Can Xbox One Really Be This Bad? Yes. And I Know Why.

I actually agree with a lot of what you say! Just not in the particular way you've said it.

"You shouldn't define and judge the whole generation of a console on it's launch."

Agree, but launch is the best time to "wow" people with something they didn't expect, something really different and exciting. We didn't get that from MS (nor did we get it from Sony).

Kinect may not fancy you, but it may fancy others.

Agree! Kinect bothers me because it's not conversational or natural. It's a voice command system that you have to learn how to use, which is how cell phones were more than half a decade ago. It doesn't interpret what you say, you have to be explicit or it just won't work.

Not everybody has the same interests as you, and you shouldn't assume that everyone does.

That's actually one of the cruxes of this entire thread. To have a PRODUCT MANAGER presume that all people will look at a product and miss it once it's gone as a reason to talk about how great Kinect is, is so asinine that I at first had no idea how to respond. Except to say if I were his boss, I'd have had a number of serious discussions (which I described earlier).

Also, what do you expect? Microsoft is marketing the Kinect, you can't have a person working for the company badmouthing it. You want Microsoft to fire the guy, when Microsoft itself wants to sell Kinects?

MS can continue to push Kinect, and it's my hope that the system will get a Cortana upgrade to enjoy a far greater voice command experience that didn't have to be learned, but that would be completely natural.

Again, if I had a product manager who said things like that to me, there would be a series of serious discussions about the direction the console is going in, the motivation for that direction, and how we are confident in the success of that direction. And I'll tell you this -- it's not going to be based on presumptions.

Noone wants to argue against your opinion. You dont like Xbox One or the PS4 for that matter. Good, or bad, for you. People gave you reasons why they like the system they purchased and you turn your nose up. *Shrug*

Lock this.

That's not remotely accurate.

Whats the difference between the Product Manager saying that and Sony telling the world that "Greatness Awaits"?

I dont think that the PS4 has great games but should I be mad at them for advertising that way? Thats rediculous.

Have you taken the time to clear your mind, sit back, and really digest that quote in the OP? I would really urge you to think critically about the differences between marketing hyperbole and the asinine, subconsciously disingenuous rhetoric from an executive.

They truly are very different things.

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not an MS fanboy.

lol you always make me laugh when you come with stuff like this.

@LJS9502_basic said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not going to kiss a moderators arse. I call it like I see it.

I am not an MS fanboy. Just yesterday, I was talking up Sony's VR. Wouldn't be getting excited for other companies tech, or defend Infamous: SS's review if I were a lemming.

Just because I defend a product (XBox One) from FUD and bullshit does not make me a fanboy - and a majority of what Sony fanboys/cows say in this forum are out-and-out lies.

Who are you trying to kid? I don't usually post in SW but I see your posts and you are pro MS.

I can be pro-MS and not be some blind fanboy. I am pro-tech. I defend the XB1 against false comments, and am pro-Xb1 because I recognize how awesome the voice and gesture commands are (and will be in the future).

So, because I am all excited about Sony's VR, does that me I am now a cow? Should I order some utters?

no, you ARE blind fanboy, did you forget the lol worthy excuses you made when xbone was revealed and microsoft presented their terrible gaming policies? No one in their sane mind would support them except for a few blind fanboys that made dumb excuses, among them, you. You are not the "logical fanboy" you want people to think you are, you just excuse microsoft from everything they do be good or bad.

pretty much described what you do 24/7 on these forums, bs and ilogical arguments, too much for hypocrisy lol.

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not an MS fanboy.

lol you always make me laugh when you come with stuff like this.

@LJS9502_basic said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not going to kiss a moderators arse. I call it like I see it.

I am not an MS fanboy. Just yesterday, I was talking up Sony's VR. Wouldn't be getting excited for other companies tech, or defend Infamous: SS's review if I were a lemming.

Just because I defend a product (XBox One) from FUD and bullshit does not make me a fanboy - and a majority of what Sony fanboys/cows say in this forum are out-and-out lies.

Who are you trying to kid? I don't usually post in SW but I see your posts and you are pro MS.

I can be pro-MS and not be some blind fanboy. I am pro-tech. I defend the XB1 against false comments, and am pro-Xb1 because I recognize how awesome the voice and gesture commands are (and will be in the future).

So, because I am all excited about Sony's VR, does that me I am now a cow? Should I order some utters?

no, you ARE blind fanboy, did you forget the lol worthy excuses you made when xbone was revealed and microsoft presented their terrible gaming policies? No one in their sane mind would support them except for a few blind fanboys that made dumb excuses, among them, you.

You are full of crap. I am not a blind fanboy. Terrible gaming policies? What, for used games? Guess what, digital download is the future, and those games are not resell-able.

In fact, I was one of the ones calling for the DOJ to punish Microsoft for anti-trust violations back in the 90s. You don't know a damn thing about me, dude. I defend the XB1 against fanboy bullshit. Usually, you spew bullshit. Hence, I call you out all the time.

Not anytime soon. There are people that prefer physical copies. I don't down load as a rule. I want to own what I purchase.....not rent.

I respect that stance. All I am saying (or was saying) is that MS really wasn't trying to do anything different than what Steam does; and no one seems to boycott steam. The thing that got a lot of people was more the "always on" restriction. I think that was a "too soon" feature. 7-10 years from now, I doubt anyone would care.

in reality, I would venture to gather that most people really don't care when it's presented to them in a different context today. No one, from what I can tell, is complaining that you need to be online to play an MMORPG or TitanFall. I have a lot of friends who have XB1's, and the first thing they do when they turn it on (even when watching TV), is sign in. If every XB1 was connected to the 'Net, MS could leverage cloud computing in single player campaigns in games. Right now, that is kind of out the window.

The quote doesnt rub me the way it does you since I have been able to use the system since launch. If I was on the fence, maybe it would. I just see companies upselling their systems. Its all advertising to me, the real proof is in the pudding.

24 million sales,just sayin.

i wouldn't call 24 million sales 'unresponsive' dude

24 million what? Sales of Kinect? And do you see how much people needed to have it again?

You can tell by how much the PS4 is outselling the Xbox One.

of course, Xbone sales are so bad because of kinect, it wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the PS4 is cheaper and more powerful.

To put the Xbones low sales,which to be honest people are only calling low because it's behind the Ps4, all on the fact that apparently people 'don't want kinect' is totally baseless and you know it.

Did you know that here in the UK the Xbone sold better at launch than the 360 did when it released?

Pot meet kettle

I did know that, because Microsoft made a point to talk about that.

You're also pairing me with conclusions that I did not make. I did not say Kinect was purely responsible for the lagging sales. I'm struggling with distinct lack of critical thinking I've witnessed in this thread. You've actually helped me in a pretty significant way, I'll explain. Please remove yourself and your personal emotions from the equation before responding to this post.

"[Kinect] is really something that we feel, once you take out, lots of people will go, 'Gosh, I really liked that, I got used to it, and I'm going to miss it,'" he said." I think the more consumers get exposed to it, the more they use it, they'll realize what a great, amazing experience it is."

They may think it's a great experience, but not so great that Xbox One consoles are flying off the shelves. People are actively choosing to purchase PS4 first. Let that percolate in your mind before responding.

It's just marketing hyperbole,don't let it get to you, Don't give arrogant people like that the time of day dude.

24 million kinect sold, think about that, people obviously like kinect so i don't see kinect as being the problem with the xbone, i believe the problem is the fact that it's too far from being a dedicated games machine, many console have done more things than playing games, most consoles can play DVD's, music you can browse the internet,etc,etc, But they where games machines FIRST, this is not true of the Xbone, the Xbone is an entertainment hub that also plays games.

I personally enjoy playing kinect but i have no interest in the xbone because it's overpriced for something that isn't a games machine first, i am getting a Wii-U (a truely dedicated games machine) and a Ps4 down the road because A. the Ps4 is cheaper and B. because it's primarily a games machine that does other things.

It would be different if it was coming from a marketing guy. This is coming straight from the mouth of a manager.

Ultimately, if the Xbox One starts selling like crazy and people love Kinect, I'll eat my words -- and gladly. However, at this point, I don't see that as a realistic possibility. Bring something advanced, surprise us with Cortana, which makes the Xbox One more natural and conversational with voice commands, and I will begin to get excited.

The problem is that MS has been working from behind for a long, long time now. A long time. I just don't know how they stay relevant in the consumer space in any meaningful (read: exciting or unexpected) sort of way. It's all compounded by the recommendation to spin off the Xbox brand by their top investors.

I just see a big, sloppy, apathetic mess in Redmond right now across all their products. Windows 8 is a great example of how presumption and expecting people to use something in a certain way will leave the world disillusioned and set a bad precedent going forward.

Those Kinect sales were the same as Wii sales, one and done. Those consumers bought the gimmick, and now that the gimmick as run its course, the product has no appeal. Version 2.0 for $500 doesn't mean anything to that market.

Nintendo was blind to it with the Wii and now Microsoft is blind to it. This is a case of junior executives wanting a successful product so it reflects positively on their careers so they look at the past trends and copy without actually risking anything. It's not working for them.

Kinect isn't worth $500 to people. The only reason Kinect 1.0 sold was because there were already a large install base of Xbox 360s throughout the world so people didn't mind paying an extra $120 for a really neat gimmick.

All of you make bad threads. Most of it is just total BS. Microsoft is already creating their own VR device. Most likely, this will just be another fad like Sixaxis & 3D. Which didn't last long at all. Yes, this thread made by a mod, should be locked by a mod.

as evidenced by the fact that you have double the posts i do amirite?

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not an MS fanboy.

lol you always make me laugh when you come with stuff like this.

@LJS9502_basic said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not going to kiss a moderators arse. I call it like I see it.

I am not an MS fanboy. Just yesterday, I was talking up Sony's VR. Wouldn't be getting excited for other companies tech, or defend Infamous: SS's review if I were a lemming.

Just because I defend a product (XBox One) from FUD and bullshit does not make me a fanboy - and a majority of what Sony fanboys/cows say in this forum are out-and-out lies.

Who are you trying to kid? I don't usually post in SW but I see your posts and you are pro MS.

I can be pro-MS and not be some blind fanboy. I am pro-tech. I defend the XB1 against false comments, and am pro-Xb1 because I recognize how awesome the voice and gesture commands are (and will be in the future).

So, because I am all excited about Sony's VR, does that me I am now a cow? Should I order some utters?

no, you ARE blind fanboy, did you forget the lol worthy excuses you made when xbone was revealed and microsoft presented their terrible gaming policies? No one in their sane mind would support them except for a few blind fanboys that made dumb excuses, among them, you.

You are full of crap. I am not a blind fanboy. Terrible gaming policies? What, for used games? Guess what, digital download is the future, and those games are not resell-able.

In fact, I was one of the ones calling for the DOJ to punish Microsoft for anti-trust violations back in the 90s. You don't know a damn thing about me, dude. I defend the XB1 against fanboy bullshit. Usually, you spew bullshit. Hence, I call you out all the time.

call you out? man that dream world you live in, you always make yourself look like a clown, which coincidentally fits with your avatar. You can spin it all you want though with the you are not a lem, you just "defend" xbox, fact is microsoft showed one of the worst gaming policies at the xbone reveal and you made dumb excuses for it, not only for digital and used games but for the permanent internet connection and so on.,

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not an MS fanboy.

lol you always make me laugh when you come with stuff like this.

@LJS9502_basic said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not going to kiss a moderators arse. I call it like I see it.

I am not an MS fanboy. Just yesterday, I was talking up Sony's VR. Wouldn't be getting excited for other companies tech, or defend Infamous: SS's review if I were a lemming.

Just because I defend a product (XBox One) from FUD and bullshit does not make me a fanboy - and a majority of what Sony fanboys/cows say in this forum are out-and-out lies.

Who are you trying to kid? I don't usually post in SW but I see your posts and you are pro MS.

I can be pro-MS and not be some blind fanboy. I am pro-tech. I defend the XB1 against false comments, and am pro-Xb1 because I recognize how awesome the voice and gesture commands are (and will be in the future).

So, because I am all excited about Sony's VR, does that me I am now a cow? Should I order some utters?

no, you ARE blind fanboy, did you forget the lol worthy excuses you made when xbone was revealed and microsoft presented their terrible gaming policies? No one in their sane mind would support them except for a few blind fanboys that made dumb excuses, among them, you.

You are full of crap. I am not a blind fanboy. Terrible gaming policies? What, for used games? Guess what, digital download is the future, and those games are not resell-able.

In fact, I was one of the ones calling for the DOJ to punish Microsoft for anti-trust violations back in the 90s. You don't know a damn thing about me, dude. I defend the XB1 against fanboy bullshit. Usually, you spew bullshit. Hence, I call you out all the time.

call you out? man that dream world you live in, you always make yourself look like a clown, which coincidentally fits with your avatar. You can spin it all you want though with the you are not a lem, you just "defend" xbox, fact is microsoft showed one of the worst gaming policies at the xbone reveal and you made dumb excuses for it, not only for digital and used games but for the permanent internet connection and so on.,

A clown? Whatever. From my perspective, all I do is point out ridiculous comments from people like you. I show you how your comments are fallacious at best, ludicrous at worst. Forgive me for being rude, but I believe I'm a few rungs higher on the intelligence ladder than you. So, you can call me whatever you want because I honestly do not care one iota what you think of me.

Kinect is a big problem for MS in general. Core gamers don't like it much at all, and they don't like the fact MS shifted focus to it in the latter years of 360. So yeah, the $500 price tag thanks to Kinect 2.0 is a big reason why PS4 has even been outselling XB1 in North America, where 360 consistently outsold PS3. It's so bad MS is selling XB1 "bundles" that really are just a discounted XB1 with TitanFall thrown in for free.

I think another problem is this whole "its a marathon, not a sprint" quote recently from a MS exec. Well, Sony proved to be the better marathon runner last gen. They wiped out a year head start and huge lead for 360 and ended up passing 360 before PS4 launched.

MS is making the same mistakes in the library as last gen too. They started off last gen throwing money around for timed exclusives. They got Mass Effect and Bioshock long before anyone knew they would be out on PS3. Now here is TitanFall, but its also coming out on 360 (2nd highest in pre-orders on Amazon right now). But we also now know that EA has no plans to keep TitanFall 2 on just MS platforms.

MS needs to acquire more first party studios and up the quality there. Halo, Forza, and Gears have in general run their course. They arent going to keep people anymore. Not with all the new IPs coming out from Sony, and the continued success of all these multiplatform games like COD and BF. We have Watchdogs and Destiny on the horizon too.

Without haptic feedback, Kinect is actually immersion breaking.

Unfortunately for MS, that's not an easy riddle to solve.

should rename this thread 'lems meltdown central', lems be trippin yoo!!

let me guess, eyetoy 2.0 isnt a gimmick right?

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Krelian-co said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not an MS fanboy.

lol you always make me laugh when you come with stuff like this.

@LJS9502_basic said:

@StormyJoe said:

@Sagemode87 said:

@StormyJoe: You better tread carefully before your ass gets banned. Don't worry, we won't miss you lol. Also, how does him disliking MS business tactics mean he's a fanboy? They're not listening to the customer and you defend them? MS deserves fanboys like you.

I am not going to kiss a moderators arse. I call it like I see it.

I am not an MS fanboy. Just yesterday, I was talking up Sony's VR. Wouldn't be getting excited for other companies tech, or defend Infamous: SS's review if I were a lemming.

Just because I defend a product (XBox One) from FUD and bullshit does not make me a fanboy - and a majority of what Sony fanboys/cows say in this forum are out-and-out lies.

Who are you trying to kid? I don't usually post in SW but I see your posts and you are pro MS.

I can be pro-MS and not be some blind fanboy. I am pro-tech. I defend the XB1 against false comments, and am pro-Xb1 because I recognize how awesome the voice and gesture commands are (and will be in the future).

So, because I am all excited about Sony's VR, does that me I am now a cow? Should I order some utters?

no, you ARE blind fanboy, did you forget the lol worthy excuses you made when xbone was revealed and microsoft presented their terrible gaming policies? No one in their sane mind would support them except for a few blind fanboys that made dumb excuses, among them, you.

You are full of crap. I am not a blind fanboy. Terrible gaming policies? What, for used games? Guess what, digital download is the future, and those games are not resell-able.

In fact, I was one of the ones calling for the DOJ to punish Microsoft for anti-trust violations back in the 90s. You don't know a damn thing about me, dude. I defend the XB1 against fanboy bullshit. Usually, you spew bullshit. Hence, I call you out all the time.

call you out? man that dream world you live in, you always make yourself look like a clown, which coincidentally fits with your avatar. You can spin it all you want though with the you are not a lem, you just "defend" xbox, fact is microsoft showed one of the worst gaming policies at the xbone reveal and you made dumb excuses for it, not only for digital and used games but for the permanent internet connection and so on.,

A clown? Whatever. From my perspective, all I do is point out ridiculous comments from people like you. I show you how your comments are fallacious at best, ludicrous at worst. Forgive me for being rude, but I believe I'm a few rungs higher on the intelligence ladder than you. So, you can call me whatever you want because I honestly do not care one iota what you think of me.

it's ok many dumb people want to think they are smarter than they are, you are a good example of someone who thinks he's smarter than what people see they are.

I refuse to buy an Xbox One until they decide to release one without Kinect bundled with it. If I bought an Xbox One right now I wouldn't even use Kinect, so why should I play extra for the sake of something I don't want?

You shouldn't, but my question is why go around telling people who don't care, about a device you don't like, why you won't be buying it?

These type of threads are the same ones that we saw last gen about LIVE. 'I am not going to buy a 36o cause I am not paying to play online.' To all of you 'core gamers' you are not who The One is marketed to exclusively. This whole thread is full of whine by people who don't like Kinect. It is quite funny really.

Correct! And Everything they tried to pull until Sony embaressed them and the gaming world freaked out on them also haunts them. The latter will wear off over time, but Kinect never will.

Well, how about this. I would like to own an Xbox One at one point, but I don't want Kinect. As a consumer, a consumer who Microsoft aims their product at, and as a consumer who has supported the Xbox brand since day one, I have every right to go around on any forum related to Microsoft and/or the Xbox One and make my own point heart. My question to you would be "If you don't care about what I said then why the hell did you even reply to me?" Because, in answering me, you clearly must care about what I said to some extent. I don't care about Kinect purely because I don't think it is any good, and if I am forced by Microsoft to buy one alongside an Xbox One I have every right, as both a consumer and a gamer who has supported the Xbox since day one, to complain about it. I shouldn't have to pay extra for a console purely because it comes with a peripheral that I neither like nor want. Microsoft's insistence on bundling Kinect with every console is ultimately making me avoid the console, and unless they make a package without Kinect I'll just buy a pre-owned version of the console in a few years, when the prices go down, which means Microsoft will earn no money from the sale. And if this happens it will only be from Microsoft's own doing.

The ps4 is just as underpowered

The kinect will be a good thing for vr

that said the kinect will probably be used on a pc lol

It shouldn't be locked because intelligent people will say that ps4 is just as weak as an xboxone in the end. The only upside xboxone has is that microsoft also makes windows and they have an excellent vr device the kinect.

Anyone that buys a console now is fooled , especially a ps4, the hardware is 5 year old tech. The xboxone does have an good advantage with the kinect and they can do more with the cloud that the ps4 will and if that doesn't work they can just sell it to work with steam machines and pc's. People that bought an xboxone will already have a kinect. VR will conquer the market, and the way we play now will be like 2d games today. You'll still have something good in it like mortal kombat for example and numerous arcade games, but it will be old tech and that tech will be played on these so called next gen consoles.

Many people buy gossip magazines too, that doesn't mean it's good liturature lol

Of all the most rudimentary PR I've ever read, that's the one you labeled as a brand killer?

They'll still earn money from the sale because you'll be buying games for it, even buy xboxlive

I don't want the kinect either, as of now, but I think I will want it when VR takes off. All depends , i have my pc which is pretty good so I'm not really bothered. There aren't any games on the xboxone or the pc now (that are multiplat) that I would like to play either. Same with playstation.

I'm playing dayz now and games from my backlog. I'm also waiting for dark souls on the pc. Cross gen is always a bad time for games, but dark souls will be next gen on the pc.

I don't think microsoft really cares, they're too big for it. The founder bill gates is giving away money.

But microsoft knows its business, look at the x360. The kinect will be the best thing ever happened for vr and vr will be the best thing ever happened for games.

People may be buying ps4's now en masse because there aren't really any games, some multiplats and a couple of exclusives but they do run in a lot better quality. That's why the ps4 sells, they had good marketing with their system (it's stronger, allthough not as much that people thought, that's great marketing), it's cheap (400$ for a new console is cheap in this day and age) and most importantly people were dying for a next gen console. That it is not really next gen no one care, it runs the game in better quality.

Vr will take off, but the consoles will be crap at running it, this will be the nineties all over again, when you got the 3d accelerated card for the pc. Consoles will just trail behind.

LOL at people in this thread. I have to say out of all the scumbags on this board TC is one of my least favorites because he's a troll with mod powers.

What he is not though, is an xbox hater. Get your facts straight guys.

Living the dream

Kinect created hell for PS4 owners wonder why?

Thanks, kind of. Voicing unpopular opinions with evidence to support the position is hardly trolling, though. One day that will sink in.

lol, truly made me laugh out loud.

Why can't we flag mods anymore?

because we'd all get modded like crazy all the time. duuuh! :P

Microsoft is to focused on the wrong direction. It's like the other extreme of where Nintendo is, which is no focus at all.

Yes, and has been known to moderate people with differing opinions.

really?