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#251 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Wow, easy there fella. I'm pretty sure Wipeout HD is a PS3 exclusive, and it runs in 1080p and 60 fps

straight from eurogamer

"WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied. Before the usual suspects scamper off to post a comment, with their PS3lols at the ready, perhaps I should clarify. WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied because the crisp 1080p visuals and rock solid 60fps presentation have made me realise just how compromised the Great HD Gaming Revolution has been."

This was a game made back in 2008 btw. I would say this game is easily, at least on par with horizon's visuals....

Jonwh18

Wipeout HD is nowhere near the technological showcase Forza Horizon is. Just because it runs at 1080p and 60fps doesn't mean it's on the same level as Forza.

when forza can't do both all of the techincal stuff it is and run at 60fps yes that puts wipeoutHD on the same level. The FH team choose to go open world and do other things, liverpool wanted 60 FPS for the twitch reactions and 1080p because they could.

also the part I was pciking at was "No racing game on the PS3 looks as good as Forza Horizon does" and you were wrong. Wipeout HD is a racing game. It easily looks as good a FH does.

You need to stop posting.
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#252 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Wipeout HD is nowhere near the technological showcase Forza Horizon is. Just because it runs at 1080p and 60fps doesn't mean it's on the same level as Forza.

Stevo_the_gamer

when forza can't do both all of the techincal stuff it is and run at 60fps yes that puts wipeoutHD on the same level. The FH team choose to go open world and do other things, liverpool wanted 60 FPS for the twitch reactions and 1080p because they could.

also the part I was pciking at was "No racing game on the PS3 looks as good as Forza Horizon does" and you were wrong. Wipeout HD is a racing game. It easily looks as good a FH does.

You need to stop posting.

k :roll:

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#253 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] I'm pretty sure M$ never OWNED Bungie. They had a contract but, M$ never OWNED the studio.

Jonwh18

Microsoft acquired Bungie in 2000; its then-current project was repurposed into a launch title for Microsoft's new Xbox console, called Halo: Combat Evolved. Halo went on to become the Xbox's "killer application", selling millions of copies and spawning a billion dollar franchise. On October 5, 2007, Bungie announced that it had split with Microsoft and become a privately held independent company, Bungie LLC. The company later incorporated and signed a ten-year publishing deal with Activision Blizzard. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bungie

then I have fallen for the lies the lems were spouting following 343 replacing bungie... . . :?

dont blame it on lems now your making excuses nothing lems have said should give you any idea the bungie wasnt a first party studio that is your own stupidity...specially proved by your belief that rares downfall was solely caused by Microsoft.
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#254 godzillavskong
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-forza-horizon

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Some important excerpts;

"Playground Games didn't take the obvious safe route and simply iterate on the existing formula using the established engine: instead the fledgling developer took that technology, retained its core attributes and then expanded upon them, taking the whole franchise in a new direction."

"The existing Forza engine is no slouch here - the image-based lighting of Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (a technique that "wraps" the environment around the cars) was impressive running at 30Hz, but it becomes a thing of beauty at twice the frame-rate. Gamma correct HDR is also implemented, ensuring that detail stands out in all lighting conditions."

"In an era where game developers are killing off the memory and bandwidth-intensive MSAA in favour of the much cheaper post-process equivalents, Playground's solution is comparatively lavish. Not only is 4x MSAA retained - in line with the replays and time trials of Forza Motorsport 4 - FXAA is added too."

"Somehow, Horizon manages to maintain its exceptional standards with a level of consistency we rarely see in modern gaming."

"A few minutes in the company of Forza Horizon makes you realise that this isn't strictly true: most console games target 30FPS - Playground's debut offering is remarkable in that it actually hits that target without fail, transforming the experience. We've been conditioned to accept that frame-drops and screen-tear are necessary evils: in this respect, Forza Horizon is refreshingly compromise-free."

"The overall look and feel of the game is almost untouchable, with an extremely high standard of production values applied to almost every visual element - everything meshes together beautifully, making for a best-in-class presentation."


Some pretty positive remarks for Forza Horizon's technical standing; I'm surprised they polished it so incredibly well even after going from 60Hz to 30Hz and considering it's a whole new developer working on this--granted in their defense, they were hardly run of the mill. Well done, Playground.

Stevo_the_gamer
Wow! Gotta get my copy!! Give me a reason to break out my 360s wireless racing wheel and knock some dust off that thing. Game does look remarkable. Forza is stepping all over the competition.
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#255 godzillavskong
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-vs-forza-horizon

-

Some important excerpts;

"Playground Games didn't take the obvious safe route and simply iterate on the existing formula using the established engine: instead the fledgling developer took that technology, retained its core attributes and then expanded upon them, taking the whole franchise in a new direction."

"The existing Forza engine is no slouch here - the image-based lighting of Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit (a technique that "wraps" the environment around the cars) was impressive running at 30Hz, but it becomes a thing of beauty at twice the frame-rate. Gamma correct HDR is also implemented, ensuring that detail stands out in all lighting conditions."

"In an era where game developers are killing off the memory and bandwidth-intensive MSAA in favour of the much cheaper post-process equivalents, Playground's solution is comparatively lavish. Not only is 4x MSAA retained - in line with the replays and time trials of Forza Motorsport 4 - FXAA is added too."

"Somehow, Horizon manages to maintain its exceptional standards with a level of consistency we rarely see in modern gaming."

"A few minutes in the company of Forza Horizon makes you realise that this isn't strictly true: most console games target 30FPS - Playground's debut offering is remarkable in that it actually hits that target without fail, transforming the experience. We've been conditioned to accept that frame-drops and screen-tear are necessary evils: in this respect, Forza Horizon is refreshingly compromise-free."

"The overall look and feel of the game is almost untouchable, with an extremely high standard of production values applied to almost every visual element - everything meshes together beautifully, making for a best-in-class presentation."


Some pretty positive remarks for Forza Horizon's technical standing; I'm surprised they polished it so incredibly well even after going from 60Hz to 30Hz and considering it's a whole new developer working on this--granted in their defense, they were hardly run of the mill. Well done, Playground.

Stevo_the_gamer
Wow! Gotta get my copy!! Give me a reason to break out my 360s wireless racing wheel and knock some dust off that thing. Game does look remarkable. Forza is stepping all over the competition.
The tech behind this game really shows off.Blabadon
Indeed. The series just keeps looks better! I remember seeing the difference between Forza and Forza 2, and being blown away. Then 3 looked even better. They just keep improving when you think they couldn't make it look any better. Very impressive on the 360!!
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#256 Jonwh18
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Anyway I will pick this up later. I'm not going to get it at $60 because I hated F3 & 4 so I'm a bit wary, but if this is as much like burnout as i think it is, it could be fun.

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#257 Peredith
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Wow, easy there fella. I'm pretty sure Wipeout HD is a PS3 exclusive, and it runs in 1080p and 60 fps

straight from eurogamer

"WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied. Before the usual suspects scamper off to post a comment, with their PS3lols at the ready, perhaps I should clarify. WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied because the crisp 1080p visuals and rock solid 60fps presentation have made me realise just how compromised the Great HD Gaming Revolution has been."

This was a game made back in 2008 btw. I would say this game is easily, at least on par with horizon's visuals....

Jonwh18

Wipeout HD is nowhere near the technological showcase Forza Horizon is. Just because it runs at 1080p and 60fps doesn't mean it's on the same level as Forza.

when forza can't do both all of the techincal stuff it is and run at 60fps yes that puts wipeoutHD on the same level. The FH team choose to go open world and do other things, liverpool wanted 60 FPS for the twitch reactions and 1080p because they could.

also the part I was pciking at was "No racing game on the PS3 looks as good as Forza Horizon does" and you were wrong. Wipeout HD is a racing game. It easily looks as good a FH does.

No it doesn't :lol:

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#258 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Wipeout HD is nowhere near the technological showcase Forza Horizon is. Just because it runs at 1080p and 60fps doesn't mean it's on the same level as Forza.

Stevo_the_gamer

when forza can't do both all of the techincal stuff it is and run at 60fps yes that puts wipeoutHD on the same level. The FH team choose to go open world and do other things, liverpool wanted 60 FPS for the twitch reactions and 1080p because they could.

also the part I was pciking at was "No racing game on the PS3 looks as good as Forza Horizon does" and you were wrong. Wipeout HD is a racing game. It easily looks as good a FH does.

You need to stop posting.

What this guy said.

That argument is ridiculous. I have Wipeout HD and it doesn't look as good as Forza Horizon. Like I said, just because it runs at a higher resolution and a higher framerate doesn't make it better.

I can run Call of Duty MW3 at a higher framerate and resolution than Crysis but Crysis is unquestionably the better of the two games.

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#259 Blabadon
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I actually was going to throw WipeOut HD in the ring until I remembered that Horizon is open world. Damn it jon!
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#260 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] when forza can't do both all of the techincal stuff it is and run at 60fps yes that puts wipeoutHD on the same level. The FH team choose to go open world and do other things, liverpool wanted 60 FPS for the twitch reactions and 1080p because they could.

also the part I was pciking at was "No racing game on the PS3 looks as good as Forza Horizon does" and you were wrong. Wipeout HD is a racing game. It easily looks as good a FH does.

The_Game21x

You need to stop posting.

What this guy said.

That argument is ridiculous. I have Wipeout HD and it doesn't look as good as Forza Horizon. Like I said, just because it runs at a higher resolution and a higher framerate doesn't make it better.

I can run Call of Duty MW3 at a higher framerate and resolution than Crysis but Crysis is unquestionably the better of the two games.

You made the claim that it looked better then any racing game on Ps3. I put up WHD. I have yet to see anything backing up that statement that FH looks better then anyhting on PS3 in this case WHD. I mean GS is supposed to be the end all be all for the metagame. They both won the technically proficient graphics award.......

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#261 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] You need to stop posting. Jonwh18

What this guy said.

That argument is ridiculous. I have Wipeout HD and it doesn't look as good as Forza Horizon. Like I said, just because it runs at a higher resolution and a higher framerate doesn't make it better.

I can run Call of Duty MW3 at a higher framerate and resolution than Crysis but Crysis is unquestionably the better of the two games.

You made the claim that it looked better then any racing game on Ps3. I put up WHD. I have yet to see anything backing up that statement that FH looks better then anyhting on PS3 in this case WHD. I mean GS is supposed to be the end all be all for the metagame. They both won the technically proficient graphics award.......

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon's technical prowess "best in class".

Not second best, not tied. BEST in class.

What does that tell you?

I've played both games and Forza Horizon is better looking than Wipeout HD. Plain and simple. WHD looks fine but it's not in the same league as Forza Horizon.

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#262 PAL360
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"] You need to stop posting. Jonwh18

What this guy said.

That argument is ridiculous. I have Wipeout HD and it doesn't look as good as Forza Horizon. Like I said, just because it runs at a higher resolution and a higher framerate doesn't make it better.

I can run Call of Duty MW3 at a higher framerate and resolution than Crysis but Crysis is unquestionably the better of the two games.

You made the claim that it looked better then any racing game on Ps3. I put up WHD. I have yet to see anything backing up that statement that FH looks better then anyhting on PS3 in this case WHD. I mean GS is supposed to be the end all be all for the metagame. They both won the technically proficient graphics award.......

With 4 years between them. Gears 2 also lookd great in 2008. Now, compared to Gears 3 (2011), it looks just ok. Standards...

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#263 Jonwh18
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Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon's technical prowess "best in class".

Not second best, not tied. BEST in class.

What does that tell you?

I've played both games and Forza Horizon is better looking than Wipeout HD. Plain and simple. WHD looks fine but it's not in the same league as Forza Horizon.

The_Game21x

Awww...too bad only GameSpot scores matter here and to the metagame. :D

The_Game21x

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

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#264 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Awww...too bad only GameSpot scores matter here and to the metagame. :D

Jonwh18

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

SCORES. GameSpot SCORES matter. Since when have the badges ever mattered?

Geez, you love bringing up irrelevant stuff just to make a point, don't you?

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#265 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Awww...too bad only GameSpot scores matter here and to the metagame. :D

The_Game21x

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

SCORES. GameSpot SCORES matter. Since when have the badges ever mattered?

Geez, you love bringing up irrelevant stuff just to make a point, don't you?

Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

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#266 Bruce_Benzing
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon's technical prowess "best in class".

Not second best, not tied. BEST in class.

What does that tell you?

I've played both games and Forza Horizon is better looking than Wipeout HD. Plain and simple. WHD looks fine but it's not in the same league as Forza Horizon.

Jonwh18

Awww...too bad only GameSpot scores matter here and to the metagame. :D

The_Game21x

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

Great, what does a review score have to do with DF impressions of game graphics?

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#267 Bruce_Benzing
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

Jonwh18

SCORES. GameSpot SCORES matter. Since when have the badges ever mattered?

Geez, you love bringing up irrelevant stuff just to make a point, don't you?

Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

Last I checked DF's article wasn't a game review....

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#268 soulitane
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

Jonwh18

SCORES. GameSpot SCORES matter. Since when have the badges ever mattered?

Geez, you love bringing up irrelevant stuff just to make a point, don't you?

Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

You're not very good at this trolling thing are you? :P
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#269 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29301637/fable-the-journey-thread-of-take-notes-lems.-this-is-how-you-damage-control?page=24

Jonwh18

SCORES. GameSpot SCORES matter. Since when have the badges ever mattered?

Geez, you love bringing up irrelevant stuff just to make a point, don't you?

Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

And what does that have to do with anything? We're not even discussing the metagame! :lol:

Come on, you can't seriously be this dumb. We're talking about graphics here. GameSpot badges and scores aren't part of the discussion. Bringing them in just makes you look stupid.

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon "best in class" when it comes to performance and I'm inclined to believe them. Wipeout HD is good but it's not on the same level. period. its closed off tracks and the like cannot compare to Forza Horizon's fully open and detailed environment.

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#270 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

SCORES. GameSpot SCORES matter. Since when have the badges ever mattered?

Geez, you love bringing up irrelevant stuff just to make a point, don't you?

The_Game21x

Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

And what does that have to do with anything? We're not even discussing the metagame! :lol:

Come on, you can't seriously be this dumb. We're talking about graphics here. GameSpot badges and scores aren't part of the discussion. Bringing them in just makes you look stupid.

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon "best in class" when it comes to performance and I'm inclined to believe them. Wipeout HD is good but it's not on the same level. period. its closed off tracks and the like cannot compare to Forza Horizon's fully open and detailed environment.

Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

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#271 soulitane
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

Jonwh18

And what does that have to do with anything? We're not even discussing the metagame! :lol:

Come on, you can't seriously be this dumb. We're talking about graphics here. GameSpot badges and scores aren't part of the discussion. Bringing them in just makes you look stupid.

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon "best in class" when it comes to performance and I'm inclined to believe them. Wipeout HD is good but it's not on the same level. period. its closed off tracks and the like cannot compare to Forza Horizon's fully open and detailed environment.

Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

Not the case, that simple. We can use anything we want here bar for the metagame. Quite simple.
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#272 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

And what does that have to do with anything? We're not even discussing the metagame! :lol:

Come on, you can't seriously be this dumb. We're talking about graphics here. GameSpot badges and scores aren't part of the discussion. Bringing them in just makes you look stupid.

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon "best in class" when it comes to performance and I'm inclined to believe them. Wipeout HD is good but it's not on the same level. period. its closed off tracks and the like cannot compare to Forza Horizon's fully open and detailed environment.

soulitane

Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

Not the case, that simple. We can use anything we want here bar for the metagame. Quite simple.

In that case fvck the rules. :lol: at the double standard.

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#273 superclocked
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The people saying that Wipeout HD looks better than Forza Horizon are making themselves look like idiots.. Seriously...
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#274 Jonwh18
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The people saying that Wipeout HD looks better than Forza Horizon are making themselves look like idiots.. Seriously...superclocked
That really hurts. I really care what you, a random person I will never meet, thinks about me. :cry:

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#275 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Last I checked digital foundry wasn't gamespot......

Jonwh18

And what does that have to do with anything? We're not even discussing the metagame! :lol:

Come on, you can't seriously be this dumb. We're talking about graphics here. GameSpot badges and scores aren't part of the discussion. Bringing them in just makes you look stupid.

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon "best in class" when it comes to performance and I'm inclined to believe them. Wipeout HD is good but it's not on the same level. period. its closed off tracks and the like cannot compare to Forza Horizon's fully open and detailed environment.

Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

Oh gawd. :lol:

You're really desperate to say Wipeout HD is as good as Forza Horizon, aren't you?

The "GS>>>>>everything" argument only matters according to the metagame. We're not playing the metagame. Therefore, DF's opinion matters quite a bit here and Forza Horizon is best in class.

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#276 soulitane
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

Jonwh18

Not the case, that simple. We can use anything we want here bar for the metagame. Quite simple.

In that case fvck the rules. :lol: at the double standard.

There are no double standards, we just use one for the metagame, and it's just a score for that matter. You're trying to imply we should use their opinion on everything, which is utterly inane.
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#277 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

And what does that have to do with anything? We're not even discussing the metagame! :lol:

Come on, you can't seriously be this dumb. We're talking about graphics here. GameSpot badges and scores aren't part of the discussion. Bringing them in just makes you look stupid.

Digital Foundry called Forza Horizon "best in class" when it comes to performance and I'm inclined to believe them. Wipeout HD is good but it's not on the same level. period. its closed off tracks and the like cannot compare to Forza Horizon's fully open and detailed environment.

The_Game21x

Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

Oh gawd. :lol:

You're really desperate to say Wipeout HD is as good as Forza Horizon, aren't you?

The "GS>>>>>everything" argument only matters according to the metagame. We're not playing the metagame. Therefore, DF's opinion matters quite a bit here and Forza Horizon is best in class.

Not at all. The game isn't as good, but it looks as good, which was my original problem with your statement if you recall.

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#278 godzillavskong
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Anyway I will pick this up later. I'm not going to get it at $60 because I hated F3 & 4 so I'm a bit wary, but if this is as much like burnout as i think it is, it could be fun.

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you hated Forza 3 and 4? Wow. I thought those two were some very good racing games. Oh well, to each his own.
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#279 WilliamRLBaker
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Since he wants to use gamespot lets use gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/wipeout-hd/7.5

http://www.gamespot.com/forza-horizon/8.5

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#280 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

Anyway I will pick this up later. I'm not going to get it at $60 because I hated F3 & 4 so I'm a bit wary, but if this is as much like burnout as i think it is, it could be fun.

godzillavskong

you hated Forza 3 and 4? Wow. I thought those two were some very good racing games. Oh well, to each his own.

To be fair I also hated every GT ever along with every other racing sim. They bore the crap out of me.

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#281 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Well quite simply ,this is a gamespot forum so GS's opinion >>>>>>>>>>> DF, I thought that was obvious.

Jonwh18

Oh gawd. :lol:

You're really desperate to say Wipeout HD is as good as Forza Horizon, aren't you?

The "GS>>>>>everything" argument only matters according to the metagame. We're not playing the metagame. Therefore, DF's opinion matters quite a bit here and Forza Horizon is best in class.

Not at all. The game isn't as good, but it looks as good, which was my original problem with your statement if you recall.

And again, no it doesn't look "as good" and the evidence you've presented so far as been "Well it's got the 1080p/60fps" which doesn't matter at all when you add all the effects and the open world environment Forza Horizon renders flawlessly and the "well, both of them won the technically proficient badge" argument which is true...but four years apart. Standards change and Wipeout HD isn't as impressive today as it was then, especially not compared to Forza Horizon.

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#282 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Yeah, because I'm sure a lot of PS3 games run FXAA and 4x MSAA all while maintaining a consistent 30fps with no frame drops or screen tearing.

Face facts kiddo. Forza Horizon is one of the most technologically advanced console games of this gen. No racing game on the PS3 looks as good as Forza Horizon does.

The_Game21x

Wow, easy there fella. I'm pretty sure Wipeout HD is a PS3 exclusive, and it runs in 1080p and 60 fps

straight from eurogamer

"WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied. Before the usual suspects scamper off to post a comment, with their PS3lols at the ready, perhaps I should clarify. WipEout HD has left me agitated and dissatisfied because the crisp 1080p visuals and rock solid 60fps presentation have made me realise just how compromised the Great HD Gaming Revolution has been."

This was a game made back in 2008 btw. I would say this game is easily, at least on par with horizon's visuals....

Wipeout HD is nowhere near the technological showcase Forza Horizon is. Just because it runs at 1080p and 60fps doesn't mean it's on the same level as Forza.

I agree. Wipe HD is a good looking game, but not at the scale of Forza Horizon.
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#283 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Oh gawd. :lol:

You're really desperate to say Wipeout HD is as good as Forza Horizon, aren't you?

The "GS>>>>>everything" argument only matters according to the metagame. We're not playing the metagame. Therefore, DF's opinion matters quite a bit here and Forza Horizon is best in class.

The_Game21x

Not at all. The game isn't as good, but it looks as good, which was my original problem with your statement if you recall.

And again, no it doesn't look "as good" and the evidence you've presented so far as been "Well it's got the 1080p/60fps" which doesn't matter at all when you add all the effects and the open world environment Forza Horizon renders flawlessly and the "well, both of them won the technically proficient badge" argument which is true...but four years apart. Standards change and Wipeout HD isn't as impressive today as it was then, especially not compared to Forza Horizon.

So you are saying the entire metagame is flawed? Because reviewing standard change over the course of a gaming generation, yet we still count games from at the beginning of this generation.

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#284 The_Game21x
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] Not at all. The game isn't as good, but it looks as good, which was my original problem with your statement if you recall.

Jonwh18

And again, no it doesn't look "as good" and the evidence you've presented so far as been "Well it's got the 1080p/60fps" which doesn't matter at all when you add all the effects and the open world environment Forza Horizon renders flawlessly and the "well, both of them won the technically proficient badge" argument which is true...but four years apart. Standards change and Wipeout HD isn't as impressive today as it was then, especially not compared to Forza Horizon.

So you are saying the entire metagame is flawed? Because reviewing standard change over the course of a gaming generation, yet we still count games from at the beginning of this generation.

Wow, you sure do love to use red herrings, don't you? :lol:

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#285 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

And again, no it doesn't look "as good" and the evidence you've presented so far as been "Well it's got the 1080p/60fps" which doesn't matter at all when you add all the effects and the open world environment Forza Horizon renders flawlessly and the "well, both of them won the technically proficient badge" argument which is true...but four years apart. Standards change and Wipeout HD isn't as impressive today as it was then, especially not compared to Forza Horizon.

The_Game21x

So you are saying the entire metagame is flawed? Because reviewing standard change over the course of a gaming generation, yet we still count games from at the beginning of this generation.

Wow, you sure do love to use red herrings, don't you? :lol:

I think he's trying to make the charlie sheen point that MGS4's 10 means it invalidates the entire 360 library or something.
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#286 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] So you are saying the entire metagame is flawed? Because reviewing standard change over the course of a gaming generation, yet we still count games from at the beginning of this generation.

WilliamRLBaker

Wow, you sure do love to use red herrings, don't you? :lol:

I think he's trying to make the charlie sheen point that MGS4's 10 means it invalidates the entire 360 library or something.

No not at all, lay of the pot bro.

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#287 WarOf1993
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Horizon is the best looking racer out. The only thing that comes close is Dirt 3 and Forza 4. Wipeout HD looks good though. Whatever happened to that terrible Cow troll davekeen or davekeeh...whatever it was? They finally got smart and banned him?
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#288 Stevo_the_gamer  Moderator
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Jon, you didn't take my advice.
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#289 Jonwh18
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Jon, you didn't take my advice.Stevo_the_gamer
I felt like being hateful and trolling today. Sue me :P

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#290 WilliamRLBaker
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Jon, you didn't take my advice.Jonwh18

I felt like being hateful and trolling today. Sue me :P

so every day?
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#291 Blabadon
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Jon, you didn't take my advice.WilliamRLBaker

I felt like being hateful and trolling today. Sue me :P

so every day?

Why are you so bitter all the time?
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#292 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Jon, you didn't take my advice.WilliamRLBaker

I felt like being hateful and trolling today. Sue me :P

so every day?

I only hate you because of your hemp advertisement in your sig. I have told you several times I would leave you alone if you ditched it :P

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#293 balfe1990
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[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="Jonwh18"] I felt like being hateful and trolling today. Sue me :P

Jonwh18

so every day?

I only hate you because of your hemp advertisement in your sig. I have told you several times I would leave you alone if you ditched it :P

Hemp is one of the most useful and versatile materials out there...

What could you possibly have against it?

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#294 Plagueless
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Arcade racer, no thanks.

Z-Fatalis
Says the guy with LBP Karting as his sig. :roll:
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#295 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] so every day?balfe1990

I only hate you because of your hemp advertisement in your sig. I have told you several times I would leave you alone if you ditched it :P

Hemp is one of the most useful and versatile materials out there...

What could you possibly have against it?

past encounters with people abusing it for non-industrial purposes.

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#296 Plagueless
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[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] I only hate you because of your hemp advertisement in your sig. I have told you several times I would leave you alone if you ditched it :P

Jonwh18

Hemp is one of the most useful and versatile materials out there...

What could you possibly have against it?

past encounters with people abusing it for non-industrial purposes.

Hemp =/= Marijuana, but I agree with you. The problem with Marijuana is that it is used specifically to get high. Unlike alcohol, which can be enjoyed without affecting the brain and the user's judgement, Marijuana is used specifically to impair the senses. With as many drunk-driving related deaths there are already, can you imagine if we added weed to the mix?
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#297 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

Hemp is one of the most useful and versatile materials out there...

What could you possibly have against it?

Plagueless

past encounters with people abusing it for non-industrial purposes.

Hemp =/= Marijuana, but I agree with you. The problem with Marijuana is that it is used specifically to get high. Unlike alcohol, which can be enjoyed without affecting the brain and the user's judgement, Marijuana is used specifically to impair the senses. With as many drunk-driving related deaths there are already, can you imagine if we added weed to the mix?

My cousin was killed by a pothead who blew a stop sign under the influence of weed. I can imagine, in excruciating detail, exactly how things would be if hemp/pot were legal.

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#298 godzillavskong
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[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

[QUOTE="Jonwh18"] I only hate you because of your hemp advertisement in your sig. I have told you several times I would leave you alone if you ditched it :P

Jonwh18

Hemp is one of the most useful and versatile materials out there...

What could you possibly have against it?

past encounters with people abusing it for non-industrial purposes.

not saying i agree with the use of marijuana, but of all the people i know that use the drug, they're the most laid back, troublefree people i know. Its the alcoholics whom you have to worry about. They're teh ones who get that liquid courage, and become instant idiots once they consume a few. Totally off subject, just my two cents.
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#299 Jonwh18
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[QUOTE="Jonwh18"]

[QUOTE="balfe1990"]

Hemp is one of the most useful and versatile materials out there...

What could you possibly have against it?

godzillavskong

past encounters with people abusing it for non-industrial purposes.

not saying i agree with the use of marijuana, but of all the people i know that use the drug, they're the most laid back, troublefree people i know. Its the alcoholics whom you have to worry about. They're teh ones who get that liquid courage, and become instant idiots once they consume a few. Totally off subject, just my two cents.

I am not a fan of alcohol either.

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#300 Tessellation
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cows butthurt is out of control :lol: