Consoles are holding back PC Gaming, which is why PC games are commonly becoming

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#1 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

80/80

Free to Play

In order to get PC Gamers to stop pirating and at least pay for some aspect of the game.

So how does this tie into console gaming holding back PC Gaming?

...

Well it doesn't, I just lied to you all. Truth is, there's little incentive for PC devs to go big anymore becuase there is no profit in it.

Discuss:

#2 Posted by Jankarcop (10864 posts) -

garbage bait

#3 Posted by psymon100 (6835 posts) -

80/80

EvanTheGamer

What is this 80/80 you speak of if you'll forgive my ignorance please?

Did this have the answer?

#4 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -
Gamers are responsible for their own platform. Whether it's "PC holding back consoles", "360 has no games", "Sony closes another studio", "Wii gets only shovelware", etc., you only get what you're paying for. Don't like it? Look in the mirror, realize it's the money in your wallet that drives publishers' decision-making, and support studios who are making the kind of games you want. Or don't, but then you have no right to complain.
#5 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

80/80

psymon100

What is this 80/80 you speak of if you'll forgive my ignorance please?

Did this have the answer?

Max xharacters for a topic, applies to Gamestop as well.

Never of that other definition lmao

#6 Posted by Obviously_Right (5324 posts) -

:lol:

I don't understand the 'Consoles are holding back PC' argument, PC devs aren't influenced by Consoles, if you actually bought games and didn't pirate them you guys wouldn't keep getting discarded like a used condom.

#7 Posted by 67gt500 (4623 posts) -
Ironically, it's PC gamers who are holding back PC gaming... if developers and publishers were more confident that they would get paid for their work, more PC exclusive titles that truly demonstrated the gap between PC and console would be in development... piracy is the biggest detriment to PC gaming -- not consoles...
#8 Posted by Sushiglutton (5634 posts) -
Like 90% of the money for games like GTA, Assassin's Creed, Batman Arkham, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect etc comes from consoles. Without that kind of money the developers obv wouldn't have been able to have anywhere near the same level of detail, or amount of content. Consoles are not holding back gaming, they are carrying it.
#9 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

Ironically, it's PC gamers who are holding back PC gaming... if developers and publishers were more confident that they would get paid for their work, more PC exclusive titles that truly demonstrated the gap between PC and console would be in development... piracy is the biggest detriment to PC gaming -- not consoles...67gt500

I agree, love your avatar btw : )

#10 Posted by Jankarcop (10864 posts) -

Consoles are not holding back gaming, they are carrying it.Sushiglutton
Not according to sales charts for the last 4 years.

#11 Posted by Iantheone (8242 posts) -

I think, that its not consoles holding back PC gaming, but greedy corperations are holding back the entire industry. They cant make money if the industry changes =[

#12 Posted by Peredith (2289 posts) -

If consoles are holding back PCs, then why do multiplats look better than most PC exclusives? :lol:

#13 Posted by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

0

How much sense the OP makes.

#14 Posted by PannicAtack (21040 posts) -
80/80?
#15 Posted by ShadowMoses900 (17081 posts) -

I like PC gamers, just not PC Elitists.

#16 Posted by loosingENDS (11793 posts) -

Consoles are the last stand between garbage free to play MMOs and real games

Or between garbage graphics like those in Diablo 3 and real stunnign looking exclusives like Halo 4

Or between zero JRPGs and all JRPGs

etc etc

#17 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Consoles are not holding back gaming, they are carrying it.Jankarcop

Not according to sales charts for the last 4 years.

Halo 3 has outsold every PC game within the same timespan, even more.

PC gets a major boost from Facebook games like Farmville though

#18 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

If consoles are holding back PCs, then why do multiplats look better than most PC exclusives? :lol:

Peredith

Graphically yes, but thats just because the hardware has obviously gotten better from five years ago. Software itself though its buggy due to the lack of optimization.

#19 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

Consoles are the last stand between garbage free to play MMOs and real games

Or between garbage graphics like those in Diablo 3 and real stunnign looking exclusives like Halo 4

Or between zero JRPGs and all JRPGs

etc etc

loosingENDS

Haha true.

#20 Posted by NoodleFighter (8047 posts) -

Yep that's why Epic games is making an UE4 game for PC

That's why PC publishers like Paradox Interactive and 1C company are on the rise

That's why Steam's userbase is getting even bigger

That's why companies like Sega rely on PC franchises such as Football manager and Total War to stay alive

That's why developers are putting more effort into PC versions of multiplats to make them even more superior

That's why developers such as Platinum games are looking to get their games on PC a long with encouraging other japanese devs to support PC

That's why companies like Alienware are making cheap console sized PCs

That's why many companies believe PC gaming will dominate the market in the next 2 years

#21 Posted by kalipekona (2401 posts) -

Ironically, it's PC gamers who are holding back PC gaming... if developers and publishers were more confident that they would get paid for their work, more PC exclusive titles that truly demonstrated the gap between PC and console would be in development... piracy is the biggest detriment to PC gaming -- not consoles...67gt500

You guys are being stupid. First of all, the PC does get quite a few exclusives. The reason most big budget games don't push the PC to its limits is because such games cost so much to make that developers must release them on as many platforms as possible to recoup development costs. Even if all piracy on PC went away this would still be the case.

The ONLY reason the consoles get exclusives that push the respective hardware is because they are funded by the platform holders. The PC platform is owned by nobody.

#22 Posted by loosingENDS (11793 posts) -

Yep that's why Epic games is making an UE4 game for PC

That's why PC publishers like Paradox Interactive and 1C company are on the rise

That's why Steam's userbase is getting even bigger

That's why companies like Sega rely on PC franchises such as Football manager and Total War to stay alive

That's why developers are putting more effort into PC versions of multiplats to make them even more superior

That's why developers such as Platinum games are looking to get their games on PC a long with encouraging other japanese devs to support PC

That's why companies like Alienware are making cheap console sized PCs

That's why many companies believe PC gaming will dominate the market in the next 2 years

NoodleFighter

These are just signs of a new generation of consoles incoming, all focus will be on xbox 720

#23 Posted by lostrib (44093 posts) -

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Yep that's why Epic games is making an UE4 game for PC

That's why PC publishers like Paradox Interactive and 1C company are on the rise

That's why Steam's userbase is getting even bigger

That's why companies like Sega rely on PC franchises such as Football manager and Total War to stay alive

That's why developers are putting more effort into PC versions of multiplats to make them even more superior

That's why developers such as Platinum games are looking to get their games on PC a long with encouraging other japanese devs to support PC

That's why companies like Alienware are making cheap console sized PCs

That's why many companies believe PC gaming will dominate the market in the next 2 years

loosingENDS

These are just signs of a new generation of consoles incoming, all focus will be on xbox 720

proof?

#24 Posted by loosingENDS (11793 posts) -

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Yep that's why Epic games is making an UE4 game for PC

That's why PC publishers like Paradox Interactive and 1C company are on the rise

That's why Steam's userbase is getting even bigger

That's why companies like Sega rely on PC franchises such as Football manager and Total War to stay alive

That's why developers are putting more effort into PC versions of multiplats to make them even more superior

That's why developers such as Platinum games are looking to get their games on PC a long with encouraging other japanese devs to support PC

That's why companies like Alienware are making cheap console sized PCs

That's why many companies believe PC gaming will dominate the market in the next 2 years

lostrib

These are just signs of a new generation of consoles incoming, all focus will be on xbox 720

proof?

All game sales are on consoles and specifically xbox 360 ?

Skyrim did 6 million on 360 alone, all top selling shooters and RPGs are on 360 or exlusive to 360

etc etc

#25 Posted by GamingVengeance (1874 posts) -

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

These are just signs of a new generation of consoles incoming, all focus will be on xbox 720

loosingENDS

proof?

All game sales are on consoles and specifically xbox 360 ?

Skyrim did 6 million on 360 alone, all top selling shooters and RPGs are on 360 or exlusive to 360

etc etc

Lol nice, I bet you are an excellent fisherman loosey, you make up some mean bait
#26 Posted by RulerofGondor (401 posts) -
Weaksauce.
#27 Posted by lostrib (44093 posts) -

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

These are just signs of a new generation of consoles incoming, all focus will be on xbox 720

loosingENDS

proof?

All game sales are on consoles and specifically xbox 360 ?

Skyrim did 6 million on 360 alone, all top selling shooters and RPGs are on 360 or exlusive to 360

etc etc

And yet profits from PC gaming are going up, and console profits are going down

#28 Posted by RulerofGondor (401 posts) -

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="lostrib"]

proof?

lostrib

All game sales are on consoles and specifically xbox 360 ?

Skyrim did 6 million on 360 alone, all top selling shooters and RPGs are on 360 or exlusive to 360

etc etc

And yet profits from PC gaming are going up, and console profits are going down

Look at who you're talking to buddy.
#29 Posted by Jankarcop (10864 posts) -

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] Consoles are not holding back gaming, they are carrying it.EvanTheGamer

Not according to sales charts for the last 4 years.

Halo 3 has outsold every PC game within the same timespan, even more.

PC gets a major boost from Facebook games like Farmville though

PC has quite a bit more software sales than each console, when not counting facebook/social games.

#30 Posted by lostrib (44093 posts) -

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]Not according to sales charts for the last 4 years.

Jankarcop

Halo 3 has outsold every PC game within the same timespan, even more.

PC gets a major boost from Facebook games like Farmville though

PC has quite a bit more software sales than each console, when not counting facebook/social games.

Also, PC has plenty of games that have outsold Halo 3. Diablo 3 comes to mind

#31 Posted by ultimate-k (2348 posts) -

Nope, theres loads of money in PC. Crysis 1 on pc sold over 3 million more than crysis 2 combined on all platforms.

#32 Posted by AdrianWerner (28228 posts) -

Actually F2P games are some of the titles that push PC hardware the most

#33 Posted by R4gn4r0k (17588 posts) -

I like PC gamers, just not PC Elitists.

ShadowMoses900

Same here. Just like I like PS3 gamers but not PS3 elitists like you :)

#34 Posted by AmnesiaHaze (5683 posts) -

if anything is holding back pc gaming its piracy and the development costs to utilize the latest hardware possibilities , not consoles , there are much more PC's out there than all consoles combined , yet devs rather make console games

#35 Posted by KalDurenik (3768 posts) -

Im bored... The pc market is larger then all consoles combined... and that is when the console market include dlc and other things in their chart while pc one dont. In before someone say "casual games!" Yet consoles include these also. Anyway i guess one could spin it in a interesting way...

The PC markets is many times larger then the console one that include both people playing and the number of games... If pc have 10 times the number of games being released each year then consoles that mean that there are more things to spend money on ;). Throw in MMO's and MT and so on and you guessed it... The market is harsher...

Sure consoles have a few good sellers but thats for 2 reasons. They dont have any games so when a game is released they have to buy it :( and they need to sell millions of copies because they need to spend 40-100 million $ to get console players to buy it ;) Yes im bored thats why im posting in a troll topic.

*eats cake*

#36 Posted by 04dcarraher (20746 posts) -

Like 90% of the money for games like GTA, Assassin's Creed, Batman Arkham, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect etc comes from consoles. Without that kind of money the developers obv wouldn't have been able to have anywhere near the same level of detail, or amount of content. Consoles are not holding back gaming, they are carrying it.Sushiglutton

:lol: on that 90%

Pc digital distribution, has made the profit ratio lopsided for multiplat games. For example it would take 3+ million retail copies to match the profit made from 500,000-750,000 digital copies.

For games that you mentioned that consoles actually made more of the bulk of money....
GTA both sold like crazy... lets not forget that GTA games were Pc orienated all the way into SA.

Assassins creed sure its made more money on consoles.

Batman Arkham... no (both games sold like crazy on DD)
Elder Srcolls um... no (set new steam records) this game alone rose sales on Steam 57% in the time frame.
Mass effect both sold like crazy

The fact that you get more then a 70% pure profit ratio from each digital copy sold. Console games especially retail do not make up 90% of the money made on multiplat based games unless its a console only game. EA and Activision for example make the bulk of their profits on multiplats from Pc gaming not on consoles. For example Activision gets over 60% of their profits come from pc gaming market.

#37 Posted by DragonfireXZ95 (19834 posts) -

if anything is holding back pc gaming its piracy and the development costs to utilize the latest hardware possibilities , not consoles , there are much more PC's out there than all consoles combined , yet devs rather make console games

AmnesiaHaze
There are more PC games in general than console games, you realize this, right?
#38 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="67gt500"]Ironically, it's PC gamers who are holding back PC gaming... if developers and publishers were more confident that they would get paid for their work, more PC exclusive titles that truly demonstrated the gap between PC and console would be in development... piracy is the biggest detriment to PC gaming -- not consoles...kalipekona

You guys are being stupid. First of all, the PC does get quite a few exclusives. The reason most big budget games don't push the PC to its limits is because such games cost so much to make that developers must release them on as many platforms as possible to recoup development costs. Even if all piracy on PC went away this would still be the case.

The ONLY reason the consoles get exclusives that push the respective hardware is because they are funded by the platform holders. The PC platform is owned by nobody.

From a consumer perspective, how does that matter? Does how enjoyable a game is vary based on who wrote the check?
#39 Posted by EvanTheGamer (1161 posts) -

[QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

if anything is holding back pc gaming its piracy and the development costs to utilize the latest hardware possibilities , not consoles , there are much more PC's out there than all consoles combined , yet devs rather make console games

DragonfireXZ95

There are more PC games in general than console games, you realize this, right?

Most of them arent worth playing as well.

This is why PC Gaming's future has shifted so much to F2P.

#40 Posted by Rocker6 (13358 posts) -

Like 90% of the money for games like GTA, Assassin's Creed, Batman Arkham, Elder Scrolls, Mass Effect etc comes from consoles. Without that kind of money the developers obv wouldn't have been able to have anywhere near the same level of detail, or amount of content. Consoles are not holding back gaming, they are carrying it.Sushiglutton

Proof?

#41 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="AmnesiaHaze"]

if anything is holding back pc gaming its piracy and the development costs to utilize the latest hardware possibilities , not consoles , there are much more PC's out there than all consoles combined , yet devs rather make console games

EvanTheGamer

There are more PC games in general than console games, you realize this, right?

Most of them arent worth playing as well.

This is why PC Gaming's future has shifted so much to F2P.

Most of anything isn't worth playing.
#42 Posted by Loegi (1692 posts) -
Gamers are responsible for their own platform. Whether it's "PC holding back consoles", "360 has no games", "Sony closes another studio", "Wii gets only shovelware", etc., you only get what you're paying for. Don't like it? Look in the mirror, realize it's the money in your wallet that drives publishers' decision-making, and support studios who are making the kind of games you want. Or don't, but then you have no right to complain.lowe0
So developers wouldn't ever be swayed by more opportunity etc. on the other platform?
#43 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

This is why PC Gaming's future has shifted so much to F2P.

EvanTheGamer

because mmos are all the pc has? :roll:

#44 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -
[QUOTE="lowe0"]Gamers are responsible for their own platform. Whether it's "PC holding back consoles", "360 has no games", "Sony closes another studio", "Wii gets only shovelware", etc., you only get what you're paying for. Don't like it? Look in the mirror, realize it's the money in your wallet that drives publishers' decision-making, and support studios who are making the kind of games you want. Or don't, but then you have no right to complain.Loegi
So developers wouldn't ever be swayed by more opportunity etc. on the other platform?

If there's more opportunity on a platform other than yours, whose fault is that?
#45 Posted by Loegi (1692 posts) -

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

This is why PC Gaming's future has shifted so much to F2P.

CaseyWegner

because mmos are all the pc has? :roll:

There are other genres that have F2P games now. Like FPS, and MOBA.
#46 Posted by Loegi (1692 posts) -
[QUOTE="Loegi"][QUOTE="lowe0"]Gamers are responsible for their own platform. Whether it's "PC holding back consoles", "360 has no games", "Sony closes another studio", "Wii gets only shovelware", etc., you only get what you're paying for. Don't like it? Look in the mirror, realize it's the money in your wallet that drives publishers' decision-making, and support studios who are making the kind of games you want. Or don't, but then you have no right to complain.lowe0
So developers wouldn't ever be swayed by more opportunity etc. on the other platform?

If there's more opportunity on a platform other than yours, whose fault is that?

I'd guess the large group of people on that platform.
#47 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -
[QUOTE="Loegi"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Loegi"] So developers wouldn't ever be swayed by more opportunity etc. on the other platform?

If there's more opportunity on a platform other than yours, whose fault is that?

I'd guess the large group of people on that platform.

So simply outspend them. Problem solved.
#48 Posted by Loegi (1692 posts) -
[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Loegi"][QUOTE="lowe0"] If there's more opportunity on a platform other than yours, whose fault is that?

I'd guess the large group of people on that platform.

So simply outspend them. Problem solved.

You mean by buying a game thousands of times? I'm sorry, but I don't have those kind of funds.
#49 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="EvanTheGamer"]

This is why PC Gaming's future has shifted so much to F2P.

Loegi

because mmos are all the pc has? :roll:

There are other genres that have F2P games now. Like FPS, and MOBA.

but not in numbers like tc is suggesting.

#50 Posted by lowe0 (13692 posts) -
[QUOTE="Loegi"][QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="Loegi"] I'd guess the large group of people on that platform.

So simply outspend them. Problem solved.

You mean by buying a game thousands of times? I'm sorry, but I don't have those kind of funds.

What platform are you concerned about that has you outnumbered 1000 to 1?