Console Peeps: why dismiss entire genres?

#51 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38218 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

Because all JRPGs and anime are for pedophiles. Wait, what was the question?

"Why does mems like JRPGs and Anime?"

#52 Posted by nutcrackr (12806 posts) -

I'm a PC gamer and I dismiss genres too, everybody has different tastes and have limited time to play games.

#53 Posted by Technoweirdo (7322 posts) -

Could I get a tl;dr for the intro? It was so full of champ stroking his own ego that I didn't read it.

Anyways, to channel my inner console gamer's thoughts on PC gaming's flagship titles:

Counter-Strike: Competitive. Hardcore.
DOTA 2: Competitive. Hardcore.
StarCraft II: Competitive. Hardcore.
MMOs: *See: South Park WoW ep*
Everything else: Never heard of that.

I'd say PC gaming has an image problem when I can describe the first three major games for the platform in two very newcomer-unfriendly words and the fourth is World of Warcraft. Everything else on the platform you'll likely only hear through word of mouth, but if you're coming from a console gaming background, your ears are already in more console-oriented areas. One look or, God help you, try, and you'll be able to make sweeping statements from there.

Bonus and mostly unrelated: $5000 PC to enjoy Crysis @2160p 120fps? Man, fuck that shit. I'mma buy $15 DLC for a game I already own instead. This is an actual thought I get (Well, maybe not the DLC part). Not playing on max (and I have to do this often) gives me the feeling I'm not playing a game The Way It's Meant To Be Played™ and that I'm not getting the complete experience.

#54 Posted by jer_1 (7451 posts) -

Nice OP...I think. I didn't actually read it.

#55 Edited by jg4xchamp (49501 posts) -

@Technoweirdo said:

Could I get a tl;dr for the intro? It was so full of champ stroking his own ego that I didn't read it.

Clearly it would be an unnecessary addition, since the bold was painfully obvious techno, gosh.

Plus if I need to do too long; didn't read for a whopping 4 sentences. That's not on me, that's on you people having the reading abilities and attention span of children.

#56 Edited by mems_1224 (48150 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@mems_1224 said:

Because all JRPGs and anime are for pedophiles. Wait, what was the question?

"Why does mems like JRPGs and Anime?"

Only Yukiko

#57 Edited by Gue1 (11026 posts) -

because those PC genres feel like pointless time wasters to me, and not to mention boring as fuck.

The only decent games on PC are those ported from consoles like Final Fantasy VII or Street Fighter IV.

#58 Edited by Technoweirdo (7322 posts) -
@jg4xchamp said:

Clearly it would be an unnecessary addition, since the bold was painfully obvious techno, gosh.

Plus if I need to do too long; didn't read for a whopping 4 sentences. That's not on me, that's on you people having the reading abilities and attention span of children.

And I thought it was painfully obvious I was asking for a tl;dr of the tl;dr section which really is too friggin' long 'cause of all your ego-stroking, GAWD. Never change, man.

#59 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (8685 posts) -

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

#60 Edited by tonitorsi (8613 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

#61 Posted by PapaTrop (1710 posts) -

It's because they don't have access to those genres.

Because you're right. Tons of console gamers complain about shallow stories, shallow gameplay, etc., but when it's pointed out that great gameplay and stories can be easily found in many PC games it turns into "those genres suck".

If a good one ever came to consoles you'd find them changing their tone, but that won't happen anytime soon because the standard dual analog controller is such a huge limitation to the type of game that can be found on consoles.

#62 Posted by charizard1605 (60324 posts) -

Because they really don't know any better.

#63 Posted by FoxbatAlpha (8685 posts) -

@tonitorsi said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

Frosted Flakes good?........................................................THEY'RE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#64 Posted by inb4uall (6134 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

Same. Neither Sony or Microsoft are worth anyones time.

#65 Edited by handssss (1898 posts) -

#66 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (9067 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

@tonitorsi said:

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

Frosted Flakes good?........................................................THEY'RE GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, they're actually pretty terrible.

#67 Edited by finalfantasy94 (26811 posts) -

The only one you brought up that I like is point and click. I just dont find myself interested in the other types you listed.

#68 Posted by NoodleFighter (7804 posts) -

Space sims were suddenly relevant soon as No Man's Sky was hinted at as PS4 exclusive. Now you have cows trying to claim ownage against a platform that is getting way more Space sims than them.

#69 Edited by Heirren (18468 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Intro: Listen I know, usually when PC gamers make threads it comes with an overpowering feeling of elitism. And trust me a Champ thread is twice as elitist, because I'm twice as obnoxious. But I'll make my best attempts to meet you half way. For instance: I being the honorable champion that I am do the too long; didn't read part, before my actual OP.

You people: Um you only do that, because you write long ass novel posts that probably should have been condensed to 3 sentences anyway.

That doesn't invalidate my glorious decision making. So fuck you.

So Too long; not reading Champ's shit: Why is it that you completely dismiss the PC genres like MMOs, strategy games, mobas, point n clicks, etc?

Now with those of you who don't have the attention span of a 5 year old, I'll get more into why I want to ask this question.

Actual OP: See what I mean by drawing this out way fucking longer than I should? right? anyway.

When it comes to the usual console vs PC garbage of PC gamers being elitist dick twinkies (lets be real: you are), and console fans being ignorant bitch muffins (lets be real: you are): when all else fails the console fans will go to the age ol "the only exclusives the PC gets are RTS games, Mobas, MMO's, point and clicks" and it's like...the PC guys never need to actually diss your exclusives this way.

In contrast the PC guys don't need to point out the disgusting majority of Playstation/Xbox exclusives fall into action games or racing games. Yes every now and then exceptions like Viva Pinata and Valkyria Chronicles happen. But otherwise it's a whole lot of shooting dudes in the face and vrom vrom, extra lap. With no disrespect intended to a terrific game like The Last of Us or....well no, just The Last of Us.

So for the slightly less ignorant why dismiss these games, when a majority of your exclusives fit a similar comfort food genre?

I've gone the extra step and set up your responses "well those PC genres just aren't any good".

Um why? Is it the complexity? is it the part where they have genuine depth to gameplay? is it the part where they are built for longer investment times than one n done flavor of the month spectacles? Because as gaming enthusiasts, specifically the type that dissed the Wii for leaving the "hardcore" for the "casual" should you not appreaciate games with depth? should you not appreciate rich game design? should you not respect value for the dollar in terms of longevity of these games?

"Yeah but they are boring"

Why though? Because they aren't straight forward action games? They are less about reflex (RTS's noted, calm down) and more about ...thinking? You have to play on a more lateral level than you are used to? The gaming enthusiast who was bothered by shitty "casuals ruining gaming industry' don't like games where the player is demanded to think?

"I like games with stories"

So you dismiss an entire genre that has the most consistent and some of the best (if not the absolute best) story writers in the medium in point and click games? Because fundamentally speaking the point and click adventure genre is built to tell a story, and thus has the most organic writing in a video games. And it can't be a lack of love for this genre, because I know The Walking Dead/Wolf Among Us got love.

It can't be "lack of gameplay" because the ones that had crossover success on consoles, are the ones with less adventure gameplay. To the point where the gameplay part is borderline non existent. Sure the average adventure game can be far from special (1954 Alcatras and Richard and Alice are good examples of average), but in between you still get something genuinely cool like the Blackwell Epiphany, Deponia, or Kentucky Route Zero.

And when that fails: "Yeah, but that's all the PC has"

Okay whoa, let's not mistake the PC for a platform that is irrelevant to a vast majority of developers like the WiiU. It gets a lionshare of all the important third party Triple A multiplats, it's got a larger selection of indie games, downloadable only games, and niche games that either are less prominent on consoles (Horror games for instance) or games that can't be done on consoles without stripping away the depth from those games (the aformentioned strategy games, mobas, mmos, etc).

So yeah, why dismiss a bunch of clearly well designed games?

For the record this isn't a why don't you PC thread. That one is fucking easy. More expensive buy in and lack of interest in PC, which is whatever you don't want to game on a platform that gives the consumer genuine choice, flexibility, and options.

Dismissing entire genres based entirely on preference though? seems really misguided given the gap in gameplay depth.

I wait my just deserts and my lolchampthreads.

I didn't read all this. The simple answer is that pc gamers need to understand that there is a LARGE portion of people that like videogames but simply don't give a fck enough to go that in depth into the pc scene. People want to lay down on their ass and play a game to unwind after a long day. People want to buy a product at bestbuy or amazon. PC gamers don't realize that Steam, while a service many love, can be very cumbersome to adults that may have careers, etc. Steam actually alienates a group of people. This group honestly doesn't even know what is available. I'll use myself as an example that somewhat correlates to this. I grew up with the nes. I would read the game magazines up until around the Dreamcast era. Back then I really dug games that had the massive content. I could actually sit down and embrace a very long game. Today? Some may find this odd but I PREFER the high quality, compact sub 10 hour campaigns.

#70 Edited by hiphops_savior (8022 posts) -

#71 Posted by commonfate (12701 posts) -

@FoxbatAlpha said:

I don't dismiss entire genres, I dismiss entire companies. Example: Sony.

Now that's what being hardcore is all about.

I like it.

#72 Posted by commonfate (12701 posts) -

This thread contains a disgusting amount of circlejerk.

#73 Posted by Zassimick (7021 posts) -

Console-only gamer here. I have a multitude of reasons for being only console, but I'll just get the base point out and say it's because I own a few Macbooks and an iMac because of when I was in school and now work. Therefore, I miss out on a lot of games on PC. With that out of the way...

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I respect a lot of PC games. I really wanted to build a PC for The Witcher, Crysis and S.T.A.L.K.E.R. back in the day. I desired to play Planescape: Torment more than most new releases that were coming out for a time. I purchased Diablo 2 for my Mac (and Diablo 3 at release) in hopes that I would really get into the games. There are plenty of games I want to play on the system, plus plenty of games that I have no desire to play but realize that they are quality titles. I also recognize at the large, diverse library that PC gamers have available to them; a rich history of quality studio titles and what seems like an infinite number of indie titles can be bought right through one service. More saying this to drive home the point that I'm not one of those who discredits the library or whatever, like a few of your points were.

I certainly won't go into why I dismiss every genre, but I feel like I can do a couple of them. Genres I don't find particularly enjoying are RTS, fighting, racing, flight-sim, MMORPG... uh... can't think of any others at the moment. I haven't tried my hand at a MOBA yet. And there are certainly exceptions to my distaste of every genre. Smash Bros is a fun fighting game though I know many would discredit that, but I'm also going to give Injustice a try; recently purchased it because of a sale and my love of the DC universe made me willing to try. Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn has been one of the best experiences with gaming I've had in recent years and it was mainly through the beta and first few days of playing it on PS4. I've tried other MMOs, but something stuck with me about FFXIV, the music, atmosphere, visuals, world, etc. So many things culminated into a Final Fantasy experience I've been desiring a long time, and the game seemed good enough for a purchase and for me to overlook the monthly fee. Mario Kart is a fun racer and I loved Need for Speed Underground back in the day. Point is: exceptions are there to these genres I dislike.

The RTS genre is a big genre on the PC that is fairly rare on consoles so I'll speak on that. I've tried a few RTS games, Starcraft, Halo Wars, Warcraft 3 and Age of Empires. What don't I like about these games? There's a couple things, note that they are of course personal preferences and not criticisms of the games themselves.

First, and this stems even to today when I've tried to enjoy Portal and the Diablo games on my Macbook, I don't enjoy gaming with a mouse and keyboard. I've tried to give it time, and my friends are wanting me to get into Diablo 3 with them so I may try again, but I don't enjoy how it feels. It's a personal preference, certainly not a fault of the games. The next point is about micromanaging in the RTS genre. I hated it. I don't enjoy indirectly controlling a squad of soldiers somewhere by highlighting them and clicking to a point in the map to tell them where to go, then to go take a look at other units and make sure they are doing just fine or that someone hasn't breached an area. This could potentially be looked at as I don't like intellectual games, or I don't want to think during my games, but it is certainly not that and if one is looking for a logical discussion why resort to the harassment by saying someone doesn't want to think? Micromanaging units has not been fun, but if I can find a quality game where I have to think through a puzzle, my actions, or how I'm going to tackle a problem, I'm generally having a great time. Those points came together and I realized while trying a few games in the genre that I wasn't having any fun. I'm open to finding one that I'll enjoy though.

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TL;DR version

  • I respect the quality of PC titles despite not having played them and assuming I won't enjoy them based off prior experiences in the genre.
  • There are a few genres I dislike, but there are exceptions to every rule.
  • I haven't enjoyed the RTS genre because of my dislike of KB/M controls and micromanaging.
  • If you discredit someone for disliking micromanagement and attribute that to them not wanting to think or have intellectual games, you aren't helping discussion.
  • I'm open to finding an RTS game I'll enjoy.

Also, I'm really disliking seeing quality posters attributing assumptions about those who dislike PC games only enjoying Uncharted or other titles because they are mindless, or that the advertising or shine of the graphics blinds many gamers from the harsh reality that is the game sucking. Couldn't it be because many of us find them fun? I question why some of these veteran posters are bringing such hostility into the mix when I'd expect better from them. Dunno if you are just playing to System Wars' standards or if you truly are that negative, but it's disheartening to say the least.

#74 Edited by PsychoLemons (2300 posts) -

Because everyone is dumb.

#75 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1579 posts) -

Main reason:

They aren't fully realized on their system of choice yet. That is IT. Fanboys will be fanboys.

Once the genre comes to their console in a good/proper form they will suddenly love it. This happens with all PC genres. It happened with FPS, it happened with online gaming, and its happening with MMOS at the moment. Next gen it will likely happen with rts and moba if consoles ever get a decent control device.

TLDR: It isnt on my system so it sucks. Nothing more.

#76 Posted by clyde46 (47274 posts) -

@RoboCopISJesus said:

Main reason:

They aren't fully realized on their system of choice yet. That is IT. Fanboys will be fanboys.

Once the genre comes to their console in a good/proper form they will suddenly love it. This happens with all PC genres. It happened with FPS, it happened with online gaming, and its happening with MMOS at the moment. Next gen it will likely happen with rts and moba if consoles ever get a decent control device.

It sucks unless its on consoles.

#77 Posted by lawlessx (47084 posts) -

people hate on things until they have access to them.

#78 Posted by cainetao11 (18816 posts) -

@jg4xchamp said:

Intro: Listen I know, usually when PC gamers make threads it comes with an overpowering feeling of elitism. And trust me a Champ thread is twice as elitist, because I'm twice as obnoxious. But I'll make my best attempts to meet you half way. For instance: I being the honorable champion that I am do the too long; didn't read part, before my actual OP.

You people: Um you only do that, because you write long ass novel posts that probably should have been condensed to 3 sentences anyway.

That doesn't invalidate my glorious decision making. So fuck you.

So Too long; not reading Champ's shit: Why is it that you completely dismiss the PC genres like MMOs, strategy games, mobas, point n clicks, etc?

Now with those of you who don't have the attention span of a 5 year old, I'll get more into why I want to ask this question.

Actual OP: See what I mean by drawing this out way fucking longer than I should? right? anyway.

When it comes to the usual console vs PC garbage of PC gamers being elitist dick twinkies (lets be real: you are), and console fans being ignorant bitch muffins (lets be real: you are): when all else fails the console fans will go to the age ol "the only exclusives the PC gets are RTS games, Mobas, MMO's, point and clicks" and it's like...the PC guys never need to actually diss your exclusives this way.

In contrast the PC guys don't need to point out the disgusting majority of Playstation/Xbox exclusives fall into action games or racing games. Yes every now and then exceptions like Viva Pinata and Valkyria Chronicles happen. But otherwise it's a whole lot of shooting dudes in the face and vrom vrom, extra lap. With no disrespect intended to a terrific game like The Last of Us or....well no, just The Last of Us.

So for the slightly less ignorant why dismiss these games, when a majority of your exclusives fit a similar comfort food genre?

I've gone the extra step and set up your responses "well those PC genres just aren't any good".

Um why? Is it the complexity? is it the part where they have genuine depth to gameplay? is it the part where they are built for longer investment times than one n done flavor of the month spectacles? Because as gaming enthusiasts, specifically the type that dissed the Wii for leaving the "hardcore" for the "casual" should you not appreaciate games with depth? should you not appreciate rich game design? should you not respect value for the dollar in terms of longevity of these games?

"Yeah but they are boring"

Why though? Because they aren't straight forward action games? They are less about reflex (RTS's noted, calm down) and more about ...thinking? You have to play on a more lateral level than you are used to? The gaming enthusiast who was bothered by shitty "casuals ruining gaming industry' don't like games where the player is demanded to think?

"I like games with stories"

So you dismiss an entire genre that has the most consistent and some of the best (if not the absolute best) story writers in the medium in point and click games? Because fundamentally speaking the point and click adventure genre is built to tell a story, and thus has the most organic writing in a video games. And it can't be a lack of love for this genre, because I know The Walking Dead/Wolf Among Us got love.

It can't be "lack of gameplay" because the ones that had crossover success on consoles, are the ones with less adventure gameplay. To the point where the gameplay part is borderline non existent. Sure the average adventure game can be far from special (1954 Alcatras and Richard and Alice are good examples of average), but in between you still get something genuinely cool like the Blackwell Epiphany, Deponia, or Kentucky Route Zero.

And when that fails: "Yeah, but that's all the PC has"

Okay whoa, let's not mistake the PC for a platform that is irrelevant to a vast majority of developers like the WiiU. It gets a lionshare of all the important third party Triple A multiplats, it's got a larger selection of indie games, downloadable only games, and niche games that either are less prominent on consoles (Horror games for instance) or games that can't be done on consoles without stripping away the depth from those games (the aformentioned strategy games, mobas, mmos, etc).

So yeah, why dismiss a bunch of clearly well designed games?

For the record this isn't a why don't you PC thread. That one is fucking easy. More expensive buy in and lack of interest in PC, which is whatever you don't want to game on a platform that gives the consumer genuine choice, flexibility, and options.

Dismissing entire genres based entirely on preference though? seems really misguided given the gap in gameplay depth.

I wait my just deserts and my lolchampthreads.

I am starting to try RTS now that I have a gaming PC. I doubt I will MMOs like WOW because of I like to play as many games as I can. Most of the friends I have that play MMOs are playing them a lot. MOBAs just not interested in what it is. Point n clicks I would try I guess. My game time is very limited now so I look to play what I really enjoy most, and MOBA, MMO, PnC, RTS havent been in that for me.

#79 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1740 posts) -

I'm with SolidTy on this one. Frequently, there are genres that you just don't like, no matter how many times you have tried to get into them.

I can easily say I'm not a fan of racers, MMO's, and Mobas. I don't like them and I get bored. Simple as that. I don't dismiss them as being non-existent, I just don't care for them. Haven't heard many folks complain about point n clicks though; I don't mind those. Definitely a fan of RTS and strategy games as well.

#80 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -
@ladyblue said:

@wis3boi said:

because they can't play them

Well that isn't close to being accurate... perhaps because they grew tired of those genres?

How can they grow tired of something they can't play? :O

#81 Edited by lamprey263 (25024 posts) -

I've never seen console gamers rip on PC gamers for playing genres like those.

#82 Posted by lawlessx (47084 posts) -

@lamprey263 said:

I've never seen console gamers rip on PC gamers for playing genres like those.

If you've never seen console gamers bash RTS,Moba,point and click games,MMOs,etc..you haven't been here long enough

#83 Edited by SambaLele (5516 posts) -

What I think about dismissing entire genres: it's essentially generalizing (obvious, right?). And it's also got a bit to do with personal characteristics like ambition and curiosity (lack of, actually). Personally I tend to think of ambition and curiosity as correlated in some aspects.

Kinda like someone who tried, let's say, one arab food dish and from that moment on in his entire life says that he hates arab food. He's generalizing. He doesn't actually know if he enjoys or not that entire genre of food. What he says should only apply to that particular item. But for some reason, he thinks he shouldn't try other dishes because they ought to be as bad as that one for him.

It's quite common: people who do that and resort to generalization probably doesn't want to broaden their experiences or understanding, and seek for excuses so they don't have to go farther than their confort zone. If confronted again on this, they can just pull the "opinion" card, and hope that the other party takes baseless opinion as an equal to informed opinion.

I actually wrote a lot about shansklishs, kibbehs and games in this post but deleted it all, let's just say that those people are not actually saying that they don't like the whole games genre in it's entirety, only that they don't really want to know if they like it or not, if there's any one game that they could enjoy in that genre. They may be missing a potential personal favorite, but they want to limit themselves to those few bad experiences they had so they can go back to play their routine genres. Of course this can't translate everyone's generalization, but I think it's mostly this.

Oh, and tl;dr is more related to not being able to get and keep people's attention, than to the text extension per se.

#84 Edited by Zassimick (7021 posts) -

@SambaLele said:

Oh, and tl;dr is more related to not being able to get and keep people's attention, than to the text extension per se.

I'm curious and would love to hear you opinion on the matter: how much do you try till you can fully say you dislike the genre despite there being maybe one game (or dish) out of fifty that would appeal to your tastes? Games in bulk are expensive and not everyone can purchase every game nor do we have all the time in the world to play every game. So where can the line be drawn to say a gamer just doesn't enjoy the genre rather than be looked at as lazy or unwilling to try everything?

Note that I'm not actually looking for a number, more the idea of it all. :P

#85 Edited by lamprey263 (25024 posts) -

@lawlessx said:

@lamprey263 said:

I've never seen console gamers rip on PC gamers for playing genres like those.

If you've never seen console gamers bash RTS,Moba,point and click games,MMOs,etc..you haven't been here long enough

I've seen a few threads in the last year that had more to speak of the failure of consoles to have such genres on them. But I've seen nothing vilifying PC gamers for liking them. I wouldn't put those threads in the territory of hating on the genre. There's a realism though that the games just aren't popular on consoles, which is different than people saying they themselves hate them and by that extent hate PC gamers for liking them. There's a prevailing view that the RTS games aren't doable on consoles because of lack of mouse and keyboard. I'm more of the opinion that most RTSs on consoles in the past failed because they never properly designed themselves to be on consoles. Games like RUSE have shown the genre is doable when working within the limitations of consoles. But, there still lies the problem that the genres aren't big sellers. Despite the genre, lots of good games fail commercially. MOBAs I think are much more doable on consoles than traditional RTSs, since they allow for more players there's less to micromanage. Though, I see no viability selling as a full priced retail game, but I definitely see potential for the genre with downloadable titles like the LOTR MOBA, it would have been nice if they tried bringing Dead Island Epidemic to consoles. There still isn't much developer support for the genre. IMO one thing developers didn't push for last gen was to utilize the keypads on the Xbox 360 and PS3, and that could have been used not just in RTSs but other games as well.

Anyhow, I've seen plenty of this constructive criticism of why the genre can't gain much footing on the console market. Maybe it's not as casual enough, I dunno. But I've seen this question brought up in threads but I've never seen people ripping on the genres, it's more peoples opinions of why the genre isn't popular on consoles but I didn't see anybody say it's because the games are terrible.

#86 Edited by RoboCopISJesus (1579 posts) -

The problem is when console gamers on this board (quite frequently) actually disclude such genres from library lists and even sales articles.

Cranler, ps4nogames, Gue, and Shielder do this quite often. They call sales data "mis-leading" or "invalid" if it includes those genres.

Idiots.

#87 Edited by SambaLele (5516 posts) -

@Zassimick said:

@SambaLele said:

Oh, and tl;dr is more related to not being able to get and keep people's attention, than to the text extension per se.

I'm curious and would love to hear you opinion on the matter: how much do you try till you can fully say you dislike the genre despite there being maybe one game (or dish) out of fifty that would appeal to your tastes? Games in bulk are expensive and not everyone can purchase every game nor do we have all the time in the world to play every game. So where can the line be drawn to say a gamer just doesn't enjoy the genre rather than be looked at as lazy or unwilling to try everything?

Note that I'm not actually looking for a number, more the idea of it all. :P

Of course, you're entirely right. There's no way someone can just define a number everyone must meet before having a conclusion. I didn't mean it like people must meet my personal requirements so they are not lazy, unwilling, etc., like you put it. It's more about not falling to the temptation of generalizing from few experiences (that depends on various circunstances... there're genres that are broader or narrower than others, just like cookery, and many other factors of course), or from not getting, not understanding that there're experiences you can get from that genre that are very different from the one you just had. Maybe trying 5 almost identical games won't render you the same understanding on the genre that just 2 very different ones could (like trying an arcade racing game vs. a simulation one; or a combat racing one... they are all racing games, but the experience is very different). It depends more on curiosity I guess, than resilience. Reading and getting other people's opinions could help in that selection probably. Thus the lack of ambition/curiosity I mentioned, as in actually not willing to know.

Just to make sure, I'm not generalizing about how everyone that dismiss entire genres do it... it's just the most plausible way I see it happening, but surely it's not the only one. I'd instantly respect someone who said "I tried many games of that genre and I simply can't get to like it". That's different than saying, for example, "strategy games = complete boredom". This is the kind of attitude I took as a starting point.

#88 Posted by Zassimick (7021 posts) -

@SambaLele: Haha, no problem at all! I wasn't trying to bait you or anything, was actually curious as to what you'd say on the matter. Your original post was a good one so I wanted to see you comment further on that matter.

#89 Edited by getyeryayasout (8203 posts) -

I think they're underappreciated by console gamers simply because there are few, if any, choices of those genres to play on consoles. However if those genres are introduced in a way that works for consoles they could flourish. Look at the success that The Walking Dead had with a genre that typically isn't thought of as console friendly.

I think the fact that the dismissed genres lend themselves to KB/M and not a standard gamepad is significant as well.

#90 Edited by harry_james_pot (11134 posts) -

Same as with everything else. They can't have it, so they make up stupid nonsense.

Consoles don't have MMOs, Adventure, and Strategy games: "lols, they don't count."

Consoles run games on 30fps. "The human eye can't see beyond that."

etc..

#91 Edited by SambaLele (5516 posts) -

@Zassimick said:

@SambaLele: Haha, no problem at all! I wasn't trying to bait you or anything, was actually curious as to what you'd say on the matter. Your original post was a good one so I wanted to see you comment further on that matter.

I see where you're coming from. Especially considering your post #73. You leave the possibility open for genres that didn't catch you yet. You just voiced an informed opinion on personal issues you've had with the genre, which can still be corrected since the genre hasn't been completely explored yet (no genre has, and maybe none ever will right...). That's exactly what I was talking about, curiosity, and by doing that you're not generalizing. Thus, not dismissing the entire genre.

#92 Edited by HAZE-Unit (10497 posts) -

@uninspiredcup said:

Strategy games invovle

1. Thinking

2. Investment

3. Attempting to market a game that involves thinking, limiting money (in Publishers eyes)

4. A superior control scheme for men

It appears console gaming is best suited for more simplstic affairs.

Primarily movie games.

Playing with your dick isn't something you add to prove a point, thats not the way to do it dude lol.

#93 Posted by getyeryayasout (8203 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

@mems_1224 said:

Because all JRPGs and anime are for pedophiles. Wait, what was the question?

"Why does mems like JRPGs and Anime?"

lmao

#94 Posted by PS4hasNOgames (2226 posts) -

pc games just are a bore and chore.

#95 Posted by LadyBlue (3985 posts) -

@AmazonTreeBoa said:
@ladyblue said:

@wis3boi said:

because they can't play them

Well that isn't close to being accurate... perhaps because they grew tired of those genres?

How can they grow tired of something they can't play? :O

Is sorcery keeping them from playing those games? :P

#96 Edited by da_illest101 (7634 posts) -

Seriously they are just not fun to me. I used to play mmos, point and click and rts back in the days, but they got boring to me. Never could get into mobas, not for me. I don't like simulation games either. It has nothing to do with it being on PC. I don't gran turismo or forza yet they are on consoles.

#97 Posted by wis3boi (31843 posts) -

@ladyblue said:

@AmazonTreeBoa said:
@ladyblue said:

@wis3boi said:

because they can't play them

Well that isn't close to being accurate... perhaps because they grew tired of those genres?

How can they grow tired of something they can't play? :O

Is sorcery keeping them from playing those games? :P

show me all those cool mobas and rts games on console....wait....

#98 Posted by santoron (7895 posts) -

Truth is gamers ignore or in other ways marginalize genres they don't fancy (or know much about) all the time. I know PC gamers that won't touch an MMO or RTS, and console gamers that hate FPSes and platformers.

#99 Posted by speedfog (3333 posts) -

They are boring, that's the only sentence I read. tl;dr

#100 Posted by Allicrombie (25419 posts) -

Shooters don't have stories, silly, that's why you're shooting things.