Devil May Cry fans destroy brand out of spite

DMC4 was a legitamently good game.OneSanitarium

Foolishness Capcom.....foolishness.

Stringerboy

It wasn't Capcom.

The monkeys at Capcom are blaming the fans for killing the franchise and that we brought this by ourself. And not only that... They say the fans revolted only because they dared to change Dante's hair color.   :lol:

 

BTW, the game hasn't even sold a third of what DMC4 sold by the same time-frame and with a much lower fanbase. :lol:

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/02/05/are-fans-to-blame-for-lower-than-expected-dmc-sales/

Gue1

Capcom will get them back when the "fans" start b****ing about there not being another DMC

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]DMC4 was a legitamently good game.Zeviander

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]DMC4 was a legitamently good game.Zeviander

Nero was easy to play. You had a grab that produced enjoyable and different animations on all the characters, as well as a really strong gun. You don't need to have extreme button management to do well with Nero. The Ex-Act was easy to use (the 1 bar isntant charge, not the Max-Act, which are something like 15 and 3 frames respectively to do in a 60 fps environment)

Dante had a lot of strong things to do, players don't need to do a ton of things within Dantes very overwhelming move set (of around 120 different moves at one time). Distorted Real Impact was good against bosses, DT Stinger clears enemies fast, and learning to do a simple jump cancel alone makes a lot of things very easy to utilize with Shotun JC on fausts and mephistos, JC aerial rave on basic enemies, JC lucifers j.Triangle on some bosses.

You don't need to get the most out of the combat system to enjoy it, but being able to do so I would agree makes it easier to look past the flaws of HALFGAME EVERBOSS3TIMES DANTEFOR8MISSIONSANDDOESNTEVENGETOFIGHTTHETWOBESTBOSSES.

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]DMC4 was a legitamently good game.DrTrafalgarLaw

[QUOTE="Zeviander"][QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]DMC4 was a legitamently good game.DrTrafalgarLaw

It's cute what you're trying to do, but could you maybe chill out even a little?

what i find so funny is people are always going if you dont like it then dont buy your just the vocal minority and then when nobody bought it everyone starts crying fanboy also heres a qoute that fits that explains this games situation with the fans. The Anti-DmC argument is something like : DmC has downgraded difficulty from the past games, it has less variety in weapons as the previous entries (especially DMC3), has less moves at one time that DMC4 has with some moves doing essentially the same thing, and overall shoddy mechanics (JC window and hitboxes, dodge stuffs, etc). Not to mention some questionable things in the story like Dante changing his entire goal to get laid, and the brothers randomly hating each other because of what seems to be an overstatement, though pretty crudely stated with the humans needing to be protected. Wasn't exactly wrong.

The Pro-DmC argument will then say: Why the **** are you complaining about the hair though? It's the same guy just a little different in ONE department. ****ing fanboy.

Nickmanx5

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sucks for all the whiners who neglect to play a great hack and slash game over a cosmetic change. I have played and loved every DMC game (except the non existant DMC2) including this one.

FlamesOfGrey

It's a decent game. It's good, but no where as good as 3 and 4. I don't say that based off the story or characters (that's a different discussion), but rather the combat since that is the most important thing for these kind of games. I miss lock-on, Trickster, and Royalguard the most. I also didn't like having to "double tap" forward to do certain moves such as Stinger. but that's just me. Aquilia should have had more combos to do since that weapon is cool. The camera needed more work since there are a few enemies that are made for lock-on.

The game doesn't deserve the "super extreme" hate it is receiving since a lot of the reasons are minor (such as appearance [first impressions hurt]), but concerns regarding combat are generally valid since whether you like the combat better or not, there has been a serious cut back in mechanics. It doesn't flow as smoothly as it used to, if that makes sense.

I could go into extreme detail about all the good and bad this game does, but I'm sure no one on here cares enough to discuss design.

Also, to repeat again, Capcom didn't say this. A writer for MCV did.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

You still don't make sense.. So because not every player is an expert then you butcher the combat system for a much simpler less rewarding one? Most DMC players are good enough to know the difference between a good combat system and trash in comparison.

GD1551

I already stated that they didn't have to dumb it down, my main point is that they loudest complainers aren't affected it by it since most of them can't do anything near to what they link videos of.

DMC " Press X to F*CK YOU!"L0mak

Edited for accuracy.

This thread taught me that people are stupid and have no idea why DMC fans dislike DmC and end up assuming the dislike is entirely because of aesthetics.

Well, didn't really tech me it, i already knew that. More so it just reafirmed my thoughts on it.

OneSanitarium

The sad thing is that the sales have NOTHING to do with the quality of the game, but instead one pathetic fanbase's unwillingness to accept change.

If you're willing to accept the existence of Devil May Cry 2, and accept the laziness behind DMC4, then this new game shouldn't be an issue.

drinkerofjuice

Fans are fans because they like something the way it is.  If you change it, you can't expect the people who were fans to remain fans, and you can only hope your changed product produces its own fans.

Capcom are dumb.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

This thread taught me that people are stupid and have no idea why DMC fans dislike DmC and end up assuming the dislike is entirely because of aesthetics.

Well, didn't really tech me it, i already knew that. More so it just reafirmed my thoughts on it.

Douevenlift_bro

To be honest I thought the inclusion of Nero in DMC4 made the gameplay accessible as can be. Apparently still too tough for some... lol

Fans are fans because they like something the way it is.  If you change it, you can't expect the people who were fans to remain fans, and you can only hope your changed product produces its own fans.

 

Capcom are dumb.

Pug-Nasty

And now watch as Capcom tosses the franchise into the rubbish bin alongside Megaman.

The fans did act stupidly IMO, but on the same token, Capcom should have run a tighter ship with NT instead of letting them throw things into the game that directly mock the people playing. I blame both parties for the mess the franchise is currently facing.

[QUOTE="Douevenlift_bro"]

See this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e23c_HDPo7Y

THAT is Devil May Cry. Bring that back or rot in obscurity.

seanmcloughlin

All I ever see is super good players complaining about the new combos or combat. Honestly when I played Devil May Cry in the past I always stuck to the basic combos because it was daunting to get really good at it. 

It's just me but the new system, while very dumbed down, fits an audience like myself who don't have the time or desire to be really really good at it. I just want to sit down and play and not have to think much. 

I understand the hate for the combat but it's not that bad. You want good combat then play DMC 3 or 4. They're still there

So to you, it is perfectly okay to dumb down a franchise's once deep combat system to something so mind-numbingly simple compared to what it used to be?

Just because you don't have time to get good at video games, doesn't mean those that do should have to pay the price.

[QUOTE="FlamesOfGrey"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

Sucks for all the whiners who neglect to play a great hack and slash game over a cosmetic change. I have played and loved every DMC game (except the non existant DMC2) including this one.

rjdofu

[QUOTE="drinkerofjuice"]

The sad thing is that the sales have NOTHING to do with the quality of the game, but instead one pathetic fanbase's unwillingness to accept change.

If you're willing to accept the existence of Devil May Cry 2, and accept the laziness behind DMC4, then this new game shouldn't be an issue.

Lotus-Edge

As many have already stated , Capcom said none of that. 

DmC was a good game despite what naysayers say. To those complaining about how easy the game is : try finishing Hell and Hell. And if anyone is passing on DmC because of Dante's hair then you should know that [spoiler] Dante's hair turns white permanently at the end of the game [/spoiler] fend_oblivion

juding a games difficulty by the highest unlockable setting, that makes total sense.

[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]DmC was a good game despite what naysayers say. To those complaining about how easy the game is : try finishing Hell and Hell. And if anyone is passing on DmC because of Dante's hair then you should know that [spoiler] Dante's hair turns white permanently at the end of the game [/spoiler] ReadingRainbow4

juding a games difficulty by the highest unlockable setting, that makes total sense.

I can't say the same for DmC, but DMC games are meant to be played at DMD. Hell and Hell not so much, but counting DMD isn't odd.

Of course that isn't whats going on here.

[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]DmC was a good game despite what naysayers say. To those complaining about how easy the game is : try finishing Hell and Hell. And if anyone is passing on DmC because of Dante's hair then you should know that [spoiler] Dante's hair turns white permanently at the end of the game [/spoiler] ReadingRainbow4

juding a games difficulty by the highest unlockable setting, that makes total sense.

thats what everyone is doing with previous DMC games. I've seen the argument "The only people who will enjoy then ew DMC is the people who can't S rank every mission on DMC 3/4) used on this board more than once.

[QUOTE="ReadingRainbow4"]

[QUOTE="fend_oblivion"]DmC was a good game despite what naysayers say. To those complaining about how easy the game is : try finishing Hell and Hell. And if anyone is passing on DmC because of Dante's hair then you should know that [spoiler] Dante's hair turns white permanently at the end of the game [/spoiler] OneSanitarium

juding a games difficulty by the highest unlockable setting, that makes total sense.

I can't say the same for DmC, but DMC games are meant to be played at DMD. Hell and Hell not so much, but counting DMD isn't odd.

Of course that isn't whats going on here.

honstly if someone found the initial runthrough on the hardest default a boring treadmill, who is going to run through it again on H&H.

I agree about DMD.

LOL Capcom blaming the DMC fans that is too funny. They should be blaming themselves because the game was just average and not great.

as long as Capcom keeps relying on Western devs to reboot their Japanese franchises they are never going to succeed. Just look at what Ninja Theory did to DMC; they turned the franchise into some kind of pretentious, emo, angsty tale about white collar demons... DMC can't take itself seriously or be serious, the franchise needs to become more over the top and ridiculous for it to evolve. It needs to be more like Bayonetta and I don't think any Western dev would be able to achieve that. Western devs love to make realistic games with tons of cinematics and that's not what DMC is about.

I avoided it because Capcom got rid of the staff that made DMC games, forced them to leave and form Platinum Gameslamprey263

Kamiya only worked on the first game. DMC after that was handled by Hideaki Itsuno and his team.

I avoided it because Capcom got rid of the staff that made DMC games, forced them to leave and form Platinum Gameslamprey263

No they didn't. Maybe for the first DMC, but the series was passed over to Itsuno for 2-4.

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I avoided it because Capcom got rid of the staff that made DMC games, forced them to leave and form Platinum GamesOneSanitarium

No they didn't. Maybe for the first DMC, but the series was passed over to Itsuno for 2-4.

[QUOTE="OneSanitarium"]

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]I avoided it because Capcom got rid of the staff that made DMC games, forced them to leave and form Platinum Gameslamprey263

No they didn't. Maybe for the first DMC, but the series was passed over to Itsuno for 2-4.

It's because they outsouced the stories for HS and Enslaved.

To those complaining about how easy the game is : try finishing Hell and Hell. fend_oblivion

The fanbase is what I find truly pathetic. The best part is when they praise DMC4 as if it was even remotely close to being a good game. It had one of the worst plots, writing and character dialogue I've ever heard.

Hell, I had more fun playing the decade old blood omen and soul reaver because at least, those games featured much better writing and plots than the abysmal wreck that is dmc4

that game was awesome

The fanbase is what I find truly pathetic. The best part is when they praise DMC4 as if it was even remotely close to being a good game. It had one of the worst plots, writing and character dialogue I've ever heard.

Hell, I had more fun playing the decade old blood omen and soul reaver because at least, those games featured much better writing and plots than the abysmal wreck that is dmc4

omenodebander

You my friend just listed 3 things that have no effect on if a game is good.

The fanbase is what I find truly pathetic. The best part is when they praise DMC4 as if it was even remotely close to being a good game. It had one of the worst plots, writing and character dialogue I've ever heard.

Hell, I had more fun playing the decade old blood omen and soul reaver because at least, those games featured much better writing and plots than the abysmal wreck that is dmc4

omenodebander

try finishing Hell and Hell. fend_oblivion

A game has to kill you in one hit in order to be judged as "hard."

That's the definition of fake difficulty.

The fanbase is what I find truly pathetic. The best part is when they praise DMC4 as if it was even remotely close to being a good game. It had one of the worst plots, writing and character dialogue I've ever heard.

Hell, I had more fun playing the decade old blood omen and soul reaver because at least, those games featured much better writing and plots than the abysmal wreck that is dmc4

omenodebander

DMC4 had the best gameplay. If you're expecting cRPG level of story from an action-adventure, then you're playing the wrong games.

The new Devil May Cry is great. Gamers have become a complete embaressment. The last 4 or 5 years has been pretty pathetic. It is no wonder people consider hard core gamers geeks and immature.

The new Devil May Cry is great. Gamers have become a complete embaressment. The last 4 or 5 years has been pretty pathetic. It is no wonder people consider hard core gamers geeks and immature.

timbers_WSU

Go to bed Tameem.

IMO Capcom can eat a d#ck you reap what you sow. Ignore your fans and this is what you get , If they had just kept the old look alot of this could have been avoided, and its not like it would have cost them anything at all. This one simple act could have made the difference. But essentially what they decided to ( as with many companies these days) do was sacrifice their fans in order to get the mythical mainstream audience and money. And now that they have failed its the fans fault.

The fanbase is what I find truly pathetic. The best part is when they praise DMC4 as if it was even remotely close to being a good game. It had one of the worst plots, writing and character dialogue I've ever heard.

Hell, I had more fun playing the decade old blood omen and soul reaver because at least, those games featured much better writing and plots than the abysmal wreck that is dmc4

omenodebander