Digital Foundry hands on with actual PS4 - Some games sub 30fps

only reason call of duty is 60 fps because it's basically a goddamn quake 3 mod a engine designed to run at 60 fps from the beggining.

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

only reason call of duty is 60 fps because it's basically a goddamn quake 3 mod a engine designed to run at 60 fps from the beggining.

MonsieurX

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] You would thinkCaseyWegner

nobody should be talking goes both ways? :P

PS4 not looking as unstoppable as some cows making it out to be.....

Reminding me of THE CELL hype :P

In the end I would nto be surprised is the new sony and new ms consoles run close to each other once again.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="shadiezz2012"] damn man ...you are cold seanmcloughlin

Mod power has gone to your head

I am a software developer. After reading the PS4 specs, I kind of expected this. Sony screwed up last gen with the cell processor and they screwed up this gen by going with a GDDR5 only system. I knew they would have latency problems with the CPU by using this type of memory.

I've been laughing seeing all the GDDR5 hype on here. The XBox One is a more balanced, better designed system that will deliver consistent performance. The supposed PS4 performance advantage is paper only.

The PS4 developers are going to have to deal with lots of weird timing issues.

Higher bandwidth is great for a GPU, but worthless when the higher latency of the GDDR5 makes the CPU constantly have to wait for the memory to return the data it needs and then taking longer to update that memory. Games are not only graphics. You have to have the CPU running the game code to decide what graphics need to be shown. If the CPU is memory starved because of the higher latency, you will get framerate problems.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I have no mercy :|blue_hazy_basic

Mod power has gone to your head

you're not a master mod. :P

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I have no mercy :|blue_hazy_basic

Mod power has gone to your head

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Mod power has gone to your head

CaseyWegner

you're not a master mod. :P

[QUOTE="shadiezz2012"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] You mean like us talking about how powerful consoles will be or smashing reviewers for reviews of games we haven't played?blue_hazy_basic

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0COgdLM-6N8

Killzone 2 Input Delay

lol people crying about it in 2009 they made killzone3 slightly less laggy all the call of duty crybabys crying about it.

PS4 not looking as unstoppable as some cows making it out to be.....

Reminding me of THE CELL hype :P

In the end I would nto be surprised is the new sony and new ms consoles run close to each other once again.

kozzy1234

Well, I guess the cows can always trade in these games if they aren't the second coming we had been hearing about for days now.FastEddie2121

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

only reason call of duty is 60 fps because it's basically a goddamn quake 3 mod a engine designed to run at 60 fps from the beggining.

pcgamingowns

 Migrating to the new and more shooter-friendly Dual Shock 4 controller isn't the cause here, as this is the only game we test with such problems. Rather, the issue is likely to be the result of latency being built up over the course of a long and complex rendering pipeline.

Hopefully shadow fall has more input lag than killzone 2,screw people trying to turn killzone into call of duty.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] I have no mercy :|blue_hazy_basic

Mod power has gone to your head

lol you don't have THAT much power little man

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Mod power has gone to your head

seanmcloughlin

lol you don't have THAT much power little man

[QUOTE="FastEddie2121"]Well, I guess the cows can always trade in these games if they aren't the second coming we had been hearing about for days now.cheesie253

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Mod power has gone to your head

seanmcloughlin

lol you don't have THAT much power little man

I expect most of these issues to be ironed out before these games release, but some launch games on the PS4 and xbox one may still be using current gen assets when they release.Some launch games may also have technical problems when they release.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] #bannedblue_hazy_basic

lol you don't have THAT much power little man

*emasculated

Sheesh :roll: do they teach you anything at mod school? 

[QUOTE="1080pOnly"]

I'm not very good with these so someone needs to come up with better but where are all of the joke game names? This thread needs more:

Killzone: Slideshow Fail

Deprived Club

 

.... yeah, told you I wasn't great at this :P.

pcgamingowns

Halo 4 is not a slideshow the majority of the time.

So I hear cows got a console that not only looks like a cheese sandwich but also plays like one. :P

I expect most of these issues to be ironed out before these games release, but some launch games on the PS4 and xbox one may still be using current gen assets when they release.Some launch games may also have technical problems when they release.

super600

:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.I_can_haz

The ONE is a weaksauce machine, so I don't expect further improvements.

PS4 exclusives will eventually get ironed out.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.CallOfDutyRulez

The ONE is a weaksauce machine, so I don't expect further improvements.

PS4 exclusives will eventually get ironed out.

So I hear cows got a console that not only looks like a cheese sandwich but also plays like one. :P

Scipio8

LOL the PlayStation design has gone from the George Foreman Grill to the Breville Cheese Toasty Maker :lol:

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.MonsieurX

The ONE is a weaksauce machine, so I don't expect further improvements.

PS4 exclusives will eventually get ironed out.

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

only reason call of duty is 60 fps because it's basically a goddamn quake 3 mod a engine designed to run at 60 fps from the beggining.

pcgamingowns

:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.I_can_haz

ok in the end you will be playing driveclub that looks like shit and I will be playing Forza 5. You will be playing killzone SF that runs like shit and is slow and has no fluidity and ill be playing Titanfall AAA game, You enjoy your shit games, i know ill be enjoying my AAA's ,

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.MonsieurX

The ONE is a weaksauce machine, so I don't expect further improvements.

PS4 exclusives will eventually get ironed out.

That's not how it works.

Microsoft made a terrible decision with the DDR3 RAM + eSRAM architecture. CBOAT confirmed that Microsoft was having yield issues, and poor yields will lead to higher costs, as Microsoft will need to absorb the costs of the defective units (They won't be sold).

I'm a little worried about Microsoft's possition. We have reports that gamestop has around 70+ PS4 available while only 6 xbox one available. It might be a blood bath next gen.

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.Mr720fan

ok in the end you will be playing driveclub that looks like shit and I will be playing Forza 5. You will be playing killzone SF that runs like shit and is slow and has no fluidity and ill be playing Titanfall AAA game, You enjoy your shit games, i know ill be enjoying my AAA's ,

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]:cry: i feel so imasculatedseanmcloughlin

*emasculated

Sheesh :roll: do they teach you anything at mod school? 

I think we should cut the cows some slack. At least they used real footage for the ps4/Killzone 3 unlike what they did for the ps3/Killzone 2. Baby steps people, baby steps.

hwww.vg247.com/2011/05/10/guerrilla-recalls-the-controversy-surrounding-killzone-2s-e3-2005-trailer/

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

The ONE is a weaksauce machine, so I don't expect further improvements.

PS4 exclusives will eventually get ironed out.

CallOfDutyRulez

That's not how it works.

Microsoft made a mad decision with the DDR3 RAM + eSRAM architecture. CBOAT confirmed that Microsoft was having yield issues, and poor yields will lead to higher costs, as Microsoft will need to absorb the costs of the defective units (They won't be sold).

I'm a little worried about Microsoft's possition. We have reports that gamestop has around 70+ PS4 available while only 6 xbox one available. It might be a blood bath next gen.

:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.I_can_haz

Drive club is 35% complete that game should not even be listed as launch tittle..

Funny how the first post completely ommited the part about Infamous which they call CG like,something that on xbox one is completely a miss.

Infamous basically kick any xbox one games including Ryse which is QTE vased and not even close.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] 1)Pull out a cheap machine 2)Sell it at high price 3)... 4)Profit!!11cheesie253

That's not how it works.

Microsoft made a mad decision with the DDR3 RAM + eSRAM architecture. CBOAT confirmed that Microsoft was having yield issues, and poor yields will lead to higher costs, as Microsoft will need to absorb the costs of the defective units (They won't be sold).

I'm a little worried about Microsoft's possition. We have reports that gamestop has around 70+ PS4 available while only 6 xbox one available. It might be a blood bath next gen.

1) Those numbers were from neogaf.

2) Microsoft's yield issues makes it believable.

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]:cry: i feel so imasculatedblue_hazy_basic

*emasculated

Sheesh :roll: do they teach you anything at mod school? 

:lol:

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

The ONE is a weaksauce machine, so I don't expect further improvements.

PS4 exclusives will eventually get ironed out.

CallOfDutyRulez

That's not how it works.

Microsoft made a terrible decision with the DDR3 RAM + eSRAM architecture. CBOAT confirmed that Microsoft was having yield issues, and poor yields will lead to higher costs, as Microsoft will need to absorb the costs of the defective units (They won't be sold).

I'm a little worried about Microsoft's possition. We have reports that gamestop has around 70+ PS4 available while only 6 xbox one available. It might be a blood bath next gen.

[QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

[QUOTE="MonsieurX"] 1)Pull out a cheap machine 2)Sell it at high price 3)... 4)Profit!!11cheesie253

That's not how it works.

Microsoft made a mad decision with the DDR3 RAM + eSRAM architecture. CBOAT confirmed that Microsoft was having yield issues, and poor yields will lead to higher costs, as Microsoft will need to absorb the costs of the defective units (They won't be sold).

I'm a little worried about Microsoft's possition. We have reports that gamestop has around 70+ PS4 available while only 6 xbox one available. It might be a blood bath next gen.

This holiday is going to be great,if you make it that far here..:lol:

:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.I_can_haz

did you not see the dead rising 3 thread?

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.CaseyWegner

did you not see the dead rising 3 thread?

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="I_can_haz"]:lol: Look at the lems come out of their caves. DR3 is also sub-30. It has nothing to do with power and more to do with the games not being finished yet. They still have about 4-5 months before they are done lol. Desperate basement dweller lems grasping for ownage after having their butts owned by M$ lol.I_can_haz

did you not see the dead rising 3 thread?

you didn't quite say the same thing. ;)

If killzone just breaks 30 fps at 1080p it shows just how weak these consoles are.

James161324

I don't think people understand what it means to go from 720p to 1080p. It's a massive difference in terms of the raw power needed.

[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]urgh thats not good....seanmcloughlin

Yeah some of the stuff in there is bad omens. 

Hmm.  I just doubt that there will be serious issues will all the upcoming games.  And to imply that Infamous runs without a hitch seemingly, that surprises me. I would love for that to be true, but it would be the one title I am actually very worried about when it comes to framerate.

[QUOTE="cheesie253"][QUOTE="CallOfDutyRulez"]

That's not how it works.

Microsoft made a mad decision with the DDR3 RAM + eSRAM architecture. CBOAT confirmed that Microsoft was having yield issues, and poor yields will lead to higher costs, as Microsoft will need to absorb the costs of the defective units (They won't be sold).

I'm a little worried about Microsoft's possition. We have reports that gamestop has around 70+ PS4 available while only 6 xbox one available. It might be a blood bath next gen.

CallOfDutyRulez

1) Those numbers were from neogaf.

2) Microsoft's yield issues makes it believable.