Down And Dirty: Let's Talk Serious Games

Ok, let's all be completely honest here, but also good sports about it.  I'm starting a discussion that I hope will be thought provoking and not and endless stream of Fanboyism gushing through the thread.

First Off:  Xbox 360
I just got done talking to several sales rep at electronics stores about the console wars, and the 360 seemed to be a bit of an underdog.  They all said it sells fine and that it's a nice system, but that it doesn't have any exlusives they were looking forward too.  This is of course directly after the whole DMC4 announcement, and yet I was still surprised.  I felt the 360 had more than solidified itself with the exclusive titles it had from Blue Dragon to Mass Effect to Halo 3 and ect., but they insisted that these games a console sale willnot make (a play on words).

What do you think?  Does the 360 have an honest chance of moving up in the console war, or is it just keeping afloat like the sales reps said?

Second:  Nintendo Wii
It comes to no surprise that the Wii is one of the most popular system, if not The most popular system among the common public (not dedicated gamers).  It's interesting, reliable, and really cheap when compared to the other giants of hardware that it's up against.  The problem is; the console is selling now, but will this "all sold out" reputation stay constant?  As of now the Wii is a nice little console, but it really doesn't have that many "hits" lined up for it, or "exclusives" that people are dying to play.

Your verdict?  Is the Wii actually going to completely outsell the other consoles with its cheap price point, or is it just not good enough to bang with the other two?

Final: Playstation 3
I'll admit it now; I'm a bit of an Xbox fan, but that doesn't mean I haven't played Sony games before or that I haven't played the PS3.  On the contrary, there are actually quite a few games that I enjoy that are Sony titles, and I visit my friend on the weekends to play with the PS3 and all it's neat little features it has.  The problem is, and I've heard this a lot outside of Video Game forums (as in talking to Real people), but many people think the PS3 is way too expensive for what you get, and that there isn't a point to getting it anymore.  One of my friends bought a Wii since he couldn't afford a PS3, but he was a hardcore DMC fan, so he planned to play it at my other friends house when it came out (he said he'd buy it even though he didn't have a PS3).  Now he recently bought a 360 because he found it used for cheap, and just a few days ago he called me yelling about how it's coming out on the 360 and he wouldn't have to worry about it.  When I asked what he was talking about, he said DMC4 was now on the PC and 360 as well.  I didn't believe him till today.  Now what I'm getting at is that the reasons for buying a PS3 are becoming slim, almost to the point at which you simply say "I wanted one, that's why."  because there are so many Sony titles that aren't exclusive anymore, and that just takes away the value of the console.  You bought it for the games, not all the pretty features, right?  Not to say you don't like the features, you just don't spend hours messing with them.  My PS3 friend says he bought it for games that are going to come out later, not games that are coming out now, but when I asked what games, he couldn't tell me any game that I couldn't get on my 360 other than MGS.  He shrugged it off and said there was no difference then, but there is, right?  The 360 simply costs less, unless you buy the HD Drive, then it's the same, but otherwise you're getting a cheaper console with essentially the same games.

I'm trying not to be too biased here, I'm just trying to tell the facts, or at least give you my view on how things look.  I know there are people out there who will play the PS3 and enjoy it, I have no problem with that, I just have a problem when people try to tell me the PS3 is better in one way or another than the 360 when it comes to games.  Every console has its pros and cons, yes, but I really do think that Sony is skating on thin ice right now, with only a few titles under its belt that are famous exclusives, those being God of War, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear Solid.

Do you think that the PS3 is really worth all that money right now as the console stands?  Do you think it will be worth it later, or does it need a price drop sooner than later?

I own a 360, and plan on getting a Wii, I just can't find one, but no matter what I can't justify buying a PS3.  The majority of the games I'll be playing are on my 360, and more than half of them will appear on the PS3 anyway.  I can live without Metal Gear and God of War, or at least that's how I'm looking at it (I never liked FF, but it is an incredibly famous franchise).  Are there other people that see it the other way around?  That there is no point to own a 360 because now the games on both consoles will appear on your PS3 anyway?

Please, give me your thoughts. 

Basically that big wall of text says "don't buy a ps3" because you have a Wii and a 360 and you don't want a ps3. Ok there chief.

Basically that big wall of text says "don't buy a ps3" because you have a Wii and a 360 and you don't want a ps3. Ok there chief.

Nike_Air

Ok, let's all be completely honest here, but also good sports about it. I'm starting a discussion that I hope will be thought provoking and not and endless stream of Fanboyism gushing through the thread.  Good luck with that

First Off: Xbox 360
What do you think? Does the 360 have an honest chance of moving up in the console war, or is it just keeping afloat like the sales reps said?

It's going to move up. Just watch when Halo 3 comes. Remember the Halo 2 release? It was a media event. For a GAME, not a system. And people are still playing Halo 2 to death online, unlike CE.

Second: Nintendo Wii
Your verdict? Is the Wii actually going to completely outsell the other consoles with its cheap price point, or is it just not good enough to bang with the other two?

Will it continue being sold out? Ofcourse not, that will be over in a month. Can it roll with 360 and P3? 360, eventually, P3, maybe if Sony turns this around, and if Home is a huge hit. 

Final: Playstation 3

Give Sony time...they'll realize they need something bigger than Home to bring this around, but don't by any means count them out yet,  or even this year. Brand loyalty didn't get them as far as Cows hoped, so let them secure some exclusives and see where the big titles will take them. Much like the Halo 3 prediction, I think MGS4 will give it a huge boost. It's almost all the Cows have right now for big titles.

Ra-Devil

I think 360 will be the PS2 of this generation. It's attracting the non-hardcore gamer crowd more than the competition, and thats the biggest section by miles. Wii I think will be close, but the kiddy image isn't going anywhere, and too many people are turned off by all the colourful titles on the Wii shelf. And popular series' won't attract it like the other two consoles because the serious Zelda, Mario and Metroid players already have a Wii or are already comitted to getting it. P3 like I said has a chance, but I'm calling that if Sony makes one more slip-up, it will be the GC of this generation. 

This is all on sales, not on quality. I'm not going there....

Great thread btw. Good post, TC. 

Ok, let's all be completely honest here, but also good sports about it. I'm starting a discussion that I hope will be thought provoking and not and endless stream of Fanboyism gushing through the thread.

First Off: Xbox 360
I just got done talking to several sales rep at electronics stores about the console wars, and the 360 seemed to be a bit of an underdog. They all said it sells fine and that it's a nice system, but that it doesn't have any exlusives they were looking forward too. This is of course directly after the whole DMC4 announcement, and yet I was still surprised. I felt the 360 had more than solidified itself with the exclusive titles it had from Blue Dragon to Mass Effect to Halo 3 and ect., but they insisted that these games a console sale willnot make (a play on words).

What do you think? Does the 360 have an honest chance of moving up in the console war, or is it just keeping afloat like the sales reps said?

Second: Nintendo Wii
It comes to no surprise that the Wii is one of the most popular system, if not The most popular system among the common public (not dedicated gamers). It's interesting, reliable, and really cheap when compared to the other giants of hardware that it's up against. The problem is; the console is selling now, but will this "all sold out" reputation stay constant? As of now the Wii is a nice little console, but it really doesn't have that many "hits" lined up for it, or "exclusives" that people are dying to play.

Your verdict? Is the Wii actually going to completely outsell the other consoles with its cheap price point, or is it just not good enough to bang with the other two?

Final: Playstation 3
I'll admit it now; I'm a bit of an Xbox fan, but that doesn't mean I haven't played Sony games before or that I haven't played the PS3. On the contrary, there are actually quite a few games that I enjoy that are Sony titles, and I visit my friend on the weekends to play with the PS3 and all it's neat little features it has. The problem is, and I've heard this a lot outside of Video Game forums (as in talking to Real people), but many people think the PS3 is way too expensive for what you get, and that there isn't a point to getting it anymore. One of my friends bought a Wii since he couldn't afford a PS3, but he was a hardcore DMC fan, so he planned to play it at my other friends house when it came out (he said he'd buy it even though he didn't have a PS3). Now he recently bought a 360 because he found it used for cheap, and just a few days ago he called me yelling about how it's coming out on the 360 and he wouldn't have to worry about it. When I asked what he was talking about, he said DMC4 was now on the PC and 360 as well. I didn't believe him till today. Now what I'm getting at is that the reasons for buying a PS3 are becoming slim, almost to the point at which you simply say "I wanted one, that's why." because there are so many Sony titles that aren't exclusive anymore, and that just takes away the value of the console. You bought it for the games, not all the pretty features, right? Not to say you don't like the features, you just don't spend hours messing with them. My PS3 friend says he bought it for games that are going to come out later, not games that are coming out now, but when I asked what games, he couldn't tell me any game that I couldn't get on my 360 other than MGS. He shrugged it off and said there was no difference then, but there is, right? The 360 simply costs less, unless you buy the HD Drive, then it's the same, but otherwise you're getting a cheaper console with essentially the same games.

I'm trying not to be too biased here, I'm just trying to tell the facts, or at least give you my view on how things look. I know there are people out there who will play the PS3 and enjoy it, I have no problem with that, I just have a problem when people try to tell me the PS3 is better in one way or another than the 360 when it comes to games. Every console has its pros and cons, yes, but I really do think that Sony is skating on thin ice right now, with only a few titles under its belt that are famous exclusives, those being God of War, Final Fantasy, and Metal Gear Solid.

Do you think that the PS3 is really worth all that money right now as the console stands? Do you think it will be worth it later, or does it need a price drop sooner than later?

I own a 360, and plan on getting a Wii, I just can't find one, but no matter what I can't justify buying a PS3. The majority of the games I'll be playing are on my 360, and more than half of them will appear on the PS3 anyway. I can live without Metal Gear and God of War, or at least that's how I'm looking at it (I never liked FF, but it is an incredibly famous franchise). Are there other people that see it the other way around? That there is no point to own a 360 because now the games on both consoles will appear on your PS3 anyway?

Please, give me your thoughts.

Ra-Devil

It's attracting the non-hardcore gamer crowd more than the competition, and thats the biggest section by miles.Caramel_Fantasy

ROFLMAOOO

I think the most shocking thing that keeps being ignored is the feeling that sony fans want , from an exclusive game. That feeling of dominance, when you tell someone " this cant be done on the 360 ". That feeling is one that is really great when it comes to home console's. It is due to the fact that the hardware doesnt change. ( aside from the zephyr. lets face it, it's coming. ) But the gaming function remains the same. So for that set amount of years, you know your console is the alpha . Well the more and more PS3 exclusives leave the more the feeling of " your 360 cant do that " goes away. The more it becomes uncomfortable to say that phrase, because your not sure your right. This will also be felt in Microsoft's camp. Dont think Sony is the only one that will be wounded this gen. The industry is about who is bigger or better. Being the better showman, the better show to attend. We are all the conductors of the richest entertainment medium in the entire world. What we buy matters. The exclusives are not leaving because MIcrosoft opened it's pocket. ( well most of them ). It's buisness. The games cost money, so you search for the best return on your investment. simple math boys and girls. The 360 represents the best chance of reaching a wide a vast audience. So if you need to fund your development house, you'll make a logical choice. The PS3 will have a larger base eventually, and they may secure more exclusive's at that point and time. you can take this for what it is, or just the babbling of a mad man. But it dont take a psychic to see the future of gaming. It already resembles the past. akuma303x

[QUOTE="akuma303x"]I think the most shocking thing that keeps being ignored is the feeling that sony fans want , from an exclusive game. That feeling of dominance, when you tell someone " this cant be done on the 360 ". That feeling is one that is really great when it comes to home console's. It is due to the fact that the hardware doesnt change. ( aside from the zephyr. lets face it, it's coming. ) But the gaming function remains the same. So for that set amount of years, you know your console is the alpha . Well the more and more PS3 exclusives leave the more the feeling of " your 360 cant do that " goes away. The more it becomes uncomfortable to say that phrase, because your not sure your right. This will also be felt in Microsoft's camp. Dont think Sony is the only one that will be wounded this gen. The industry is about who is bigger or better. Being the better showman, the better show to attend. We are all the conductors of the richest entertainment medium in the entire world. What we buy matters. The exclusives are not leaving because MIcrosoft opened it's pocket. ( well most of them ). It's buisness. The games cost money, so you search for the best return on your investment. simple math boys and girls. The 360 represents the best chance of reaching a wide a vast audience. So if you need to fund your development house, you'll make a logical choice. The PS3 will have a larger base eventually, and they may secure more exclusive's at that point and time. you can take this for what it is, or just the babbling of a mad man. But it dont take a psychic to see the future of gaming. It already resembles the past. mastarifla