Concept Art on Warren Spector's (Deus Ex creator) Steampunk Mickey Mouse Epic!!

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#151 Posted by calvinx6 (1788 posts) -

Hopefully i got my Wii by the time this game comes out.

Lol at all the hate for this game.

#152 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -
It looks very, very awesome.
#153 Posted by TaMuK711 (3367 posts) -

Hopefully i got my Wii by the time this game comes out.

Lol at all the hate for this game.

calvinx6

Hate for the game?

All I've seen is hate for the platform of choice.

Which I love:D

#154 Posted by OreoMilkshake (12825 posts) -

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

stepat201
No, really?
#155 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -
[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="stepat201"]

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

No, really?

Is there? Unless it uses the WiiMote in a significant way.
#156 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

SMG was touted much the same way, but the waggle gestures and pointing didn't add much to the overall experience. SMG is my game of the generation thus far, as I have stated many times, but I would've taken HD, better textures, and more of a "pop" to the image over waggle and pointing mechanics. And it would've still been an ace product. It's just a preference.

BioShockOwnz

For myself personally I loved the wiimote implementation in SMG. I would frankly be the opposite as you but in the end we both agree. SMG is amazing and as gamers we all won regardless of platform.

#157 Posted by stepat201 (1979 posts) -

[QUOTE="stepat201"]

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

OreoMilkshake

No, really?

Yes, really.

#158 Posted by Thunderdrone (5712 posts) -

SMG was touted much the same way, but the waggle gestures and pointing didn't add much to the overall experience.BioShockOwnz
See, i completely disagree with this. IR and motion implementation is actually one of the many things that make Galaxy what it is. I think the only reason people take it for granted is because its used intelligently, its used in an elegant and discrete manner but it impacts the game design and gameplay mechanics immensly.

Pulling stars, pushing certain objects, screwing and unscrewing, ball rolling, starbit collecting, swinging ghosts, starbit shooting, Manta Ray surfing, swinging on ropes, cleaning snow, blowing bubbles etc...etc...

Take away these two seemingly dispendable input methods (IR and motion) and it would be a diferent game. Levels would be designed diferently, stuff like the flying sequences where you collect starbits wouldnt make sense, entire puzzles and events would completely loose their "freshness" and charm. It WOULDNT be Galaxy as you know it.

#159 Posted by OreoMilkshake (12825 posts) -

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="stepat201"]

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

stepat201

No, really?

Yes, really.

So we've established Wii has inferior tech. What else is new?
#160 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

Just because it's the developers descision doesn't mean we have no right to question it.

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

stepat201

you have the right to question it. its just rather stupid when all we have to go off of is concept art. For all we know this could be a damn disney themed checkers game.

#161 Posted by Thunderdrone (5712 posts) -
[QUOTE="stepat201"]

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]No, really?OreoMilkshake

Yes, really.

So we've established Wii has inferior tech. What else is new?

Its also established that stepat201 believes every game should be on high end PCs.
#162 Posted by stepat201 (1979 posts) -

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="stepat201"]

Yes, really.

Thunderdrone

So we've established Wii has inferior tech. What else is new?

Its also established that stepat201 believes every game should be on high end PCs.

I never said that, I think this game would be better on 360/PS3, then it would still have good platforming controls and the graphics would be better. There's no real advantage to having it on wii unless you're going to do something amazing with the motion controls which I doubt this game will.

#163 Posted by hy4k (1790 posts) -

If your numbers are sourced i want links, like right now. :|

And I never said the wii wasn't a good option. I said the PS3 and 360 aren't bad options. The wii is indeed thebest option which I blantantly stated at thhe beginning. Now, show me links, I'm drawing from memory but if you are so sure. Links to everything you claimed.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/03/05/insomniacs-ted-price-talks-ratchet-sales-surprises-new-ips/ That's a link for rachet being over a million.

Also, researched banjo and I was indeed wrong on that one. 154k as of January 09. More links coming.

ActicEdge

That's a link from ted price claiming that ratchet sold over a million worldwide 7 months after release. and you're right about banjo, i severely overestimated it

here's some of my figures

ratchet october 2007

ratchet october 2007

racthet lifetime total japan

de blob lifetime npd

relative development costs 7th gen

so again. cartoony games sell better on wii. they cost less to make and the demographic lends itself to family games more. very simple

#164 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -

By May 2008, R&C FToD had sold over a million.

#165 Posted by Thunderdrone (5712 posts) -

I never said that, I think this game would be better on 360/PS3, then it would still have good platforming controls and the graphics would be better. There's no real advantage to having it on wii unless you're going to do something amazing with the motion controls which I doubt this game will. stepat201

This game would be better on NASA computers, it would have even better graphics and good controls. No?

Hey, i'm just completing you're logic that it would be better on more capable machine. Why bother with the HD twin consoles when they are in the middle of the tech ladder, looking above at the PC with teary eyes.

#166 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

If your numbers are sourced i want links, like right now. :|

And I never said the wii wasn't a good option. I said the PS3 and 360 aren't bad options. The wii is indeed thebest option which I blantantly stated at thhe beginning. Now, show me links, I'm drawing from memory but if you are so sure. Links to everything you claimed.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/03/05/insomniacs-ted-price-talks-ratchet-sales-surprises-new-ips/ That's a link for rachet being over a million.

Also, researched banjo and I was indeed wrong on that one. 154k as of January 09. More links coming.

hy4k

That's a link from ted price claiming that ratchet sold over a million worldwide 7 months after release. and you're right about banjo, i severely overestimated it

here's some of my figures

ratchet october 2007

ratchet october 2007

racthet lifetime total japan

de blob lifetime npd

relative development costs 7th gen

so again. cartoony games sell better on wii. they cost less to make and the demographic lends itself to family games more. very simple

My rachet link is more recent so I'm going with that. You de blob list doesn't state worldwide (which THQ said was 700k). As I've said wii is the best choice but not all cartoony games sell well on it. Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.

#167 Posted by pyromaniac223 (5896 posts) -

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"] As do I. And I defend the Wii a lot. But let's be honest here. I want this game to be realized to its full potential, and part of that is its atmosphere, which can be helped a lot by having the hardware punch to knock it out.Thunderdrone

I'l repost this:

There never was an HD version of this game and it was a Wii project right off the bat, it was designed, planned and executed with that hardware in mind. There is no damn HD version to shed a tear about.

Its not about defending the Wii, Spector set out to make this a Wii project from the start and people are whining about things that DONT EXIST. Its like whining that DQIX should be on the PSP instead, why bother, the game is what it is because its on that system.

Same here, every concept you see and every idea they come up with, was made with the Wii in mind. This "full potential is wasted" is complete BS, like saying i should do a colored oil painting instead of a black and white charcoal drawing to fullfill my vision, thats up to ME to decide not you.

Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.
#168 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

By May 2008, R&C FToD had sold over a million.

IronBass

Already posted buddy. By me too :D

#169 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -
Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.ActicEdge
Especially if you do it for both .
#170 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -
Already posted buddy. By me too :DActicEdge
I'm getting old. D:
#171 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.pyromaniac223

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

#172 Posted by SparkyProtocol (7680 posts) -

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.ActicEdge

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

With that logic every FF game last gen should have been on the Xbox.
#173 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"] Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.IronBass
Especially if you do it for both .

Yes this is true, if this game was presumably in HD, it would be on both consoles most definitely. Also, you're not old, well, that old anyway :P

#174 Posted by pyromaniac223 (5896 posts) -

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.ActicEdge

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

Not what I'm saying. It's just a personal thing for me. I'm totally fine with every wii exclusive staying exclusive, but this is some of my favorite concept art this gen. For me personally it would have been better on PC or an HD console.
#175 Posted by stepat201 (1979 posts) -

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.ActicEdge

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

I wouldn't say that. It's just that seeing these concept screens gives people hope that the game will look at least somewhat like the concept art, and putting it on last-gen hardware takes those chances away.

#176 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.SparkyProtocol

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

With that logic every FF game last gen should have been on the Xbox.

This isn't about last gen where the graphics leap between consoles wasn't so huge however. Also, I'm asking if the logic is sound or not, not for comparison.

#177 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -

Also, you're not old, well, that old anyway :P

ActicEdge

I dunno why, but that didn't make me feel better... D:

#178 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.stepat201

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

I wouldn't say that. It's just that seeing these concept screens gives people hope that the game will look at least somewhat like the concept art, and putting it on last-gen hardware takes those chances away.

But by this logic like I posted, any wii game with gripping concept art will do the same thing and the cycle would continue. This isn't about personal preference here, I'm saying if wii games had concept art as amazing as this more often, would it be sound to say they should just be on the PS3 and 360? Don't think of the question as an exception like this case, think of it as a general thing.So again, is what I'm getting at making sense?

#179 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22486 posts) -

I can't believe wii haters these days.

Apparently the game is automatically at fault just for being on the system :|

#180 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.pyromaniac223

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

Not what I'm saying. It's just a personal thing for me. I'm totally fine with every wii exclusive staying exclusive, but this is some of my favorite concept art this gen. For me personally it would have been better on PC or an HD console.

Don't think I'm trying to pick on you. I'm the exact same, I want to see what this would be like on stronger hardware, however I'm playing devil's advocate to try and make a point. I know you aren't a hater lol.

#181 Posted by Dystopian-X (8997 posts) -

The pics look good, let's hope it doesn't stay as just some nice concept artwork when we see it translated into the actual game.

#182 Posted by SparkyProtocol (7680 posts) -
[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

With that logic every FF game last gen should have been on the Xbox.

This isn't about last gen where the graphics leap between consoles wasn't so huge however. Also, I'm asking if the logic is sound or not, not for comparison.

It was still big. I am just giving an example because I am bored.
#183 Posted by pyromaniac223 (5896 posts) -

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

ActicEdge

Not what I'm saying. It's just a personal thing for me. I'm totally fine with every wii exclusive staying exclusive, but this is some of my favorite concept art this gen. For me personally it would have been better on PC or an HD console.

Don't think I'm trying to pick on you. I'm the exact same, I want to see what this would be like on stronger hardware, however I'm playing devil's advocate to try and make a point. I know you aren't a hater lol.

That is a pretty interesting point though.
#184 Posted by KungfuKitten (21130 posts) -

Yeah let's have this on ps3 or 360. We all know what happened to Lair.
You guys don't seem to care one bit but i don't want talent to go bankrupt just because they had to make it HD to be noticed by You.
What if this game doesn't turn out to be good? I still wouldn't want them to go bankrupt, cause i think they could make a great game.
Would it break several hundred thousand on 360/ps3 even if it is a little different? I wouldn't want to bet my house on that, and that's what You're asking for.

The wii allows for experimental design, it is one of the wii's slight advantages. They could have used the DS for it, or a downloadservice, or the wii. I would rather see it on any of those than the 360/ps3.

#185 Posted by OreoMilkshake (12825 posts) -

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.stepat201

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

I wouldn't say that. It's just that seeing these concept screens gives people hope that the game will look at least somewhat like the concept art, and putting it on last-gen hardware takes those chances away.

Yeah this is the first time in history that a game won't look as good as the concept art.
#186 Posted by hy4k (1790 posts) -

My rachet link is more recent so I'm going with that. You de blob list doesn't state worldwide (which THQ said was 700k). As I've said wii is the best choice but not all cartoony games sell well on it. Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.

ActicEdge

and i maintain they cant.just like i maintaint that online focused shooters cant sell well on the wii. different demographics, different expectations

i'll go with your ratchet link as well, but it doesnt make it a top seller. Especially if a lower rated sonic game can sell more at launch as well and a low budget new ip from THQ isn't far of. both of which cost significantly less to make

ideally the game should be multiplatform but the Wii is a vastly superior option for the game compared to the PS3/360 combo

#187 Posted by IronBass (21208 posts) -

i'll go with your ratchet link as well, but it doesnt make it a top seller. hy4k

Nor does it need to be.

Besides, over 1 million sales are very, very, very good.

#188 Posted by Scythes777 (2796 posts) -

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

#189 Posted by ActicEdge (24492 posts) -

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777

I do but I can't really make a judgement about how something plays from concept art. I can actually only talk about well, how it looks.

#190 Posted by AAllxxjjnn (19988 posts) -

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777
Atmosphere and awe-inspiring set pieces with good use of lighting and shadows that set mood are just as important to me. They make it a better experience.
#191 Posted by pyromaniac223 (5896 posts) -

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777
We don't have any yet. All we have is a bunch of fantastic, imaginative concept art.
#192 Posted by magiciandude (9677 posts) -

*in reference to the reason this game is Steam Punk*

Look what Disney Channel has done! Curse you Hannah Montana! You literally destroyed Mickey Mouse's world! :evil:

#193 Posted by Scythes777 (2796 posts) -
[QUOTE="Scythes777"]

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

pyromaniac223
We don't have any yet. All we have is a bunch of fantastic, imaginative concept art.

I am saying that everyone here is just talking about the graphics being worse because its on the Wii. People should be talking about other things.
#194 Posted by mtradr43 (5272 posts) -
[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Scythes777"]

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Atmosphere and awe-inspiring set pieces with good use of lighting and shadows that set mood are just as important to me. They make it a better experience.

exactly, imagine a game like bioshock on the wii, it would be so sad.
#195 Posted by pyromaniac223 (5896 posts) -
[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Scythes777"]

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777
We don't have any yet. All we have is a bunch of fantastic, imaginative concept art.

I am saying that everyone here is just talking about the graphics being worse because its on the Wii. People should be talking about other things.

There's nothing else to talk about when all we've been given is art.
#196 Posted by OreoMilkshake (12825 posts) -

[QUOTE="Scythes777"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] We don't have any yet. All we have is a bunch of fantastic, imaginative concept art.pyromaniac223
I am saying that everyone here is just talking about the graphics being worse because its on the Wii. People should be talking about other things.

There's nothing else to talk about when all we've been given is art.

We can actually talk about the art and give our thoughts on the story and what's going on. But that sounds too civilized for SW.

#197 Posted by FrozenLiquid (12815 posts) -

*in reference to the reason this game is Steam Punk*

Look what Disney Channel has done! Curse you Hannah Montana! You literally destroyed Mickey Mouse's world! :evil:

magiciandude

Agreed. Hope Disney doesn't forget its roots

#198 Posted by DeathScape666 (8599 posts) -
Wait, so it's a platformer? Other than going for a realistic style, is it supposed to be "mature" and "dark," like American McGee's Alice?
#199 Posted by Captain_Lorelli (1078 posts) -

To all you complaining about the graphics and style on the Wii. You do realize Pixar is working on this right? Do you really think they would create a world that was not perfectly polished. Look at what nintendo did with SMG. Combine Spector, Disney Interactive, Pixar and the power of cellshading and you will have an amazing looking game. I am certain this game can surpass SMG on every level with the amount of talent working on it.

#200 Posted by hy4k (1790 posts) -
Wait, so it's a platformer? Other than going for a realistic style, is it supposed to be "mature" and "dark," like American McGee's Alice?DeathScape666
i dont think it's trying ro be edgy or sexy it seems more gloomy to be honest. kind of showing what would happen if the world of disney fell into disrepair