Could this be the best E3 coming up?

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Poll: Could this be the best E3 coming up? (27 votes)

Yes 89%
No 11%

You have Sony finally having their delayed releases coming out, You got Phil Spencer leading Xbox on, and you got Nintendo releasing a report to investors about more focus on showing off the Gamepad features and NFC.

The amount of nears and future released games at this E3 will probably be 3x as exciting as back in 2007.

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#1 Posted by SolidGame_basic (16080 posts) -

Yes, it'll be good. It's cut throat these days, they gotta bring their A game.

#2 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (8611 posts) -

Does it matter.... ? The real thing never lives up to the E3 Demo.

#3 Posted by CrownKingArthur (3808 posts) -

technically, i guess it could.

#4 Posted by Gue1 (9174 posts) -

bombshells everywhere.

#5 Posted by clr84651 (5285 posts) -

Last E3 was very good with MS looking dumb & Sony making them look even dumber. This E3 could be the best besides that.

#6 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

technically, i guess it could.

Yes, of the upcoming E3s on my calender this does seem like the best one coming up.

It might even be (dare I say it) the best upcoming E3 this year!

#7 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5913 posts) -

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

#8 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

#9 Posted by LadyBlue (3751 posts) -

That is if you own a ps4.

#10 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5913 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

shit muh fucka. I got one word. Phil muh fukn Spenca.

#11 Edited by LadyBlue (3751 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

Lels. "The xbox is going to be much more powerful than the ps4, sony doesn't have the money to build a powerful system, meanwhile Microsoft truck loads!" lol don't forget, "sony will implement drm too, ms wouldn't screw themselves over."

Results?

PS4

50% more powerful

No DRM

Real 1080P gaming

Higher special effects, and better framerate in multiplats

Number 1 in sales

_____

Xbone

Weak hardware, and still looking for hidden gpgpu, and secret sauces, with a hint of dx12.

Dead last in sales for boners.

Downgrades to their entire e3 line up(ryse, Forza, DR3)

Framerate issues(lol dead rising , and it's 10fps slide show)

Sub-1080P gaming, (lol metal gear solid V 720P@60FPS, meanwhile ps4 version has better textures, effects,clouds, 1080P, and 60FPS) "game looks beautiful upscaled to faux 1080P" said a delusional lemming

Terrible picture degradation with crushed blacks, and filters , with huge loss of details in games.

Booom!! lems be owned, lems be extra mad.

#12 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (12848 posts) -

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

shit muh fucka. I got one word. Phil muh fukn Spenca.

You can't play Phil Spencer.

#13 Posted by LadyBlue (3751 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

shit muh fucka. I got one word. Phil muh fukn Spenca.

You can't play Phil Spencer.

It's all they have to look forward too. Sad bunch got lied to by their "saviors" "no way we give up that much in performance", blam deceived.

#14 Posted by Gue1 (9174 posts) -

I wonder who's gonna be the presenter for Sony this year now that Jack Tretton retired... Maybe Shu? But his English is so bad I don't think it'd be a good idea. mmmm

#15 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5913 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

Lels. "The xbox is going to be much more powerful than the ps4, sony doesn't have the money to build a powerful system, meanwhile Microsoft truck loads!" lol don't forget, "sony will implement drm too, ms wouldn't screw themselves over."

Results?

PS4

50% more powerful

No DRM

Real 1080P gaming

Higher special effects, and better framerate in multiplats

Number 1 in sales

_____

Xbone

Weak hardware, and still looking for hidden gpgpu, and secret sauces, with a hint of dx12.

Dead last in sales for boners.

Downgrades to their entire e3 line up(ryse, Forza, DR3)

Framerate issues(lol dead rising , and it's 10fps slide show)

Sub-1080P gaming, (lol metal gear solid V 720P@60FPS, meanwhile ps4 version has better textures, effects,clouds, 1080P, and 60FPS) "game looks beautiful upscaled to faux 1080P" said a delusional lemming

Terrible picture degradation with crushed blacks, and filters , with huge loss of details in games.

Booom!! lems be owned, lems be extra mad.

Stopped reading at 50% more powerful. You are so gullible that you believed a comment from a indie dev. Stay brainwashed even this dev retracted his statement.

#16 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (12848 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

I wonder who's gonna be the presenter for Sony this year now that Jack Tretton retired... Maybe Shu? But his English is so bad I don't think it'd be a good idea. mmmm

I'd welcome Shu, he doesn't even have to talk much. Just be his lovable self and show us game after game.

Imagine he's showing off a multiplat, say it's COD. *puke*

"And thisa game will be 1080p on praystation, as you can see by this side by side image, it will be 900p on Microsoft's system, nintendo has not the game."

No Shu No! No!. (Crowd erupts in a mixture of rage and laughter)

#17 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (5913 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

shit muh fucka. I got one word. Phil muh fukn Spenca.

You can't play Phil Spencer.

You cant play DriveClub either.

#18 Posted by LadyBlue (3751 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

Lels. "The xbox is going to be much more powerful than the ps4, sony doesn't have the money to build a powerful system, meanwhile Microsoft truck loads!" lol don't forget, "sony will implement drm too, ms wouldn't screw themselves over."

Results?

PS4

50% more powerful

No DRM

Real 1080P gaming

Higher special effects, and better framerate in multiplats

Number 1 in sales

_____

Xbone

Weak hardware, and still looking for hidden gpgpu, and secret sauces, with a hint of dx12.

Dead last in sales for boners.

Downgrades to their entire e3 line up(ryse, Forza, DR3)

Framerate issues(lol dead rising , and it's 10fps slide show)

Sub-1080P gaming, (lol metal gear solid V 720P@60FPS, meanwhile ps4 version has better textures, effects,clouds, 1080P, and 60FPS) "game looks beautiful upscaled to faux 1080P" said a delusional lemming

Terrible picture degradation with crushed blacks, and filters , with huge loss of details in games.

Booom!! lems be owned, lems be extra mad.

Stopped reading at 50% more powerful. You are so gullible that you believed a comment from a indie dev. Stay brainwashed even this dev retracted his statement.

That's why MGS is running circles around the bone version(1080P60FPS, with better AA, higher quality textures, and special effects, while the xbone version is playing at last gen's resolution, with no AA, and missing special effects. Stay last gen dirty lem. Every multiplats plays, and looks considerably better on the PS4. Don't forget it will be the go to place for online gaming in consoles.

Talks about gullible(nevermind the factual evidence proving me right) even funnier is that you believe that dx12 will give it two times the performance. Stay mad lemming.

#19 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (5913 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@ladyblue said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

Lels. "The xbox is going to be much more powerful than the ps4, sony doesn't have the money to build a powerful system, meanwhile Microsoft truck loads!" lol don't forget, "sony will implement drm too, ms wouldn't screw themselves over."

Results?

PS4

50% more powerful

No DRM

Real 1080P gaming

Higher special effects, and better framerate in multiplats

Number 1 in sales

_____

Xbone

Weak hardware, and still looking for hidden gpgpu, and secret sauces, with a hint of dx12.

Dead last in sales for boners.

Downgrades to their entire e3 line up(ryse, Forza, DR3)

Framerate issues(lol dead rising , and it's 10fps slide show)

Sub-1080P gaming, (lol metal gear solid V 720P@60FPS, meanwhile ps4 version has better textures, effects,clouds, 1080P, and 60FPS) "game looks beautiful upscaled to faux 1080P" said a delusional lemming

Terrible picture degradation with crushed blacks, and filters , with huge loss of details in games.

Booom!! lems be owned, lems be extra mad.

Stopped reading at 50% more powerful. You are so gullible that you believed a comment from a indie dev. Stay brainwashed even this dev retracted his statement.

That's why MGS is running circles around the bone version(1080P60FPS, with better AA, higher quality textures, and special effects, while the xbone version is playing at last gen's resolution, with no AA, and missing special effects. Stay last gen dirty lem. Every multiplats plays, and looks considerably better on the PS4. Don't forget it will be the go to place for online gaming in consoles.

Talks about gullible(nevermind the factual evidence proving me right) even funnier is that you believe that dx12 will give it two times the performance. Stay mad lemming.

Here, from your favorite commercial. Enjoy!

#20 Posted by I_can_haz (6485 posts) -

Yes, it probably is. With Sony dominating I expect M$ and Nintendo to try extra hard to gain relevancy again (especially Nintendo). I don't think it will work out for them but it should be nice to see M$ try to actually please gamers again. I expect Sony to keep dominating as usual, they have the strongest 1st party now and with their dominance in sales I expect a lot of 3rd party devs and publishers will want to be in their camp (everyone likes a winner).

#21 Posted by BigBadBully (559 posts) -

No, this years E3 is just hyped because PS4 and Xbox One have been starving with games. We're all just excited to see what's coming. 2015 E3 will probably be the one to watch. I'm just excited for NHL 15, can't wait. Sports Game of the year.

#22 Edited by LadyBlue (3751 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha: You're a beautiful soul, even if you have questionable taste in gaming.

#23 Edited by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

they have the strongest 1st party now

Some day, this might be true. In a way I even expect it to be. Not today though and not even close lol. They're making all the right moves and I appreciate them for it. It's paying off slowly, but surely. It's just a long uphill battle to dethrone Nintendo as the #1 1st party. Sony only has one team under their belt that even begins to compete with Nintendos stronger studios.

Agreed with the rest though. Sony is in a great position to take this E3 and this generation altogether. MS and especially Nintendo are in desperation mode. Should be an interesting show.

#24 Posted by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

Lels. "The xbox is going to be much more powerful than the ps4, sony doesn't have the money to build a powerful system, meanwhile Microsoft truck loads!" lol don't forget, "sony will implement drm too, ms wouldn't screw themselves over."

Results?

PS4

50% more powerful

No DRM

Real 1080P gaming

Higher special effects, and better framerate in multiplats

Number 1 in sales

_____

Xbone

Weak hardware, and still looking for hidden gpgpu, and secret sauces, with a hint of dx12.

Dead last in sales for boners.

Downgrades to their entire e3 line up(ryse, Forza, DR3)

Framerate issues(lol dead rising , and it's 10fps slide show)

Sub-1080P gaming, (lol metal gear solid V 720P@60FPS, meanwhile ps4 version has better textures, effects,clouds, 1080P, and 60FPS) "game looks beautiful upscaled to faux 1080P" said a delusional lemming

Terrible picture degradation with crushed blacks, and filters , with huge loss of details in games.

Booom!! lems be owned, lems be extra mad.

Not sure if you misunderstood my post or if I'm misunderstanding yours.

I was just taking a jab at how monumentally fucked their last E3 was. Though the point still stands, good or bad, there is no way this E3 will be as entertaining as their last.

#25 Posted by LadyBlue (3751 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

@ConanTheStoner said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

It will be huge. Microsoft's presentation alone will make it the biggest, most ground breaking E3........................Ever.

Yeah, the same could be said of their performance at last years E3 lol. They really took it to a new level.

Honestly, no matter what they pull off this year it will be boring by comparison.

Lels. "The xbox is going to be much more powerful than the ps4, sony doesn't have the money to build a powerful system, meanwhile Microsoft truck loads!" lol don't forget, "sony will implement drm too, ms wouldn't screw themselves over."

Results?

PS4

50% more powerful

No DRM

Real 1080P gaming

Higher special effects, and better framerate in multiplats

Number 1 in sales

_____

Xbone

Weak hardware, and still looking for hidden gpgpu, and secret sauces, with a hint of dx12.

Dead last in sales for boners.

Downgrades to their entire e3 line up(ryse, Forza, DR3)

Framerate issues(lol dead rising , and it's 10fps slide show)

Sub-1080P gaming, (lol metal gear solid V 720P@60FPS, meanwhile ps4 version has better textures, effects,clouds, 1080P, and 60FPS) "game looks beautiful upscaled to faux 1080P" said a delusional lemming

Terrible picture degradation with crushed blacks, and filters , with huge loss of details in games.

Booom!! lems be owned, lems be extra mad.

Not sure if you misunderstood my post or if I'm misunderstanding yours.

I was just taking a jab at how monumentally fucked their last E3 was. Though the point still stands, good or bad, there is no way this E3 will be as entertaining as their last.

Complementing your post. Things were said about how MS wouldn't screw themselves over.

#26 Posted by princeofshapeir (13605 posts) -

Nintendo and Sony will dominate. Don't know about MS, but who really cares about them?

#27 Edited by ConanTheStoner (4463 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

Complementing your post. Things were said about how MS wouldn't screw themselves over.

Oh I see then haha!

Yeah, they need to pull a fucking zoo out of the hat this year. They don't have the limited safety of Nintendos awkward uniqueness and 1st party. They compete on the same exact terms as Sony and so far they're behind in every area that counts. Even a Halo reveal can only go so far. I'm expecting MS to pull a bunch of 3rd party devs onto the stage to reveal multiplats. And sure it generates hype for the show, but when those same games end up on PS4 and PC in better form it doesn't really mean much.

#28 Edited by StrongBlackVine (8403 posts) -
#29 Edited by bfmv2007 (279 posts) -

New IP's? Check
New PS4 and Xbox One Exclusives? Check
Star Wars Battlefront? Check
Uncharted? Check
The Order 1886? Check
Halo? Check
Destiny? Check
Mass Effect? Check
Sunset Overdrive? Check
Dragon Age? Check

Shall I continue?

#30 Posted by mbrockway (3345 posts) -

Its going to be freaking awesome. MS will get back in with some games and SW can get some shiny new xbone supporters to replace all those lens who committed account suicide. Then Sony will shut them down again by announcing a sequel to Uncharted, GT, Demon Souls, and Dark Cloud.

#31 Edited by kinectthedots (1508 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

I wonder who's gonna be the presenter for Sony this year now that Jack Tretton retired... Maybe Shu? But his English is so bad I don't think it'd be a good idea. mmmm

This guy

#32 Posted by Cloud_imperium (1864 posts) -

Great games are going to be at E3 .

#33 Posted by heguain (321 posts) -

definitely.

#34 Posted by mbrockway (3345 posts) -

Banderas being the host would be the greatest thing ever, but only if he plays it completely straight. Not a single elbow raise thingy. Would be even better if he were an actual gamer and excited.

#35 Posted by donalbane (16147 posts) -

Microsoft has a lot to prove, so that will be exciting. Sony has a lot to hold on to, so that will be exciting. Nintendo won't be there, so that will be exciting.

#36 Edited by NathanDrakeSwag (5127 posts) -

For PS4 owners it will be. Gameplay demos of Project Beast, Uncharted 4, The Order, Destiny, Final Fantasy XV and many others.

M$ will have Halo, COD and TV shows. I don't expect much from them.

Nintendo will have Smash, X, Bayonetta 2 and their new Zelda so their core fans should be satisified.

#37 Edited by sts106mat (18796 posts) -

definitely will be the best one for a long time.

Halo, Batman, Star wars, Alien, Destiny etc + hopefully great stuff we haven't heard about.

I dont expect too much news about Mass Effect 4 because of Dragon age, but anything about ME4 at all will be most welcome.

#38 Posted by musicalmac (22693 posts) -

It'll suck without surprises. Please, someone, surprise the crap out of us. Nintendo Wii U price drop to 99USD, Sony's VR headset ready by Christmas, Microsoft spins off Xbox and tries to convince you it's a good thing -- anything we're not expecting is a good thing.

#39 Posted by B4X (2709 posts) -

I'm hyped. Bring on the games!

#40 Edited by uninspiredcup (6980 posts) -

Generally speaking, the only joy to be derived from E3 is the badness.

Game wise, haven't really given a shit about them in years.

#41 Edited by B4X (2709 posts) -

@musicalmac said:

It'll suck without surprises. Please, someone, surprise the crap out of us. Nintendo Wii U price drop to 99USD, Sony's VR headset ready by Christmas, Microsoft spins off Xbox and tries to convince you it's a good thing -- anything we're not expecting is a good thing.

So all positives for every company except Microsoft? How about an EA Xbox division merger? That is more likely to happen with Microsoft's giant Money hat. Or how about an Hostile take over of Sony. Offering Sony share holders 5 US dollars over their current market value of Sony shares.

You guys post around here like a company with a Multi billion dollar profit margin a quarter is some how not going to do something ridiculous?

A company that just bought Nokia. A company that bought Skype with pocket change. You're a mod dude. Come on man...?

#42 Edited by musicalmac (22693 posts) -

@b4x said:

So all positive for every company except Microsoft? How about an EA Xbox division merger? That is more likely to happen with Microsoft giant Money hat. Or how about an Hostile take over of Sony. Offering Sony share holders 5 dollar US of their current value of Sony shares.

You guys post around here like a company with a Multi billion dollar profit margin a quarter is some how not going to do something ridiculous?

A company that just bought Nokia. A company that bought Skype with pocket change. You're a mod dude. Come on man...?

Don't take it personally.

Maybe Microsoft goes out and buys Sony, they certainly could. They have enough liquid assets to buy Sony twice (and Apple has enough to buy Microsoft about three times -- just for perspective). I've said a few times already that MS is going to out-live the sinking Sony and Nintendo.

A merger/buyout of EA by Microsoft would INDEED be bombshell, industry-shaking news. I agree.

#43 Posted by sHaDyCuBe321 (4002 posts) -

they have the strongest 1st party now

False.

Nintendo does.

#44 Posted by Heirren (15991 posts) -

New hardware demos are always fun, but this will be the e3 we see a lot of core xbox and playstation games, in addition Zelda on wiiu.

#45 Posted by B4X (2709 posts) -

@b4x said:

So all positive for every company except Microsoft? How about an EA Xbox division merger? That is more likely to happen with Microsoft giant Money hat. Or how about an Hostile take over of Sony. Offering Sony share holders 5 dollar US of their current value of Sony shares.

You guys post around here like a company with a Multi billion dollar profit margin a quarter is some how not going to do something ridiculous?

A company that just bought Nokia. A company that bought Skype with pocket change. You're a mod dude. Come on man...?

Don't take it personally.

Maybe Microsoft goes out and buys Sony, they certainly could. They have enough liquid assets to buy Sony twice (and Apple has enough to buy Microsoft about three times -- just for perspective). I've said a few times already that MS is going to out-live the sinking Sony and Nintendo.

A merger/buyout of EA by Microsoft would INDEED be bombshell, industry-shaking news. I agree.

I don't think apple could offer enough money to Microsoft shareholders to budge. They have had quarterly profits for years. You don't cut off the golden gooses head to make a few bucks.

Personally? I just don't like Hyperbole. I hear ya though.

#46 Edited by musicalmac (22693 posts) -

@b4x said:

I don't think apple could offer enough money to Microsoft shareholders to budge. They have had quarterly profits for years. You don't cut off the golden gooses head to make a few bucks.

Personally? I just don't like Hyperbole. I hear ya though.

I don't think you know how much money Apple has.

#47 Posted by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

Sony gonna rock the house, a usual.

#48 Edited by bezza2011 (2228 posts) -

You would think so but but I don't see it happening, looking at every developer working on Next Gen, Sony is the only one holding stuff close to it's chest, and the only one who has the biggest pressure on them.

End of the day all the fanboys of Xbox will come out and say they will do this and that and this blah blah blah but time and time again Microsofts press conferences are predictable, I mean the games what we will see have already been mentioned and that is all there first party exclusives, Halo, Forza, Fable, Gears. I think Microsoft are going to have to pull off an absolute epic show, but as normal i think there going to do not much else than there normal stuff. I hope i'm wrong, but all there big hitters have been announced already, there ain't much hype going into Microsofts E3 conference to be quite honest.

#49 Posted by B4X (2709 posts) -

@b4x said:

I don't think apple could offer enough money to Microsoft shareholders to budge. They have had quarterly profits for years. You don't cut off the golden gooses head to make a few bucks.

Personally? I just don't like Hyperbole. I hear ya though.

I don't think you know how much money Apple has.

Last I heard. About 365 billion in assets. The iPhone or iPad could tank. Not saying they would. That money could be gone in a blink of an eye in a fragile market. I see where it would be majorly beneficial in the short term for Microsoft shareholders. I just don't think they would bite. With Microsoft stock there is true staying power. Gates is the richest man in the world. That should say something. The guy gives away like 2 billion a year to fund charity's.

I'm by no means a marking GURU. Apple could do it.

#50 Posted by B4X (2709 posts) -

You would think so but but I don't see it happening, looking at every developer working on Next Gen, Sony is the only one holding stuff close to it's chest, and the only one who has the biggest pressure on them.

End of the day all the fanboys of Xbox will come out and say they will do this and that and this blah blah blah but time and time again Microsofts press conferences are predictable, I mean the games what we will see have already been mentioned and that is all there first party exclusives, Halo, Forza, Fable, Gears. I think Microsoft are going to have to pull off an absolute epic show, but as normal i think there going to do not much else than there normal stuff. I hope i'm wrong, but all there big hitters have been announced already, there ain't much hype going into Microsofts E3 conference to be quite honest.

I'm sure you meant to post gamers right?