Consolites are too young to know it, BUT PC dominated since SNES

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#151 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

PC winning every SW gen isn't relevant?

Jankarcop

Maybe in your dream world, but in the real world, the PC has never dominated over consoles when it came to sales or revenues.

And until the 21st century, the PC didn't dominate "teh graphics" either...

You mean technically? Let's see...

1st Gen - PC gaming didn't even exist, so consoles win by default

2nd Gen - PC gaming was taking its baby steps, so once again, consoles win by default

3rd Gen - Sega Master System was more powerful than 8-bit computers throughout

4th Gen - Neo Geo was more powerful than 16-bit computers throughout

5th Gen - Consoles had an early lead, but with the help of the new 3D accelerator cards, the PC eventually overtook consoles for the first time

6th Gen - Consoles dominated the PC in the early years, but PC graphics cards eventually overtook consoles in later years

7th Gen - Consoles had a very brief lead that barely lasted a year before the PC technically dominated them. By far the PC's most dominant era in technical terms.

Jag85

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#152 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

 When we say a System won, its games, not "teh salez". 

Maybe in your dream world, but in the real world, the PC has never dominated over consoles when it came to sales or revenues.

 

 

In the real world, games count is what matters...not how much your favorite company sold. :lol:

 

Oh and you're wrong about that too btw:

 

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#153 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -
I'd have to say no no no no, there was a point when diablo came out that it was big, but snes/n64/psx/ps2 were all easily better. Yes there were strategy and fps games one PC and they domintated, but those 4 systems easily dominated PC. It wasn't until ps3 hit where the variety in console heavy games took a nose dive, like platformers, brawlers, rpgs, action adventure games.Everyone started dumping out FPS games and there is a clear market saturation and PC is generally looking better now since niche genres can exist on the PC more easily.
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#154 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

I'd have to say no no no no, there was a point when diablo came out that it was big, but snes/n64/psx/ps2 were all easily better. .savagetwinkie

PC was first place in aaa/aa games that gen.

 

I'd have to say yes yes yes.

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#155 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]I'd have to say no no no no, there was a point when diablo came out that it was big, but snes/n64/psx/ps2 were all easily better. .Jankarcop

PC was first place in aaa/aa games that gen.

 

I'd have to say yes yes yes.

you can almost say that about every gen for pc because people just dumped games on it, but I mentioned variety and it was definitly strong on snes -> ps2 gens, I think PC gaming ruined consoles with shooters

also PC gaming was absolutely terrible to get into pre windows xp, i don't think it was something easily embracable until windows 7 realisticly. 

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#156 Posted by LazySloth718 (2345 posts) -

When I think of PC Gaming there isn't much that excites me.

WoW is old and tired, Diablow 3 was trash, Starcraft is pretty good. Planetside 2 stayed on my system for 2 days before I uninstalled it and every server has low pop now, I doubt it will survive 2 months before they start server merge. LoL/Dota is Nyquil. Civ is great BUT Civ Revolutions (console) can play a full game in under 4 hours and removes all the boring parts. Arma Nyquil. Plane/Train/Tractor sim - Ok cool but very niche.

Every time ppl say "PC has more exclusives" what usually follows is a long list of shovelware.

Console side is all the good stuff; Halo, Gears, Forza, Fable, Zombie U and Ninty games, and the fabulous Playestation ecosystem which could fill up this whole page with legendary titles like Metal Gear, Uncharted, Motorstorm, Heavy Rain, Twisted Metal, Starhawk, Demon Souls, God of War, Journey, Killzone, Ni No Kuni, Infamous, Last of Us etc etc.

Not to mention all the "console multiplats" that never make it to PC (or a busted version like GTA IV.)

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#157 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

 When we say a System won, its games, not "teh salez". 

Maybe in your dream world, but in the real world, the PC has never dominated over consoles when it came to sales or revenues.

 

Jankarcop

 

In the real world, games count is what matters...not how much your favorite company sold. :lol:

 

Oh and you're wrong about that too btw:

 

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That pie chart is wrong.

Here are the software revenues (according to DFC Intelligence and nVidia) for PC and consoles up until 2011 (while everything after that is predictions)...

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Note that these do not include console hardware revenues, in which case the console revenues would be much higher than what's shown here.

Either way, my point still stands: PC gaming has never dominated console gaming in terms of sales. That day might one day come in your dream future, but that time is not now, I'm afraid.

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#158 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

1. Thats all consoles and handhelds combined.  PC beats each individually.

 

2. I'm talking about games when I said PC wins every gen.  You have yet to deny this fact.

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#159 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

1. Thats all consoles and handhelds combined.  PC beats each individually.

 

2. I'm talking about games when I said PC wins every gen.  You have yet to deny this fact.

Jankarcop
Consolites always hide behind sales even though it doesn't result in more quality games than the PC overall, such a failure arguement, unless they have stock in the companies.
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#160 Posted by getyeryayasout (10631 posts) -
Yeah I remember back when consoles picked up PC's sloppy seconds. My how the market has changed.
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#161 Posted by MLBknights58 (5016 posts) -

> Implying that anything could beat the SNES in terms of gaming in the 90's

LOL

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#162 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

1. Thats all consoles and handhelds combined.  PC beats each individually.

 

2. I'm talking about games when I said PC wins every gen.  You have yet to deny this fact.

Jankarcop

1. Maybe this gen, but certainly not in previous generations. As the chart shows, PC gaming has only just begun catching up in the last couple of years. Up until the growth of MMO and social games in the last couple of years (especially in Asia), the PC gaming industry was significantly smaller than what it is today.

2. What about the games? If you don't mean the graphics or the sales, then are you talking about the quality of the games? If so, then what are you basing your claim on? According to GameRankings, MetaCritic, and GameSpot, most of the highest-rated games of all time are console games. According to most of the "greatest games of all time" lists from most sites and publications, most of the all-time best games are also console games. Your claims are nonsensical.

Consolites always hide behind sales even though it doesn't result in more quality games than the PC overall, such a failure arguement, unless they have stock in the companies.MBirdy88

Reminds me of how "teh master race" always hide behind "teh graphics"...

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#163 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

1. Thats all consoles and handhelds combined.  PC beats each individually.

 

2. I'm talking about games when I said PC wins every gen.  You have yet to deny this fact.

Jag85

1. Maybe this gen, but certainly not in previous generations. As the chart shows, PC gaming has only just begun catching up in the last couple of years. Up until the growth of MMO and social games in the last couple of years (especially in Asia), the PC gaming industry was significantly smaller than what it is today.

2. What about the games? If you don't mean the graphics or the sales, then are you talking about the quality of the games? If so, then what are you basing your claim on? According to GameRankings, MetaCritic, and GameSpot, most of the highest-rated games of all time are console games. According to most of the "greatest games of all time" lists from most sites and publications, most of the all-time best games are also console games. Your claims are nonsensical.

Consolites always hide behind sales even though it doesn't result in more quality games than the PC overall, such a failure arguement, unless they have stock in the companies.MBirdy88

Reminds me of how "teh master race" always hide behind "teh graphics"...

No, just unlike you we have that to brag about aswell.
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#164 Posted by LazySloth718 (2345 posts) -

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

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#165 Posted by jake44 (2085 posts) -

snes was so good.

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#166 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

LazySloth718
Guild Wars 2, Dota 2, planetside 2, World of Warcraft (which has gotten quite demanding for full graphics), Day Z, Rome 2 Total War, Anno 2077, Company of Heroes 2, Battlefield 3 (because lets be honest console versions suck.), Skyrim (the way its meant to be played.) oh it could go on, but I dont need to bother, as you said 5.
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#167 Posted by ultra641996 (42 posts) -

> Implying that anything could beat the SNES in terms of gaming in the 90's

LOL

MLBknights58
snes couldnt handle doom for jack ****
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#168 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

1. Thats all consoles and handhelds combined.  PC beats each individually.

 

2. I'm talking about games when I said PC wins every gen.  You have yet to deny this fact.

Jag85

1. Maybe this gen, but certainly not in previous generations. As the chart shows, PC gaming has only just begun catching up in the last couple of years. Up until the growth of MMO and social games in the last couple of years (especially in Asia), the PC gaming industry was significantly smaller than what it is today.

2. What about the games? If you don't mean the graphics or the sales, then are you talking about the quality of the games? If so, then what are you basing your claim on? According to GameRankings, MetaCritic, and GameSpot, most of the highest-rated games of all time are console games. According to most of the "greatest games of all time" lists from most sites and publications, most of the all-time best games are also console games. Your claims are nonsensical.

Consolites always hide behind sales even though it doesn't result in more quality games than the PC overall, such a failure arguement, unless they have stock in the companies.MBirdy88

Reminds me of how "teh master race" always hide behind "teh graphics"...

1. For the last 4 gens, PC has had the superior graphics.  PC has dominated in graphics, there is no question about this.  The first 2 gens are the only exception.  Thats not exactly a big victory as everything looked like crap back then.

2. PC has the most aaa-aa (and A) games every gen here at GS.  Noone gives a damn about top 10 lists.  Especially not when its 5 vs 1.  If you don't like this, dont post at GS.

 

 

You keep forgetting these sales, gfx , and "best games" lists are all counting several systems.  1v1, PC wins in every category.

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#169 Posted by jsmoke03 (13696 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heirren"][QUOTE="jsmoke03"][QUOTE="rilpas"] have you tried playing an old console on an HDTV? not a pretty sight

anything not hd looks ugly on hdtvs....snes still looks fine on a crt

That's not true. Xbox, GameCube, and especially the Dreamcast look pretty good. I'd say Dreamcast looks better on an hd set than an sd CRT.

you must have one good tv cuz when i play my box or my gc....its total crap. looks like my genesis
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#170 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

You know you lost when you pit up every console in a gen, and their stats only slightly beat PC.

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#171 Posted by clyde46 (48972 posts) -
Well this thread sucks.
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#172 Posted by savagetwinkie (7981 posts) -

You know you lost when you pit up every console in a gen, and their stats only slightly beat PC.

Jankarcop
PC's are made up of different systems and markets, why do they all get to be lumped into one giant market and consoles can't?
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#173 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

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You know you lost when you pit up every console in a gen, and their stats only slightly beat PC.

savagetwinkie

PC's are made up of different systems and markets, why do they all get to be lumped into one giant market and consoles can't?

Don't ask me, PC is its own system here and well...any other gaming site.

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#174 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

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please just put it in a blog, no one gives a sh!t

Jankarcop

PC winning every SW gen isn't relevant? LOL why you mad?

Are you serious?

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#175 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

please just put it in a blog, no one gives a sh!t

lostrib

PC winning every SW gen isn't relevant? LOL why you mad?

Are you serious?

Yes, did I say anything factually wrong?

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#176 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -
No, just unlike you we have that to brag about aswell.MBirdy88
And that's pretty much the only thing "teh master race" ever brags about.
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#177 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]PC winning every SW gen isn't relevant? LOL why you mad?

Jankarcop

Are you serious?

Yes, did I say anything factually wrong?

face palm

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#178 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

1. For the last 4 gens, PC has had the superior graphics.  PC has dominated in graphics, there is no question about this.  The first 2 gens are the only exception.  Thats not exactly a big victory as everything looked like crap back then.

Jankarcop


Wrong. That bogus claim has already been thoroughly debunked (with pics to prove it) quite a while ago...

Nope, you're the one who is way too young to remember the 90s... Because the PC didn't start dominating graphics until the 21st century. Throughout the late 20th century, it was the Arcade that dominated gaming technology, while both consoles and PC's were always just fighting for second place. The first time the Arcade ever lost the lead was probably when Shenmue came along for the Dreamcast in 1999.

As for consoles and PC's, whenever a new console came out, it always had the lead over the PC for a few years (1987-1990 and 1994-1996), but then the PC would overtake it a few years later (1991-1993 and 1996-1997), then a new console would overtake it (1998-2001) before the PC overtakes again (2002-2005), and so on and so forth. Last gen was unique, in that consoles barely even had a year's lead before Crysis came along in 2007.

Anyway, here are a few 3D graphics comparisons between  Arcades, Consoles and PC's in the 90s...

1990

Arcade - Galaxian 3

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Console - Star Cruiser

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PC - Archipelagos

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1992

Arcade - Virtua Racing

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Console - Hard Drivin'

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PC - Alone in the Dark

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1994

Arcade - Virtua Fighter 2

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Console - Ridge Racer

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PC - Doom

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1996

Arcade - Virtua Fighter 3

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Console - Tekken 2

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PC - Quake

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1998

Arcade - The House of the Dead 2

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Console - Virtua Fighter 3 TB

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PC - Half-Life

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1999

Arcade - Dead or Alive 2

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Console - Shenmue

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PC - System Shock 2

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Jag85

1994 - 3DO:

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1995 - PSX:

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1996/1997 - N64:

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1998/1999 - Dreamcast:

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2000/2001 - PS2:

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edit: these two deserve a pic too:

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nameless12345

The PC never dominated "teh graphics" until the 21st century, so stop lying to yourself already.

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#179 Posted by clyde46 (48972 posts) -

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]PC winning every SW gen isn't relevant? LOL why you mad?

Jankarcop

Are you serious?

Yes, did I say anything factually wrong?

Got any proof?
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#180 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

Are you serious?

clyde46

Yes, did I say anything factually wrong?

Got any proof?

You didn't see the end of gen tally last gen? Not my fault.  Ask casey if he still has it.

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#181 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

2. PC has the most aaa-aa (and A) games every gen here at GS.  Noone gives a damn about top 10 lists.  Especially not when its 5 vs 1.  If you don't like this, dont post at GS.

You keep forgetting these sales, gfx , and "best games" lists are all counting several systems.  1v1, PC wins in every category.

Jankarcop

Okay, if you want to play that game...

At GameRankings, here are the consoles which the highest-rated game of each year belongs to since this generation began:

  • 2012 - PS Vita
  • 2011 - PS3
  • 2010 - Wii
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - Wii
  • 2005 - GameCube

So let's see... The Wii and PS3 each have the highest-rated game of the year three times, while the PC has never had the highest-rated game of the year even once this entire generation... That's a pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

EDIT:

But of course, since this is GameSpot, where GameRankings is unacceptable, let's go with GameSpot's Game of the Year instead...

  • 2012 - PS3
  • 2011 - PS3, 360, PC
  • 2010 - PS3, 360
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - 360
  • 2005 - GameCube, PS2

Right, so that's 5 GOTY's for the PS3, 3 GOTY's for the 360, and one GOTY each for the Wii and PC... Again, that's pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

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#182 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

2. PC has the most aaa-aa (and A) games every gen here at GS.  Noone gives a damn about top 10 lists.  Especially not when its 5 vs 1.  If you don't like this, dont post at GS.

You keep forgetting these sales, gfx , and "best games" lists are all counting several systems.  1v1, PC wins in every category.

Jag85

Okay, if you want to play that game...

At GameRankings, here are the consoles which the highest-rated game of each year belongs to since this generation began:

  • 2012 - PS Vita
  • 2011 - PS3
  • 2010 - Wii
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - Wii
  • 2005 - GameCube

So let's see... The Wii and PS3 each have the highest-rated game of the year three times, while the PC has never had the highest-rated game of the year even once this entire generation... That's a pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

:roll: GOTY awards.... yea, because one game having a % higher than others makes that game worth more than just one super quality game thats slightly lower.... yup, more idiotic logic.
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#183 Posted by lundy86_4 (47766 posts) -

Okay, if you want to play that game...

At GameRankings, here are the consoles which the highest-rated game of each year belongs to since this generation began:

  • 2012 - PS Vita
  • 2011 - PS3
  • 2010 - Wii
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - Wii
  • 2005 - GameCube

So let's see... The Wii and PS3 each have the highest-rated game of the year three times, while the PC has never had the highest-rated game of the year even once this entire generation... That's a pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

EDIT:

But of course, since this is GameSpot, where GameRankings is unacceptable, let's go with GameSpot's Game of the Year instead...

  • 2012 - PS3
  • 2011 - PS3, 360, PC
  • 2010 - PS3, 360
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - 360
  • 2005 - GameCube, PS2

Right, so that's 5 GOTY's for the PS3, 3 GOTY's for the 360, and one GOTY each for the Wii and PC... Again, that's pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

Jag85

To be fair, Jankar said highest AAA-AA rated games. Not highest rated game.

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#184 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -
[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]No, just unlike you we have that to brag about aswell.Jag85
And that's pretty much the only thing "teh master race" ever brags about.

You mean we don't brag about most quality games/exclusives? We don't brag about having better performing multiplats? We don't brag about having a much richer and diverse selection of multiplayer games? or hell lets just say games in general there. We don't brag about mods and the massive impact they can have on games? We don't brag about cheaper games in general and the services that acompany them (steam, greenman, pick your posion). Yea right mate, all we ever talk about is graphics :roll:
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#185 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (20890 posts) -

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

LazySloth718

For me?

FSX

ARMA 2

Hard Reset

Napoleon: Total War

Sins of a Solar Empire

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#186 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

GOTY awards.... yea, because one game having a % higher than others makes that game worth more than just one super quality game thats slightly lower.... yup, more idiotic logic.MBirdy88
That's pretty hilarious coming from hermits incapable of backing up their bogus claims with any kind of logic whatsoever.

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#187 Posted by jhonMalcovich (7047 posts) -

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

jun_aka_pekto

For me?

FSX

ARMA 2

Hard Reset

Napoleon: Total War

Sins of a Solar Empire

I will name only one

ARMA 3

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#188 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]GOTY awards.... yea, because one game having a % higher than others makes that game worth more than just one super quality game thats slightly lower.... yup, more idiotic logic.Jag85

That's pretty hilarious coming from hermits incapable of backing up their bogus claims with any kind of logic whatsoever.

So how do sales effect you as a gamer? and how does 1 slightly higher scoring game make a system so much more worthwhile over a system with many more slightly lower % games? your grasping for straws badly.
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#189 Posted by clyde46 (48972 posts) -

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

jun_aka_pekto

For me?

FSX

ARMA 2

Hard Reset

Napoleon: Total War

Sins of a Solar Empire

FSX is coded rather poorly.
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#190 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

2. PC has the most aaa-aa (and A) games every gen here at GS.  Noone gives a damn about top 10 lists.  Especially not when its 5 vs 1.  If you don't like this, dont post at GS.

You keep forgetting these sales, gfx , and "best games" lists are all counting several systems.  1v1, PC wins in every category.

Jag85

Okay, if you want to play that game...

At GameRankings, here are the consoles which the highest-rated game of each year belongs to since this generation began:

  • 2012 - PS Vita
  • 2011 - PS3
  • 2010 - Wii
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - Wii
  • 2005 - GameCube

So let's see... The Wii and PS3 each have the highest-rated game of the year three times, while the PC has never had the highest-rated game of the year even once this entire generation... That's a pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

EDIT:

But of course, since this is GameSpot, where GameRankings is unacceptable, let's go with GameSpot's Game of the Year instead...

  • 2012 - PS3
  • 2011 - PS3, 360, PC
  • 2010 - PS3, 360
  • 2009 - PS3
  • 2008 - PS3
  • 2007 - Wii
  • 2006 - 360
  • 2005 - GameCube, PS2

Right, so that's 5 GOTY's for the PS3, 3 GOTY's for the 360, and one GOTY each for the Wii and PC... Again, that's pretty poor record for a platform that is supposedly "dominating" this gen.

 

After all of those selective awards and lists.

 

PC still has the most AAA to AA (and A) games.

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#191 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (20890 posts) -

I will name only one

ARMA 3

jhonMalcovich

The graphics in FSX may be dated as hell. But, nothing can touch its cloud and weather customization. Heck, its reviewers here at GS were probably clueless about it since they summed out the weather feature of FSX in one sentence, "Weather can be customized by the user."  

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#192 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

You mean we don't brag about most quality games/exclusives?

We don't brag about having better performing multiplats?

We don't brag about having a much richer and diverse selection of multiplayer games? or hell lets just say games in general there.

We don't brag about mods and the massive impact they can have on games?

We don't brag about cheaper games in general and the services that acompany them (steam, greenman, pick your posion).

Yea right mate, all we ever talk about is graphicsMBirdy88

1. You can't even prove it, yet you feel the need to brag about it? Hilarious.

2. Yeah, like that's not related to graphics.

3. Nope, I rarely see hermits ever bragging about that.

4. This is what "teh master race" should be bragging about, yet I rarely see hermits bragging about it. Funny.

5. PC gamers can also get free games via piracy too, without needing to mod their systems. Why not brag about that?

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#193 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (20890 posts) -

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

clyde46

For me?

FSX

ARMA 2

Hard Reset

Napoleon: Total War

Sins of a Solar Empire

FSX is coded rather poorly.

That's fine so long as I get my 24-30fps in the rural areas. I'm quite happy to remain in the local pattern. I'll even settle for 20fps in a pinch.

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#194 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]You mean we don't brag about most quality games/exclusives?

We don't brag about having better performing multiplats?

We don't brag about having a much richer and diverse selection of multiplayer games? or hell lets just say games in general there.

We don't brag about mods and the massive impact they can have on games?

We don't brag about cheaper games in general and the services that acompany them (steam, greenman, pick your posion).

Yea right mate, all we ever talk about is graphicsJag85

1. You can't even prove it, yet you feel the need to brag about it? Hilarious.  There is a spreadsheet here with all platforms counter up.... you fail again.

2. Yeah, like that's not related to graphics. Framerate, mods and graphics, often free dlc again fail. so what if its graphics? still a plus you fool.

3. Nope, I rarely see hermits ever bragging about that. Blind? 

4. This is what "teh master race" should be bragging about, yet I rarely see hermits bragging about it. Funny. Again blind. there are often mod threads often title something along the lines of "this is why PC and mods > all" ect. 

5. PC gamers can also get free games via piracy too, without needing to mod their systems. Why not brag about that? You can do if you like, this forum does not permit it however, to each their own.

The level of fail is fantastic, you see what you want to see, just to make arguementative points.

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#195 Posted by clyde46 (48972 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

For me?

FSX

ARMA 2

Hard Reset

Napoleon: Total War

Sins of a Solar Empire

jun_aka_pekto

FSX is coded rather poorly.

That's fine so long as I get my 24-30fps in the rural areas. I'm quite happy to remain in the local pattern. I'll even settle for 20fps in a pinch.

Theres a few add-on and performance tweaks that can help. And a CPU upgrade would also go down a storm.
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#196 Posted by Primordialous (1313 posts) -

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

LazySloth718

 more than 5 for ya':

Starcraft II

DOTA 2

Civilization V

Garry's Mod

Starcraft II

Planetside 2

Arma 2

Hawken

 

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#197 Posted by Jag85 (9619 posts) -

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[QUOTE="MBirdy88"]GOTY awards.... yea, because one game having a % higher than others makes that game worth more than just one super quality game thats slightly lower.... yup, more idiotic logic.MBirdy88

That's pretty hilarious coming from hermits incapable of backing up their bogus claims with any kind of logic whatsoever.



So how do sales effect you as a gamer? and how does 1 slightly higher scoring game make a system so much more worthwhile over a system with many more slightly lower % games? your grasping for straws badly.


And how does making up bogus claims without any evidence to back it up affect you as a gamer? Time and time again, you fail to provide even a single shred of proof, instead resorting to straw man arguments and silly little games to run away from it.

If you truly believe the PC is the highest-scoring platform this gen, then prove it. And don't give me that bull about there being some "spreadsheet" out there. If this "spreadsheet" exists, then post it. As the saying goes, "either put up or shut up".

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#198 Posted by LazySloth718 (2345 posts) -

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Name 5 games that are worth spending (hypothetically) $700 for a new PC that you can't play anywhere else.

MBirdy88

Guild Wars 2, Dota 2, planetside 2, World of Warcraft (which has gotten quite demanding for full graphics), Day Z, Rome 2 Total War, Anno 2077, Company of Heroes 2, Battlefield 3 (because lets be honest console versions suck.), Skyrim (the way its meant to be played.) oh it could go on, but I dont need to bother, as you said 5.

So in other words "we have better multiplats"

Because those exclusives suck butt.

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#199 Posted by MBirdy88 (11350 posts) -

[QUOTE="MBirdy88"][QUOTE="Jag85"] That's pretty hilarious coming from hermits incapable of backing up their bogus claims with any kind of logic whatsoever.

Jag85



So how do sales effect you as a gamer? and how does 1 slightly higher scoring game make a system so much more worthwhile over a system with many more slightly lower % games? your grasping for straws badly.


And how does making up bogus claims without any evidence to back it up affect you as a gamer? Time and time again, you fail to provide even a single shred of proof, instead resorting to straw man arguments and silly little games to run away from it.

If you truly believe the PC is the highest-scoring platform this gen, then prove it. And don't give me that bull about there being some "spreadsheet" out there. If this "spreadsheet" exists, then post it. As the saying goes, "either put up or shut up".

.... your new here I take it? the spreadsheet has beena round here for ages, I don't know where it is, I'm sure someone else could pull it out, assuming its even up to date. Its wildly known that what I am saying here is true. just because you havn't see it doesn't mean im straw manning. You cannot refute the points at all though. sales and a goty? big fkin whoop. the biggest PC game League of LEgends doesnt even have a review on gamespot.

Oh, it does, it has a 6.0 ... lmao who writes these reviews?

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#200 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (20890 posts) -

[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] FSX is coded rather poorly. clyde46

That's fine so long as I get my 24-30fps in the rural areas. I'm quite happy to remain in the local pattern. I'll even settle for 20fps in a pinch.

Theres a few add-on and performance tweaks that can help. And a CPU upgrade would also go down a storm.

I already have Orbx/FTX for the US Northwest (and for Australia Red and Blue) and REX 2.0. But, the FSX game engine is a dinosaur. I'll assemble a new PC later this year designed for Crysis 3.