Does Xbone's U-turn make Wii U an appealing alternative?

#1 Edited by Salt_The_Fries (10071 posts) -

Since Xbox One failed to become an all-in-one entertainment hub MS envisioned it to be, and thus PS4 and X1 have now become very similar to each other, don't you think in this light Wii U might not be as unappealing as it had been previously doomed to be? It's still its own thing, for better and for worse.

Xbox One will never catch up nor overtake PS4 graphically, and even at its best PS4 will never prove to be a decent competitor for PC.*

So if we accept those things, then does Wii U have anything to be ashamed of, especially in 2014 when it has multiple promising upcoming games?

*edited accordingly to prevent further grasping at straws

#2 Posted by misterpmedia (4497 posts) -

The only thing that makes the WiiU appealing is Bayonetta 2.

#3 Posted by freedomfreak (43594 posts) -

If anything, I find the Xbox One more appealing now.

#4 Posted by AdobeArtist (23044 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

If anything, I find the Xbox One more appealing now.

Same here.

#5 Posted by GrenadeLauncher (6256 posts) -

PS4/Wii U was always the way to go this gen.

#6 Edited by DJ-Lafleur (34323 posts) -

I don't see how it does. If anything I would imagine the "U-turn" would make the Xbone more appealing to more people than the Wii U.

#8 Posted by Couth_ (10333 posts) -

Xbone should have been a 4tflop system for $500. Would have been so live..lol at Wii u

#9 Posted by hatecalledlove (1320 posts) -

@AdobeArtist: Agreed, I didn't want a One because of the extra cost of the Kinect. something I have no use for.

#11 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (5243 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

PS4/Wii U was always the way to go this gen.

PC-Wii U imo.

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On topic, IDK. But at least I respect Nintendo more for sticking with their vision.

Just lost SO much respect for MS for being so weak, dropping everything after six months. Is there anything left from their vision at the last e3?

#12 Posted by sHaDyCuBe321 (4272 posts) -

@Couth_: you're laughing at the Wii U yet you use words like "live" to indicate how good something is. Lol at you

#13 Posted by asylumni (2270 posts) -

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

#14 Posted by lundy86_4 (44336 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

If anything, I find the Xbox One more appealing now.

Yup.

MS made some good decisions lately.

#15 Edited by Idontremember (934 posts) -

Nop, even with the failures MS had, the One was still MUCH better than the WiiU.

But like others said, the One is more appealing now. More than a year ago for sure, compared to the PS4, it's a good debate. Completely different mentality with Mattrick gone.

With crazy ideas like this one:click, MS sure has some sweet ideas in mind.

MS is FAR from dead. And I want Halo 5 :)

#16 Posted by Couth_ (10333 posts) -

@sHaDyCuBe321 said:

@Couth_: you're laughing at the Wii U yet you use words like "live" to indicate how good something is. Lol at you

You are laughing at me over the internet over my choice of words. Lol at you

#17 Edited by Riverwolf007 (24189 posts) -

y'know i hate to kick a guy when he is down but i can't imagine anything making the wiiu appealing.

even if a game comes out that i am interested in the damn thing is still ham stringed by that horrible pad controller.

#18 Posted by CyberLips (1824 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

If anything, I find the Xbox One more appealing now.

I, on the other hand, find it less appealing. MS showed that the Kinect is not essential to the X1, it has nothing going for it now.

#19 Posted by freedomfreak (43594 posts) -
@CyberLips said:

I, on the other hand, find it less appealing. MS showed that the Kinect is not essential to the X1, it has nothing going for it now.

Well, I never really cared much for the Kinect. There are games that I want though, and it's cheaper to get 'em now.

#20 Posted by Celsius765 (772 posts) -

It is or it will be if Nintendo has a good E3. From what I've learned Nintendo is renting 3 booths instead of 1 supposedly (please no "b-but the nintendy isn't gon b at e3) , if the rumors are true this E3 might be huge

#21 Edited by SolidTy (45939 posts) -

@asylumni said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

Same. I would like documentation on what I read now as hyperbole to internally justify feelings for a favorite brand.

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EDIT for the less fortunate: Read between the lines. When I'm referring to "brand" above, I'm not talking about PC, lulz.

#22 Posted by inb4uall (6519 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

PS4/Wii U was always the way to go this gen.

PC/WiiU. lolPS4

#23 Posted by inb4uall (6519 posts) -

@SolidTy said:

@asylumni said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

Same. I would like documentation on what I read now as hyperbole to internally justify feelings for a favorite brand.

Last I checked, PC stood for personal computer and was not a brand.

#24 Edited by Salt_The_Fries (10071 posts) -

@SolidTy Why jump to such a conclusion if I said that Xbox one will never catch up to it let alone overtake it? I'd like to have an thorough graph of your cognitive process at the exact moment you concocted such a bullshit thought. I want to have it by yesterday.

#25 Posted by SolidTy (45939 posts) -

@inb4uall said:

@SolidTy said:

@asylumni said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

Same. I would like documentation on what I read now as hyperbole to internally justify feelings for a favorite brand.

Last I checked, PC stood for personal computer and was not a brand.

Last I checked, I wasn't talking about PC but about a favorite brand of the TC.

#26 Edited by SolidTy (45939 posts) -
@SolidTy said:

@asylumni said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

Same. I would like documentation on what I read now as hyperbole to internally justify feelings for a favorite brand.

@Salt_The_Fries said:

@SolidTy Why jump to such a conclusion if I said that Xbox one will never catch up to it let alone overtake it? I'd like to have an thorough graph of your cognitive process at the exact moment you concocted such a bullshit thought. I want to have it by yesterday.

Your OP jumped to a conclusion regarding "...at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013".

Documentation s'il vous plaît.

#27 Posted by Ghost120x (4182 posts) -

Mario kart 8 = xbox -1.

#28 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (10071 posts) -

Don't you dare to accuse me of favouritism if I had stated at the very beginning that X1 is inferior to PS4 hardware-wise. The very fact that your feelings got hurt and you started to go all-defensive when I made a comparison whose purpose was not to precisely say how much inferior PS4 is but to emphasize the fact that PS4 (just like any other console) was already outdated at the moment of release - speaks volumes about something.

#29 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (10071 posts) -

This is childish ridiculous nonsense I refuse to be part of. I've just had a blast seeing Thurston Moore and my mood won't be spoiled in some grasping at straws contest. FYI when I said "below average" I meant it only very slightly. originally I wanted to say just "average".

#30 Posted by ConanTheStoner (7567 posts) -

I haven't turned on the Wii U in a couple of months.

Still a better love story than Xbone.

#31 Edited by SolidTy (45939 posts) -

@Salt_The_Fries said:

Don't you dare to accuse me of favouritism if I had stated at the very beginning that X1 is inferior to PS4 hardware-wise. The very fact that your feelings got hurt and you started to go all-defensive when I made a comparison whose purpose was not to precisely say how much inferior PS4 is but to emphasize the fact that PS4 (just like any other console) was already outdated at the moment of release - speaks volumes about something.

Your statement in the OP was merely a back-handed compliment then cites no documentation for this statement:

"...at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013".

Documentation por favor. It's true there are feelings involved, but they aren't mine. I see emotion with your every response due to you choosing to use an exaggeration with no citation and being called out for it. You have yet to cite your source for this statement:

"...at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013". I will also point out I merely quoted someone else who also asked for a citation/backing information on your what I can only assume to be a made up statistic. You have failed us both.

I will quote him below:

@asylumni said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

The point is thus:

The entire foundation of this thread was predicated on a what seems to be a made up statistic that you have failed to cite. When asked to cite, you did not comply. I added spice in the mix in hopes you would comply, and still we see you will not comply. It seems that stat you have in the OP was made up. I can only surmise on why you are acting out until you cite your what seems to be a made up statistic in the OP.

"...at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013".

#32 Edited by SolidTy (45939 posts) -
@Salt_The_Fries said:

This is childish ridiculous nonsense I refuse to be part of. I've just had a blast seeing Thurston Moore and my mood won't be spoiled in some grasping at straws contest. FYI when I said "below average" I meant it only very slightly. originally I wanted to say just "average".

Apologies for getting you worked up. I never imagined you would respond after I saw the original person I quoted not getting a reply.

Sonic Youth is good stuff. With regards to the OP, all I ever wanted was a source for that statement. You have provided one in this sentence by your own admission and for that I wish you a jolly evening, on this Sunday. I still have to clean my rather ripped and dirty boots that have goo on them due to my sister, and fix my washing machine while there is still daylight.

Don't want to start a Teenage Riot in this thread after all.

#33 Edited by clr84651 (5546 posts) -

How would a crappy car (Wii U) look more appealing because a better car got a feature changed in it (X1)?!

I have a very good car the PS4. ;)

#34 Edited by Gue1 (11427 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

The only thing that makes the WiiU appealing is Bayonetta 2.

and X and Fire Emblem X SMT and Zelda and Metroid. But at the end, the PS4 will end up having more of these type of games anyway. That's why I'm not compelled to drop $300 on a Wii U.

#35 Edited by Kjranu (1284 posts) -

I think we're going back to the sixth generation. Wii U will be a Mario, Zelda console. Xbox One will be a Halo console. PS4 will be for best exclusives and multiplatforms (unless you have a great PC rig, and the game is released on PC, too). One thing changed though, is that PS4 is the most powerful machine on the market. It used to be Microsoft who had the most powerful system, Nintendo second powerful, and Sony with the weakest hardware. That's tilted in Sony's favor this time round. It's helped them with PR, because third party developers don't want to keep their games exclusive to a single console anymore (unless you're Microsoft with pockets deep enough to bribe developers). Having a system on the market that is most powerful matters now as it helps with PR on a Goebbels-like magnitude. ;)

#36 Edited by santoron (8058 posts) -

Nope. At this point I don't think anything will make the WiiU truly appealing as a game platform to those that aren't swayed by Nintendo staples. I mean, will anyone be shocked when the next Zelda and Mario games are announced? Of course not, we knew they were gonna make Zelda and Mario games for their console before we knew what their next console was.

Best plan for Nintendo now is to control costs in the near term to minimize losses, and get a new machine prepped for 2016.

#37 Posted by locopatho (21060 posts) -

The WiiU has the least good games, the weakest hardware, the worst graphics and sound, the worst online, and the worst account system (actually matters in an age of digital sales, DL only games and DLC).

It's appealing for first party games and free online (if anyone actually plays it). Even the battered mess that is the Xbox One is more appealing, and PS4 is obviously still around as the best console.

#38 Edited by lamprey263 (25608 posts) -

The other next gen consoles aren't that much more than a Wii U, I think Nintendo is trying to sweeten the deal with throwing in games with their console. The Mario Kart bundle comes with two games, Mario Kart and a code for Zelda, Pikmin, or New Super Mario Bros U, that kind of bring the price of the console itself near the $200 market. It costs nothing but potential sales to throw in games, to cut the price of hardware though will cost Nintendo more. Bundle IMO are the probably the least costly way to gain leverage with consumers. I wonder if MS and Sony might start to go that route now that their prices are gonna be matched.

#39 Posted by stuff238 (950 posts) -

Xbone keeps on changing it`s vision. I have no idea what to think anymore.

#40 Edited by LadyBlue (3985 posts) -

Even with weaker specs the wiiu is a lot more appealing, unlike the xbox it has an amazing exclusive lineup.

#41 Posted by DocSanchez (2373 posts) -

No. Nintendo's console is going to appeal to the same people it always was going to. The hardcore Nintendo fans. No others are going to get on board, because what are they going to get?

If I wasn't over enamoured with the classic Nintendo franchises why would I buy one? If I was I would have one already.

The dwindling numbers of people willing to buy a console just for a few well worn franchises must be alarming for Nintendo but they are ran so poorly that they can't see how to address the issue. Clue for you, it isn't bring out a weak console that will miss out on the multiplats by default, and fail to support it with anything other than the narrow IPs you already have.

#42 Posted by Bigboi500 (31309 posts) -

@GrenadeLauncher said:

PS4/Wii U was always the way to go this gen.

#43 Edited by asylumni (2270 posts) -

@Salt_The_Fries said:

Don't you dare to accuse me of favouritism if I had stated at the very beginning that X1 is inferior to PS4 hardware-wise. The very fact that your feelings got hurt and you started to go all-defensive when I made a comparison whose purpose was not to precisely say how much inferior PS4 is but to emphasize the fact that PS4 (just like any other console) was already outdated at the moment of release - speaks volumes about something.

Wow, no need to get salty. So it was a glib comment to call the PS4 "outdated". So let's explore this. Here's the definition of outdated;

: no longer useful or acceptable : not modern or current

Well, the PS4 is useful and acceptable. It just released, so it's also modern and current. So how is it outdated?

@Salt_The_Fries said:

This is childish ridiculous nonsense I refuse to be part of. I've just had a blast seeing Thurston Moore and my mood won't be spoiled in some grasping at straws contest. FYI when I said "below average" I meant it only very slightly. originally I wanted to say just "average".

Great. Clear as mud. So when you say the PS4 is outdated, then does that mean that the majority of PC's are outdated as well? And if that's the case, then so what? Why would it only be remarkable for the PS4? And what is this "average PC"? Is it this?

The Unity survey that has the most common parts being a 4 thread CPU at 47.1% (Intel leads at 74.5%) with 4GB RAM at 38.7% running Win 7 at 57.7%. GPU gets a little funny, though. Nvidia leads the vendors with 45.4% and series with the 6xx series at 12.3% (which covers GPU's below, at, and far above the PS4 GPU levels). But, the top 10 chips are;

  • Intel HD 4000: 7.7%
  • Intel GMA HD: 5.0%
  • Intel HD 2000: 4.0%
  • GeForce GT 650: 3.3%
  • GeForce GTX 660: 3.2%
  • GeForce GTX 560: 3.0%
  • Intel HD 3000: 2.9%
  • Intel G45 (GMA X4500): 2.4%
  • GeForce 9800/GTS250: 2.3%
  • GeForce GTX 550: 2.2%

There's not even a halfway decent GPU metric like with the CPU since DX compatibility (DX11 wins at 61.3%) doesn't really speak to chip capability. So I'm not really sure what the "average PC" really is.

#44 Edited by Sollet (7577 posts) -

Wii U will always be more appealing to me due to it's exclusives.

#45 Posted by STEAMSBL0WSSAX (80 posts) -

nintendo needs better fucking games it's that simple, they just dont have the software support anymore even nintendo's first party is making shit games no longtime nintendo fan wants.

#46 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (10071 posts) -

@SolidTy Starting a teenage riot would've been rather EVOL and most definitely not a kool thing.

#47 Edited by B4X (5660 posts) -

No, Nintendo needs multi-plats to be more relevant.

#48 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (9017 posts) -

The Wii U had a year head start into next gen. If it wasn't appealing as a sole choice then it certainly isnt now with two great competitors.

#49 Edited by zeeshanhaider (2889 posts) -

@SolidTy said:

@asylumni said:

@Salt_The_Fries said:
... at its best PS4 will be gimped lower than average PC from 2013?

I'm curious as to where you're deriving this from. What is the average PC from 2013? Do you have any backing information?

Same. I would like documentation on what I read now as hyperbole to internally justify feelings for a favorite brand.

Might have something to do with the cheap ass tablet CPU and a GPU barely matching a GTX 570 from 2010 which was sadly a midrange card. I think 2010-2011 midrange PC would be more appropriate than a 2013 one.

And I didn't know PC was a brand. I thought it stands for Personal Computer. Silly me.

#50 Edited by Shewgenja (11030 posts) -

What really remains to be seen is how many unique games the XBone will have. So far, it has little to differentiate itself from the superior PS4 thus making the PS4 an obvious choice. However, reason stands that if the XBox can get more appealing exclusives than the Wii-U, then it is still a better buy.

This all looks doubtful. WiiU is supposed to have an enormous E3 this year. MS is fighting uphill, that is a fact.