DDR4 memory adoption faces some delays

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#1 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2018Sushiglutton

#2 Posted by PC_Otter (1623 posts) -

System RAM on the PC needs to go and be fully replaced by unified graphics RAM like on the consoles.

8GB GDDR5 > 6GB DDR3 + 2GB GDDR5 ;)

nameless12345

Technically system RAM can act as such as with APUs. But because it's relatively slower in bandwidth, dedicated graphics cards will have dedicated high speed pools of RAM. A unified setup could be drastically more expensive for builders (if forced to go quad channel or more) and depending on the memory type, it could be detrimental to performance actually as compared to dedicated pools for system and video. Current PCs are already pretty good with gobs of low latency system RAM when paired with modern high end GPUs get a healthy amount of dedicated GDDR5 (2 GB or more) across a wide 256+ bit bus.

#3 Posted by NoodleFighter (7091 posts) -

Not really surprising since since no CPUs besides Haswell E will support DDR4 this year

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2034175/adoption-of-ddr4-memory-facing-delays.html

It's dat GDDR6 I care about

 

DDR4's arrival

The final specification for the DDR4 standard was published by JEDEC Solid State Technology Association in September 2012. In addition to power-saving and performance improvements, DDR4 is a highly reliable form of DRAM with more debugging and diagnostic tools to prevent errors, said Scott Schaefer, a representative for JEDEC.

A broad spectrum of DRAM suppliers, system manufacturers, third-party contractors and test equipment companies are involved in the development and testing of DDR4, Schaefer said. He could not speak to when DDR4 would reach the market, saying it was up to JEDEC member companies to announce products.

But analysts said that DDR4 will likely take on volume shipments starting in 2015 or 2016, starting in servers followed by client devices like PCs.

Research firm IC Insights is predicting DDR4 sales volumes to overtake DDR3 in 2016 at the earliest. By the end of this year, the research firm is projecting DDR3 to account for 86 percent of DRAM market share, followed by DDR2 at 8 percen,t and DDR at 2 percent, with other forms of memory such as PC-133 graphics DRAM and a very small amount of DDR4 accounting for the remaining 4 percent.

DDR4 is the successor to DDR3, and consumes 20 percent to 40 percent less power while offering double the throughput of its predecessor.

#4 Posted by faizan_faizan (7866 posts) -
It's dat GDDR6 I care about.NoodleFighter
#5 Posted by Sushiglutton (5340 posts) -
Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016
#6 Posted by EZs (1362 posts) -
PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?
#7 Posted by Zaibach (13457 posts) -

Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton

 

#8 Posted by Nonstop-Madness (9486 posts) -
[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?

GDDR =/= DDR. Common misconception.
#9 Posted by BPoole96 (22803 posts) -
[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?

PCs have had GDDR5 for years
#10 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

That makes the PS4 the only next gen platform.

Cheleman
:cool: Dat GDDR5. #ThankyouBasedKaz
#11 Posted by faizan_faizan (7866 posts) -
Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton
Not sure if serious, I doubt you're trolling, For a console gamer, Learning PC tech is like learning how to crap for a 3 year old (It's as messy as it gets).
#12 Posted by NoodleFighter (7091 posts) -

[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?BPoole96
PCs have had GDDR5 for years

I wonder if all the devs that praised sony for having GDDR5 RAM will be anywhere seen when GDDR6 comes out for PCs

#13 Posted by NFJSupreme (5379 posts) -

PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?EZs

 

PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5.  Two different things.  DDR5 doesn't exist and GDDR5 has been on PCs for years now.

#14 Posted by Cheleman (7707 posts) -

That makes the PS4 the only next gen platform.

#15 Posted by BPoole96 (22803 posts) -

[QUOTE="BPoole96"][QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?NoodleFighter

PCs have had GDDR5 for years

I wonder if all the devs that praised sony for having GDDR5 RAM will be anywhere seen when GDDR6 comes out for PCs

I doubt it, they're just excited to be working with newer tech than the ancient tech found in PS3. I will probably upgrade again before GDDR6 is out so it will be a long time before a large amount of people even have it in their systems.
#16 Posted by lostrib (37791 posts) -

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"] PCs have had GDDR5 for yearsBPoole96

I wonder if all the devs that praised sony for having GDDR5 RAM will be anywhere seen when GDDR6 comes out for PCs

I doubt it, they're just excited to be working with newer tech than the ancient tech found in PS3. I will probably upgrade again before GDDR6 is out so it will be a long time before a large amount of people even have it in their systems.

I think they were just happy to have a decent amount of RAM to work with, regardless if it was GDDR5 or not

#17 Posted by PublicNuisance (4582 posts) -

Few if any games make use of very fast RAM so I'm not all that sad. I use DDR3-1333 and when I had my 6970 I was maxing out games like Alan Wake, BF3, Witcher 2 just fine with frame rates in the 40's and 50's. I plan to upgrade to DDR3-2133 soon but only because I will have the money to do so, not because I have the need to do so.

#18 Posted by Mozuckint (786 posts) -

Posted same story in the PC hardware section a few hours ago lol.

That being said, I would at this point REALLY prefer for memory oem's to start additional research into stacked memory and start pumping out HMC products if they aren't jumping on DDR4 right away.

#19 Posted by Jebus213 (8899 posts) -

and there will be zero performance benfit when it comes to gaming and general usage.

 

Just like going from DDR2 to DDR3.

#20 Posted by ChubbyGuy40 (26185 posts) -

Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton

It's not nice to lie to them like that.

#21 Posted by MK-Professor (3829 posts) -

PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?EZs

No, it means that PS4 will catch up with a pc from 2009.

#22 Posted by nameless12345 (15125 posts) -

System RAM on the PC needs to go and be fully replaced by unified graphics RAM like on the consoles.

8GB GDDR5 > 6GB DDR3 + 2GB GDDR5 ;)

#23 Posted by pelvist (4873 posts) -

PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?EZs

PCs have used GDDR5 in video cards since 2008.

 

Stacked memory seems like the next step forward, not sure weather it will be using GDDR5 or 6 though. Either way being able to transfer an entire blu-ray disc worth of data in 1/3 of a second should spice things up a bit for PC gamers.

#24 Posted by Zeviander (9503 posts) -
Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton
Because using graphics memory as system memory is so advanced.
#25 Posted by Mrmedia01 (1917 posts) -

Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton

 

Yeah kind of true for ram lol. I have never heard of a PC that has 8GB of DDR5 (DDR not GDDr3 or some other crap , 8GB's of solid DDR5 Braz lol)

#26 Posted by Mrmedia01 (1917 posts) -

[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?danjammer69
If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

#28 Posted by NFJSupreme (5379 posts) -

[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?Mrmedia01

If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

 

 

And yet the ps4 struggled to run a dumbed down UE4 tech demo while a 680 ran it flawlessly a year ago. So much for the 8GB GDDR5....

#29 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -

[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?Mrmedia01

If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

  GDDR5 does squat for most cpu workloads. low latency> bandwidth after a specific point .

Which is why Pc's with 8gb DDR3 will be just fine since DDR3 is meant for system/cpu use. It's no different from the xbox 360 using unfied GDDR3 for its memory when pc's had DDR and DDR2, And those pc's with DDR2 to this day can outclass it.

#30 Posted by clyde46 (46634 posts) -

[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?MK-Professor

No, it means that PS4 will catch up with a pc from 2009.

My 4870 had 512mb of GDDR5.
#31 Posted by ronvalencia (15130 posts) -
[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?

According to vgleaks, PS4's CPU memory connection is less than 20GB/s. Most of PS4's GDDR5 bandwidth is for the GPU.
#32 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?

According to vgleaks, PS4's CPU memory connection is less than 20GB/s. Most of PS4's GDDR5 bandwidth is for the GPU.

ie uses less bandwidth then DDR3 1333mhz in dual channel.
#33 Posted by danjammer69 (4122 posts) -
[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?

If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.
#34 Posted by lostrib (37791 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Mrmedia01

 

Yeah kind of true for ram lol. I have never heard of a PC that has 8GB of DDR5 (DDR not GDDr3 or some other crap , 8GB's of solid DDR5 Braz lol)

 

Nothing has DDR5

#35 Posted by Mrmedia01 (1917 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

[QUOTE="danjammer69"] If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.lostrib

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB DDR5. hahahaha .

DDR5 doesnt exist

Meant GDDR5

#36 Posted by lostrib (37791 posts) -

[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?Mrmedia01

If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

No

#37 Posted by adamosmaki (9657 posts) -

Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton

Not really. PS4 has an amazing hidden technology that allows to autoupdate its self. By the time loser hermits get GDDR5 PS4 will have like GDDR 8. Its also rumored its using quantum computing and that those 8gb will actually become 24Gb by the end of PS4 lifetime. Thank you Sony

#38 Posted by faizan_faizan (7866 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

[QUOTE="danjammer69"] If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.04dcarraher

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

  GDDR5 does squat for most cpu workloads. low latency> bandwidth after a specific point .

Pretty much was gonna say the same thing.

#39 Posted by Sushiglutton (5340 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016ChubbyGuy40

It's not nice to lie to them like that.

Sorry I just can't help myself ;). These herms take things so seriously that my trolling fingers starts itching lol.
#40 Posted by MK-Professor (3829 posts) -

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?clyde46

No, it means that PS4 will catch up with a pc from 2009.

My 4870 had 512mb of GDDR5.

yeah, but only 115GB/s of memory bandwidth:(

HD5870(from 2009) had 154GB/s of memory bandwidth just like the ps4 (after subtracting the memory bandwidth the cpu use)

#41 Posted by faizan_faizan (7866 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

No, it means that PS4 will catch up with a pc from 2009.

MK-Professor

My 4870 had 512mb of GDDR5.

yeah, but only 115GB/s of memory bandwidth:(

HD5870(from 2009) had 154GB/s of memory bandwidth just like the ps4 (after subtracting the memory bandwidth the cpu use)

Don't know much about bandwidth consumption, How much do you think the CPU will require? (On the PS4).
#42 Posted by MK-Professor (3829 posts) -

[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] My 4870 had 512mb of GDDR5.faizan_faizan

yeah, but only 115GB/s of memory bandwidth:(

HD5870(from 2009) had 154GB/s of memory bandwidth just like the ps4 (after subtracting the memory bandwidth the cpu use)

Don't know much about bandwidth consumption, How much do you think the CPU will require? (On the PS4).

around 20GB/s

#43 Posted by gamerman1011 (73 posts) -

[QUOTE="Mrmedia01"]

[QUOTE="danjammer69"] If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.NFJSupreme

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

 

 

And yet the ps4 struggled to run a dumbed down UE4 tech demo while a 680 ran it flawlessly a year ago. So much for the 8GB GDDR5....

lawl thats true, ps4 sux dumb cows
#44 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -
[QUOTE="MK-Professor"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] My 4870 had 512mb of GDDR5.faizan_faizan

yeah, but only 115GB/s of memory bandwidth:(

HD5870(from 2009) had 154GB/s of memory bandwidth just like the ps4 (after subtracting the memory bandwidth the cpu use)

Don't know much about bandwidth consumption, How much do you think the CPU will require? (On the PS4).

no more then 20gb/s
#45 Posted by 04dcarraher (19686 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"]Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016adamosmaki

Not really. PS4 has an amazing hidden technology that allows to autoupdate its self. By the time loser hermits get GDDR5 PS4 will have like GDDR 8. Its also rumored its using quantum computing and that those 8gb will actually become 24Gb by the end of PS4 lifetime. Thank you Sony

omg he cant be serious :lol: PS4 Pc 8 core jaguar < Phenom 2 x4 above 3ghz 8gb of GDDR5 memory< 8 or 16 gb DDR3 with dedicated video memory 1.84 TFLOP< 7870/GTX 660 or better aka 7970 or GTX 680 already 2x+ faster
#46 Posted by Link3301 (1707 posts) -

PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?EZs

PS4 has GDDR5 which is based off of DDR3.

#47 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

[QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?Link3301

PS4 has GDDR5 which is based off of DDR3.

So, yes. PC will be a generation behind. SDC :cool:
#48 Posted by II_Seraphim_II (20494 posts) -
Just to summarize for people that may not be all that tech savy: PC will catch up to Ps4 sometime in 2016Sushiglutton
lololololol. popcorn time!
#50 Posted by danjammer69 (4122 posts) -

[QUOTE="danjammer69"][QUOTE="EZs"]PS4 will have DDR5. Does that mean PC is one generation behind?Mrmedia01

If you want to play that game, well then you are wrong. PS4 has GDDR5 not DDR5. GPUs in PC's have been using GDDR5 for quite some time now. Nobody is using DDR5 at the moment as DDR4 is yet to even release.

 

PC's have still never used 8GB's of GDDR5. The have to SLI there high powered Video Cards just to get 4GB GDDR5. hahahaha .

Yea, um....Doesn't work like that. PC GPU ram does not add up when in an SLI/Crossfire configuration. BTW, I want a PS4 just as bad as some of these other folks, but I am not about to make myself look like a total ass and try to compare PS4 to PC tech. It just isn't logical.