Console gaming is a mess.

Oh I don't know myself. For the record I do think console gaming is a mess right now, outside of nintendo. But....for the question at hand? It is a long list dating back to Atari and console design being made to really mimic what was in an arcade. You name a classic game and chances are it isn't a pc title. Not that there aren't classics on pc but it simply pales in comparison I'm sure. We're talking every single type of sports title, platformer, action game, the advent of 3d game control, multiplayer action puzzlers,......................................the list goes on forever--I just don't see the point. Every single eastern origin game? It is ridiculous. So all that vsssssssssss.....Ultima and FPS? Lol. fer real?

Ya... i'm guessing you can't make a list then.

It'd be easier to make a list of pc games because it is much shorter. I don't have time to make a list.

Alright, that's fair I guess.

You act as if PC is innocent in this regard.

@DevilMightCry: The only real problem with the PS4 is the CPU. I honestly think based on my building experience that if they would have installed a much better CPU overall the PS4 would have performed much better. It's faster than the PS3 so it has improved but we are also playing stripped down games that can't hardly perform the way they should. So overall that DDR5 I guess made up for the slack of the CPU, optical drive and HDD combined because they are all garbage. The PS4 could have been built for $250 give or take a few.

I agree, they're adding too much shit on to the console experience now. A cold start up takes while on the X1. Installations and updates should be in the background effecting your next play instead of shoving it your face. I go to play Forza 5, 'oh here's a 2.5 GB update, have fun'. I don't know how the PS4 handles updates, but they got it right with background installations. It takes so freaking long on the X1 to install from disc, if they knew they were going to do this, why not put a faster Blu Ray drive in there.

Even on the PC a lot of updates happen in the background and effect the next time you start up.

Although MS did invest like 9 billion in 2009 in a load of data centres World wide for the Azure network although it seems to have had teething problems.

console gaming is still a lot more seamless than pc + the initial investment ie, buying the console, costs less + wont run into compatibility issues + ms/sony exclusives stomp pc exclusives into the ground

Is that aimed at replies here or the OP, because if it's the OP, I think you're being a bit defensive. I actually agree with him, I think the console manufacturers are starting to pull away from the core of what consoles are or were about. Strength in simplicity.

On a modern PC with things like Steam and Geforce Experience, you can actually get a remarkably close experience to consoles in terms of simplicity. How is that possible.

Not sure I agree, it's quicker to cold boot up my computer, get into Steam which pretty much takes care of everything for you and I think the costs are counter balanced over time (cheaper software + no subscriptions).

This is by far one of the best launches I've been a part of. I game primarily on consoles so multiplats count as games for me. This year I got to play the next gen versions of Battlefield, Assassins Creed, and Injustice. I also played KZ Shadow Fall, inFAMOUS. Got free digital games like Resogun, Strider, and Pixel Junk Ultimate. There's indies like Rogue Legacy, The Swapper, Hohokum, and CounterSpy that I bought recently. And then we have a huge holiday lineup with Destiny, Natural Doctrine, Middle-Earth, Alien Isolation, Evil Within, Evolve, LittleBigPlanet 3, Assassins Creed Unity, Call of Duty, The Crew, Dragon Age, Far Cry 4, and I'm sure there's more. I also like the remasters. I want to play Metro Redux because they kinda sucked to play on last gen consoles.

I can understand if you game on PC this doesn't look that good I guess. But I like gaming on console and am fine with PS4 graphics. I think they're great. I still own my PS3 but prefer PS4 version.

As for user interface, it's really quick and responsive and that's pretty much what I care about.

the thing with steam is u still have to install drivers and stuff, sure it is very simple but to the casual its still an additional step which they are not used to and yeh i agree the cheaper software+ no subscription is a huge bonus to me for pc but casuals are more attracted by the lower initial cost of consoles and dont think this far ahead.

the only way pc can become main stream is by releasing a pc that is priced similar to consoles + advertise and sell it in game stores + streamline the process even more by handling all the drivers stuff in the background + update steam interface to allow for things such as netflix to be embedded into big picture mode. essentially they need to create a console like environment

Well it sounds like Sony did it right, I'm not sure MS has yet, to that extent.

I can go with that. Although between Windows Update and Geforce Experience if they have that, it's far less of a deal now a days. You're right though, the initial cost looks better. But I think casuals game on the PC as a by-product, they don't buy a PC for gaming.

Updates on the PC work in the background and in a far more automatic way than they used to. Although Amazon Instant and Netflix were still a bit of a sham on the computer last time I checked, but that was a while ago.

Yes? SFIV and MK9 are my most played games atm. There is a larger community on console, but one isn't absent on PC either. SFIV has a pretty good sized community on PC.

I would take a PS4 coupled with a Wii U over the most powerful PC for gaming any day of the week.

I'm happy to have been gaming on both consoles & PC for so many years and hopefully will continue to do so !!

Its good to have a choice :)

As I've mentioned, SF is on PC and I play it more than any other game. Most fg's require some type of skill and basic knowledge, rather if it's anti airing, spacing out your opponent, counter poking etc. Just because a fg doesn't have 12 shotos in it doesn't make it less of a fighting game. You can play "footsies" in every fighting game that I know of, so what skill set are you referring to?

As far as your comment about the M/K combo; I only use a m/k for shooters, which is rare, but I do it because of how accurate and precise it is. Outside of that, I use a controller for other games. I also use a fight stick for fighting games. I also have a mini itx build in my living room so I can fall on my ass on the couch and play on a big tv. Skyrim is better on PC, I'm sorry to tell you that. Arcadey? That's kind of ironic since you were just talking about fighting games.

There is so much wrong with your post.

not as mainstream as consoles. pc gaming is still pretty hardcore

lol.

I think PC is beginning to see mainstream. The recent massive bump in PC hardware sales is a indicator of that imo. Not to mention the ever so growing numbers on Steam.

I buy consoles for exclusives not found anywhere else and they just happen to win an impressive amount of GOTY and garner perfect 10/10 scores that PC just can't seem to get, which make consoles 100% worth owning,,

You sir, are 100% correct. According to the Steam Hardware survey for this month, the most popular gpu is the Intel HD graphics 4000, followed by the 3000 series. I must admit the hd 4600 kind of impresses me though. I've seen people playing Crysis 3 on Youtube with the 4600, but that is on a PC. I'm guessing the people in the survey are on laptops which tend to have a weaker CPU. The gtx 660 is in 3rd place, which is a solid card. Also, most people's PC's are actually significantly weaker than the current consoles.

Steam Survey

Common PC comparison to consoles.

Yeah, he overlooked the only company doing exactly what he says consoles should be doing lol.

HELL NO. no way are console only gamers more hardcore than the pc crowd. all that survey proves is not all pc gamers are wealthy enough to buy the best pc. casuals flock to consoles, your average joe isnt going to buy his son a pc for christmas, he will buy x1/ps4

But isn't the average age of gamers different now. Casual doesn't equal young. Also on the PC there is a lot more on offer than the high end demanding games we focus on in SWs.

Then log off....stop complaining about consoles....and play games on your PC. Last I checked no one was forced to game on consoles. It's an experience some people like. Deal with it.

This is a discussion forum is it not?

That doesn't mean we have to hear people whine about things that they are in control of themselves. Seriously who is forcing him to game on a console? One of the reasons these forums are dying is threads like this.

Console basically bait PC. If console take over too quickly it could be costly on PC.

maybe the age is changing i dont know, or maybe it depends on the region. europe is supposed to be pc gaming central but i dont know many people who game at all on pc, my friends are all casual console gamers who never have heard of steam yet spend hours playing fifa/cod and get very competitive in games when i play against them.

i guess there is no real definition of hardcore gamers, what i would classify as hardcore is someone who follows the industry. i have nvidia 9800 gfx card which sucks and is out of date but i consider my self to be pretty hardcore gaming person.

Smart phones and tablets are costing the PC market actually. Not consoles.

That gave me a laugh. At times I think the same thing. Reminded me of the early days of the Wii U.

I never said anything about being "hardcore," but you have to admit that there are probably a ton of people that rock 4000 graphics and praise the power of PC lol. Like you said, not everyone can afford high end hardware.

Sony already on it.

They aren't costing the PC gaming market which goes from strength to strength but definetely the practical side of the market and the market overall.

My old rig has a 9800 in it. That's actually not a bad card and lasted me several years. I was able to play Dayz, Tomb Raider, and such on it...not maxed out, but it was playable at medium-low settings. You should upgrade though lol.

No, these forums are dying because the mods said 'ya know what, do what you want'.

The points in the op are valid. It wasn't about consoles vs PC regardless of what it might have turned into. And console gamers can say if they aren't happy about the direction consoles are going in.

@intotheminx: its pretty good card for older games but it is sucking balls with the new releases. cant even get stable 30fps on titanfall. im going to upgrade mid way into the gen, right now i want to buy x1.

That's just desktop shipments. That wouldn't take into consideration PCs people build

The consoles of today are just child safe PCs.

Well, I do agree in a way. And that is why I've only gone for Wii U so far.

I mean the Xbone and PS4 require me to pay if I want to enjoy my games online.

That is a serious mess to me. No way am I going to pay for 2 subscriptions, I'm even debating if I want to pay one.

Why are they locking away half of my game behind a paywall ? Oh, right, because Sony needed money and now they are making a profit again.

But how does this benefit me as a consumer ? Oh, right, I'll get 'free' games that I get to keep as long as I keep paying.

It's system wars

Are you shittin' me?