 GPU.

The PS4 is cut down 7870 the xbox one is a cut down 7790.

End result give all away.

The 7790 inside the xbox one has 12 CU instead of the original 14 it comes pack in,2 are disable for redundancy,it also has a lower clock speed of 853mhz which mean is not at the same speed either as the full 7790 which is 1027mhz.

The 7870 inside the PS4 has as well 2 CU disable for redundancy,ad has a 800mhz speed while the 7870 has 1000mhz.

Now the final performance of the PS4 because of the lower CU and lower speed it 1.84Tf which is higher than the 7850 1.76 by basically a hair.

Now the final performance of the xbox one is 1.28TF that is what the 7770 has exactly 1.28TF.

So you see the there is more than 1 step behind this 2 consoles,and games like Tomb Raider and Sniper Elite show that,the gap can be as big as 30FPS which is a considerable one,and much bigger than the one the 7870 has over the 7770 i may add on PC.

No no and 10 times now.

Only a true blind lemming will believe that 100Gflops more will make the xbox one GPU go for 720p to 1080p,but some how believe that 500+Gflps more the PS4 has on the xbox one is almost nothing.

Sniper Elite use the latest tools,Rebellion was even very pro xbox one,saying how they would achieve 1080p with the new tools,and what happen.? They achieve 1080p but at what cost.? The PS4 version of sniper elite can hit 60FPS the xbox one version is locked at 30FPS if you v-synch it which the PS4 version is,not only that effects are scale back as well on xbox one.

So not only the PS4 is up to 30FPS faster it also has higher effects,that is a huge ass gap,basically Tomb Raider style.

Stop making your self look like an ass,defending the xbox one disadvantage but at the same time trying to use PC vs the PS4,you lemming are pathetic,this generation will go down in history as the generation of the shameful lemming,no lemming want to admit been one,defend it all the time but hide under PC at each an every corner,is not the developers having problems is the xbox one been 6 CU and 550+Gflops behind the PS4 the true problem and it will not change.

#57 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@Wickerman777 said:

@evildead6789 said:

@Wickerman777 said:

@evildead6789 said:

both consoles are weak sauce

my gpu is a gtx 760

While I agree they aren't what they should have been (Especially X1) I never expected their specs to compete with high-end PC gpus. That's impossible given the cost and power requirements of graphics cards like that. But what they both could, and should, have done is aimed at a $500 price point with 24 functioning compute units in the GPUs and 12 Jaguar CPU cores instead of 8. Those would have been true 1080p machines and I totally believe people would have been willing to pay the extra $100 for them. But there's no time machine to correct things so we've got what we've got. :(

gtx 760 is not a high end gpu lol. I had a 7870 xt before that and then i bought a 750 ti because i wanted to make a httpc. The 7870XT even runs circles around the ps4's gpu. The 750ti is about the same as what's in a ps4, but an old phenom II quad beats the crap out of the ps4's cpu lol.

I bought the gtx 760 because i can sli and for upcoming vr games. The gtx 780 is a high end gpu, or maybe the gtx 770.

The x1 is really not that much weaker as the ps4, everybody's whining about the secret sauce, but the fact is that it isn't secret sauce but it still give an boost to the x1's gpu which is basically a 7790, that's just one tier below the 7850 and that's what's in a ps4.

The 1080p problems is because of the reservation for kinect , which is now gone and the proper tools for that esram. Maybe the ps4 may still have a bit of an edge, but it won't be a difference vs 1080p and 900p, the witcher's comment is just because they're frustated , they have to put the extra work in the X1 version, while the ps4 will be a lot easier to dev for, since it's a lot more like a pc. They also have a pc version so they just going to use one version and they won't use the esram.

Because that's what's basically is the difference between the 7790 and 7850, 1080p vs 900p, the esram can close the gap, but if they won't use it, nobody can do something about that.

I wasn't talking about your GPU, didn't even pay attention to it. Was talking about PC GPUs in general, specifically the high-end ones. And X1 is not equivalent to a 7790. Architecturally it's similar but the PC version is clocked in a way that gives it several hundred extra terraflops of performance. X1 is only 1.3. And I disagree with your 1080p vs 900p figure. More like 900p vs 720p. PS4 has been running quite a few 1080p games on old engines. Once next-gen gets into full gear and real games start coming out for it regularly that figure is going to fall. A 1080p console it's not.

I doubt next gen what you're talking will kick in anytime soon. They will probably make sacrifies on shadowing lightning, texture resolution (they already done it on infamous, no dynamic shadowing) and they will use a lot of tricks like texture tiling. The esram is made for that , but the ps4 gpu can do it to, Only the esram is faster and specifically designed for this.

The x1 is exactly a 7790, what's different is the ram speed, because that's ddr3 on the x1 but like I said, they can counter a lot with the esram because that's superfast ram. Both devs will have to use tweaks like texture tiling, and that's exactly what dx12 is about.

Basically it's not rendering textures when you cannot see it in game, you can save a lot of horsepower with it, but you need fast ram so that the user won't notice the pop in or fill rate.

The thing with the ps4 is, is that's not happening yet, they're relying solely on the gddr5 and the gpu's horsepower, but later in this gen, they will use these techniques but they won't be able to do it as easy as on the x1 because the x1 has that esram and will have more headroom in this. The ps4 does have much more ram than that esram though, but they won't be able to change textures on the fly right under the users nose, because the speed won't be fazst enough for that.

Still the extra power in the ps4 will still be more than enough to counter that advantage and in the end the ps4 will still be the better system but it won't be as much better as the ps3 was, allthough we hardly seen anything of that power because of the difficulties to program for. It's the same this gen, but texture tiling is not as difficult as the vector cpu's in the ps3 and both systems will need to use it because otherwise there simply won't be any true next gen games.

You already need a ps4 to run a lot of previous gen games in all their glory, like far cry 3, dead space 3, for crysis 3 you need even something better. So the texture tiling will happen, and when devs will have to do it. The esram will be used all the time, but now it's basically a choice and the witcher devs just chose not to.

#58 Posted by Shielder7 (5185 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:


well other devs don't have a problem with it, so it's the devs that don't want to go through the trouble to make it work.Maybe I would care if the witcher series were actually good games.

Well besides the point that other devs haven't tried to put a game this taxing they actually do.

Last I check Diablo 3 was going to be 1080p on PS4 but not Xbox one.

#59 Posted by highking_kallor (594 posts) -

@evildead6789

You were doing good until you said Dead Space 3. Thanks for the laugh.

#60 Posted by NFJSupreme (5404 posts) -

only hardcore lems ever thought it would

#61 Edited by Shielder7 (5185 posts) -
@daious said:

Doesn't matter. We will see easy ports between xboxone and PC because of that. That will enhance both their libraries. There are only a few users here that would be crushed by this news but we live in a world outside of SW. It still sucks that in 2014, we don't have consoles that can deliver 1080p experience even though its been the standard for years.

The PS4 isn't a console?

#62 Edited by Wickerman777 (1528 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

The x1 is exactly a 7790,

It is not exactly a 7790. It has 2 less functioning compute units and runs at a lower clock. That's like saying PS4 is exactly a 7870 since it also has 2 CUs disabled and is running at a lower clock.

#63 Edited by Shielder7 (5185 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:


The x1 is really not that much weaker as the ps4,

Yes it is.

@evildead6789 said:


The 1080p problems is because of the reservation for kinect ,

No it isn't

@evildead6789 said:

the witcher's comment is just because they're frustated ,

No they're not

@evildead6789 said:

they have to put the extra work in the X1 version, while the ps4 will be a lot easier to dev for, since it's a lot more like a pc.

LMAO that excuse never worked for cows last gen and the had the cell it's not working for Lems this Gen.

@evildead6789 said:

the esram can close the gap,

No it Can't

#64 Edited by PS4hasNOgames (2303 posts) -

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

#65 Posted by lostrib (42145 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

#66 Posted by tormentos (20008 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

Just because i have a newer card doesn't mean older cards matched that performance. The hd 5970 runs circles around the ps4's gpu, and that's a 5 year old card, that you can pick up for a lousy 150 bucks.

yeah sure , I love my xbox, for what, old games lol. I don't even have a fake next gen console. I still have an x360 but also a ps3 but i have those for years.

The point is , you love your ps4 so much and keep on htting on the x1 but they're both a rip off with dinosaur hardware when you look at performance. The only thing that's recent about these consoles is the power consumption but apart from that, a 5 year old pc runs circles around it.

next gen console lmao, whining about 100p difference at 30fps because one dev is too lcheap to use the proper tools. What a victory lol,

enjoy your lagfests lol

Yeah lets play stupid the 5970 is a dual GPU card that on November 2009 when it came was $600 freaking dollars,not only that GPU wasn't even remotely popular on PC most PC gamers didn't own one,hell most PC gamers didn't own a freaking 5870 back then,let alone that GPU,saying GPU stronger than the PS4 existed since 2009 mean sh** that GPU would be the equivalent of a $900 GPU last year 7990 like.

If your job was to imply that a stronger than GPU than the one on the PS4 existed on 2009,job well done if you try to imply that the average PC was even close to that GPU in power then your dumber than i ever imagine.

Few people owned a GPU like that,and still today that GPU even use is $200 freaking dollars USED TODAY 5 years latter.

You want 1 new hey no problem..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003E1XH4S/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

There still one $699 dollars.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003E1XH4S/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

Used $210 dollars that is more than half the price of the PS4,and you still need a PC to put it,oh wait with $210 i already can get a stronger GPU than the PS4,hell my R270 is like $159 on newegg.

You basically have nothing and hide your sorry butthurt behind PC..lol

But but but The right ESRAM tool but but but Kinect reservation..lol

Build me a PC with all the components on the PS4 for $399 or less..lol ill wait..

Hell GPU stronger than the PS4 exist since 2009,yet like 10 million PC gamers own a PC more powerful than the PS4,lol that is shamefully low,considering than the PS4 is almost 10 million units sold in basically months.

30FPS vs 60FPS...hahahaahaaaa your xbox one get spanked at 1080p..lol

#67 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2303 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

#68 Posted by lostrib (42145 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

Please stop. this is making me uncomfortable. I'll have to report you otherwise

#69 Posted by CrownKingArthur (5262 posts) -
@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

ha! there are video games for sale on the PC!

how can the pc have no games, if there are games for sale?

checkmate.

#70 Posted by YD_11 (1867 posts) -

Has anyone announced yet what will solve the ps4's games problem?

#71 Posted by highking_kallor (594 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

Please stop. this is making me uncomfortable. I'll have to report you otherwise

He just wants to be inside you bro. Then he can run home and report you to mummy. Naughty boy.

#72 Posted by tormentos (20008 posts) -
@evildead6789 said:

I doubt next gen what you're talking will kick in anytime soon. They will probably make sacrifies on shadowing lightning, texture resolution (they already done it on infamous, no dynamic shadowing) and they will use a lot of tricks like texture tiling. The esram is made for that , but the ps4 gpu can do it to, Only the esram is faster and specifically designed for this.

The x1 is exactly a 7790, what's different is the ram speed, because that's ddr3 on the x1 but like I said, they can counter a lot with the esram because that's superfast ram. Both devs will have to use tweaks like texture tiling, and that's exactly what dx12 is about.

Basically it's not rendering textures when you cannot see it in game, you can save a lot of horsepower with it, but you need fast ram so that the user won't notice the pop in or fill rate.

The thing with the ps4 is, is that's not happening yet, they're relying solely on the gddr5 and the gpu's horsepower, but later in this gen, they will use these techniques but they won't be able to do it as easy as on the x1 because the x1 has that esram and will have more headroom in this. The ps4 does have much more ram than that esram though, but they won't be able to change textures on the fly right under the users nose, because the speed won't be fazst enough for that.

Still the extra power in the ps4 will still be more than enough to counter that advantage and in the end the ps4 will still be the better system but it won't be as much better as the ps3 was, allthough we hardly seen anything of that power because of the difficulties to program for. It's the same this gen, but texture tiling is not as difficult as the vector cpu's in the ps3 and both systems will need to use it because otherwise there simply won't be any true next gen games.

You already need a ps4 to run a lot of previous gen games in all their glory, like far cry 3, dead space 3, for crysis 3 you need even something better. So the texture tiling will happen, and when devs will have to do it. The esram will be used all the time, but now it's basically a choice and the witcher devs just chose not to.

1-This first bold part complete confirm that you are a secret sauce butthurt lemming,infamous has shadows dude it has been proven to hell and beyond.

ESRAM isn't make for textures tilling,PRT or Tile resources is a process of the GPU not ESRAM,you are basically repeating what other secret sauce lovers did,and i remember quite a few with that argument some which aren't here..hahahaaha

The PS4 does tile resources just as well as the xbox one does it,if not even better because of having just 1 pool of memory instead of 2.

2-No is not the 7790 is 14 CU 1027 and 1.79TF,the xbox one is 12 CU 853 mhz and 1.28TF,this is how you cover is blown,trying to act like a hermit and you end up looking like a fool,hermits know this already and they know the X1 doesn't have a full 7790.

Lol what that 3rd bold part even mean..hahaha

3-Just lol...

4-Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa....super fast ultra secret sauce ESRAM,i can believe people still eat this sh** and worse they try to pass them self as hermits..hahaha

My god how can so much bullsh** come from just one poster,ESRAM will do sh** is a bandwidth patch not a performance enhancer of flop producer.

Tile Resources will do sh** is basically a solution for a problem that doesn't exist on PS4 or xbox one little memory.

DX12 is just MS console version of their tools ported to PC.

And there is to much sunshine lately for the cloud to do anything..lol

What a sad lemming you are..lol

#73 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2303 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

Please stop. this is making me uncomfortable. I'll have to report you otherwise

report for what? go run and tattle like a little bitch. I will have the pleasure of knowing I turned you into a snitch, or brought it out in you. haha

u lose.

#74 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@evildead6789 said:

gtx 760 is not a high end gpu lol. I had a 7870 xt before that and then i bought a 750 ti because i wanted to make a httpc. The 7870XT even runs circles around the ps4's gpu. The 750ti is about the same as what's in a ps4, but an old phenom II quad beats the crap out of the ps4's cpu lol.

I bought the gtx 760 because i can sli and for upcoming vr games. The gtx 780 is a high end gpu, or maybe the gtx 770.

The x1 is really not that much weaker as the ps4, everybody's whining about the secret sauce, but the fact is that it isn't secret sauce but it still give an boost to the x1's gpu which is basically a 7790, that's just one tier below the 7850 and that's what's in a ps4.

The 1080p problems is because of the reservation for kinect , which is now gone and the proper tools for that esram. Maybe the ps4 may still have a bit of an edge, but it won't be a difference vs 1080p and 900p, the witcher's comment is just because they're frustated , they have to put the extra work in the X1 version, while the ps4 will be a lot easier to dev for, since it's a lot more like a pc. They also have a pc version so they just going to use one version and they won't use the esram.

Because that's what's basically is the difference between the 7790 and 7850, 1080p vs 900p, the esram can close the gap, but if they won't use it, nobody can do something about that.

And this is the problem with your argument and how it gives away that you are a sad lemming,here you are saying the 7870XT runs circles around the PS4,yet you want to portrait that gimped 7790 inside the xbox one as been close to the PS4 GPU.

The PS4 is cut down 7870 the xbox one is a cut down 7790.

End result give all away.

The 7790 inside the xbox one has 12 CU instead of the original 14 it comes pack in,2 are disable for redundancy,it also has a lower clock speed of 853mhz which mean is not at the same speed either as the full 7790 which is 1027mhz.

The 7870 inside the PS4 has as well 2 CU disable for redundancy,ad has a 800mhz speed while the 7870 has 1000mhz.

Now the final performance of the PS4 because of the lower CU and lower speed it 1.84Tf which is higher than the 7850 1.76 by basically a hair.

Now the final performance of the xbox one is 1.28TF that is what the 7770 has exactly 1.28TF.

So you see the there is more than 1 step behind this 2 consoles,and games like Tomb Raider and Sniper Elite show that,the gap can be as big as 30FPS which is a considerable one,and much bigger than the one the 7870 has over the 7770 i may add on PC.

No no and 10 times now.

Only a true blind lemming will believe that 100Gflops more will make the xbox one GPU go for 720p to 1080p,but some how believe that 500+Gflps more the PS4 has on the xbox one is almost nothing.

Sniper Elite use the latest tools,Rebellion was even very pro xbox one,saying how they would achieve 1080p with the new tools,and what happen.? They achieve 1080p but at what cost.? The PS4 version of sniper elite can hit 60FPS the xbox one version is locked at 30FPS if you v-synch it which the PS4 version is,not only that effects are scale back as well on xbox one.

So not only the PS4 is up to 30FPS faster it also has higher effects,that is a huge ass gap,basically Tomb Raider style.

Stop making your self look like an ass,defending the xbox one disadvantage but at the same time trying to use PC vs the PS4,you lemming are pathetic,this generation will go down in history as the generation of the shameful lemming,no lemming want to admit been one,defend it all the time but hide under PC at each an every corner,is not the developers having problems is the xbox one been 6 CU and 550+Gflops behind the PS4 the true problem and it will not change.

all fanboy bs. The 7790 on the x1 is not cut down, it has ddr3 instead of gddr5, something the esram can easily counter, and more

A cut down 7870 is not a hd 7870, the ps4 gpu's is similar in performance as a hd 7850.

TFlops and gflops don't really matter in this equation, since it doesn't reflect the overall performance of these systems. The ps3 has actually more tflops than the ps4 , if you want to discuss hardware with me, go to school first.

This has nothing to do with me being a lemming or not, this is just basic understanding of hardware and software that makes these consoles. Rebellion may have tried but they failed. Wolfenstein for instance runs at 1080p and 60 fps on both systems. Only they had to use some more tricks on the X1 to achieve this and they did it.

When you look how wolfenstein runs on a pc, then it's clear that optimization with esram does give performance gains. With a 7790 that has memory speeds cut down to ddr3, you would not nearly get the same quality that you get on the x1. I've ran it off a 750ti which is like the performance of a hd 7850 and it run on the quality of the ps4 and x1 but at lower fps (40-50)

You might want so desperatelly that your ps4 is a strong system, but it isn't . It's a 5 year old pc, the x1 is a 6 year old pc with more tricks up his sleeve. They're both very similar in performance, wether you like it or not.

#75 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2303 posts) -

@CrownKingArthur said:
@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

ha! there are video games for sale on the PC!

how can the pc have no games, if there are games for sale?

checkmate.

pc has nothing good. the best games are for consoles, everyone knows it.

now go cry. ha.

#76 Posted by CrownKingArthur (5262 posts) -

my cup runneth over with games, no time or room for tears.

#77 Edited by clone01 (25232 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

@CrownKingArthur said:
@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

Lol 1080p arguments

lol pc has no games.

False.

Please stop stalking me

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

ha! there are video games for sale on the PC!

how can the pc have no games, if there are games for sale?

checkmate.

pc has nothing good. the best games are for consoles, everyone knows it.

now go cry. ha.

I realize its your schtick, but its a bit sad if you really believe that.

#78 Posted by Wickerman777 (1528 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

all fanboy bs. The 7790 on the x1 is not cut down, it has ddr3 instead of gddr5, something the esram can easily counter, and more

A cut down 7870 is not a hd 7870, the ps4 gpu's is similar in performance as a hd 7850.


You make no sense. If a cut-down 7870 is not a 7870 than a cut-down 7790 is not a 7790! They both have the same cuts. 7790 on PC has 14 working CUs, on X1 it has 12 working CUs. That's a difference right there. Additionally, the PC version runs at a higher clock. The difference between a 7870 in PC and what's in the PS4 have exactly the same differences as that between a 7790 in PC and what's in X1: 2 less working CUs and a lower clock. If in your opinion what's in PS4 is akin to a 7850 than likewise what's in X1 is akin to a 7770. You can't have it both ways.

X1 architecturally = 7790 with 2 less functioning CUs and a lower clock. Because of those cutbacks real-world performance = 7770.

PS4 architecturally = 7870 with 2 less functioning CUs and a lower clock. Because of those cutbacks real-world performance = 7850.

It works the same for both of them!

#79 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@tormentos said:

Yeah lets play stupid the 5970 is a dual GPU card that on November 2009 when it came was $600 freaking dollars,not only that GPU wasn't even remotely popular on PC most PC gamers didn't own one,hell most PC gamers didn't own a freaking 5870 back then,let alone that GPU,saying GPU stronger than the PS4 existed since 2009 mean sh** that GPU would be the equivalent of a $900 GPU last year 7990 like.

If your job was to imply that a stronger than GPU than the one on the PS4 existed on 2009,job well done if you try to imply that the average PC was even close to that GPU in power then your dumber than i ever imagine.

Few people owned a GPU like that,and still today that GPU even use is $200 freaking dollars USED TODAY 5 years latter.

You want 1 new hey no problem..

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003E1XH4S/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

There still one $699 dollars.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B003E1XH4S/ref=olp_tab_used?ie=UTF8&condition=used

Used $210 dollars that is more than half the price of the PS4,and you still need a PC to put it,oh wait with $210 i already can get a stronger GPU than the PS4,hell my R270 is like $159 on newegg.

You basically have nothing and hide your sorry butthurt behind PC..lol

But but but The right ESRAM tool but but but Kinect reservation..lol

Build me a PC with all the components on the PS4 for $399 or less..lol ill wait..

Hell GPU stronger than the PS4 exist since 2009,yet like 10 million PC gamers own a PC more powerful than the PS4,lol that is shamefully low,considering than the PS4 is almost 10 million units sold in basically months.

30FPS vs 60FPS...hahahaahaaaa your xbox one get spanked at 1080p..lol

Yeah but the hd 5970 was five years ago, the much cheaper hd 5870 was only bit slower than the hd 7850 in the ps4, but you can overclock that card lol, to match that performance, easily

the hd 5970 was basically two, you get that in your thick skull, two 5870 on one board, like two ps4 gpu's on one board

FIVE FRAKKIN YEARS AGO

you can study to be a lawyer in that time for christ sake. If I put 5 5870's in my pc I have four ps4's in one system and this

FIVE YEARS AGO

and your link to that 5970 is not only overprice, you're forgetting that this card is way more powerfull than what's in a crappy ps4.

Besides no one would buy that , maybe someone that wants to sli the card, but if you buy a card now, for 210$,you can buy a used gtx 680, or a new gtx 760, so stop crying and trying, I know you must be sad that the ps4 is the equivalent what the gameboy was in the nineties

only that one was portable lol

and again, look at wolfenstein, apparently they got it right. I doubt other big devs will get it wrong lol

#80 Posted by tormentos (20008 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

all fanboy bs. The 7790 on the x1 is not cut down, it has ddr3 instead of gddr5, something the esram can easily counter, and more

A cut down 7870 is not a hd 7870, the ps4 gpu's is similar in performance as a hd 7850.

TFlops and gflops don't really matter in this equation, since it doesn't reflect the overall performance of these systems. The ps3 has actually more tflops than the ps4 , if you want to discuss hardware with me, go to school first.

This has nothing to do with me being a lemming or not, this is just basic understanding of hardware and software that makes these consoles. Rebellion may have tried but they failed. Wolfenstein for instance runs at 1080p and 60 fps on both systems. Only they had to use some more tricks on the X1 to achieve this and they did it.

When you look how wolfenstein runs on a pc, then it's clear that optimization with esram does give performance gains. With a 7790 that has memory speeds cut down to ddr3, you would not nearly get the same quality that you get on the x1. I've ran it off a 750ti which is like the performance of a hd 7850 and it run on the quality of the ps4 and x1 but at lower fps (40-50)

You might want so desperatelly that your ps4 is a strong system, but it isn't . It's a 5 year old pc, the x1 is a 6 year old pc with more tricks up his sleeve. They're both very similar in performance, wether you like it or not.

Every one of the Xbox One dev kits actually has 14 CUs on the silicon. Two of those CUs are reserved for redundancy in manufacturing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-complete-xbox-one-interview

Xbox one own architect...

It has 12 CU 2 are disable and has 853mhz speed,the full 7790 has 14 CU and 1027mhz and 1.79TF which the xbox one doesn't have.

No the PS3 doesn't have more flops than the PS3,the whole 2TF was total bullsh** it was non programmable period just like the xbox 360 so call 1 TF as well.

And yes in GCN flops determine performance,is not Nvidia vs AMD both GPU are from AMD.

You are a sad lemming bag your secret sauce it has been debunked for months.

#81 Posted by lostrib (42145 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

Please stop. this is making me uncomfortable. I'll have to report you otherwise

report for what? go run and tattle like a little bitch. I will have the pleasure of knowing I turned you into a snitch, or brought it out in you. haha

u lose.

That honestly sounds like all you have going for you in your life. So sure, if that makes you feel better

#82 Edited by kuu2 (7909 posts) -

Can't wait for the Witcher to come out this holiday.

#83 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@Wickerman777 said:

@evildead6789 said:

all fanboy bs. The 7790 on the x1 is not cut down, it has ddr3 instead of gddr5, something the esram can easily counter, and more

A cut down 7870 is not a hd 7870, the ps4 gpu's is similar in performance as a hd 7850.


You make no sense. If a cut-down 7870 is not a 7870 than a cut-down 7790 is not a 7790! They both have the same cuts. 7790 on PC has 14 working CUs, on X1 it has 12 working CUs. That's a difference right there. Additionally, the PC version runs at a higher clock. The difference between a 7870 in PC and what's in the PS4 have exactly the same differences as that between a 7790 in PC and what's in X1: 2 less working CUs and a lower clock. If in your opinion what's in PS4 is akin to a 7850 than likewise what's in X1 is akin to a 7770. You can't have it both ways.

X1 architecturally = 7790 with 2 less functioning CUs and a lower clock. Because of those cutbacks real-world performance = 7770.

PS4 architecturally = 7870 with 2 less functioning CUs and a lower clock. Because of those cutbacks real-world performance = 7850.

It works the same for both of them!

No it isn't the same cut's because the hd 7790 has a 128 bit interface, the xbox1 gpu has a 256 bit interface. When you take that into account it's has the same performance of a hd 7790.

With the ps4 this isn't the case, the 7800 series already have a 256 bit interface. The cuts make it comparable to a 7850.

#84 Edited by Cloud_imperium (5827 posts) -

Who cares . BTW , I thought console gamers don't care about graphics . Will play this on PC like first two games .

#85 Posted by Spitfire-Six (685 posts) -

@evildead6789: I hope you know what your getting into, expect to see a tomb raider benchmark post soon.

#86 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@tormentos said:

Every one of the Xbox One dev kits actually has 14 CUs on the silicon. Two of those CUs are reserved for redundancy in manufacturing.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-the-complete-xbox-one-interview

Xbox one own architect...

It has 12 CU 2 are disable and has 853mhz speed,the full 7790 has 14 CU and 1027mhz and 1.79TF which the xbox one doesn't have.

No the PS3 doesn't have more flops than the PS3,the whole 2TF was total bullsh** it was non programmable period just like the xbox 360 so call 1 TF as well.

And yes in GCN flops determine performance,is not Nvidia vs AMD both GPU are from AMD.

You are a sad lemming bag your secret sauce it has been debunked for months.

Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up. Tflops don't give the right picture, computational power isn't everything. A supercomputer without 3d acceleration won't run any games and can have the tflops of a dozen ps4's.

The 7790 desktop version has a 128 bit interface. The x1 gpu has a 256 bit interface The double bit rate makes up for the lesser clock speed and lesser cu's. Microsoft did this to avoid bottlenecks with a 128 bit internface.

Stop disccuing topics that you do not understand. You really need to get of your high horse, you act like mr know it all and you can't even understand basic bits and bytes.

I told you to go school before you argue with me lol.

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#87 Edited by Alcapello (1309 posts) -

They should just bring DRM back and lock in xbots for more advertisement money.

#88 Posted by Alcapello (1309 posts) -

@YD_11 said:

Has anyone announced yet what will solve the ps4's games problem?

There no real need for games anymore, Sony notice microsoft finish last gen.

#89 Posted by tormentos (20008 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:

Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up. Tflops don't give the right picture, computational power isn't everything. A supercomputer without 3d acceleration won't run any games and can have the tflops of a dozen ps4's.

The 7790 desktop version has a 128 bit interface. The x1 gpu has a 256 bit interface The double bit rate makes up for the lesser clock speed and lesser cu's. Microsoft did this to avoid bottlenecks with a 128 bit internface.

Stop disccuing topics that you do not understand. You really need to get of your high horse, you act like mr know it all and you can't even understand basic bits and bytes.

I told you to go school before you argue with me lol.

Son go discus your secret sauce else where the xbox one can have a 512 bit bus and will mean sh** with its crappy GPU,the bus wight doesn't make out for CU and speed deficiency.

Since when the bus is a flop generator,performance comes from CU not from the bus,if you have a small bus and a power GPU you will bet bottle neck,if you have a weak GPU and a wide bus don't expect miracles that bus will not help the GPU over come its lack of power.

The fact that you still trying to argue that the PS3 has more flops than the PS4 says it all.

#90 Posted by Spitfire-Six (685 posts) -

@tormentos: Lol what are you talking about dude?

#91 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2303 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

truth.

and stop stealing my lines stalker.

I know you want to be me but you never will.

Please stop. this is making me uncomfortable. I'll have to report you otherwise

report for what? go run and tattle like a little bitch. I will have the pleasure of knowing I turned you into a snitch, or brought it out in you. haha

u lose.

That honestly sounds like all you have going for you in your life. So sure, if that makes you feel better

i garauntee my life is a hell of a lot better than some hermit who spends 15 hours a day on this forum.(you)

haha, now go worship me.

#92 Posted by Shielder7 (5185 posts) -

@evildead6789 said:


Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up.

WTF are you talking about?

That PS3 number is the CPU and GPU added together which I believe is around 400 total GFlops, or 0.4TFlops. The GPU by itself is ~190 GFlops. The 1.84 TFlops of the PS4 GPU is ~10x that.

I want to know wheres this source that says the PS3 has 1.84 TFlops, no way the PS3 had that much computing power I think you miss placed a decimal point.

#93 Posted by lostrib (42145 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

@lostrib said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

report for what? go run and tattle like a little bitch. I will have the pleasure of knowing I turned you into a snitch, or brought it out in you. haha

u lose.

That honestly sounds like all you have going for you in your life. So sure, if that makes you feel better

i garauntee my life is a hell of a lot better than some hermit who spends 15 hours a day on this forum.(you)

haha, now go worship me.

I don't think I've even been awake for 15 hours

#94 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@tormentos said:

@evildead6789 said:

Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up. Tflops don't give the right picture, computational power isn't everything. A supercomputer without 3d acceleration won't run any games and can have the tflops of a dozen ps4's.

The 7790 desktop version has a 128 bit interface. The x1 gpu has a 256 bit interface The double bit rate makes up for the lesser clock speed and lesser cu's. Microsoft did this to avoid bottlenecks with a 128 bit internface.

Stop disccuing topics that you do not understand. You really need to get of your high horse, you act like mr know it all and you can't even understand basic bits and bytes.

I told you to go school before you argue with me lol.

Son go discus your secret sauce else where the xbox one can have a 512 bit bus and will mean sh** with its crappy GPU,the bus wight doesn't make out for CU and speed deficiency.

Since when the bus is a flop generator,performance comes from CU not from the bus,if you have a small bus and a power GPU you will bet bottle neck,if you have a weak GPU and a wide bus don't expect miracles that bus will not help the GPU over come its lack of power.

The fact that you still trying to argue that the PS3 has more flops than the PS4 says it all.

dude you really have no clue what you're talking about , you just look up some article but you don't understand the information.

At the memory speeds the hd 7790 runs 256 bit will increase it's performance even with the ddr3 speeds.I know what you're going to say, that's not true. Sadly for you it is. Cards like the gts 250 for instance are 256 bit cards with DDR3 memory. Do you really think they will double the bit rate, increase the price, just for the fun of it.

Not to mention that 256 bit bus is needed to communicate with the esram as well

the ps3 has 2.18 fflops, the ps4 has 2 tflops, that's because the cell cpu on the ps3 was and is still very powerfull, had the machine released a couple years later when a much strong gpu, the system would still be viable today.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/playstation-3-vs-playstation-4-in-depth-spec-comparison/#!bvTzUa

computerclass is over

#95 Posted by lostrib (42145 posts) -
@evildead6789 said:

@tormentos said:

@evildead6789 said:

Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up. Tflops don't give the right picture, computational power isn't everything. A supercomputer without 3d acceleration won't run any games and can have the tflops of a dozen ps4's.

The 7790 desktop version has a 128 bit interface. The x1 gpu has a 256 bit interface The double bit rate makes up for the lesser clock speed and lesser cu's. Microsoft did this to avoid bottlenecks with a 128 bit internface.

Stop disccuing topics that you do not understand. You really need to get of your high horse, you act like mr know it all and you can't even understand basic bits and bytes.

I told you to go school before you argue with me lol.

Son go discus your secret sauce else where the xbox one can have a 512 bit bus and will mean sh** with its crappy GPU,the bus wight doesn't make out for CU and speed deficiency.

Since when the bus is a flop generator,performance comes from CU not from the bus,if you have a small bus and a power GPU you will bet bottle neck,if you have a weak GPU and a wide bus don't expect miracles that bus will not help the GPU over come its lack of power.

The fact that you still trying to argue that the PS3 has more flops than the PS4 says it all.

dude you really have no clue what you're talking about , you just look up some article but you don't understand the information.

At the memory speeds the hd 7790 runs 256 bit will increase it's performance even with the ddr3 speeds.I know what you're going to say, that's not true. Sadly for you it is. Cards like the gts 250 for instance are 256 bit cards with DDR3 memory. Do you really think they will double the bit rate, increase the price, just for the fun of it.

Not to mention that 256 bit bus is needed to communicate with the esram as well

the ps3 has 2.18 fflops, the ps4 has 2 tflops, that's because the cell cpu on the ps3 was and is still very powerfull, had the machine released a couple years later when a much strong gpu, the system would still be viable today.

Computer class is done, now get outta here with your nonsense

First off, what is an fflop? Second, where are you getting these numbers?

#96 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@Shielder7 said:

@evildead6789 said:

Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up.

WTF are you talking about?

That PS3 number is the CPU and GPU added together which I believe is around 400 total GFlops, or 0.4TFlops. The GPU by itself is ~190 GFlops. The 1.84 TFlops of the PS4 GPU is ~10x that.

I want to know wheres this source that says the PS3 has 1.84 TFlops, no way the PS3 had that much computing power I think you miss placed a decimal point.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/playstation-3-vs-playstation-4-in-depth-spec-comparison/#!bvTzUa

the ps3, back in the day, was bought to build supercomputers.The cpu in the ps3 could do graphical tasks but it is nowhere near the capabilities the ps4 has. As a gaming machine the ps4 is way better, still it has less tflops.

So yeah my point the whole time that tormentos can't seem to understand is that tflops don't represent the gaming capabilities of a console.

#97 Edited by commander (8624 posts) -

@lostrib said:
@evildead6789 said:

@tormentos said:

@evildead6789 said:

Yes the ps3 has more tflops than the ps4, look it up. Tflops don't give the right picture, computational power isn't everything. A supercomputer without 3d acceleration won't run any games and can have the tflops of a dozen ps4's.

The 7790 desktop version has a 128 bit interface. The x1 gpu has a 256 bit interface The double bit rate makes up for the lesser clock speed and lesser cu's. Microsoft did this to avoid bottlenecks with a 128 bit internface.

Stop disccuing topics that you do not understand. You really need to get of your high horse, you act like mr know it all and you can't even understand basic bits and bytes.

I told you to go school before you argue with me lol.

Son go discus your secret sauce else where the xbox one can have a 512 bit bus and will mean sh** with its crappy GPU,the bus wight doesn't make out for CU and speed deficiency.

Since when the bus is a flop generator,performance comes from CU not from the bus,if you have a small bus and a power GPU you will bet bottle neck,if you have a weak GPU and a wide bus don't expect miracles that bus will not help the GPU over come its lack of power.

The fact that you still trying to argue that the PS3 has more flops than the PS4 says it all.

dude you really have no clue what you're talking about , you just look up some article but you don't understand the information.

At the memory speeds the hd 7790 runs 256 bit will increase it's performance even with the ddr3 speeds.I know what you're going to say, that's not true. Sadly for you it is. Cards like the gts 250 for instance are 256 bit cards with DDR3 memory. Do you really think they will double the bit rate, increase the price, just for the fun of it.

Not to mention that 256 bit bus is needed to communicate with the esram as well

the ps3 has 2.18 fflops, the ps4 has 2 tflops, that's because the cell cpu on the ps3 was and is still very powerfull, had the machine released a couple years later when a much strong gpu, the system would still be viable today.

Computer class is done, now get outta here with your nonsense

First off, what is an fflop? Second, where are you getting these numbers?

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/playstation-3-vs-playstation-4-in-depth-spec-comparison/#!bvTzUa

a tflop is a terra flop, zo a billion of flops, a flop is a floating operation point per second

It's a measurement for the computational power of a processing unit chip. The thing is, there's more than one chip in a pc and they're all used for different purposes. A chip can be very strong computational , but if it isn't designed for something like 3d rendering , then it doesn't matter how much tflops it has.

An old 3d card will still be better at rendering a 3d game than a supercomputer that is made to analyze chess matches for example.

#98 Posted by silversix_ (15882 posts) -

It'll be great when it comes out and Xbone doesn't gain over 2fps in DX12 compatible games. Now that would be smexy.

#100 Posted by Boddicker (3054 posts) -

Hardware blunders are forever.