Okay.
Consolites are too young to know it, BUT PC dominated since SNES
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"][QUOTE="ultra641996"] bs arcade machines are custom computers they owned everything.ultra641996
Arcade machines are arcade machines.
Hence, not console or PC.
This thread is about "PC domination over consoles since SNES", not "Arcade domination over PC and consoles in the 80s and early 90s".
arcade machines are pc's.
Newer ones use PC hardware but back in the days they had totally different hardware made just for them.
edit: here's a Real3D 100 which was used in Sega Model 3 arcade boards:
Note that Real3D was released in 1995 but could rival PCs from 2000 in raw performance. (the cards were never released on the PC consumer market; Lockheed Martin is a firm that makes "cutting-edge" simulations/hardware and military equipment/jet fighters)
I just put the pics of the games I consider better looking. Anyway we should consider the gameplay and not graphics.
[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]
[QUOTE="Jag85"]
Like I've already proven above with those screenshots, the PC did not dominate graphics at all in the 90s. Even if we exclude the powerful arcades, consoles had the lead over the PC many times in the 90s, including 1990-1991, 1994-1996, and especially 1998-2001, when the Dreamcast was not only superior to PC's, but even rivaled the arcades. Nothing on PC's even came close to Shenmue (1999) for a good couple of years.nameless12345
Excuse me, but what platform dominated over PC in 1994-1996 and 1998-2001? Can you support your claim with some games besides Shenmue.
1994 - 3DO:
Wing Commander 3
1995 - PSX:
Star Wars: Dark Forces
Full Throttle
I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream
1996/1997 - N64:
Diablo
Command & Conquer: Red Alert
Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter
1998/1999 - Dreamcast:
Unreal
Fallout 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six
Half-Life
2000/2001 - PS2:
Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn
Check mate.
[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"]
Sprite isometric PC graphics looked much better than 3d graphics back then. They contained much more details and were considered by many as art.
Technically advanced is not always good looking otherwise Quake, Unreal, Half Life should take the 1st place.
Or Soldier of Fortune, that game was the first gore shooter with dismembermets.
Jag85
Well, if you're going to use that argument as a last resort (now that your previous argument about technical 3D graphics has already been proven false)... What about all the 2D and 2.5D console games of that era that looked very artistically impressive? For example, the sprite-scaling 2.5D graphics of the Neo-Geo games, the artistic 2D graphics of Zelda: A Link to the Past, the water-colour artwork of games like Legend of Mana or SaGa Frontier 2, or the cel-shaded graphics of games like Jet Set Radio... It's not like there was any shortage of artistically impressive graphics on consoles.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, about your "dismembermets" comment... What about all the fighting games and beat 'em ups on arcades and consoles that featured dismemberment long before? Long before Soldier of Fortune, there were already arcade and console games like Splatterhouse, Mortal Kombat, Bushido Blade, etc.
Consoles had very lovely sprite graphics too. But on PC, after the introduction of SVGA 16 bit gpus and SVGA monitors that supported 800*600 and 1024*1080 resolutions, sprite graphics looked just amazingly photorealistic or like real cartoons back then.
Fallout 1.
Space Quest 6
Soldier of Fortune was amazing. It was the first 3d (not 2.5d) first person shooter that featured gore and desmemberments.
Look at the gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayEEgyETTng
[QUOTE="jhonMalcovich"][QUOTE="clyde46"]
Butthurt hermit, move along lads.clyde46
Read the post first, assh*le.
To much effort.No time for that extra o. No time.
Massive lol, especially at comparing Alone in the Dark to Mario. Mario is older AND infinitely superior in game design. ...and then bring up some fmv games and point and clicks? LO FCKNG LConsolites are too young to know it. They didn´t live it to remember...but PC dominated since SNES, since 1994. Only in 2006, consoles were able to catch up with PC to go toe-to-toe with it regarding gaming. But by 2013, PC increased its pace again, and consoles are started lagging back again.
Probably, this gen was the 2nd golden age for console gaming since SNES. But consolites, nowdays, think or state like they were dominating since always.
NO. This gen was just an exception from the rule. Even right now, you can only pit consoles vs PC when you take more than one console, combos like PS3 and XBOX, for example. If we compare them one on one without bias, without fanboyism, using only common sense, PC vs PS3, or PC vs XBOX360, PC always wins.
And I am speaking about gaming, not specs, not processing power, but gaming.
And I remember, consoles weren´t famous for innovation or for offering AAA titles.
Consoles were strictly kids-oriented platform, while PC was for adults and was offering new mature exciting games.
You don´t remeber that, or just don´t know, but back then SNES was offering side slide games like Mario. The good RPGs like Final Fantasy was an exception. The bulk of SNES games were kiddy-stuff. And right now, becuase of nostalgia, you may see them great, but back then everybody was tired of that.
Meanwhile, in 1992, while all console gamers were plaing Mario,
the FIRST 3D THIRD PERSON SURVIVAL GAME was released on PC, Alone in the Dark.
Then Doom followed. It was huge back then, it was revolitionary.
When kids were plaing this,
PC gamers were playing this
Let´s not forget about Myst that featured photorealistic graphics
In 1994, Wing Commander III: Heart of the Tiger was released. The game that featured live acted cinematics. F*cking CINEMATICS. That stuff was so huge.
The only widely distributed console that catched up on cinematics was PS ONE, one year later. But they never had that 3d graphic quality. And PS ONE was still dominated by kiddy games without much of a story.
And since then PC was rising unstoppably. After SNES, all 14+ gamers moved to PC in search of mature games.
FPS was a blast of a genre. I mean after all those platformers, side slider games, FPS was a break of a fresh air.
Hexen.
Dark gothic style FPS
Terminator. SFI FPS
Quake (a first true 3d FPS)
Half Life The best story-driven FPS back then.
Thief THE FIRST STEALTH GAME
RTS was a good break from all those consolish stuff too.
Warcraft, 1995, the War between humans and orks. How cool that sounded back then.
Civilization, building your nation through the ages
Master of Orion 2, building your space empire.
PC just invented new genres, new gameplays, introduced cinematics and maturity post-SNES gamers were looking for.
Western RPG genre was born on PC, the genre that was adopted by all recent consoles rpgs, too. Dark Souls is a fine example of it, it´s not a JRPG like many noobs claim it, but a western RPG made in Japan (JRPGs imply turn based combat)
And Baldurs Gate 2, Fallout and Planescape Torment set the RPG standards so high so even now nobody can reach them.
Consoles were always lagging behind regarding gameplay and innovation.
During PS2 era, they started approaching the PC gaming quality. But back then Counter Strike was still the most played game in the world.
PS2 was still lacking good FPS and adventures. Almost all PS2 games were a third-person 3d platformers.
The current gen rise of the consoles is due to the fact they gained enough power to run FPS games and being on pair with PC, and many PC franchises such as Call of Duty, Battle Field and even Civilization were ported on consoles. So far they mustered enough maturity to compete with PC.
But still, what makes you think they will be able to go toe-to-toe with PC next gen. Back to 2006, PC Gaming was still expensive, and consoles were a true alternative to PC gaming. But when PC prices are low as never, and incoming PC console boxes from Steam and other hardware manufactures are very close, what makes you think they will have the same sale numbers ?
And this is not just a matter of price, but games too. Look at WiiU, it´s in a unending Limbo now. Gamers don´t buy it untill more games make it to the console, and developers don´t make games for WiiU untill more people buy it. Will it happen to next-gen consoles too? Very probably.
The main argument of consolites is next-gen consoles will cost arround 300$ vs 700$ PCs. But who, insound mind, would spend 300$ for a paltform with no games.
And we all know that people don´t like to buy consoles at launch, but wait for 1-2 years untill more games are released on them.
Do Sony have that time, with their financial problems ? Can they take that risk of making exclusives for 3M potential at launch buyers , and wait untill more people take confidence in the console.
From my perspective, next-gen consoles will reinforce even more the PC positions. They won´t risk making exclusives, especially MS, untill their next-gen consoles stand steadily on the ground. That means 2013 and 2014 will be the years of multi-plats
And oh dear if the Steam box is released and has better specs...with the steam games that cheap... I wouldn´t like to be in theair of MS or Sony CEO then.
Right now, Sony and MS are even regarding units sold. Arround 70M sold units each.
Will next gen consoles reach these numbers again with the incoming PC living room boxes arround the corner ? Let´s hope so.
jhonMalcovich
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