Character announcement for SSB4 to be streamed on Monday.

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#51 Edited by nintendoboy16 (26272 posts) -

yes, but they represent other companies and systems more so than they do Nintendo. Snake has been on damn near every system out there and has a couple of Playstation exclusives; plus, MGS5 isn't coming to Nintendo. Sonic has been Mario's rival since the dawn of console gaming - the Sega/Nintendo rivalry being comparable to Sony/MS today, it's like throwing Master Chief into PSASBR. Pacman was simply ported to nearly every system ever made, I wouldn't call that "Nintendo influence." Megaman is the only one that belongs; he had his start with Nintendo and all of his games have been on Nintendo systems, many exclusive.

They're there because they're icons of gaming, not icons of Nintendo; and you say it makes more sense for them (Megaman aside) to be in a Nintendo mash-up than someone from a Nintendo exclusive being published by Nintendo themselves?

Last I checked, Bayonetta 2 is set for an October release, with no date specified; but seeing that the 3ds version of ssb is releasing on October 3rd, I somehow doubt that Bayonetta is releasing before it. But either way, Marketing works retroactively. Personally, ssb got me interested in a bunch of games that had been out for years: Metroid, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, etc.. Why can't ssb generate interest in a game releasing right around the same time when it can generate interest in games that have been out for years?

Okay, "influence" was a wrong term (I said it, in quotes too because I couldn't think of the right term). Presence and history is what I should have said, and even then, it still makes no sense. Bayo lacks history with Nintendo systems in comparison with the other four. How many Nintendo fans even know Bayonetta? Less of them know about her than they do Snake, who's been more on PlayStations more than anything.

Do you know how many people get addicted to Smash when it comes out? Anything with a smaller release gets shunned in favor of the bigger name. Like releasing a Rayman game the same time as Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty. Sure, maybe it sparks interest in a select few, but everybody else will be paying attention to what's the biggest thing now.

#52 Edited by trugs26 (5293 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

@trugs26 said:

If it were a veteran, I guess it would be one of the original two: Captain Falcon or Jiggly Puff.

I wouldn't be surprised it were a combination announcement for a new character and one of the old ones.

Another one to consider is Dark Pit.

Dark Pit would probably be an alt for Pit, just as Dark Link was for Link. I know it doesn't make as much sense from a lore perspective, but mechanically, from SSB's perspective, that's what's more likely to happen.

Yeah I agree. But it's still something to consider given the reference at the end of the Palutena trailer. Yes it could be a reference to a skin, but it's still a possibility.

#53 Edited by yokofox33 (29360 posts) -

Chrom would be neat. Shulk would be neat as well.

Guess we'll wait and see.

#54 Posted by DocSanchez (1562 posts) -

@inb4uall: I think you need to read up on what objectively means.

It's an immensely popular franchise but not one I'm bothered about missing out on. Xenoblade, I would be buying. But the amount of franchises on wii u "I'm missing out on" is so small I am highly amused by any very forced and manufactured gloating going on by Nintendo fans. I could've bought the last three but chose not to. Nevertheless, a single character announcement on a game is not system wars worthy news, it would be better for the specific wii u board. I'd be saying the same for any game series. We've had this thread every time they've announced someone, including the wii fit trainer.

#55 Posted by Sword-Demon (6963 posts) -

@Sword-Demon said:

yes, but they represent other companies and systems more so than they do Nintendo. Snake has been on damn near every system out there and has a couple of Playstation exclusives; plus, MGS5 isn't coming to Nintendo. Sonic has been Mario's rival since the dawn of console gaming - the Sega/Nintendo rivalry being comparable to Sony/MS today, it's like throwing Master Chief into PSASBR. Pacman was simply ported to nearly every system ever made, I wouldn't call that "Nintendo influence." Megaman is the only one that belongs; he had his start with Nintendo and all of his games have been on Nintendo systems, many exclusive.

They're there because they're icons of gaming, not icons of Nintendo; and you say it makes more sense for them (Megaman aside) to be in a Nintendo mash-up than someone from a Nintendo exclusive being published by Nintendo themselves?

Last I checked, Bayonetta 2 is set for an October release, with no date specified; but seeing that the 3ds version of ssb is releasing on October 3rd, I somehow doubt that Bayonetta is releasing before it. But either way, Marketing works retroactively. Personally, ssb got me interested in a bunch of games that had been out for years: Metroid, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, F-Zero, etc.. Why can't ssb generate interest in a game releasing right around the same time when it can generate interest in games that have been out for years?

Okay, "influence" was a wrong term (I said it, in quotes too because I couldn't think of the right term). Presence and history is what I should have said, and even then, it still makes no sense. Bayo lacks history with Nintendo systems in comparison with the other four. How many Nintendo fans even know Bayonetta? Less of them know about her than they do Snake, who's been more on PlayStations more than anything.

Do you know how many people get addicted to Smash when it comes out? Anything with a smaller release gets shunned in favor of the bigger name. Like releasing a Rayman game the same time as Grand Theft Auto or Call of Duty. Sure, maybe it sparks interest in a select few, but everybody else will be paying attention to what's the biggest thing now.

There are quite a few ssb characters that have had only one or two games released: Marth had two (which were only released in Japan until the remake), Roy had one that hadn't released yet (Japan only), Ike had two, Rob had one, Olimar had two, Pit had two, Fox had two, Captain Falcon had two, Ice Climbers had one. People had no idea who a lot of these guys were until ssb came out, but they're now Nintendo staples. The same could easily happen with Bayonetta.

I think an exclusive published by Nintendo is more meaningful than a game being ported to a Nintendo system along with 50 other systems 20 years ago.

Your second point is very true, but like I said, Marketing works retroactively. People will remember Bayonetta whenever they play ssb; Any exposure Bayonetta can get will increase sales, which increases the chances of another game in the series.

#56 Posted by Sword-Demon (6963 posts) -

@inb4uall: I think you need to read up on what objectively means.

It's an immensely popular franchise but not one I'm bothered about missing out on. Xenoblade, I would be buying. But the amount of franchises on wii u "I'm missing out on" is so small I am highly amused by any very forced and manufactured gloating going on by Nintendo fans. I could've bought the last three but chose not to. Nevertheless, a single character announcement on a game is not system wars worthy news, it would be better for the specific wii u board. I'd be saying the same for any game series. We've had this thread every time they've announced someone, including the wii fit trainer.

Considering how dead the forums are, I don't think it matters much. At this point, any game related news to discuss is a good thing.

#57 Edited by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

Let it be Shulk, please let it be Shulk.

But you don't like Xenoblade. :P

@Big_Pecks said:

It's Shulk. Monolith Soft retweeted the announcement.

Not just specifically them but the character developer himself. He hasn't made a gaming related tweet since the Nintendo direct on which Xenoblade 2 (title?) was announced.

Xenoblade Chronicles X.

#58 Posted by charizard1605 (55984 posts) -
#59 Edited by smashed_pinata (3167 posts) -

This whole time i thought people were wanting She-Hulk in the game when they said Shulk. Oops

#60 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22420 posts) -

Chaz doesn't like xenoblade?

What the hell

#61 Posted by AznbkdX (3120 posts) -

I'm guessing Shulk, which is totally fine with me.

#62 Posted by nervmeister (15181 posts) -

Simon Belmont (classic)

#63 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -
#64 Posted by MirkoS77 (7148 posts) -

I remember a time when Nintendo announcements used to be exciting. Can't wait til they start hyping up the revelation of Mario's cape color selection!

#65 Posted by charizard1605 (55984 posts) -
@MirkoS77 said:

I remember a time when Nintendo announcements used to be exciting. Can't wait til they start hyping up the revelation of Mario's cape color selection!

Do you complain about new character reveals for every fighter?

#66 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (8623 posts) -
#67 Edited by nintendoboy16 (26272 posts) -
#68 Edited by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

So much for Shulk...

At least Chrom was revealed, so that still gives Shulk a chance...

#69 Posted by FireEmblem_Man (8623 posts) -

Lucina, Robin M/F, and Captain Falcon all announced

#70 Edited by FireEmblem_Man (8623 posts) -

Lucina, Robin M/F, and Captain Falcon all announced!

#71 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22420 posts) -

@MirkoS77: yes because god forbid nintendo hype up a fighter with playable character reveals

#72 Posted by mario-galaxys (614 posts) -

With Robin, that makes the third character with male and female representations. The other two are the Wii Fit Trainer and the Villager.

I did not expect multiple character reveals.

#73 Edited by big_mak523 (85 posts) -

Lucina seems like Marth clone. Super disappointed it wasn't Shulk.

EDIT: going by the website, it suggests she's a marth skin or something. I dunno, this reveal was confusing lol.

#74 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26272 posts) -

Falcon is back! YES! :D

#75 Posted by Desmonic (13397 posts) -

Wow, 4 characters at once!

As popular as Fire Emblem was/is, I feel it's getting a bit too many characters.

#76 Edited by LegatoSkyheart (24875 posts) -

@Shinobishyguy said:

You guys are all trippin

If anyone's getting in its gonna be Reyn

IT'S REYN TIME!

EDIT: WHOA Fire Emblem To the Max!!! and YES CAPTAIN FALCON!!!!!! Disappointing he didn't unleash the full power of the Falcon.

#77 Edited by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

Five FE reps?

Now, they REALLY need to throw in more Metroid, DK, SF and F-Zero.

#78 Posted by Shinobishyguy (22420 posts) -
#79 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26272 posts) -

Wait, they announce these four and yet, the stream still hasn't started yet.

#80 Edited by Wanderer5 (25699 posts) -

A few FE characters in this game.XD I probably look into Lucina who chances are will be similar to Marth (honestly should probably just be a alt costume then heh). Just need Wolf now maybe.D:

#81 Posted by freedomfreak (39127 posts) -

lol

The trophies are the actual good characters they could've put in.

#82 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

lol

The trophies are the actual good characters they could've put in.

lol no.

#83 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -


I don't get it. It's Chrom in there or not?

Wait, they announce these four and yet, the stream still hasn't started yet.

What stream?

#84 Posted by freedomfreak (39127 posts) -

lol no.

Rayman alone is better than the ones announced.

Not to mention they also turned Wonder Red into a trophy, which is sick.

#85 Edited by Heil68 (43436 posts) -
#86 Posted by m_machine024 (14864 posts) -

Falcon felt out of place but it was still awesome. Haha :P Not a FE emblem fan but Robin looks cool.

Lucina moves look too much like Marth tho :/ And that guy at the end is confirmed or what?

#87 Posted by bbkkristian (14942 posts) -

So, from this we have CaptFalcon back, Lucina, and both sexes of the Tactician named Robin.

I am satisfied.

#88 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

@93BlackHawk93 said:

lol no.

Rayman alone is better than the ones announced.

Not to mention they also turned Wonder Red into a trophy, which is sick.

Meh, Lucina and Robin are both better than Wonder Red imo and much popular too. I agree about Rayman though.

If we're talking about every newcomer, then nothing tops Mega Man.

#89 Edited by Telekill (4393 posts) -

I think character reveals are stupid, it doesn't matter the game. Just give us a full roster and be done with it.

#90 Posted by freedomfreak (39127 posts) -

Meh, Lucina and Robin are both better than Wonder Red imo and much popular too. I agree about Rayman though.

If we're talking about every newcomer, then nothing tops Mega Man.

Fair enough, BH.

Nah, man. Wii-fit trainer all day, every day.

#91 Posted by jg4xchamp (47306 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:
@93BlackHawk93 said:

lol no.

Rayman alone is better than the ones announced.

Not to mention they also turned Wonder Red into a trophy, which is sick.

Meh, Lucina and Robin are both better than Wonder Red imo and much popular too. I agree about Rayman though.

If we're talking about every newcomer, then nothing tops Mega Man.

Lucina maybe as a character, the avatar character from Awakening is doo-doo butter beyond being there for someone to go full creep into waifu emblem.

Wonder Red and his game in general has more personality as a whole, and in the context of a fighting game, he'd be better suited than another sword based fire emblem character that's going to play the same way, and a projectile heavy character like Robin.

#92 Posted by nintendoboy16 (26272 posts) -
#93 Edited by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

@bbkkristian said:

So, from this we have CaptFalcon back, Lucina, and both sexes of the Tactician named Robin.

I am satisfied.

Xeno bro, do you think Shulk could still be a possibility? :(

@jg4xchamp said:

@93BlackHawk93 said:

@freedomfreak said:
@93BlackHawk93 said:

lol no.

Rayman alone is better than the ones announced.

Not to mention they also turned Wonder Red into a trophy, which is sick.

Meh, Lucina and Robin are both better than Wonder Red imo and much popular too. I agree about Rayman though.

If we're talking about every newcomer, then nothing tops Mega Man.

Lucina maybe as a character, the avatar character from Awakening is doo-doo butter beyond being there for someone to go full creep into waifu emblem.

Wonder Red and his game in general has more personality as a whole, and in the context of a fighting game, he'd be better suited than another sword based fire emblem character that's going to play the same way, and a projectile heavy character like Robin.

I was mostly talking about relevancy, in which Wonder Red doesn't have much. But talking from an unique fighter standpoint, he's pretty legit.

#94 Edited by princeofshapeir (13745 posts) -

So this is the day I've been waiting for since Sm4sh was announced: Captain Falcon's reveal. It was annoying to see his reveal trailer interrupted by two nobodies from Fire Emblem, but that's okay, I ain't even mad. I'm just glad Chrom isn't in.

rip in pepperonis ridley/shulk/snake fans

#95 Posted by DilIigaf (27 posts) -

So much for Shulk...

At least Chrom was revealed, so that still gives Shulk a chance...

How poor can your comprehension be to think that Chrom was announced as a playable character in that trailer? I'm not trying to be rude, but please don't ever have children.

#96 Edited by DJ-Lafleur (34142 posts) -

This is kind of weird for me. I would have been okay with Lucina or the avatar making it in over Chrom ( I would have been okay with Chrom as well for that matter), though now that BOTH are in, not having Chrom playable just looks weird to me, since he's pretty much the other important character from Awakening, especially since Chrom is one of the first characters you see in the game.

#97 Posted by 93BlackHawk93 (5299 posts) -

@diliigaf said:

@93BlackHawk93 said:

So much for Shulk...

At least Chrom was revealed, so that still gives Shulk a chance...

How poor can your comprehension be to think that Chrom was announced as a playable character in that trailer? I'm not trying to be rude, but please don't ever have children.

-_-

I don't want children anyways.

#98 Edited by Demonjoe93 (9523 posts) -

Captain Falcon fans had nothing to be worried about. I didn't believe for one second that they would cut any of the original twelve.

#99 Posted by Ballroompirate (22555 posts) -

@Desmonic said:

Wow, 4 characters at once!

As popular as Fire Emblem was/is, I feel it's getting a bit too many characters.

Can never have too many FE characters, specially if they're from FE Awakening.

Robin and Lucina...so excited!!!!! hngggggggh

#100 Edited by jg4xchamp (47306 posts) -

Xeno bro, do you think Shulk could still be a possibility? :(

@jg4xchamp said:

@93BlackHawk93 said:

@freedomfreak said:
@93BlackHawk93 said:

lol no.

Rayman alone is better than the ones announced.

Not to mention they also turned Wonder Red into a trophy, which is sick.

Meh, Lucina and Robin are both better than Wonder Red imo and much popular too. I agree about Rayman though.

If we're talking about every newcomer, then nothing tops Mega Man.

Lucina maybe as a character, the avatar character from Awakening is doo-doo butter beyond being there for someone to go full creep into waifu emblem.

Wonder Red and his game in general has more personality as a whole, and in the context of a fighting game, he'd be better suited than another sword based fire emblem character that's going to play the same way, and a projectile heavy character like Robin.

I was mostly talking about relevancy, in which Wonder Red doesn't have much. But talking from an unique fighter standpoint, he's pretty legit.

Let's be real here. Game and Watch, The Ice Climbers, and Pit (pre the 3ds game doing relatively well) were in Smash Bros. It's not exactly exclusive to Nintendo's most popular games. Freakin Earthbound and Mother 3 characters have been in Smash Bros. Doki Doki trophies, custom robo, that shit with the giants, etc.