DF Interviews Playground Games; Find out why Forza is "best-in-class."

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Which is untrue, but whatever.

The_Game21x

I disagree. GT5 seems more punishing because it's easier to wipe out. Not because it's actually more punishing but because it doesn't communicate or properly simulate grip progression due to an inadequate tire model and I've outlined many other areas that GT5 is lacking in in other posts.

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

Which is untrue, but whatever.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"] It's not a huge difference...but GT5 is more punshing. Car and Driver, Inside Sim, etc have all run tests between the two...it's not black and white but GT5's racing physics are more true to life. However, as a game most felt Forza was the better of the two.kuraimen

I disagree. GT5 seems more punishing because it's easier to wipe out. Not because it's actually more punishing but because it doesn't communicate or properly simulate grip progression due to an inadequate tire model and I've outlined many other areas that GT5 is lacking in in other posts.

They also said Forza 3 was on the same level as GT5, so I guess we can take their word on it. :)

[QUOTE="Innovazero2000"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] We were talking about the metagame. And the fact is that a sim racing site like inside sim racing considers GT5 a better sim than Forza 4.The_Game21x

Which is untrue, but whatever.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

I disagree. GT5 seems more punishing because it's easier to wipe out. Not because it's actually more punishing but because it doesn't communicate or properly simulate grip progression due to an inadequate tire model and I've outlined many other areas that GT5 is lacking in in other posts.

They also said Forza 3 was on the same level as GT5, so I guess we can take their word on it. :)

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

You know that according to the metagame Sports Champions 2 doesn't exist because it was not reviewed here? Yeah sure logical and not deluded. No wonder lems live in fantasy world.

Innovazero2000

You know that according to the metagame Sports Champions 2 doesn't exist because it was not reviewed here? Yeah sure logical and not deluded. No wonder lems live in fantasy world.

kuraimen

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] They also come with the official RRODInnovazero2000

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

You know that according to the metagame Sports Champions 2 doesn't exist because it was not reviewed here? Yeah sure logical and not deluded. No wonder lems live in fantasy world.

Stevo_the_gamer

You know that according to the metagame Sports Champions 2 doesn't exist because it was not reviewed here? Yeah sure logical and not deluded. No wonder lems live in fantasy world.

GT5 is awful, believe me I know what I talking about. Choose any car you will notice it hasn't very realistic driving physics, let alone remaining flaws: too much japanese cars, only a few cars have a cockpit view, any car sounds like fart etc. I bought a PS3 only for GT5 and I sold it with the game because it was so awful. I'm sure this game was made by people who never owned a car.

Compared to that Forza was made by people who love cars and racing.

Of course cows think differently because their jealousy for superior games like Forza, truth hurts.

GT5 is awful, believe me I know what I talking about. Choose any car you will notice it hasn't very realistic driving physics, let alone remaining flaws: too much japanese cars, only a few cars have a cockpit view, any car sounds like fart etc. I bought a PS3 only for GT5 and I sold it with the game because it was so awful. I'm sure this game was made by people who never owned a car.

Compared to that Forza was made by people who love cars and racing.

Of course cows think differently because their jealousy for superior games like Forza, truth hurts.

Stefan91x

you don't know what you're talking about.

any car sounds like fartStefan91x

[QUOTE="Stefan91x"]any car sounds like fartjessejay420

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] another xbot malfunctionPressXtoJump

[QUOTE="PressXtoJump"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] They also come with the official RRODdelta3074

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="PressXtoJump"] greatest Damage Control in the history of gaming - RROD -buu bu jasper -buu bu jus wait -buu buu it was in 2006 7 8 9 10 40 -buu buu its only for unsafe spots - bub buu if you buy the fan - buu buuu hard drives are cheaper now??? WTF, RROD. not HD buu buu buu the new newer series of slims warranty honestly this list can go on and on but it needs some discussion PressXtoJump

So what are the cows yapping on about now?
Don't they have some super duper mighty morphin exclusives and broken multiplats to play?

jasper excuse still going on :lol:PressXtoJump

You realize the RROD failure rate was lessened over time, right? Hardware failures exist, it's a fact of life, e.g. YLOD.

I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my breath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.

I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my greeath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.CanYouDiglt

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my greeath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my greeath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.CanYouDiglt

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my greeath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.kuraimen

The folks at ISR also gave Forza 3 a 13/15 for physics.

GT5, on the other hand, scored a 12.5.

I can't wait to see how you try to damage control that! :lol:

[QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"][QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol lems really get this butthurt? Lems have to be the most butthurt group in existence. If you can't cope with someone disagreeing with you you don't have to make fantasies about their life just to cope with the butthurt. Just embrace it. You don't see me or any cow trying to figure out what system you have or play or not play. Again sim racing sites like ISR agree GT5 is the better sim. Deal with it or be butthurt forever and ever :cool:kuraimen

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my greeath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.The_Game21x

The folks at ISR also gave Forza 3 a 13/15 for physics.

GT5, on the other hand, scored a 12.5.

I can't wait to see how you try to damage control that! :lol:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="CanYouDiglt"]I still do not think kuraimen has played GT5 or any of the Forza games this gen from the way he talks. I really wish he would post a gamertag for either system to prove different but I will not hold my greeath for that to happen. I think it is funny how much he wants to defend GT5 considering he has never played it or Forza. Kuraimen it is one thing to laugh at lems if they recieved a low score but but Forza did score higher every single time. So to endlessly defend a game when you played neither just to defend Sony is beyond fanboy.The_Game21x

The folks at ISR also gave Forza 3 a 13/15 for physics.

GT5, on the other hand, scored a 12.5.

I can't wait to see how you try to damage control that! :lol:

[QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"] Lol lems really get this butthurt? Lems have to be the most butthurt group in existence. If you can't cope with someone disagreeing with you you don't have to make fantasies about their life just to cope with the butthurt. Just embrace it. You don't see me or any cow trying to figure out what system you have or play or not play. Again sim racing sites like ISR agree GT5 is the better sim. Deal with it or be butthurt forever and ever :cool:Nuck81

The folks at ISR also gave Forza 3 a 13/15 for physics.

GT5, on the other hand, scored a 12.5.

I can't wait to see how you try to damage control that! :lol:

want to know where your flaw is in that arguement?

you go on bout standards changing over time, then lord over GT5 a game which was released a year before whch by your logic is held to a different level of standard as its essentially a differnt time period.....the long and short is your arguement is flawed by your very own reasoning with your opening arguement it would mean that FM4 is held to a different standard than that of GT5 as you know standards change eh.

One of the most flawed arguements i've seen and still relying on ISR, despite the fact we use the SW metagame which uses GS scores and going by pure logical and reasonable arguement thats flawless under SW metagame rules Forza's still the superior.

bye and thanks for playing

/inb4 lem,forza fanboy,butthurt all other cow nonsense.

im just saying whats true for this board at the end of the day.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="The_Game21x"]

The folks at ISR also gave Forza 3 a 13/15 for physics.

GT5, on the other hand, scored a 12.5.

I can't wait to see how you try to damage control that! :lol:

razgriz_101

want to know where your flaw is in that arguement?

you go on bout standards changing over time, then lord over GT5 a game which was released a year before whch by your logic is held to a different level of standard as its essentially a differnt time period.....the long and short is your arguement is flawed by your very own reasoning with your opening arguement it would mean that FM4 is held to a different standard than that of GT5 as you know standards change eh.

One of the most flawed arguements i've seen and still relying on ISR, despite the fact we use the SW metagame which uses GS scores and going by pure logical and reasonable arguement thats flawless under SW metagame rules Forza's still the superior.

bye and thanks for playing

/inb4 lem,forza fanboy,butthurt all other cow nonsense.

im just saying whats true for this board at the end of the day.

Why is this thread still going on?

Forza = Best racing series this gen.

Forza Horizon = Best racer of 2012

GT5 = One of the biggest disappoinments this gen and not even up to Shifts stansdards and does not hold a candle to Grid.

End Thread please. It is what it is. Horizon is amazing.

I still remember the hype behind GT5, to be honest i was head deep in it. "5 years in the making!! definitely going to get a 10/10 no doubt, game of the year for sure" lol

We all know how that turned out, i still remember how surprised i was when i saw the scores the game was receiving from various sites.

Anyways Forza is probably the best you're going to get if you are into the car scene.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Use your brain, it's pretty easy. Different standards at the time of the games release. The GT5 model would wipe the floor with the Rfactor model from five years ago. At the time when Forza 3 was released it was a 13 compared to the best sims available then. As Physics models improve so do the standards that they are judged from. Forza 4 came out a year after GT5, was directly compared to it in the review, and it was explicitly stated that GT5 was better.Nuck81

want to know where your flaw is in that arguement?

you go on bout standards changing over time, then lord over GT5 a game which was released a year before whch by your logic is held to a different level of standard as its essentially a differnt time period.....the long and short is your arguement is flawed by your very own reasoning with your opening arguement it would mean that FM4 is held to a different standard than that of GT5 as you know standards change eh.

One of the most flawed arguements i've seen and still relying on ISR, despite the fact we use the SW metagame which uses GS scores and going by pure logical and reasonable arguement thats flawless under SW metagame rules Forza's still the superior.

bye and thanks for playing

/inb4 lem,forza fanboy,butthurt all other cow nonsense.

im just saying whats true for this board at the end of the day.

you sir are a muppet, this is a games board and round these parts SW metagame dictates whats best.Stop hiding behind ISR and debate like a real man ooh....wait.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

want to know where your flaw is in that arguement?

you go on bout standards changing over time, then lord over GT5 a game which was released a year before whch by your logic is held to a different level of standard as its essentially a differnt time period.....the long and short is your arguement is flawed by your very own reasoning with your opening arguement it would mean that FM4 is held to a different standard than that of GT5 as you know standards change eh.

One of the most flawed arguements i've seen and still relying on ISR, despite the fact we use the SW metagame which uses GS scores and going by pure logical and reasonable arguement thats flawless under SW metagame rules Forza's still the superior.

bye and thanks for playing

/inb4 lem,forza fanboy,butthurt all other cow nonsense.

im just saying whats true for this board at the end of the day.

razgriz_101

you sir are a muppet, this is a games board and round these parts SW metagame dictates whats best.Stop hiding behind ISR and debate like a real man ooh....wait.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] :lol: you're terrible. GT5 an Forza 4 were directly compared in the ISR review. They are held to the same standard, since they were compared directly by the reviewers. And in that direct comparison they said GT5 was better. Forza is the more casual, more accessible game. That's why it has built in assists you can't turn off and arcade like handling. That's why casual sites like Gamespot and casual gamers like yourself prefer Forza. You only play the games for a few weeks, with a gamepad, and then let them collect dust until Turn 10 releases a new game for $60. Real sim racing fans, people that have an actual sim racing set up, and actually play sim racing games prefer GT5. Reality>Casual game reviewers.kuraimen

you sir are a muppet, this is a games board and round these parts SW metagame dictates whats best.Stop hiding behind ISR and debate like a real man ooh....wait.

survival guide states all else pretty much is useless follow the meta and you wont go wrong its foolproof...or least it was till you showed up.

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

[QUOTE="Nuck81"] Use your brain, it's pretty easy. Different standards at the time of the games release. The GT5 model would wipe the floor with the Rfactor model from five years ago. At the time when Forza 3 was released it was a 13 compared to the best sims available then. As Physics models improve so do the standards that they are judged from. Forza 4 came out a year after GT5, was directly compared to it in the review, and it was explicitly stated that GT5 was better.Nuck81

want to know where your flaw is in that arguement?

you go on bout standards changing over time, then lord over GT5 a game which was released a year before whch by your logic is held to a different level of standard as its essentially a differnt time period.....the long and short is your arguement is flawed by your very own reasoning with your opening arguement it would mean that FM4 is held to a different standard than that of GT5 as you know standards change eh.

One of the most flawed arguements i've seen and still relying on ISR, despite the fact we use the SW metagame which uses GS scores and going by pure logical and reasonable arguement thats flawless under SW metagame rules Forza's still the superior.

bye and thanks for playing

/inb4 lem,forza fanboy,butthurt all other cow nonsense.

im just saying whats true for this board at the end of the day.

You keep saying this despite the fact that you have yet to provide even a shred of proof of that.

Why?

Because Forza 4 does not have built in assists that you can't turn off. Forza 3 did. Forza 4 doesn't. Plain and simple.

The fact of the matter is Forza 4 does not have "arcade like" handling. It has realistic handling, just like GT5 and simulates driving better than GT5.

Here's a comparison from DigitalTrends

On Gran Turismo 5

"We also tested a Camaro SS in the game and looked back (with warm memories) at our previous review. The Camaro in GT5 felt like it lacked some zip in the lower gears that we remember from our real-world test. Theres also one missing ingredient in the game, something thats almost impossible to replicate: the Camaro felt too light on the road, as though it was a sportscar and not a muscle car."

On Forza 4

"Thats why, in driving the CTS-V, the Mercedes-Benz SLS, the VW Golf GTI, and even the Lexus CT200h in the real world (and reviewing them all) and in the game, we found that Forza 4 nailed the realism."

Conclusion

"And, while you can flip the car in both games, neither game bothered with the feature where the door pistons blow off so you can exit the vehicle. Yet, in the end, the Spec 2.0 version of Gran Turismo 5 felt a little stale in the end. We booted up both cars in the games on the same HD screen, with the same surround-sound system, and Forza 4 seemed to nail one aspect that was missing from GT5: the fun factor. This is more of an authenticity issue than you might think. The SLS in Forza just felt like it was faster, hungrier, and more fun to drive. Both games mimicked the car accurately. If we had to pick one game that delivered the thrill of driving the real $200,000 supercar, it would be Forza 4."

And I can already hear you crying "bu bu...ISR!!! :cry:"

These guys compared cars they reviewed in real life to their in game counterparts. A claim the folks at ISR can't make.

But yeah, you keep going with your nonsensical BS about Forza 4 being arcadey and desperately clinging to your precious ISR review. In the real world, Forza 4 is about as real as it gets on a console.

[QUOTE="Nuck81"][QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

want to know where your flaw is in that arguement?

you go on bout standards changing over time, then lord over GT5 a game which was released a year before whch by your logic is held to a different level of standard as its essentially a differnt time period.....the long and short is your arguement is flawed by your very own reasoning with your opening arguement it would mean that FM4 is held to a different standard than that of GT5 as you know standards change eh.

One of the most flawed arguements i've seen and still relying on ISR, despite the fact we use the SW metagame which uses GS scores and going by pure logical and reasonable arguement thats flawless under SW metagame rules Forza's still the superior.

bye and thanks for playing

/inb4 lem,forza fanboy,butthurt all other cow nonsense.

im just saying whats true for this board at the end of the day.

The_Game21x

You keep saying this despite the fact that you have yet to provide even a shred of proof of that.

Why?

Because Forza 4 does not have built in assists that you can't turn off. Forza 3 did. Forza 4 doesn't. Plain and simple.

The fact of the matter is Forza 4 does not have "arcade like" handling. It has realistic handling, just like GT5 and simulates driving better than GT5.

Here's a comparison from DigitalTrends

On Gran Turismo 5

"We also tested a Camaro SS in the game and looked back (with warm memories) at our previous review. The Camaro in GT5 felt like it lacked some zip in the lower gears that we remember from our real-world test. Theres also one missing ingredient in the game, something thats almost impossible to replicate: the Camaro felt too light on the road, as though it was a sportscar and not a muscle car."

On Forza 4

"Thats why, in driving the CTS-V, the Mercedes-Benz SLS, the VW Golf GTI, and even the Lexus CT200h in the real world (and reviewing them all) and in the game, we found that Forza 4 nailed the realism."

Conclusion

"And, while you can flip the car in both games, neither game bothered with the feature where the door pistons blow off so you can exit the vehicle. Yet, in the end, the Spec 2.0 version of Gran Turismo 5 felt a little stale in the end. We booted up both cars in the games on the same HD screen, with the same surround-sound system, and Forza 4 seemed to nail one aspect that was missing from GT5: the fun factor. This is more of an authenticity issue than you might think. The SLS in Forza just felt like it was faster, hungrier, and more fun to drive. Both games mimicked the car accurately. If we had to pick one game that delivered the thrill of driving the real $200,000 supercar, it would be Forza 4."

And I can already hear you crying "bu bu...ISR!!! :cry:"

These guys compared cars they reviewed in real life to their in game counterparts. A claim the folks at ISR can't make.

But yeah, you keep going with your nonsensical BS about Forza 4 being arcadey and desperately clinging to your precious ISR review. In the real world, Forza 4 is about as real as it gets on a console.