DF Performance Analysis: The Evil Within

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#1  Edited By killzowned24
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PS4 takes big lead in res again.

"Based on what's rendered inside the letterbox, however, we're left with a 1920x768 resolution on PlayStation 4 and a meagre 1600x640 on Xbox One."

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-the-evil-within-performance-analysis

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#2 Alcapello
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Ok I was thinking about getting this for next gen consoles, this just solidifies it.

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#4 chikenfriedrice
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Ewwww it's all blurry and shit.....PC for this one

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#5  Edited By Chutebox
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Wow, what shit resolutions.

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#6 lostrib
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Wait, I thought letterboxed games with the black bars on top and bottom were still 1080p :P

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#7 deactivated-583e460ca986b
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PC version it is. Are any Cows gonna buy this? Because I remember how much fun they poked at 792p. We'll this is even lower than that on PS4. And my word that framerate is bad.

In the end it's the game that should matter. Not the resolution or framerate. Maybe we can get back to playing games and not resolution here in System Wars.

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#8 deactivated-583e460ca986b
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@lostrib: Don't worry. Tormentos will try to explain it to all of us since he is the only one that understands how a game that doesn't render on all vertical pixels can still be considered 1080p.

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#9 R4gn4r0k
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@GoldenElementXL said:

@lostrib: Don't worry. Tormentos will try to explain it to all of us since he is the only one that understands how a game that doesn't render on all vertical pixels can still be considered 1080p.

The game is rendering black bars in real time, that takes up a lot of performance for sure !

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#10 R4gn4r0k
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@Chutebox said:

Wow, what shit resolutions.

It's the generation of the weird resolutions.

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#11  Edited By tormentos
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The game is a mess.

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#12 DEadliNE-Zero0
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Use ID Tech 5 engine

Make the game run at 30fps

??????????

Profit?

Extra: Use shit resolution on consoles. Lock the aspect ration and frame rate on PC, unless you use a debug console.

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#13  Edited By Salt_The_Fries
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I won't get this game then, unless it's a review copy for free. Even on PS4 the res is horrendous, not to mention Xbone.

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#14 tormentos
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The game is a mess.

@GoldenElementXL said:

PC version it is. Are any Cows gonna buy this? Because I remember how much fun they poked at 792p. We'll this is even lower than that on PS4. And my word that framerate is bad.

In the end it's the game that should matter. Not the resolution or framerate. Maybe we can get back to playing games and not resolution here in System Wars.

Blind lemming..

1408x792p = 1,115,136 pixels this is 792p

1920x768p = 1,474,560 Pixels.

1600x900p =1,440,000 Pixels

1600x640p = 1,024,000

Is actually higher than 900p the xbox one is lower than 792p...ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

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#15  Edited By deactivated-583e460ca986b
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@tormentos: You're right. My bad. I will be playing it at 2560x1440 .

Is that higher or lower than the Xbone and PS4?

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Wow, that sounds pretty bad.

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#17 DEadliNE-Zero0
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@killzowned24 said:

PS4 takes big lead in res again.

Bragging about this is sad.

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#18 Telekill
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More importantly... is the game fun?

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#19 killzowned24
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@deadline-zero0 said:

@killzowned24 said:

PS4 takes big lead in res again.

Bragging about this is sad.

LOL, it's literally mentioned in practically every pic comparison at DF, and is pretty darn huge. Xbone is almost 720p ffs!

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#20 GrenadeLauncher
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lol Xbone

lol Bethesda

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#21 GTSaiyanjin2
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So is this game not like The Order 1886 which outputs a 1080p frame buffer with black bars? Is this actually lower res and still has black bars. If so thats really bad, developers should really be getting more out of the consoles.

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#23 Chutebox
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@tormentos said:

The game is a mess.

@GoldenElementXL said:

PC version it is. Are any Cows gonna buy this? Because I remember how much fun they poked at 792p. We'll this is even lower than that on PS4. And my word that framerate is bad.

In the end it's the game that should matter. Not the resolution or framerate. Maybe we can get back to playing games and not resolution here in System Wars.

Blind lemming..

1408x792p = 1,115,136 pixels this is 792p

1920x768p = 1,474,560 Pixels.

1600x900p =1,440,000 Pixels

1600x640p = 1,024,000

Is actually higher than 900p the xbox one is lower than 792p...ahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

He might be wrong, but dude isn't a lem.

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#24 Animal-Mother
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@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

So is this game not like The Order 1886 which outputs a 1080p frame buffer with black bars? Is this actually lower res and still has black bars. If so thats really bad, developers should really be getting more out of the consoles.

I think this proves we weren't ready for this gen just yet.

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#25 deactivated-586249e1b64ba
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@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

So is this game not like The Order 1886 which outputs a 1080p frame buffer with black bars? Is this actually lower res and still has black bars. If so thats really bad, developers should really be getting more out of the consoles.

Digital Foundry:
Based on what's rendered inside the letterbox, however, we're left with a 1920x768 resolution on PlayStation 4 and a meagre 1600x640 on Xbox One.

i.e. They're not counting the blackbars. Either way though, it's not putting out a consistent 30fps which is a damn shame considering the game's legacy.

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@GoldenElementXL said:

PC version it is. Are any Cows gonna buy this? Because I remember how much fun they poked at 792p. We'll this is even lower than that on PS4. And my word that framerate is bad.

In the end it's the game that should matter. Not the resolution or framerate. Maybe we can get back to playing games and not resolution here in System Wars.

You actually think this is lower? How cute, this isn't 792p. I suggest you check your resolutions.

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#28  Edited By deactivated-583e460ca986b
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@Sagemode87: Already done and owned up to my mistake.

Thanks for your concern though.

More importantly, why not focus on the rest of my post. I think that is more important.

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#30 ReadingRainbow4
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Lol at Xbone's 640p res.

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@scottpsfan14: The aspect ratio can be changed.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1508646-debug-console-commands/

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#32 jg4xchamp
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@lostrib said:

Wait, I thought letterboxed games with the black bars on top and bottom were still 1080p :P

Stil 1x1 pixel, but the actual resolution is less than 1080p, because the the game isn't taking up the entire screen. The resolution on PS4 is fine, it's about what you want for a game with black bars. The game just isn't a looker in screen shots, because ID-tech 5 sucks.

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#33 DEadliNE-Zero0
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@scottpsfan14 said:
@deadline-zero0 said:

@killzowned24 said:

PS4 takes big lead in res again.

Bragging about this is sad.

Fact is PS4>XB1 here. Cows will cow. Leave them to it. Are you mad?

I'm wot m8? Nah, jk. ofcourse, PS4>XB1. When isn't this the case?

I'm just pointing out cows, and lems in a way, like the TC don't seem to mind having a shitty version, aslong has it's better than the other console.

Sad.

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#34 donalbane
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@lostrib said:

Wait, I thought letterboxed games with the black bars on top and bottom were still 1080p :P

1080p is the horizontal axis, so if there are bars on the top and bottom, then there's fewer lines of data. So no, anything letterboxed on a conventional 1080p display cannot have 1080 lines of data.

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#35 lostrib
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@donalbane said:

@lostrib said:

Wait, I thought letterboxed games with the black bars on top and bottom were still 1080p :P

1080p is the horizontal axis, so if there are bars on the top and bottom, then there's fewer lines of data. So no, anything letterboxed on a conventional 1080p display cannot have 1080 lines of data.

oh you just wait until The Order comes out, they'll prove you wrong

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I wonder has anyone actually bothered to read the article. Framerate dips on both consoles. Also seems to be some issue with the XOne version. Wonder will it get patched

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@GoldenElementXL: Actually letterbox games are still "technically" considered to be in a native 1080p resolution. Even though they have "black bars" those black bars are still active pixels. If no scaling techniques are being utilized on a letterbox game and it says that the game is in 1080p, then tecnically it is in a native 1080p resolution. Now the gameplay portion of the screen more than likely isn't being displayed in a 1080p resolution.

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#38 Heil68
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No surprise PS4 wins again.

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#39 fend_oblivion
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I don't get why this game is around 50 GB. Is most of the space due to uncompressed audio? I recall the devs of Titanfall saying something like uncompressed audio helps improve performance but if that is the case, how come TEW runs like utter crap, regardless of platform, eh?

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#40 AtariKidX
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PS4 have dominate again.XBone.....lol.Cry.....lems....lol

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#41  Edited By glez13
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@GoldenElementXL said:

@scottpsfan14: The aspect ratio can be changed.

http://forums.bethsoft.com/topic/1508646-debug-console-commands/

But it just crops the image. Even DF mentioned it in the article. The PC version is also a mess, the only good thing is that the system requirements were apparently BS.

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#42 SambaLele
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Lazy devs? I mean, for both consoles?

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#43 GTSaiyanjin2
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@ermacness said:

@GoldenElementXL: Actually letterbox games are still "technically" considered to be in a native 1080p resolution. Even though they have "black bars" those black bars are still active pixels. If no scaling techniques are being utilized on a letterbox game and it says that the game is in 1080p, then tecnically it is in a native 1080p resolution. Now the gameplay portion of the screen more than likely isn't being displayed in a 1080p resolution.

But neither of these games have the pixel density of a 1080p game, unlike The Order. At least thats what I got from the DF article.

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#44  Edited By glez13
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@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

@ermacness said:

@GoldenElementXL: Actually letterbox games are still "technically" considered to be in a native 1080p resolution. Even though they have "black bars" those black bars are still active pixels. If no scaling techniques are being utilized on a letterbox game and it says that the game is in 1080p, then tecnically it is in a native 1080p resolution. Now the gameplay portion of the screen more than likely isn't being displayed in a 1080p resolution.

But neither of these games have the pixel density of a 1080p game, unlike The Order. At least thats what I got from the DF article.

The PS4 version is native, it's simply 1080p letterboxed. The XBONE is basically 900p letterboxed, so it can only be native on a HD+ monitor. The PC version is also letterboxed to whatever resolution you choose, and many of the console commands either don't work or work in a way that doesn't fix anything.

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#45 GTSaiyanjin2
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@glez13 said:

@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

@ermacness said:

@GoldenElementXL: Actually letterbox games are still "technically" considered to be in a native 1080p resolution. Even though they have "black bars" those black bars are still active pixels. If no scaling techniques are being utilized on a letterbox game and it says that the game is in 1080p, then tecnically it is in a native 1080p resolution. Now the gameplay portion of the screen more than likely isn't being displayed in a 1080p resolution.

But neither of these games have the pixel density of a 1080p game, unlike The Order. At least thats what I got from the DF article.

The PS4 version is native, it's simply 1080p letterboxed. The XBONE is basically 900p letterboxed. The PC version is also letterboxed to whatever resolution you choose, and many of the console commands either don't work or work in a way that doesn't fix anything.

Do you know what AA method the game supports on the consoles, because it looks very blurry, especially on the xbone. Also on the PC does it run at a stable 60 fps if you uncap the frame rate?

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#46  Edited By KarateeeChop
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wow the ps4 version is blurry as hell. gonna pick this one up for the Xbox One then.

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#47 Ghost120x
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This is a technical mess. At least resident evil 4 had some polish and acceptable framerates. I knew Bethesda's bad programming practices would rub off on the poor young Japanese dev team. They probably even rushed them to get it out before the holidays. If this game was under capcom's eye it would have been more polished that's for certain.

Still fun as hell though, and that's what matters.

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#48 glez13
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@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

@glez13 said:

@GTSaiyanjin2 said:

@ermacness said:

@GoldenElementXL: Actually letterbox games are still "technically" considered to be in a native 1080p resolution. Even though they have "black bars" those black bars are still active pixels. If no scaling techniques are being utilized on a letterbox game and it says that the game is in 1080p, then tecnically it is in a native 1080p resolution. Now the gameplay portion of the screen more than likely isn't being displayed in a 1080p resolution.

But neither of these games have the pixel density of a 1080p game, unlike The Order. At least thats what I got from the DF article.

The PS4 version is native, it's simply 1080p letterboxed. The XBONE is basically 900p letterboxed. The PC version is also letterboxed to whatever resolution you choose, and many of the console commands either don't work or work in a way that doesn't fix anything.

Do you know what AA method the game supports on the consoles, because it looks very blurry, especially on the xbone. Also on the PC does it run at a stable 60 fps if you uncap the frame rate?

No idea on AA method on consoles.

From what I have seen in the neogaf thread, some other random threads I googled and what DF mentions in the end, the game scales horribly to reach stable 60fps, and you will see some random dips every now and then even with more powerful hardware, it seems to be similar to what happened with Dead Rising 3.

Digital Foundry:

"If you're alarmed about buying the PC game based on Bethesda's alarmingly high recommended specs, at least we have some good news there. A 4GB graphics card doesn't seem to be required at all for 1080p gameplay, and we've run the game just fine on the mid-range GTX 760, while even the entry-level enthusiast GTX 750 Ti offers console-style frame-rates at 1080p on max settings. As for hitting a consistent 60fps - well, it's here that the unoptimised nature of the PC port becomes apparent: we'll have more on that in a later update."

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#49 bobbetybob
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Just looks awful in general, Resi 4 HD on PC looks almost as good...

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#50  Edited By super600  Moderator
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I wonder how hard the developers of this game are pushing both consoles if both versions of the game run at a sub 1080P resolution.