Do the console gamers have misconceptions of pc?

#1 Edited by uninspiredcup (6981 posts) -

Every time a console gamer talks about pc they bring this up.

With the Praysration 4's and the XboxOne, isn't the difference in visuals not negotiable to the point of "who gives a shit"?

Wouldn't an argument of the pc's strengths over consoles be that, rather than movie games with barely any gameplay

It can utilize the mouse and keyboard as "learning forward on a chair" as opposed to "learning back on a couch" nature to produce mature sophisticated games well above what consoles can, or will ever produce?

Do the main two consoles even have "sophisticated" games with "depth" "learning curve" or "complexity"?

#2 Edited by CrownKingArthur (3812 posts) -

mate nobody gets it like you and I.

#3 Edited by MonsieurX (28787 posts) -

Every time you make a thread,I think of this

#4 Posted by PannicAtack (20862 posts) -

My favorite one is when people think that digital distribution means you lose all your games if your computer crashes.

#5 Edited by m3dude1 (860 posts) -

the total war series is an example of the broken, buggy, and seemingly unfinished games you regularly find only on pc

#6 Posted by BldgIrsh (810 posts) -

I'm just patiently waiting for AmazonAngry's thread. It's gonna be loads of fun.

#7 Edited by lazerface216 (7449 posts) -

do pc gamers have misconceptions of consoles? so many questions in this world...

#8 Edited by edwardecl (1806 posts) -

Well this thread is shit,

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

But yes generally Pc has more strategy games, but that is only one game type.

#9 Edited by lostrib (31865 posts) -
@uninspiredcup said:

Do the console gamers have misconceptions of pc?

Every time a console gamer talks about pc they bring this up.

So in other words, you?

@uninspiredcup said:

As primarily a console gamer I find pc gamers very amusing.

@uninspiredcup said:

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I agree 100%.

#10 Posted by PsychoLemons (1920 posts) -

Doesn't everyone have misconceptions and misblame as well?

#11 Edited by uninspiredcup (6981 posts) -
@edwardecl said:

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

My freind, you seem to be missing the point of the point, you bring up, regarding my point.

It is not simply a case of hardware, it's an ecosystem. PC breeds intellectual games for intellectuals.

Consoles (as in the Xbox and Playstation) are now, primarily, movie games. i.e. barely games... Because thats (as you say) what they want. The nature of a beast. A loin eating wildebeest because god programmed it too. PC a whale, the most intelligent shark in the ocean.

#12 Edited by BldgIrsh (810 posts) -

@lostrib said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Do the console gamers have misconceptions of pc?

Every time a console gamer talks about pc they bring this up.

So in other words, you?

@uninspiredcup said:

As primarily a console gamer I find pc gamers very amusing.

@uninspiredcup said:

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I agree 100%.

/thread

#13 Edited by edwardecl (1806 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:
@edwardecl said:

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

My freind, you seem to be missing the point of the point, you bring up, regarding my point.

It is not simply a case of hardware, it's an ecosystem. PC breeds intellectual games for intellectuals.

Consoles (as in the Xbox and Playstation) are now, primarily, movie games. i.e. barely games

Dragon's Dogma and Demon's Souls are movie games?

I'm not even going to bother listing any more games that are not movie games. You have a point with the lack of strategy games though, and unique games like Mount & Blade. But still there is no reason why developers can't port these games to console and still use a mouse and keyboard. I might be in the minority but I play my PS3 and PC through the same TV with the same control pad and there is no reason I couldn't plug in a mouse and keyboard and have the exact same experience if i wanted to, if the devs bothered adding the option that is.

#14 Edited by uninspiredcup (6981 posts) -

@PsychoLemons said:

Doesn't everyone have misconceptions and misblame as well?

Very true. Even just looking at a few of the posts, it's very George bush you either with us or against us.

The world is complex and we are all indeevigual with varying interests and tastes.

Some people like movies games. Some people own pc's and consoles.

consoles are pc's are different and that's great. However, I feel the argument both (console gamers and pc gamers make) with graphics, is "who gives a shit". Incredibly minimal. The people, they ignore the gameplay.

#15 Edited by lostrib (31865 posts) -

@edwardecl said:

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

My freind, you seem to be missing the point of the point, you bring up, regarding my point.

It is not simply a case of hardware, it's an ecosystem. PC breeds intellectual games for intellectuals.

Consoles (as in the Xbox and Playstation) are now, primarily, movie games. i.e. barely games... Because thats (as you say) what they want. The nature of a beast. A loin eating wildebeest because god programmed it too. PC a whale, the most intelligent shark in the ocean.

WTF are you talking about?

#16 Posted by edwardecl (1806 posts) -

@lostrib: I know how are you supposed to argue with that :/.

#17 Edited by uninspiredcup (6981 posts) -

@edwardecl said:

@uninspiredcup said:
@edwardecl said:

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

My freind, you seem to be missing the point of the point, you bring up, regarding my point.

It is not simply a case of hardware, it's an ecosystem. PC breeds intellectual games for intellectuals.

Consoles (as in the Xbox and Playstation) are now, primarily, movie games. i.e. barely games

Dragon's Dogma and Demon's Souls are movie games?

I'm not even going to bother listing any more games that are not movie games. You have a point with the lack of strategy games though, and unique games like Mount & Blade. But still there is no reason why developers can't port these games to console and still use a mouse and keyboard. I might be in the minority but I play my PS3 and PC through the same TV with the same control pad and there is no reason I couldn't plug in a mouse and keyboard and have the exact same experience if i wanted to, if the devs bothered adding the option that is.

Darksouls plays like a pc game. Partly the reason pc gamers petitioned for it.

Sold very poor on xbox. .

#18 Posted by Zassimick (6165 posts) -

i am ignorant and would like to remain ignorant. Ungamed 2: Among Movies is one of my favorites.

#19 Edited by edwardecl (1806 posts) -

I really don't see the difference between PC and Console games, they are more or less the same thing to me. The input method should not define something, I play many PC games with a controller, and it is a shame 99% of devs do not allow mouse & keyboard even if the PC version has both.

And there are lots and lots of games that are not movie games, you've just been looking at the wrong ones. Most of the games that come to PC are multi-plats for a start so are you saying those games are movie games also, I don't get it. You could say all point and click adventure games on PC are movie games because it does not have much game play other then clicking on stuff, does it make it a bad game?

#20 Edited by lazerface216 (7449 posts) -

@edwardecl said:

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

My freind, you seem to be missing the point of the point, you bring up, regarding my point.

It is not simply a case of hardware, it's an ecosystem. PC breeds intellectual games for intellectuals.

Consoles (as in the Xbox and Playstation) are now, primarily, movie games. i.e. barely games... Because thats (as you say) what they want. The nature of a beast. A loin eating wildebeest because god programmed it too. PC a whale, the most intelligent shark in the ocean.

goddamn, you are uniformed. pc breeds intellectual games? the same pc that brought us point and click adventures? the same system that brought us F2P, farmville and candy crush? the same pc that brought us FUCKING HALF LIFE?!?! you are a sad, confused little boy. just because a couple of strategy games are big on pc means absolutely NOTHING in regards to the "intelligence" of its audience. NOTHING, k?

#21 Posted by dbtbandit67 (353 posts) -

@uninspiredcup: No, console-only gamers don't have misconceptions over PC gaming, it just isn't for them.

No physical copies, you cannot resell your digital licenses, and the 1k entry point to have a good PC - not appealing to many console gamers. And stick in Steam's always-online DRM.

PC Gaming is awesome tho. Can't re-sell digital copies, but you can pickup digital copies for pretty cheap to offset it. Having to be always online sucks, but I'm usually always online anyways so it doesn't matter.

PC games are best for games that are native to being on a computer, like where the game really required a keyboard and mouse on a computer desk, games like Hearthstone, Minecraft (mods!), X-COM, DOTA 2. All awesome

Fanboys of anything are stupid. Just play games, on any platform

#22 Edited by uninspiredcup (6981 posts) -

@edwardecl said:

I really don't see the difference between PC and Console games, they are more or less the same thing to me. The input method should not define something,

My friend, input method changes the entire nature of a game and game design. Due to the extreme complexity (which pc can achieve) flight simulators simply do not exist on consoles. My excellent creature analogy was too deep for you fellows to comprehend but it should be much more readily apparent now. 8 buttons VS 256+ key + Keyboard. Standard for pc, not for consoles, niche. Nature the beast. PC, naturally more intelligent like whale. Wouldn't throw a loin in the ocean, drown until dead.

#23 Edited by CrownKingArthur (3812 posts) -

misconception - that you need one thousand dollars to pc game

misconception - that one must use steam in order to pc game

misconception - that all games on pc have drm

#24 Posted by lostrib (31865 posts) -

@bldgirsh said:

@lostrib said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Do the console gamers have misconceptions of pc?

Every time a console gamer talks about pc they bring this up.

So in other words, you?

@uninspiredcup said:

As primarily a console gamer I find pc gamers very amusing.

@uninspiredcup said:

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I agree 100%.

/thread

if only

#25 Edited by uninspiredcup (6981 posts) -

@lazerface216 said:

@uninspiredcup said:
@edwardecl said:

You seem to have misconceptions about consoles, there was one game on the PS2 that used the mouse and keyboard (a ported PC game, don't see many of those anymore). Game developers I guess are free to make games use mouse and keyboard if they want.

My freind, you seem to be missing the point of the point, you bring up, regarding my point.

It is not simply a case of hardware, it's an ecosystem. PC breeds intellectual games for intellectuals.

Consoles (as in the Xbox and Playstation) are now, primarily, movie games. i.e. barely games... Because thats (as you say) what they want. The nature of a beast. A loin eating wildebeest because god programmed it too. PC a whale, the most intelligent shark in the ocean.

goddamn, you are uniformed. pc breeds intellectual games? the same pc that brought us point and click adventures?

Point and click adventure games required logical puzzle solving. Consoles (with David Cage) promotes the idea of removing and deducing gameplay down to quick time events.

Teletale, the last bastion of the genre, decided to mimic this. Whatever little gameplay exists, is now an illusion of gameplay.

Indeed, in the example of Halflife, this title features pacing, platforming, logical puzzle solving, exploraration e.t.c..

Console gaming promoted the idea of walking in a line shooting people who are not American to save America. Now all FPS involve walking in a line shooting people for 4 hours to get the MP. (most of the time as America military man)

Sad days.

#26 Posted by Bigboi500 (28804 posts) -

I can make a case for the opposite as well. PC gamers don't get consoles either. Thread after thread I read hermit comments that think console gamers care about power, specs and games like WoW, Diablo, EverQuest and Sim City while turning their noses up at games like Disgaea, Animal Crossing, Tales games and Dragon Quest.

They wrongly assume those kinds of games don't offer depth or have any value despite never having played them.

#27 Posted by Jankarcop (8865 posts) -

@m3dude1 said:

the total war series is an example of the broken, buggy, and seemingly unfinished games you regularly find only on pc

Killzone and Ryse are examples of the short, terrible, and clunky games you find on consoles....which is why consoles have less AAA/AA titles every gen and no real competitive scenes.

#28 Edited by speedfreak48t5p (6242 posts) -

Misconception: uninspiredcup makes good threads.

He doesn't.

#29 Edited by naz99 (997 posts) -

@dbtbandit67 said:

@uninspiredcup: No, console-only gamers don't have misconceptions over PC gaming, it just isn't for them.

No physical copies, you cannot resell your digital licenses, and the 1k entry point to have a good PC - not appealing to many console gamers. And stick in Steam's always-online DRM.

PC Gaming is awesome tho. Can't re-sell digital copies, but you can pickup digital copies for pretty cheap to offset it. Having to be always online sucks, but I'm usually always online anyways so it doesn't matter.

PC games are best for games that are native to being on a computer, like where the game really required a keyboard and mouse on a computer desk, games like Hearthstone, Minecraft (mods!), X-COM, DOTA 2. All awesome

Fanboys of anything are stupid. Just play games, on any platform

Wow, says they don't have misconceptions,

Reply's to post with misconceptions.....*facepalm*

#30 Posted by lawlessx (46285 posts) -

@lostrib said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Do the console gamers have misconceptions of pc?

Every time a console gamer talks about pc they bring this up.

So in other words, you?

@uninspiredcup said:

As primarily a console gamer I find pc gamers very amusing.

@uninspiredcup said:

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I agree 100%.

and yet somehow people still listen to this troll.

#31 Posted by hrt_rulz01 (5491 posts) -

@lostrib said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Do the console gamers have misconceptions of pc?

Every time a console gamer talks about pc they bring this up.

So in other words, you?

@uninspiredcup said:

As primarily a console gamer I find pc gamers very amusing.

@uninspiredcup said:

As someone who is primarily a console gamer, I agree 100%.

LMAO.

#32 Posted by trugs26 (5128 posts) -

My favorite one is when people think that digital distribution means you lose all your games if your computer crashes.

No one thinks that. At least, no one sane.

#33 Posted by Heirren (15991 posts) -

It is all relative.

#34 Edited by leandrro (769 posts) -

misconception - that you need one thousand dollars to pc game

misconception - that one must use steam in order to pc game

misconception - that all games on pc have drm

#35 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (12849 posts) -

@speedfreak48t5p said:

Misconception: uninspiredcup makes good threads.

He doesn't.

They're quite uninspired. The man has no vision.

#36 Edited by m3dude1 (860 posts) -

@leandrro said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

misconception - that you need one thousand dollars to pc game

misconception - that one must use steam in order to pc game

misconception - that all games on pc have drm

misconception - leandrros crappy pc runs bf4 at 1080p 60(its 35 fps with frequent drops below 30 in actuality LOL)

#37 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (1024 posts) -

I feel all the best games come to consoles and PC gets all the leftover crap that wasn't good enough to make the cut, and RTS borefests.

#38 Posted by lostrib (31865 posts) -

@m3dude1 said:

@leandrro said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

misconception - that you need one thousand dollars to pc game

misconception - that one must use steam in order to pc game

misconception - that all games on pc have drm

misconception - leandrros crappy pc runs bf4 at 1080p 60(its 35 fps with frequent drops below 30 in actuality LOL)

wouldnt that depend on what settings? unless he has a huge CPU bottleneck

#39 Edited by m3dude1 (860 posts) -

u dont remember his constant bragging about how his pos 400$ pc he built sometime within the last 16 months craps all over the ps4?

even in 2 of the least demanding maps his experience is just awful

#40 Posted by lostrib (31865 posts) -

@m3dude1 said:

u dont remember his constant bragging about how his pos 400$ pc he built sometime within the last 16 months craps all over the ps4?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

Oh I wish I didn't

#41 Posted by GreySeal9 (23944 posts) -

i am ignorant and would like to remain ignorant. Ungamed 2: Among Movies is one of my favorites.

lol

#42 Edited by scatteh316 (4752 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@m3dude1 said:

@leandrro said:

@CrownKingArthur said:

misconception - that you need one thousand dollars to pc game

misconception - that one must use steam in order to pc game

misconception - that all games on pc have drm

misconception - leandrros crappy pc runs bf4 at 1080p 60(its 35 fps with frequent drops below 30 in actuality LOL)

wouldnt that depend on what settings? unless he has a huge CPU bottleneck

He runs it at native 1080p, settings on high, much higher settings then what PS4 runs at.

#43 Edited by m3dude1 (860 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@m3dude1 said:

u dont remember his constant bragging about how his pos 400$ pc he built sometime within the last 16 months craps all over the ps4?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

Oh I wish I didn't

lol mail in rebates

#44 Edited by scatteh316 (4752 posts) -

@m3dude1 said:

u dont remember his constant bragging about how his pos 400$ pc he built sometime within the last 16 months craps all over the ps4?

even in 2 of the least demanding maps his experience is just awful

With a weak CPU like the one in this $400 build it's the recording of this video that is more then likely killing his frame rate and not the game itself.

Recording takes a lot out of weak CPU's.

#45 Posted by GamingTitan (495 posts) -

PC games are for intellectuals?

Well shit. Apparently you guys should all be playing Sommelier Simulator cause you're so high brow. *rolls eyes*

What a stupid topic.

And to answer the ridiculous question posed by the op. Yes of course there are games like that for the consoles. You know there are but yet you still made this joke of a thread. What is wrong with you?

#46 Posted by Cranler (7843 posts) -

Lol at this movie games nonsense. The Witcher is 4 times longer than Uncharted 2 but has 5 times the amount of cutscenes.

#47 Posted by BldgIrsh (810 posts) -

PC games are for intellectuals?

Well shit. Apparently you guys should all be playing Sommelier Simulator cause you're so high brow. *rolls eyes*

What a stupid topic.

And to answer the ridiculous question posed by the op. Yes of course there are games like that for the consoles. You know there are but yet you still made this joke of a thread. What is wrong with you?

As stated by lostrib. He's a fakeboy consolite...

#48 Edited by sam890 (1057 posts) -

@ps4hasnogames said:

I feel all the best games come to consoles and PC gets all the leftover crap that wasn't good enough to make the cut, and RTS borefests.

You forgot MMOs :O

#49 Posted by BldgIrsh (810 posts) -

@sam890 said:

@ps4hasnogames said:

I feel all the best games come to consoles and PC gets all the leftover crap that wasn't good enough to make the cut, and RTS borefests.

You forgot MMOs :O

Shame on him... he also forgot Farmville...

#50 Posted by SYSTEM-REBOOT (569 posts) -

@Cranler said:

Lol at this movie games nonsense. The Witcher is 4 times longer than Uncharted 2 but has 5 times the amount of cutscenes.

actually both uncharted and last of us are glorified hollywood movies rather than games.