Devs React to DX 12 Doubling Xbox One GPU Speed

#1 Posted by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

#2 Posted by MrXboxOne (742 posts) -

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

That damage control!

Face it. PS4 is weak sauce!

#3 Posted by lostrib (35889 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

That damage control!

Face it. PS4 is weak sauce!

except for that part where it is more powerful than X1

#4 Posted by Krelian-co (10680 posts) -

anyone knows that, only lembots think so.

#5 Edited by Rocky_Denace (143 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

#6 Edited by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR. I know it worked on you, clearly from that mass load of BS you just typed out, but MS isn't going to convince everyone.

#7 Edited by Rocky_Denace (143 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR.

You did do that. I noticed. The link I posted is a good video showing the developer not only in the article but also on his twitter when he was asked to follow up. The bottom line is this is a developer who is currently working with the API and he is clearly amazed by it and has no working benefit for MS he is just a developer. The skeptics are people who have no working experience with the API so clearly the Developer should be believed over the skeptics who have no hands on experience like the developer who is again currently working with it. He also explains how no the current API is not close because he says the new DX12 API lets you work on multiple cores whereas the current API is a single cored mainly.

I realize this is MASSIVE butthurt to PS fanboys but until other developers who have worked with this same new DX API come out and say this guy is lying this needs to be considered FACT!!! and it's looking like the X1 is exactly what MS has said all along a system that will grow in power over time. Also look how big the heat sink is on the X1. MS clearly knew this all along so if the GPU runs harder they are prepared.

#8 Edited by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

That damage control!

Face it. PS4 is weak sauce!

lol it seems lems have been rubbed the wrong way so hard all of 2013 that now they grasp at literally anything to make them feel better. So funny to watch.

#9 Edited by shawn30 (4367 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

As always the truth is in the real-time footage to be shown. There's zero doubt DirectX 12 will improve Xbox One graphics. To what degree E3 will reveal. I'm excited though.

#10 Posted by Heil68 (43996 posts) -

Everyone knows that SONY has given us the world's most powerful video game console.

#11 Edited by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR.

You did do that. I noticed. The link I posted is a good video showing the developer not only in the article but also on his twitter when he was asked to follow up. The bottom line is this is a developer who is currently working with the API and he is clearly amazed by it and has no working benefit for MS he is just a developer. The skeptics are people who have no working experience with the API so clearly the Developer should be believed over the skeptics who have no hands on experience like the developer who is again currently working with it,. He also explains how no the current API is no close because he says the new DX12 API lets you work on multiple cores whereas the current API is a single cored mainly.

I realize this is MASSIVE butthurt to PS fanboys but until other developers who have worked with this same new DX API come out and say this guy is lying this needs to be considered FACT!!! and it's looking like the X1 is exactly what MS has said all along a system that will grow in power over time. Also look how big the heat sink is on the X1 MS clearly new this all along so if the GPU runs harder they are prepared.

You realise people aren't saying the API won't improve things, the PR and nonsense comes from some specific statements like doubling the speed, the performance, "giving Xbox owners a brand new GPU". I mean come on, you have to be an absolute diehard lem to sink deep into this all the way up to the neck.

Quotes from MS and Devs > one random dev.

Not to mention it's slated for holiday 2015. Damn.

"Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this. http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one”"

#12 Posted by ni6htmare01 (932 posts) -

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR.

You did do that. I noticed. The link I posted is a good video showing the developer not only in the article but also on his twitter when he was asked to follow up. The bottom line is this is a developer who is currently working with the API and he is clearly amazed by it and has no working benefit for MS he is just a developer. The skeptics are people who have no working experience with the API so clearly the Developer should be believed over the skeptics who have no hands on experience like the developer who is again currently working with it,. He also explains how no the current API is no close because he says the new DX12 API lets you work on multiple cores whereas the current API is a single cored mainly.

I realize this is MASSIVE butthurt to PS fanboys but until other developers who have worked with this same new DX API come out and say this guy is lying this needs to be considered FACT!!! and it's looking like the X1 is exactly what MS has said all along a system that will grow in power over time. Also look how big the heat sink is on the X1 MS clearly new this all along so if the GPU runs harder they are prepared.

You realise people aren't saying the API won't improve things, the PR and nonsense comes from some specific statements like doubling the speed, the performance, "giving Xbox owners a brand new GPU". I mean come on, you have to be an absolute diehard lem to sink deep into this all the way up to the neck.

Quotes from MS and Devs > one random dev.

Not to mention it's slated for holiday 2015. Damn.

WOW! I was thinking about upgrading my Video Card but I guess with DirectX 12 I no longer need to??? LOL LOL LOl~~~ Yeah right!!

#13 Edited by Rocky_Denace (143 posts) -

Intel has come out recently also saying that DX12 is the biggest leap in a long long time it's looking like DX12 is the real deal and it will make GPU's do things and add performance gains never before seem until now.

I think if you factor in the latest Cloud demo of MS showing off real time demos of game using the cloud and you factor in DX12 and also Tiled Resources it's starting to look obvious that the X1 is going to be a powerhouse in a few years and do 60fps 1080p easily and most like have the graphics king games. Also AMD has hinted that the GPU in the X1 is not as close to a 7790 as people have claimed and it's more of an exotic design heavily modified and it's starting to look like now that this GPU has been specifically designed with forward thinking and DX12 in mind.

MS isn't dumb they aren't the biggest computer company in the world for nothing. Lets give MS some praise and be happy that the X1 has so much room to stretch it's legs in the coming years. Lets stop bickering PS4 is a great console with powerful hardware right out the gate but lets start to give MS due props they deserve with what is more and more seemingly a system designed with heavily forward thinking and can and will coming into it's own graphics in the coming years and start to open up lots of more power with superb software and API designs by MS some of the best engineers in the world.

#14 Posted by lostrib (35889 posts) -

Intel has come out recently also saying that DX12 is the biggest leap in a long long time it's looking like DX12 is the real deal and it will make GPU's do things and add performance gains never before seem until now.

I think if you factor in the latest Cloud demo of MS showing off real time demos of game using the cloud and you factor in DX12 and also Tiled Resources it's starting to look obvious that the X1 is going to be a powerhouse in a few years and do 60fps 1080p easily and most like have the graphics king games. Also AMD has hinted that the GPU in the X1 is not as close to a 7790 as people have claimed and it's more of an exotic design heavily modified and it's starting to look like now that this GPU has been specifically designed with forward thinking and DX12 in mind.

MS isn't dumb they aren't the biggest computer company in the world for nothing. Lets give MS some praise and be happy that the X1 has so much room to stretch it's legs in the coming years. Lets stop bickering PS4 is a great console with powerful hardware right out the gate but lets start to give MS due props they deserve with what is more and more seemingly a system designed with heavily forward thinking and can and will coming into it's own graphics in the coming years and start to open up lots of more power with superb software and API designs by MS some of the best engineers in the world.

So exactly how does one get to Narnia?

#15 Posted by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

Intel has come out recently also saying that DX12 is the biggest leap in a long long time it's looking like DX12 is the real deal and it will make GPU's do things and add performance gains never before seem until now.

I think if you factor in the latest Cloud demo of MS showing off real time demos of game using the cloud and you factor in DX12 and also Tiled Resources it's starting to look obvious that the X1 is going to be a powerhouse in a few years and do 60fps 1080p easily and most like have the graphics king games. Also AMD has hinted that the GPU in the X1 is not as close to a 7790 as people have claimed and it's more of an exotic design heavily modified and it's starting to look like now that this GPU has been specifically designed with forward thinking and DX12 in mind.

MS isn't dumb they aren't the biggest computer company in the world for nothing. Lets give MS some praise and be happy that the X1 has so much room to stretch it's legs in the coming years. Lets stop bickering PS4 is a great console with powerful hardware right out the gate but lets start to give MS due props they deserve with what is more and more seemingly a system designed with heavily forward thinking and can and will coming into it's own graphics in the coming years and start to open up lots of more power with superb software and API designs by MS some of the best engineers in the world.

Even though most of your comment just sounds like pure astroturfing and bias, the highlighted made me chortle. What's the point of buying an Xbone now then if I'll have to wait a couple more years for it to turn into a 'powerhouse'? My internet is awful too so no cloud power for me, sadly, guess I'll be stuck with my bog standard low range GPU powered Xbone. Not exactly the best way to sell your next gen console , is it? "It's not the strongest....not yet anyway...just you wait!.....Just you wait!" almost as if MS is a cartoon villain. I guess we'll have to wait until those games drop in late 2016/17, then we can make a new thread on here and compare. Meanwhile people can buy a console now that has superior specs that can actually runs games better because of its more mature and developer friendly API.

I also love the assumption that as it gets closer to 2015 lems like you are certain that PS4's own API won't mature even more than it is right now, keeping that power gap right there, alive and well. ;)

#16 Posted by cainetao11 (17352 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

That damage control!

Face it. PS4 is weak sauce!

LOL That was funny.......................and stupid. I enjoy my X1 but don't lie to yourself, PS4 is stronger. Doesn't mean I want to not game on X1.

#17 Edited by WitIsWisdom (3754 posts) -

Cloud.... Cloud? Cloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooud!!!

seriously though... DX12... sigh. Microsoft is so desperate... there is only so much you can do without a hardware upgrade.. MS is just steaming that the PS4 has higher specs and are doing everything they can to try and convince people it isn't true. They said from the beginning they expected to have the better specs and SONY surprised them.

Personally, I think BOTH consoles are good, and they both look great on screen so who really cares. However, anyone thinking that this is going to DOUBLE performance is a complete idiot. Double the speed? Of what? Load times? It would still be slower than the PS4.. double the resolution... nope... double the rendering capability... nope... so what exactly would it be doubling even if it could? The only possible thing IT COULD double is the speed of load times... The slow download times DO need an upgrade, so if DX12 can somehow improve those abysmal numbers then great...

Remember how cloud was going to double, triple, maybe even quadruple OR MORE the power of the X1? What happened to that by the way? MS makes me sick in this aspect... I understand it's a numbers game, and I understand everyone wants to be number one, and they want to drive sales, and hype, yada yada yada.... but get real.

Just release some more good games and move on... NOTHING can be done about the gap in power due to hardware... there is no bridge that can span the gap, and even if there were it's not like SONY couldn't turn around and do something themselves to get that edge right back.

MS needs to stop the "measuring" game and get to work on some more exclusives and give the consumers what they truly want... on that note so does SONY...

#18 Edited by ddlcpc (858 posts) -

oh.. the desperation continues....

#19 Edited by hoyalawya (342 posts) -

I think that the performance benefit on DX12 is true but to what extent remains to be seen. It is not inconceivable that there are bottlenecks in the Xbox One architecture and/or that games are not using multi-core parallel processing efficiently. Not a direct comparison but Formula One cars only have 1.6 litre engines. However, those cars are exceptionally fast when everything is tuned and maximized to work together (well, not having to be street legal and engine non-longetivity help a lot to achieve the power). Not saying that DX12 will make Xbox One faster than the PS4 but I think that the performance will increase a lot.

#20 Posted by BruceBenzing (323 posts) -

@ddlcpc said:

oh.. the desperation continues....

Yeah TC sure proved that....

#21 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (4237 posts) -

I think if the person who said it, had said that 'in some cases it could make CPU use twice as efficient', it wouldn't have sounded so bad. I think the original claim was over zealous.

I thought it was a very bad choice of words from the beginning. But I also think people are just as stupid to have taken it literally.

It's certainly a great thing that DX12 can make the X1 as efficient as possible though.

#22 Edited by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

Cloud.... Cloud? Cloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooud!!!

seriously though... DX12... sigh. Microsoft is so desperate... there is only so much you can do without a hardware upgrade.. MS is just steaming that the PS4 has higher specs and are doing everything they can to try and convince people it isn't true. They said from the beginning they expected to have the better specs and SONY surprised them.

Personally, I think BOTH consoles are good, and they both look great on screen so who really cares. However, anyone thinking that this is going to DOUBLE performance is a complete idiot. Double the speed? Of what? Load times? It would still be slower than the PS4.. double the resolution... nope... double the rendering capability... nope... so what exactly would it be doubling even if it could? The only possible thing IT COULD double is the speed of load times... The slow download times DO need an upgrade, so if DX12 can somehow improve those abysmal numbers then great...

Remember how cloud was going to double, triple, maybe even quadruple OR MORE the power of the X1? What happened to that by the way? MS makes me sick in this aspect... I understand it's a numbers game, and I understand everyone wants to be number one, and they want to drive sales, and hype, yada yada yada.... but get real.

Just release some more good games and move on... NOTHING can be done about the gap in power due to hardware... there is no bridge that can span the gap, and even if there were it's not like SONY couldn't turn around and do something themselves to get that edge right back.

MS needs to stop the "measuring" game and get to work on some more exclusives and give the consumers what they truly want... on that note so does SONY...

Nice post.

#23 Posted by Twizded (97 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I think MS paid him to be as vague as possible.

#24 Posted by lglz1337 (3450 posts) -

devs has spoken lems now sit

#25 Posted by Boggle_Dragon (95 posts) -

A weak GPU is a weak GPU, there's no getting around it. These are big claims without the big evidence.

#27 Posted by clyde46 (46027 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

devs has spoken lems now sit

If this was about the PS4 you'd be going off your nut.

#28 Posted by Mr-Kutaragi (1945 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@lglz1337 said:

devs has spoken lems now sit

If this was about the PS4 you'd be going off your nut.

If this was about PS4 you closet lem be going off your nut.

#29 Edited by StormyJoe (5124 posts) -

@misterpmedia: People are claiming 100% performance increase? I haven't read that. I have seen, first hand, 30% being quite doable (once saw 50% with the release of .Net 3.5 vs 3), but hardly ever more than that.

The only way that would even remotely be possible is if the previous SDK was really written like shit, which I doubt happened.

#30 Posted by darkangel115 (1586 posts) -

A weak GPU is a weak GPU, there's no getting around it. These are big claims without the big evidence.

You do realize that both systems have weak GPUs. especially with AMD kicking out one's that are 10+ times the power of the console GPUs. Everything is relative

#31 Edited by 04dcarraher (19492 posts) -

Lowering the cpu workload in communicating to the gpu only does so much. Look at Nvidia's new driver overhaul for direct x 11 or even AMD's Mantle you only gain minor improvements in performance. Direct x 12 focus is just that slimming down and making cpu work more evenly and being more efficient. The X1's hardware is to weak to flat out match or surpass the PS4 even with the best software coding.

Many consolers have the idea that consoles have magic fairy dust called optimization and or "to metal coding" when in fact optimization includes cutting and downgrading aspects, and with metal coding these new consoles are not special because they basically straight up took low to mid ranged pc hardware and called it a day.

#32 Edited by bforrester420 (1457 posts) -

Oh Lemmings....lol...

#33 Edited by lunar1122 (665 posts) -

watch as the xbox 1 is still 720p'ish after dx 12 releases.. Come on people. Direct X isnt the reason the xbone sucks.. Its the amount of ROPS and the terrible RAM configuration in the bone. Nothing they can do will help or solve that situation until some new hardware is put out there.

#34 Posted by FastRobby (1497 posts) -

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR.

You did do that. I noticed. The link I posted is a good video showing the developer not only in the article but also on his twitter when he was asked to follow up. The bottom line is this is a developer who is currently working with the API and he is clearly amazed by it and has no working benefit for MS he is just a developer. The skeptics are people who have no working experience with the API so clearly the Developer should be believed over the skeptics who have no hands on experience like the developer who is again currently working with it,. He also explains how no the current API is no close because he says the new DX12 API lets you work on multiple cores whereas the current API is a single cored mainly.

I realize this is MASSIVE butthurt to PS fanboys but until other developers who have worked with this same new DX API come out and say this guy is lying this needs to be considered FACT!!! and it's looking like the X1 is exactly what MS has said all along a system that will grow in power over time. Also look how big the heat sink is on the X1 MS clearly new this all along so if the GPU runs harder they are prepared.

You realise people aren't saying the API won't improve things, the PR and nonsense comes from some specific statements like doubling the speed, the performance, "giving Xbox owners a brand new GPU". I mean come on, you have to be an absolute diehard lem to sink deep into this all the way up to the neck.

Quotes from MS and Devs > one random dev.

Not to mention it's slated for holiday 2015. Damn.

"Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this. http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one”"

So this isn't OK but all the cows screaming: PS4 is 50% more powerful than Xbox One. Was OK?

Cows are the biggest hypocrites on the Internet.

#35 Edited by wis3boi (31294 posts) -

#36 Edited by StormyJoe (5124 posts) -

watch as the xbox 1 is still 720p'ish after dx 12 releases.. Come on people. Direct X isnt the reason the xbone sucks.. Its the amount of ROPS and the terrible RAM configuration in the bone. Nothing they can do will help or solve that situation until some new hardware is put out there.

I love it when people who obviously don't know d!ck about hardware and software try and talk like they do using buzz words...

#37 Posted by kuu2 (7137 posts) -

DX12 will improve the performance of The One. #Fact

By how much is yet to be seen.

#ShowMe

#38 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

LOL XBone is a weak POS. Lems be cried.

#39 Edited by scatteh316 (4909 posts) -

@lunar1122 said:

watch as the xbox 1 is still 720p'ish after dx 12 releases.. Come on people. Direct X isnt the reason the xbone sucks.. Its the amount of ROPS and the terrible RAM configuration in the bone. Nothing they can do will help or solve that situation until some new hardware is put out there.

I love it when people who obviously don't know d!ck about hardware and software try and talk like they do using buzz words...

He's correct though, 16 ROP's is really piss poor for a next gen console aiming for 1080p.

#40 Posted by NFJSupreme (5302 posts) -

2x the performance seems like a marketing ploy to me.

#41 Edited by tdkmillsy (1324 posts) -

Stardock CEO Brad Wardell who made the claims has experience of working with AMD Mantle and DirectX 11 and now 12. He has the experience to back up his claims.

Dev's will be sceptical until they have seen it in action.

I don't believe it will double performance except in specific situation's but it will have a big improvement.

I've had enough talking about it now, there's no point until E3 (unless someone releases something earlier). I will end by saying I'm under no elusions that the PS4 has better hardware and expect it to settle at 900p/1080p everything the same and if you where that bothered at that point you would get a PC.

#42 Edited by misterpmedia (3380 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR.

You did do that. I noticed. The link I posted is a good video showing the developer not only in the article but also on his twitter when he was asked to follow up. The bottom line is this is a developer who is currently working with the API and he is clearly amazed by it and has no working benefit for MS he is just a developer. The skeptics are people who have no working experience with the API so clearly the Developer should be believed over the skeptics who have no hands on experience like the developer who is again currently working with it,. He also explains how no the current API is no close because he says the new DX12 API lets you work on multiple cores whereas the current API is a single cored mainly.

I realize this is MASSIVE butthurt to PS fanboys but until other developers who have worked with this same new DX API come out and say this guy is lying this needs to be considered FACT!!! and it's looking like the X1 is exactly what MS has said all along a system that will grow in power over time. Also look how big the heat sink is on the X1 MS clearly new this all along so if the GPU runs harder they are prepared.

You realise people aren't saying the API won't improve things, the PR and nonsense comes from some specific statements like doubling the speed, the performance, "giving Xbox owners a brand new GPU". I mean come on, you have to be an absolute diehard lem to sink deep into this all the way up to the neck.

Quotes from MS and Devs > one random dev.

Not to mention it's slated for holiday 2015. Damn.

"Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this. http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one”"

So this isn't OK but all the cows screaming: PS4 is 50% more powerful than Xbox One. Was OK?

Cows are the biggest hypocrites on the Internet.

When there's evidence that the PS4 is performing better at running games that's pretty justified. Even Sony execs were saying you'd be seeing superior performance straight off the bat at the get go. That's happened, fact. Now something magical has come along from MS to 'assure us' that everything will get better even though it's known that Xbone has weaker specs and has evidence of inferior multiplatform games, hell even the exclusives aren't fairing too well either. Hypocrites? Nah, just a lot more realistic, we've been burned once before you know ;).

#43 Edited by menes777 (2643 posts) -
@rocky_denace said:

MS isn't dumb they aren't the biggest computer company in the world for nothing.

That would be because they play hardball and have used less than ethical business practices. They set themselves up as a monopoly in PC operating systems as well as office products. So no they aren't dumb but that doesn't mean they can do all the crap they try to sell as well. They just are better at tricking the suckers into believing it.

At one point it was career suicide to write an honest review of a MS product. MS would blacklist the reviewer and his company so they weren't invited back. Naturally MS got good reviews on all of their products, surprise surprise.

#44 Edited by Locutus_Picard (3980 posts) -

@FastRobby You think Sony is not going to improve upon their tools too? I mean, while Microsoft is scrambling to achieve parity with launch-PS4...Sony will improve PS4 in tech, tools & performance. The 50% gap will only grow, to even 60%.

#45 Posted by scatteh316 (4909 posts) -

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

I did say ignore the Sony quote, but apparently you can't read lol.

Also less linking to the article which is clearly PR.

You did do that. I noticed. The link I posted is a good video showing the developer not only in the article but also on his twitter when he was asked to follow up. The bottom line is this is a developer who is currently working with the API and he is clearly amazed by it and has no working benefit for MS he is just a developer. The skeptics are people who have no working experience with the API so clearly the Developer should be believed over the skeptics who have no hands on experience like the developer who is again currently working with it,. He also explains how no the current API is no close because he says the new DX12 API lets you work on multiple cores whereas the current API is a single cored mainly.

I realize this is MASSIVE butthurt to PS fanboys but until other developers who have worked with this same new DX API come out and say this guy is lying this needs to be considered FACT!!! and it's looking like the X1 is exactly what MS has said all along a system that will grow in power over time. Also look how big the heat sink is on the X1 MS clearly new this all along so if the GPU runs harder they are prepared.

You realise people aren't saying the API won't improve things, the PR and nonsense comes from some specific statements like doubling the speed, the performance, "giving Xbox owners a brand new GPU". I mean come on, you have to be an absolute diehard lem to sink deep into this all the way up to the neck.

Quotes from MS and Devs > one random dev.

Not to mention it's slated for holiday 2015. Damn.

"Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this. http://www.neowin.net/news/directx-12-a-game-changer-for-xbox-one”"

So this isn't OK but all the cows screaming: PS4 is 50% more powerful than Xbox One. Was OK?

Cows are the biggest hypocrites on the Internet.

That's because PS4 IS 50% faster......

50% more shader power, 50% more texture units and 100% more fillrate...

#46 Posted by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

This will live up to expectations, just like Kinect Rivals.

#47 Posted by CrownKingArthur (4688 posts) -

its amazing how many words a fanboy will type

#48 Posted by Boggle_Dragon (95 posts) -

@darkangel115: I never claimed otherwise. My point is you cant just claim a GPU can be boosted by 100% without showing anything to prove it. Its unheard of and ridiculous. MS have said nothing on the issue which for now proves my point.

Are those the new AMD GPUs designed for development and 3d modelling? Will they make multiplats run 10x better than ps4? Iv yet to see a game that looks 2x as good as Infamous Second Sun.

#49 Edited by StormyJoe (5124 posts) -

@scatteh316 said:

@StormyJoe said:

@lunar1122 said:

watch as the xbox 1 is still 720p'ish after dx 12 releases.. Come on people. Direct X isnt the reason the xbone sucks.. Its the amount of ROPS and the terrible RAM configuration in the bone. Nothing they can do will help or solve that situation until some new hardware is put out there.

I love it when people who obviously don't know d!ck about hardware and software try and talk like they do using buzz words...

He's correct though, 16 ROP's is really piss poor for a next gen console aiming for 1080p.

Look, I have been writing software for... well, more years than I care to admit to. And, I will tell you first hand that optimized APIs can significantly improve an applications performance, just like poorly written APIs can cripple it. So without having any benchmark comparisons between DX 11's API performance and DX 12's API performance, making a blanket comment like "Its all because of hardware piece X" is nothing short of pure ignorance.

The difference between the PS4 and XB1 is, in the large scale of things, relatively minor. If you apply Moore's Law, the difference doesn't even amount to 1 CPU generation (2 years). So, is a 1-2 year old high end PC that much slower than a brand new high end PC?

#50 Posted by highking_kallor (518 posts) -

@shawn30 said:

@rocky_denace said:

@misterpmedia said:

Ignore the PS4 dev, seems like a pointless comment. More quotes at the source.

PS4 ICE Team programmer Cort Stratton added that, “New SDKs can significantly improve performance on the same hardware, yes. Dunno about DX12/X1 specifically, of course; not my dept.

He also said that people have a right to be skeptical about performance gains. “Good; always be suspicious of ANY perf. improvement claims. e.g. what *exactly* got 50-100% faster? Faster than what? Details!”

Treyarch software engineer Dan Olson had a less amused take. “Here’s an article… no idea why people go on record for stuff like this.”

Programmer Dean Ashton found it downright hilarious. Either that or life-threatening judging by his response. “2x perf on Xbox One when using DX12? That article nearly made me choke on my cup of tea.”

Read more at http://gamingbolt.com/devs-react-to-...AoDlY3FJqQ5.99

Seems it's not just the fanboys that are skeptical. Discuss.

Of course Sony engineers will try to be skeptic lol not to mention Sony engineers are the ones who claimed 4d 120fps LOL. Listen this is all you need to see. This is coming from a developer who has direct working experience with this API the skeptics have never touched this API. No reason to not believe this guy he is a developer and is currently working with it so he should be believed over any skeptics who have not worked with it.

Truth is X1 going be getting a major performance boost this is FACT!!!

https://games.yahoo.com/news/game-changing-double-xbox-one-performance-220009671.html

As always the truth is in the real-time footage to be shown. There's zero doubt DirectX 12 will improve Xbox One graphics. To what degree E3 will reveal. I'm excited though.

So what sort of boost has previous direct x updates given on the xbox platform? Serious question. There must be some history here if all you ms fans are biting.