Does anyone remember the bit wars?

This topic is locked from further discussion.

#1 Posted by Jd1680a (5921 posts) -

Back in the day, Nintendo is trying to sell the Super Nintendo and they use the term 16 bit. They didn't list what kind of hardware it has, since most kids at the time didnt really care. We just wanted better graphics then what we saw with NES.

The Atari marketed the Jaguar as 32 bit, something is better then Genesis and Super Nintendo. This is probably when we realized that bits is irrelevent when Nintendo put out Star Fox and Donkey Kong Country.

I bring this up because I notice the same thing happening with PS4 and Xbox One. Like suddenly the type of memory is important for argument sake which system is better.

#2 Posted by AppleFan1991 (3037 posts) -

Time and time again, the console with the best library of games that are the most fun wins. The best graphics or most power rarely means a win in the console wars. It's who has the best games that are the most fun.

#3 Edited by SolidTy (42450 posts) -

I remember those 16-bit wars and before that era (Atari 2600, 5200, 7600, Intellivision, NES, Sega Master System, Coleco, etc). However, when it comes to performance, there are metrics to use. Even when it came to SNES/Genesis/Atari there were ways to measure performance.The Genesis came out first, and in most respects was bested technologically speaking by the later released SNES. That's okay though, great games on both machines.

I understand what you might be getting at with regards to surprises, but the PS4/Xbone are measured in more than merely memory (I assume you are talking RAM). Also, these newest machines are more far more like PCs than ever before eliminating the 'surprise factor' and 'hidden power' we saw from previous generations. There will of course be better looking games as the generation goes on and we see less eliminate cross-generational multiplats.

To be honest, your post comes across as something I saw before the Xbone/PS4 released and people were guessing which machine would have the better performance. Again though, we are WELL beyond that point.

#4 Posted by Solid_Max13 (3527 posts) -

Bit wars were fun! Sega does what Nintendont and has that hyper realistic fast speed chip LOL oh god those were the days.

#5 Edited by glez13 (8675 posts) -

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

#6 Edited by DJ-Lafleur (34144 posts) -

I was never involved in them myself, no. I was probably in Kindergarten or early elementary school during the time the bit wars happened.

I didn't really notice any kind of "console wars" until the 6th gen of gaming, around when I started actually using internet forums.

#7 Edited by RossRichard (2337 posts) -

You are right, it is always about the games. What is more significant than system power is sales, since the system that sells the most always ends up with the best library (unless they were targeting casual gamers specifically, anyway).

#8 Posted by glez13 (8675 posts) -

Bit wars were fun! Sega does what Nintendont and has that hyper realistic fast speed chip LOL oh god those were the days.

Blast Processing enables high definition graphics! O.O

#9 Posted by ratchet_usa (364 posts) -

Yeah one of the worst mistakes nintendo could make is call every damn tittle with the 64 at the end. mario 64? start fox 64? wario 64? OH my god what an abysmal marketing service that is. Anyway this mistake eventually help nintendo become the joke of the gaming industry. The Sony PSX even though 32bit, it murdered and n64 3:1 in sales. As a new comer, Sony made history by destroying the all mighty and legendary nintendo.

#10 Posted by TigerSuperman (1984 posts) -
@glez13 said:

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

It still is a 64bit graphical machine though. Not that it matters, I though all the kids who though bits meant anything were dumb but then when the parents started to think bits meant something, well, nothing I could do. Tried to explain why bits did not matter back in those days, but Sega kept on going. NEC didn't help things much either even though they were losing.

#11 Posted by cainetao11 (16894 posts) -

@WadeFan:

But one also has to define "win". I, personally don't believe the Wii had the best library, but it moved the most hardware last gen. For me, the best library was the 360.

#12 Posted by Solid_Max13 (3527 posts) -

@glez13 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

Bit wars were fun! Sega does what Nintendont and has that hyper realistic fast speed chip LOL oh god those were the days.

Blast Processing enables high definition graphics! O.O

Yesssss!!! That's it!!! lol

#13 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (13427 posts) -

The bit wars were great, if we could see another rivalry in the same vein as what the genesis and Snes had I'd be super excited.

Hell, Just give me another Ps2 vs Xbox. Which honestly seems like it'll happen already.

#14 Posted by TigerSuperman (1984 posts) -

@WadeFan said:

Time and time again, the console with the best library of games that are the most fun wins. The best graphics or most power rarely means a win in the console wars. It's who has the best games that are the most fun.

Nintendo Wii.

#15 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (10284 posts) -

Didn't have internet have internet back then. Didn't have to hear gamers drivel about "Teh Bit King" can you imagine the how annying flamewars wouldve been back then ?

damn I miss Battle Toads.

#16 Posted by AppleFan1991 (3037 posts) -

@cainetao11: @TigerSuperman: that's a good example. But I did say the best library or the games that are the most fun. I agree 100% about the 360 having the better library, however, one could argue that the Wii had a library that was more "fun". I'm not saying that's the case, I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

#17 Edited by foxhound_fox (87690 posts) -

I'm 27, of course I do.

I also know that the "graphics war" has never gone away, just changed forms.

#18 Edited by freedomfreak (39185 posts) -

No. No, I do not.

#19 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

The bitwars were cock. People carry on their legacy to this day. Specs don't matter. Only games matter.

#20 Posted by _Matt_ (8868 posts) -

No, you're making me feel young.

#21 Posted by Allicrombie (25128 posts) -
#22 Posted by AcidTango (533 posts) -

I never cared of the term bit wars. In fact I don't remember any one when I was a kid who used that term. All I knew was that the SNES and Genesis were two awesome consoles that both had great games. I miss those days.

#23 Posted by Boddicker (2518 posts) -

@glez13 said:

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

I thought it was proven that it had two 32-bit chips together.

I'm too lazy to google it.

#24 Posted by Kuromino (1260 posts) -

@glez13 said:

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

I thought it was proven that it had two 32-bit chips together.

I'm too lazy to google it.

The wikipedia entry for the Jaguar confirms that it is two 32-bit chips.

#25 Posted by Boddicker (2518 posts) -

@Kuromino said:
@Boddicker said:

@glez13 said:

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

I thought it was proven that it had two 32-bit chips together.

I'm too lazy to google it.

The wikipedia entry for the Jaguar confirms that it is two 32-bit chips.

So how do bits work?

Does 32+32=64 work or is it all bullshit?

#26 Posted by GunSmith1_basic (9763 posts) -

Sega started the bit wars. They marketed their console as 16 bit vs. 8 bit NES. Sega does what Nintendon't.

I was wrapped up in it to. I didn't even notice that the SNES sound chip obliterated the Genesis one. The bits were a good way to create a general understanding of the tech evolution though. Oversimplified, sure, but still showed something.

#27 Posted by locopatho (20177 posts) -

@Kuromino said:
@Boddicker said:

@glez13 said:

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

I thought it was proven that it had two 32-bit chips together.

I'm too lazy to google it.

The wikipedia entry for the Jaguar confirms that it is two 32-bit chips.

So how do bits work?

Does 32+32=64 work or is it all bullshit?

Two 32 bit chips don't really equal 64. It's like two cars that go 50mph. They don't go 100mph together. It's better than one 50mph car though :)

#28 Edited by SolidTy (42450 posts) -

@AcidTango said:

I never cared of the term bit wars. In fact I don't remember any one when I was a kid who used that term. All I knew was that the SNES and Genesis were two awesome consoles that both had great games. I miss those days.

As far as I know, no one used the actual phrase 'Bit Wars' back then either...but there was an emphasis on bits.

#29 Edited by Boddicker (2518 posts) -

@Boddicker said:

@Kuromino said:
@Boddicker said:

@glez13 said:

The Jaguar was marketed as 64-bit. But then it was revealed that it was as 64bit as 600Hz TV's or "X"GB HDD's.

I thought it was proven that it had two 32-bit chips together.

I'm too lazy to google it.

The wikipedia entry for the Jaguar confirms that it is two 32-bit chips.

So how do bits work?

Does 32+32=64 work or is it all bullshit?

Two 32 bit chips don't really equal 64. It's like two cars that go 50mph. They don't go 100mph together. It's better than one 50mph car though :)

That's what I thought.

#30 Posted by blackace (20287 posts) -

@Jd1680a said:

Back in the day, Nintendo is trying to sell the Super Nintendo and they use the term 16 bit. They didn't list what kind of hardware it has, since most kids at the time didnt really care. We just wanted better graphics then what we saw with NES.

The Atari marketed the Jaguar as 32 bit, something is better then Genesis and Super Nintendo. This is probably when we realized that bits is irrelevent when Nintendo put out Star Fox and Donkey Kong Country.

I bring this up because I notice the same thing happening with PS4 and Xbox One. Like suddenly the type of memory is important for argument sake which system is better.

Yeah, i remember. It was all pretty meaningless to me as I cared more about the games that would be released on the systems. When I first saw the Jaguar at the E3 I just laughed. The controller was terrible and most of the games looked like crap. Only game worth playing was Alien vs Predator. The 3DO actually had a few decent games, but the controller was almost as bad as the Jaguar's.

#31 Posted by lundy86_4 (43009 posts) -

@WadeFan said:

Time and time again, the console with the best library of games that are the most fun wins. The best graphics or most power rarely means a win in the console wars. It's who has the best games that are the most fun.

Hard to argue with this. Nail the library, and you're set for the long run.

#32 Posted by kingjazziephiz (2406 posts) -

Nope. I'm not old enough to remember that.

#33 Posted by cainetao11 (16894 posts) -

@WadeFan:

Understood. That's why sales are the only way to call a winner. Games value and enjoyment is completely subjective, sales are factual numbers.

#34 Posted by treedoor (7648 posts) -

I never cared of the term bit wars. In fact I don't remember any one when I was a kid who used that term. All I knew was that the SNES and Genesis were two awesome consoles that both had great games. I miss those days.

Same.

You could easily list dozens upon dozens of awesome exclusive games for both the SNES and Genesis, and the libraries were quite unique from one another.

Nowadays the Xbox and Playstation share the vast majority of their games, and there are so few exclusives, and even fewer unique ones actually worth buying.

#35 Posted by AcidTango (533 posts) -

@treedoor said:

@AcidTango said:

I never cared of the term bit wars. In fact I don't remember any one when I was a kid who used that term. All I knew was that the SNES and Genesis were two awesome consoles that both had great games. I miss those days.

Same.

You could easily list dozens upon dozens of awesome exclusive games for both the SNES and Genesis, and the libraries were quite unique from one another.

Nowadays the Xbox and Playstation share the vast majority of their games, and there are so few exclusives, and even fewer unique ones actually worth buying.

I agree with you here. Both system not only had great first party exclusives but also a lot of 3rd party exclusives as well such as the SNES having Castlevania IV and Contra III while the Genesis had Castlevania Bloodlines and Contra Hard Corps which gave you a reason to want to play both consoles for their own unique games. And they had their own genres such as the SNES having the most rpgs and the Genesis having the most sports games.

Now with the new current gen all people talk about is the resolutions and fps. And the fact that all they have now is first party exclusives which is the only reason to play on both of them because if you're mostly into 3rd party games then why bother to buy both the PS4 and XBO if they both have the same games then.