Can you win a video games expo with CGI trailer only?

#1 Edited by Salt_The_Fries (8373 posts) -

And what I mean is the main press conference of a company.

Because according to some people here, you can, which I find really absurd. What's more, I don't think it's possible to win a video games expo by showing a game with in-engine (-like) footage with no gameplay either.

@-Damien- said:

While Xbone sales is tanking (77K in May NPD), WiiU is enjoying a renaissance (67K in May NPD) due to MK8. Then Nintendo came out swinging at E3 (although I think Sony still won E3 with Bloodborne) which I think will generate more buzz for WiiU post-E3. Meantime all exclusive rumours for Xbone didn't materialize at E3. Xbone came out limp.

So what are the chances of WiiU outselling Xbone in June? as a playstation gamer, I have to say WiiU starting to look mightily attractive.

#2 Posted by BldgIrsh (1629 posts) -

Obviously you can. Just show an CGI trailer, say how its related to actual gameplay, put an embargo on reviews till the very day of the release, and profit.

#3 Posted by inb4uall (5358 posts) -

Nintendo won hands down.

#4 Posted by lostrib (34582 posts) -

who cares what fanboys think

#5 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1395 posts) -

But wasn't the gameplay of Bloodborne shown at E3? I know it wasn't during Sony's E3 conference, but it was still around I believe during E3.

#6 Edited by lostrib (34582 posts) -

But wasn't the gameplay of Bloodborne shown at E3? I know it wasn't during Sony's E3 conference, but it was still around I believe during E3.

it was shown to the media

#7 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (8373 posts) -

@lostrib said:

who cares what fanboys think

Obviously sane people who want to analyze how their minds work.

#8 Edited by Chutebox (36647 posts) -

Good thing there was Bloodborne gameplay shown.

And this is a sad thread.

To answer the question, no you can't but I also think you can't "win" a freaking expo.

#9 Edited by Salt_The_Fries (8373 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

Good thing there was Bloodborne gameplay shown.

And this is a sad thread.

To answer the question, no you can't but I also think you can't "win" a freaking expo.

You are a sad, sad, trombone :< Like from a Tom Waits album... :(

#10 Posted by Chutebox (36647 posts) -
#11 Posted by lamprey263 (23190 posts) -

well, just knowing that another Tomb Raider is on its way really made me excited, even though they had nothing to show other than the CGI trailer

#12 Posted by Salt_The_Fries (8373 posts) -

A hobo looking songwriter with harsh gravel voice. One of his songs was in Fight Club. Oh he sometimes appears in the movies as well. The last big one for him was Parnassus.

#13 Posted by handssss (1824 posts) -

@lostrib
said:

@StrifeDelivery said:

But wasn't the gameplay of Bloodborne shown at E3? I know it wasn't during Sony's E3 conference, but it was still around I believe during E3.

it was shown to the media

everybody else saw gameplay the same week anyways. may have been a super old build, but people still got hyped.

#14 Posted by PsychoLemons (2044 posts) -

Never judge a book by its cover.

#15 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1395 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@StrifeDelivery said:

But wasn't the gameplay of Bloodborne shown at E3? I know it wasn't during Sony's E3 conference, but it was still around I believe during E3.

it was shown to the media

Sidenote: Seems I'm not getting notifications anymore. Charizard and you have quoted me but I haven't got a notification for them. Strange.

#16 Edited by santoron (7692 posts) -

You'd have a better point if we hadn't already seen gameplay footage before e3. Seeing the trailer and getting more info from interviews during the week merely fleshed out the leak we all already knew about. Since that all happened you're really splitting hairs over old news, IMO.

Not that I agree. Bloodborne looks great, but No Man's Sky was my favorite bit of E3. BB gets an honorable mention along with Sunset Overdrive and the new Rainbow Six.

#17 Edited by Krelian-co (10390 posts) -

@Salt_The_Fries said:

And what I mean is the main press conference of a company.

Because according to some people here, you can, which I find really absurd. What's more, I don't think it's possible to win a video games expo by showing a game with in-engine (-like) footage with no gameplay either.

@-Damien- said:

While Xbone sales is tanking (77K in May NPD), WiiU is enjoying a renaissance (67K in May NPD) due to MK8. Then Nintendo came out swinging at E3 (although I think Sony still won E3 with Bloodborne) which I think will generate more buzz for WiiU post-E3. Meantime all exclusive rumours for Xbone didn't materialize at E3. Xbone came out limp.

So what are the chances of WiiU outselling Xbone in June? as a playstation gamer, I have to say WiiU starting to look mightily attractive.

nintendo>sony>microsoft at e3, is time to accept it and #dealwithit

#18 Edited by Cloud_imperium (2561 posts) -

Witcher 3 won best of E3 last year by showing 45 min real time demo . BTW who cares about what mainstream audience think . They don't know sh*t about real stuff and get excited by seeing flashy pre rendered trailer , and next thing that we know is that it is already a graphics king or platform on which it is going to be on already wins entire generation . Meh .

#19 Edited by MirkoS77 (7168 posts) -

Shit, gameplay trailers no longer guarantee anything given the recent trend of downgrading at the last minute and them running on PCs masquerading as console footage with button prompts present. I've come to the point I don't take any gameplay footage I see as genuine until it's playing on my TV.

#20 Posted by Alcapello (789 posts) -

If it is a trust worthy company such as Sony, or Nintendo proven franchises, then sure.

However, in general, it is better accepted to showing gameplay.

#21 Posted by Jeager_Titan (945 posts) -

lol didn't a mod warn you about creating threads about other users quote's?

#22 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3805 posts) -

Tell me, what 'CGI' trailers do you speak of TC?

#23 Posted by MonsieurX (29548 posts) -

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

#24 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (1385 posts) -

Tell me, what 'CGI' trailers do you speak of TC?

Oh god. Please don't tell you believe Bloodborne's trailer wasn't CG. Specially when there's been gameplay that shows that it doesn't look like that. Unless you mean UC, which i hope you.

As for the thread TC, i have a better question:

can you even win a video game expo? Because from my exprience, "winning" expos is up to each person. As i've said before, i feel Nintendo won. But it actually didn't, because.....they didn't.

#25 Posted by blackace (20289 posts) -
@inb4uall said:

Nintendo won hands down.

I agree, especially after they showed more exclusive games after their Direct Feed conference. If they had announced a price cut, that would have pushed them straight to the top. I thought Microsoft and Sony were pretty even. Sony's 30 mins of TV, Stats and other BS pretty much sank them for me.

#26 Posted by scottpsfan14 (3805 posts) -

@scottpsfan14 said:

Tell me, what 'CGI' trailers do you speak of TC?

Oh god. Please don't tell you believe Bloodborne's trailer wasn't CG. Specially when there's been gameplay that shows that it doesn't look like that. Unless you mean UC, which i hope you.

As for the thread TC, i have a better question:

can you even win a video game expo? Because from my exprience, "winning" expos is up to each person. As i've said before, i feel Nintendo won. But it actually didn't, because.....they didn't.

I know BB trailer was CG. But there has been gameplay shown of BB and it looks great.

#27 Posted by Krelian-co (10390 posts) -

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

like last year halo trailer that only showed master chief and lems were already hyping "teh halo 5" or like 4.0 ryse or like titanfail "teh systam sellar!!!!"?

#28 Posted by sts106mat (19029 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

like last year halo trailer that only showed master chief and lems were already hyping "teh halo 5" or like 4.0 ryse or like titanfail "teh systam sellar!!!!"?

Main series Halo games always meet the hype.

Ryse / Titanfall / Bloodborne, all unproven new IP's

#29 Posted by Krelian-co (10390 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@MonsieurX said:

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

like last year halo trailer that only showed master chief and lems were already hyping "teh halo 5" or like 4.0 ryse or like titanfail "teh systam sellar!!!!"?

Main series Halo games always meet the hype.

Ryse / Titanfall / Bloodborne, all unproven new IP's

not the point, the point is lems or cows will hype anything on their system but the good old lem monsiur (oh wait, he's another i'm not a lem) acts as if only cows did it, well double standards ftw what to expect from lems.

#30 Posted by bobbetybob (19182 posts) -

No, and you also can't win with a game that was already announced/leaked unless you show off some amazing looking gameplay of it.

#31 Edited by alim298 (1212 posts) -

And I LoLed

#32 Edited by Couth_ (10016 posts) -

There was bloodborne gameplay shown as well.. How about the confirmation that the game existed when many lems refused to believe the leaks. The damage control for the game has been off the charts since the initial leak. You lems are absurd. Also, the conferences aren't part of the expo

#33 Edited by sts106mat (19029 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@sts106mat said:

@Krelian-co said:

@MonsieurX said:

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

like last year halo trailer that only showed master chief and lems were already hyping "teh halo 5" or like 4.0 ryse or like titanfail "teh systam sellar!!!!"?

Main series Halo games always meet the hype.

Ryse / Titanfall / Bloodborne, all unproven new IP's

not the point, the point is lems or cows will hype anything on their system but the good old lem monsiur (oh wait, he's another i'm not a lem) acts as if only cows did it, well double standards ftw what to expect from lems.

I both agree and disagree. lems will hype stuff, of course, everyone does. But Cows will literally hype anything up and sometimes it blows up spectacularly. I am going way back now but games like Killzone, Lair, Haze, etc. there have been many others GT5, PSABR etc etc

But then Cows have a right to because they've had some massive hits with games like UC and TLOU.

Monsieurx is probably remembering how much lems were enjoying XBLA games for years with cows laughing and saying "they don't count" or "lol XBLA". Then of course when Journey hit, it was the best thing ever and now Indie games are all of a sudden awesome.

I am super excited to play TLOU, Order 1886 aswell as No Mans Sky and a few others, but Bloodborne.....not seen enough to even pique my interest a little.

A CGI trailer for a new IP (no matter who it's made by) isn't enough to get me anywhere close to fever pitch levels of excitement.

#34 Posted by PAL360 (26721 posts) -

It depends of the anticipation. If The Elder Scrolls VI or Red Dead Redemption 2 were announced at E3 with just a CGI trailer, they would automatically win the expo to me.

#35 Posted by Krelian-co (10390 posts) -

@Krelian-co said:

@sts106mat said:

@Krelian-co said:

@MonsieurX said:

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

like last year halo trailer that only showed master chief and lems were already hyping "teh halo 5" or like 4.0 ryse or like titanfail "teh systam sellar!!!!"?

Main series Halo games always meet the hype.

Ryse / Titanfall / Bloodborne, all unproven new IP's

not the point, the point is lems or cows will hype anything on their system but the good old lem monsiur (oh wait, he's another i'm not a lem) acts as if only cows did it, well double standards ftw what to expect from lems.

I both agree and disagree. lems will hype stuff, of course, everyone does. But Cows will literally hype anything up and sometimes it blows up spectacularly. I am going way back now but games like Killzone, Lair, Haze, etc. there have been many others GT5, PSABR etc etc

But then Cows have a right to because they've had some massive hits with games like UC and TLOU.

Monsieurx is probably remembering how much lems were enjoying XBLA games for years with cows laughing and saying "they don't count" or "lol XBLA". Then of course when Journey hit, it was the best thing ever and now Indie games are all of a sudden awesome.

I am super excited to play TLOU, Order 1886 aswell as No Mans Sky and a few others, but Bloodborne.....not seen enough to even pique my interest a little.

A CGI trailer for a new IP (no matter who it's made by) isn't enough to get me anywhere close to fever pitch levels of excitement.

well i love souls series an i have faith in from software, that's enough to get me excited at least.

#36 Edited by AzatiS (7281 posts) -

Its funny when sheeps talking about CGI being crap and cutscenes being crap and this and that .... then they literally shit their pants with ...an ingame scripted cutscene of Zelda Wii U .... This hypocrisy little sheeps having is out of this world.

Anyways. Bloodborne did show gameplay in E3 , end of story...Except if you think E3 are only some conferences and nothing else , then ...QQ !

#37 Posted by OhSnapitz (18111 posts) -

After the Watch Dogs fiasco.. does it really matter what they show?

..you still might get a shit product.

#38 Edited by Suppaman100 (3777 posts) -

ITT: Lemmings mad that PS4 is getting Bloodborne.

#39 Posted by Heirren (16560 posts) -

I think it depends on the state of things. Generally I'd say no, but isn't bloodborne being done by respected people?

#40 Edited by FoxbatAlpha (6162 posts) -

In the eyes of cows you can win anything based on the over bloated hype. Cows will believe whatever Sony tells them. Sad really.

#41 Posted by Heirren (16560 posts) -

@Cloud_imperium:

That demo actually was a turn off for me. I do think the series is one of the best out there, with an amazing development team, but it didn't look all that impressive.

#42 Edited by GreySeal9 (24110 posts) -

@sts106mat said:

@Krelian-co said:

@sts106mat said:

@Krelian-co said:

@MonsieurX said:

Cows are easily impressed and they'd hype anything so...

like last year halo trailer that only showed master chief and lems were already hyping "teh halo 5" or like 4.0 ryse or like titanfail "teh systam sellar!!!!"?

Main series Halo games always meet the hype.

Ryse / Titanfall / Bloodborne, all unproven new IP's

not the point, the point is lems or cows will hype anything on their system but the good old lem monsiur (oh wait, he's another i'm not a lem) acts as if only cows did it, well double standards ftw what to expect from lems.

I both agree and disagree. lems will hype stuff, of course, everyone does. But Cows will literally hype anything up and sometimes it blows up spectacularly. I am going way back now but games like Killzone, Lair, Haze, etc. there have been many others GT5, PSABR etc etc

But then Cows have a right to because they've had some massive hits with games like UC and TLOU.

Everybody on this board knows deep down in their hearts that cows hype indiscriminately. And like you said, sometimes they hype killer games (UC2, Demon's Souls, TLOU) because they literally hype everything. Part of me is convinced that cows would hype Big Rigs if it was a PS4 exclusive.

Not to say that lemmings are super careful with their hyping: after all, these are the people who hyped Ryse. But there is no hypetrain like a cow hypetrain.

#43 Edited by HalcyonScarlet (4041 posts) -

@inb4uall said:

Nintendo won hands down.

This, but cows think Sony win everything by default.

#44 Posted by AmazonTreeBoa (16745 posts) -

@Salt_The_Fries: Well Skyrim won game of the year while in beta form, so I would say the industry is well within the range of stupidity needed to award a CGI trailer as the winner.

#45 Posted by Telekill (4398 posts) -

@lamprey263: Exactly. Game announcements like Tomb Raider 2 and Uncharted 4 are there to get fans excited for the future of gaming. This is what E3 is about; showing off new stuff and creating excitement.

There aren't really winners for expos. There is excitement and disappointment. That's all. This last E3, there weren't any disappointed camps.

#46 Edited by Shewgenja (8466 posts) -

Ah, a Salt_The _Butthurt thread. Right on schedule.

Riddle me this, riddle me that, where was this outrage when Quantum Break was shown off?