Can we talk about the ending of TLOU? (spoilers)

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#51 Posted by Ratchet_Fan8 (5550 posts) -

at first i was also disappointed by just the "Okay" Ending. Literally

But then i replayed the game and noticied how ND did the story,for example,they cut out the Joels progression of sara dying by just skipping to 20 Years later.They cut the "loss" part where Henry and Sam are killed.WHy ? because ND know they would take away the experience,because they know they couldnt handel it and pace would significantly slow down if it showed the progression.So they cut the parts they were weak at ,leaving it to us for imagination

#52 Edited by finalstar2007 (25116 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@mems_1224 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

And Joel doesn't want to sacrifice someone he cares for for a chance.

I may have thought he was a jackass at first, perhaps for good reasons. But I was totally on Joels side in the last mission.

You say it's for his own selfish reasons he saved Ellie, because he already lost a daughter. But I say he did it for her, he got to know her during the course of the game and he had grown fond of her. He thinks her life is worth way more than that of any one else a possible cure could've saved. You can call that bad and crazy but I totally agree with Joel.

If he did it for her then he wouldn't have lied to her about what happened. Even he knows he's in the wrong.

But... if he acted completely selfish than he would've let them kill Ellie. Because finding a cure would've provided a better life for him.

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

#53 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@mems_1224 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

And Joel doesn't want to sacrifice someone he cares for for a chance.

I may have thought he was a jackass at first, perhaps for good reasons. But I was totally on Joels side in the last mission.

You say it's for his own selfish reasons he saved Ellie, because he already lost a daughter. But I say he did it for her, he got to know her during the course of the game and he had grown fond of her. He thinks her life is worth way more than that of any one else a possible cure could've saved. You can call that bad and crazy but I totally agree with Joel.

If he did it for her then he wouldn't have lied to her about what happened. Even he knows he's in the wrong.

But... if he acted completely selfish than he would've let them kill Ellie. Because finding a cure would've provided a better life for him.

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

If the infection can't find new hosts it will eventually die out.

#54 Posted by lostrib (36277 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k said:

@mems_1224 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

And Joel doesn't want to sacrifice someone he cares for for a chance.

I may have thought he was a jackass at first, perhaps for good reasons. But I was totally on Joels side in the last mission.

You say it's for his own selfish reasons he saved Ellie, because he already lost a daughter. But I say he did it for her, he got to know her during the course of the game and he had grown fond of her. He thinks her life is worth way more than that of any one else a possible cure could've saved. You can call that bad and crazy but I totally agree with Joel.

If he did it for her then he wouldn't have lied to her about what happened. Even he knows he's in the wrong.

But... if he acted completely selfish than he would've let them kill Ellie. Because finding a cure would've provided a better life for him.

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

I think Joel was of the mindset that Humanity was so far gone that the Fireflies crusade was pointless.

#55 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@finalstar2007 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

But... if he acted completely selfish than he would've let them kill Ellie. Because finding a cure would've provided a better life for him.

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

I think Joel was of the mindset that Humanity was so far gone that the Fireflies crusade was pointless.

So then why even "save" Ellie? He dooms her into growing up in a horrible world, with no hope, where she's either going to be savagely murdered by infected or savagely raped and murdered by hunters.

#56 Edited by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

@lostrib: no that's not it. he wasn't going to lose another daughter. that's the one and only driving force behind the reason why he did what he did.

you can really pick out who are parents, and who aren't, by the way they interpret Joel's actions.

#57 Posted by NoTrolling (97 posts) -

The Last of Us story can only be enjoyed by mature, intelligent adults.

Anyone who can't appreciate this beauty is a butthurt, low IQ 26-year-old turd living with his parents.

#58 Posted by clyde46 (46046 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@finalstar2007 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

But... if he acted completely selfish than he would've let them kill Ellie. Because finding a cure would've provided a better life for him.

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

I think Joel was of the mindset that Humanity was so far gone that the Fireflies crusade was pointless.

So then why even "save" Ellie? He dooms her into growing up in a horrible world, with no hope, where she's either going to be savagely murdered by infected or savagely raped and murdered by hunters.

At the very end you saw them heading to that Town his brother helped build....

#59 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16498 posts) -

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

A cure could give the survivors a bigger chance. But you are right. Nobody knew what a cure would do, nobody knew if there could even be a cure.

There was a chance, and Joel didn't want to risk losing Ellie over a chance.

@lostrib said:

I think Joel was of the mindset that Humanity was so far gone that the Fireflies crusade was pointless.

Could be yeah. At the beginning of the game a cure sounds very tempting.

But with all the events of the game in mind, all the different factions just being complete monsters in order to survive, what is left saving ?

I completely agree with Joel that saving this one innocent girl outweighs saving humanity.

But it seems like we are discussing more than the game's plot here in this thread, we are discussing our own morality. Which is great :D

So then why even "save" Ellie? He dooms her into growing up in a horrible world, with no hope, where she's either going to be savagely murdered by infected or savagely raped and murdered by hunters.

At the end of the game he doesn't drop her off at a bunch of cannibal rapists though. He takes her to a place that is safe for now, the camp of his brother.

#60 Edited by finalstar2007 (25116 posts) -
@mems_1224 said:

@finalstar2007 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

@mems_1224 said:

@R4gn4r0k said:

And Joel doesn't want to sacrifice someone he cares for for a chance.

I may have thought he was a jackass at first, perhaps for good reasons. But I was totally on Joels side in the last mission.

You say it's for his own selfish reasons he saved Ellie, because he already lost a daughter. But I say he did it for her, he got to know her during the course of the game and he had grown fond of her. He thinks her life is worth way more than that of any one else a possible cure could've saved. You can call that bad and crazy but I totally agree with Joel.

If he did it for her then he wouldn't have lied to her about what happened. Even he knows he's in the wrong.

But... if he acted completely selfish than he would've let them kill Ellie. Because finding a cure would've provided a better life for him.

I dont think a cure would have helped anyone much i mean seriously so assuming they got a cure and then what?? whats next? a cure isnt going to kill all clickers and magically make all humans cured from getting infected, even with the cure the clickers and the infected already ( those who turned ) are still there in the wild so once humans are imune to the infection it dosent mean they are saved, they still cant move around to get food due to clickers attacking them and killing them.. there is no such thing as a "better life" with the cure to be honest.. yes the cure will make those who have it imune to getting infected but that dosent mean they wont be killed because of clickers attacking them, a bite of course will not matter after being imune but i those who cant fight will die still due to the clickers.. humanity wont be saved until every single clicker is gone.

If the infection can't find new hosts it will eventually die out.

If we're talking about 10 clickers then sure but seeing how the whole world been infected then its probably millions of millions who already been infected and fully turned, may take 100 years is not more for all to eventually die out .. this is the same issue with the walking dead.. i mean ok if they find a cure that dosent mean everyone are officially saved, it just means now they are imune but the zombies/infected will still attack till the human is dead, there is no freedom in going from one area to another and its even worse when the infected are a group.. the hosts will eventually die thats true that that may take 100+ years if not more ( since those infected cant even get old as their already dead ).

i keep thinking what Joel did was the best option available, with Ellie alive she can effect those around her and make them good therefore a bunch of good caring humans can make an entire city blocked with walls to save the humans ( similar to attack on titans ).

but yeah the more i think about it the more i think a cure dosent mean thats it humanity is officially saved, what will save humanity is a pure heart human, a human that no matter what will never harm another human and that what Ellie is.

#61 Posted by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: don't even bother. he's just mad that none of his Halo games ranked as high or receive as much critical acclaim as the last of us

#62 Posted by seanmcloughlin (38216 posts) -

Loved the ending. It's exactly what you'd expect the characters to do after getting to know them all game.

#63 Posted by lostrib (36277 posts) -

@lostrib: no that's not it. he wasn't going to lose another daughter. that's the one and only driving force behind the reason why he did what he did.

you can really pick out who are parents, and who aren't, by the way they interpret Joel's actions.

since you're using the reply feature, I have no idea what you're responding to

#64 Posted by lostrib (36277 posts) -

The Last of Us story can only be enjoyed by mature, intelligent adults.

Anyone who can't appreciate this beauty is a butthurt, low IQ 26-year-old turd living with his parents.

^very mature

#65 Edited by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

@lostrib:

The @lostrib didn't clue you in? That's pretty say, bro.

#66 Posted by lostrib (36277 posts) -

@lostrib:

The @lostrib didn't clue you in? That's pretty say, bro.

That tells me you're responding to me. It does not tell me which of my statements you are responding to as there are many in this thread.

You simply said ,"no that's not it." What is "that"?

#68 Posted by lostrib (36277 posts) -

As you can see, you can really tell which people are above the age of 25 and which people aren't just by reading their take on Joel's actions.

Lemmings are man-children. They'd rather run around the house with a towel behind their backs than philosophize about human motive.

Now go on, lemming. It's time to play Halo and pretend that you were destined to save the universe. F*cking immature snots. How could anyone above the age of 13 play Halo without thinking the storyline is so cheesy, corny and childish? I've never gotten so embarrassed in my life than when I played Halo 2, 3 and 4. It's like a 40-year-old man watching Dragon Tales by himself.

Dude, if you want to rant about fanboys then go take it some place else.

People are trying to have an actual discussion about TLOU ending, all the SW fanboy bullshit really isn't needed

#69 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16498 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: don't even bother. he's just mad that none of his Halo games ranked as high or receive as much critical acclaim as the last of us

As you can see, you can really tell which people are above the age of 25 and which people aren't just by reading their take on Joel's actions.

Lemmings are man-children. They'd rather run around the house with a towel behind their backs than philosophize about human motive.

Now go on, lemming. It's time to play Halo and pretend that you were destined to save the universe. F*cking immature snots. How could anyone above the age of 13 play Halo without thinking the storyline is so cheesy, corny and childish? I've never gotten so embarrassed in my life than when I played Halo 2, 3 and 4. It's like a 40-year-old man watching Dragon Tales by himself.

I disagree. People can have different opinions about the story and characters.

It's fun to find out what people's take is. If everyone thought the same way about the plot, it would be very boring.

#70 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@clyde46 said:

@mems_1224 said:

So then why even "save" Ellie? He dooms her into growing up in a horrible world, with no hope, where she's either going to be savagely murdered by infected or savagely raped and murdered by hunters.

At the very end you saw them heading to that Town his brother helped build....

And how long is that place going to be safe? They get attacked by hunters as soon as Joel gets there.

#71 Edited by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

@lostrib: there's no quote button that shows up when viewing on my galaxy, so don't know what to tell you.

I was referring to the comment you made about Joel's decision. About him not thinking humanity was worth saving

Kinda thought it was pretty obvious what I was responding to.

#72 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

If the infection can't find new hosts it will eventually die out.

If we're talking about 10 clickers then sure but seeing how the whole world been infected then its probably millions of millions who already been infected and fully turned, may take 100 years is not more for all to eventually die out .. this is the same issue with the walking dead.. i mean ok if they find a cure that dosent mean everyone are officially saved, it just means now they are imune but the zombies/infected will still attack till the human is dead, there is no freedom in going from one area to another and its even worse when the infected are a group.. the hosts will eventually die thats true that that may take 100+ years if not more ( since those infected cant even get old as their already dead ).

i keep thinking what Joel did was the best option available, with Ellie alive she can effect those around her and make them good therefore a bunch of good caring humans can make an entire city blocked with walls to save the humans ( similar to attack on titans ).

but yeah the more i think about it the more i think a cure dosent mean thats it humanity is officially saved, what will save humanity is a pure heart human, a human that no matter what will never harm another human and that what Ellie is.

Wiping out the virus after 100 years seems like a better alternative to humanity being wiped out in 50. Now that Joel took away humanity's last chance their extinction is all but certain.

#73 Edited by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

@mems_1224: do you have inside knowledge, from naughty dog, discussing what life was like, a at tommys community, after Joel and ellie returned there?

#74 Edited by lostrib (36277 posts) -

@lostrib: there's no quote button that shows up when viewing on my galaxy, sothinking don't know what to tell you.

I was referring to the comment you made about Joel's decision. About him not thinking humanity was worth saving

Kinda thought it was pretty obvious what I was responding to.

I was confused, because I already said before that Joel was not willing to lose his daughter again.

Someone made a comment about how even if they found the cure that it might not be overly effective, and I was saying that Joel seems to be of similar mindset

#76 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@mems_1224: do you have inside knowledge, from naughty dog, discussing what life was like, a at tommys community, after Joel and ellie returned there?

Im not talking about that. Im talking about the level you play where they're attacked as soon as Joel arrives. Now that they have the power up and running that place is a giant target to everyone.

#77 Posted by lostrib (36277 posts) -

@mems_1224 said:

@finalstar2007 said:
@mems_1224 said:

If the infection can't find new hosts it will eventually die out.

If we're talking about 10 clickers then sure but seeing how the whole world been infected then its probably millions of millions who already been infected and fully turned, may take 100 years is not more for all to eventually die out .. this is the same issue with the walking dead.. i mean ok if they find a cure that dosent mean everyone are officially saved, it just means now they are imune but the zombies/infected will still attack till the human is dead, there is no freedom in going from one area to another and its even worse when the infected are a group.. the hosts will eventually die thats true that that may take 100+ years if not more ( since those infected cant even get old as their already dead ).

i keep thinking what Joel did was the best option available, with Ellie alive she can effect those around her and make them good therefore a bunch of good caring humans can make an entire city blocked with walls to save the humans ( similar to attack on titans ).

but yeah the more i think about it the more i think a cure dosent mean thats it humanity is officially saved, what will save humanity is a pure heart human, a human that no matter what will never harm another human and that what Ellie is.

Wiping out the virus after 100 years seems like a better alternative to humanity being wiped out in 50. Now that Joel took away humanity's last chance their extinction is all but certain.

So?

Maybe humanity deserves to be extinct. How many "good" people have you seen so far in your play? 0. Everyone in that game is a jackass.

There

is

nothing

to

save.

Get that through your immature, Halo-loving skull.

Is it possible for you to engage in legitimate discussion without acting like a complete asshole?

#78 Posted by NoTrolling (97 posts) -

@xboxdone74 said:

@mems_1224: do you have inside knowledge, from naughty dog, discussing what life was like, a at tommys community, after Joel and ellie returned there?

Im not talking about that. Im talking about the level you play where they're attacked as soon as Joel arrives. Now that they have the power up and running that place is a giant target to everyone.

Yeah, and all empires fall. I don't see anyone proclaiming the end of humanity just because Rome fell.

#79 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@notrolling said:

So?

Maybe humanity deserves to be extinct. How many "good" people have you seen so far in your play? 0. Everyone in that game is a jackass.

There

is

nothing

to

save.

Get that through your immature, Halo-loving skull.

Is it possible for you to engage in legitimate discussion without acting like a complete asshole?

Let the baby have his bottle. Just let him sit there in a corner yelling at nothing.

#80 Posted by NoTrolling (97 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@notrolling said:

@mems_1224 said:

@finalstar2007 said:
@mems_1224 said:

If the infection can't find new hosts it will eventually die out.

If we're talking about 10 clickers then sure but seeing how the whole world been infected then its probably millions of millions who already been infected and fully turned, may take 100 years is not more for all to eventually die out .. this is the same issue with the walking dead.. i mean ok if they find a cure that dosent mean everyone are officially saved, it just means now they are imune but the zombies/infected will still attack till the human is dead, there is no freedom in going from one area to another and its even worse when the infected are a group.. the hosts will eventually die thats true that that may take 100+ years if not more ( since those infected cant even get old as their already dead ).

i keep thinking what Joel did was the best option available, with Ellie alive she can effect those around her and make them good therefore a bunch of good caring humans can make an entire city blocked with walls to save the humans ( similar to attack on titans ).

but yeah the more i think about it the more i think a cure dosent mean thats it humanity is officially saved, what will save humanity is a pure heart human, a human that no matter what will never harm another human and that what Ellie is.

Wiping out the virus after 100 years seems like a better alternative to humanity being wiped out in 50. Now that Joel took away humanity's last chance their extinction is all but certain.

So?

Maybe humanity deserves to be extinct. How many "good" people have you seen so far in your play? 0. Everyone in that game is a jackass.

There

is

nothing

to

save.

Get that through your immature, Halo-loving skull.

Is it possible for you to engage in legitimate discussion without acting like a complete asshole?

Don't blame me. Blame mems for only seeing things like a 6-year-old. Must be why he likes Xbox exclusives.

#81 Edited by lostrib (36277 posts) -

@notrolling said:

@lostrib said:

Is it possible for you to engage in legitimate discussion without acting like a complete asshole?

Don't blame me. Blame mems for only seeing things like a 6-year-old. Must be why he likes Xbox exclusives.

He is engaging in a legitimate line of discussion. You are just name calling because you disagree and acting like a jackass

This is one of those moments where I wish I was a mod

#82 Posted by NoTrolling (97 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@notrolling said:

@lostrib said:

@notrolling said:

@mems_1224 said:

@finalstar2007 said:
@mems_1224 said:

If the infection can't find new hosts it will eventually die out.

If we're talking about 10 clickers then sure but seeing how the whole world been infected then its probably millions of millions who already been infected and fully turned, may take 100 years is not more for all to eventually die out .. this is the same issue with the walking dead.. i mean ok if they find a cure that dosent mean everyone are officially saved, it just means now they are imune but the zombies/infected will still attack till the human is dead, there is no freedom in going from one area to another and its even worse when the infected are a group.. the hosts will eventually die thats true that that may take 100+ years if not more ( since those infected cant even get old as their already dead ).

i keep thinking what Joel did was the best option available, with Ellie alive she can effect those around her and make them good therefore a bunch of good caring humans can make an entire city blocked with walls to save the humans ( similar to attack on titans ).

but yeah the more i think about it the more i think a cure dosent mean thats it humanity is officially saved, what will save humanity is a pure heart human, a human that no matter what will never harm another human and that what Ellie is.

Wiping out the virus after 100 years seems like a better alternative to humanity being wiped out in 50. Now that Joel took away humanity's last chance their extinction is all but certain.

So?

Maybe humanity deserves to be extinct. How many "good" people have you seen so far in your play? 0. Everyone in that game is a jackass.

There

is

nothing

to

save.

Get that through your immature, Halo-loving skull.

Is it possible for you to engage in legitimate discussion without acting like a complete asshole?

Don't blame me. Blame mems for only seeing things like a 6-year-old. Must be why he likes Xbox exclusives.

He is engaging in a legitimate line of discussion. You are just name calling because you disagree and acting like a jackass

Sometimes, opinions are so stupid that they shouldn't be taken seriously.

Mems' argument is in-line with what many 6-12 year-old would say about the ending. They only think with the "saving more people = good" mindset and are incapable of considering other variables.

#83 Posted by Joedgabe (5111 posts) -

I thought the end was fair. This game from the beginning let you know these are not nice people trying to save the world. I mean did you see that woman she mercilessly blew the other guy's head of with no remorse. These people are not to be joked with and are the survivors of a cruel world. Through out the game you see how cruel everyone is and these are the only survivors. There was no certainty that they was going to get the cure.So i see this as a more realistic ending than rather a depressing happy one were everyone is sad and happy.

#84 Edited by princeofshapeir (13996 posts) -

I liked the ending a lot. It's very consistent with the sequence of events and the character development for Joel and Ellie throughout the game. I wouldn't have expected Joel to sacrifice Ellie at that point to the Fireflies, as the game makes a very strong effort to tell the player that humanity is no longer worth saving. The real bad guys you face are human, not infected; Joel's daughter was murdered by a human, not the infected. Ignoring the reality of extracting a cure from Ellie (the practicality of being able to disseminate it over the globe, whether or not the Fireflies would freely distribute it, or whether a vaccine could even be mass produced to begin with), the ending leaves you exploring very deep themes of morality. Undoubtedly the best story-driven game I played last year.

#85 Edited by Ballroompirate (22793 posts) -

Honestly the ending/last half for TLOU is probably one of my fav endings/last half of a game to date. All throughout TLOU we see Joel a man with little humanity left go from a man only caring about himself and a few others (Tess and his brother) to a guardian who's willing to do anything for Ellie and become her "Father".

There were a few moments I thought Joel was gonna die, specially in the Colorado Chapter, then you see him being nursed by Ellie who's now Joels "temporary guardian" and you see what those two are willing to do for each other.

Honestly I'm glad TLOU didn't end like how Mass Effect 3 ended....now that is a crappy ending.

#86 Edited by FlamesOfGrey (7509 posts) -

The ending was great. Joel is not a hero and never acted that way throughout the entire game. From the time he started and then continued to escort Ellie it was never about the cure. First it was to get the weapons back, then it was to honor the dying wish of Tess and finally because Ellie wanted to go all the way. Joel lost his faith in humanity from the death of his daughter and the years of surviving he had to do. Ellie finally got him to open up and care about someone on a deeper level and he wasn't going to let her die. Not to mention the Fireflies weren't some amazing group of rebels with 100% pure intentions. They were bombing areas at the beginning of the game for instance. Who knows what they would have done with the cure or if it was too late for humanity to even completely come back from it. As for lying to Ellie, she isn't stupid and I believe she knew he was lying but accepted it. Only thing I had a slight problem with was how open ended it was however, that just may have been done for a potential sequel.

#88 Posted by cainetao11 (17423 posts) -

Honestly the ending/last half for TLOU is probably one of my fav endings/last half of a game to date. All throughout TLOU we see Joel a man with little humanity left go from a man only caring about himself and a few others (Tess and his brother) to a guardian who's willing to do anything for Ellie and become her "Father".

There were a few moments I thought Joel was gonna die, specially in the Colorado Chapter, then you see him being nursed by Ellie who's now Joels "temporary guardian" and you see what those two are willing to do for each other.

Honestly I'm glad TLOU didn't end like how Mass Effect 3 ended....now that is a crappy ending.

Yeah those were some of the things I really enjoyed about the Joel character. The journey and change. I never understood the reviewer not liking him. Maybe at first, but the change and growth wasn't evident?

#89 Posted by Chutebox (37067 posts) -

I liked the ending a lot as it's not the same shit you get from all other games. I did dislike Joel a bit after he shot the black chick again, killing her. I was hoping for some compassion and mercy, but he showed none.

#90 Edited by NoTrolling (97 posts) -

@princeofshapeir said:

I liked the ending a lot. It's very consistent with the sequence of events and the character development for Joel and Ellie throughout the game. I wouldn't have expected Joel to sacrifice Ellie at that point to the Fireflies, as the game makes a very strong effort to tell the player that humanity is no longer worth saving. The real bad guys you face are human, not infected; Joel's daughter was murdered by a human, not the infected. Ignoring the reality of extracting a cure from Ellie (the practicality of being able to disseminate it over the globe, whether or not the Fireflies would freely distribute it, or whether a vaccine could even be mass produced to begin with), the ending leaves you exploring very deep themes of morality. Undoubtedly the best story-driven game I played last year.

Excellent analysis.

See, lostfool, this is a mature, well-though analysis. Seeing you defend a lazy argument like "more people saved = good" shows that you are just as bad as mems, who is one of the biggest tools on this board and his foolishness is only matched by RR360DD.

#91 Edited by Ballroompirate (22793 posts) -

@Ballroompirate said:

Honestly the ending/last half for TLOU is probably one of my fav endings/last half of a game to date. All throughout TLOU we see Joel a man with little humanity left go from a man only caring about himself and a few others (Tess and his brother) to a guardian who's willing to do anything for Ellie and become her "Father".

There were a few moments I thought Joel was gonna die, specially in the Colorado Chapter, then you see him being nursed by Ellie who's now Joels "temporary guardian" and you see what those two are willing to do for each other.

Honestly I'm glad TLOU didn't end like how Mass Effect 3 ended....now that is a crappy ending.

Yeah those were some of the things I really enjoyed about the Joel character. The journey and change. I never understood the reviewer not liking him. Maybe at first, but the change and growth wasn't evident?

Mcshyt thought he was a "scumbag" from the start, then the whole idea he thought Joel was the worst character ever in a video game or movie was just absurd. Also he scored the DLC higher than TLOU which was just...the dude seriously needs to stop trolling.

#92 Posted by Ballroompirate (22793 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

I liked the ending a lot as it's not the same shit you get from all other games. I did dislike Joel a bit after he shot the black chick again, killing her. I was hoping for some compassion and mercy, but he showed none.

There's a reason why he did that, he wanted to stop the Fireflies from coming after Ellie in the future.

#93 Posted by cainetao11 (17423 posts) -

@Ballroompirate:

Actually, I score the DLC higher as well. I love Left Behind. TLOU was great I say 8.5 but the DLC is 9.0 imo.

#94 Posted by Chutebox (37067 posts) -

@Chutebox said:

I liked the ending a lot as it's not the same shit you get from all other games. I did dislike Joel a bit after he shot the black chick again, killing her. I was hoping for some compassion and mercy, but he showed none.

There's a reason why he did that, he wanted to stop the Fireflies from coming after Ellie in the future.

Ya, I know. I still didn't like it haha

#95 Edited by Obviously_Right (5093 posts) -

I thought the ending was excellent, not what I expected at all.

He chooses to save Ellie because he can't bear to lose another child, in doing so he dooms the Human Race to extinction.

While that may seem horribly selfish, you spend the entire game battling against violent humans and infected, its almost like the game is saying " look at all these people trying to kill you, are they worth saving?"

Can't wait for the sequel on PS4.

#96 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@Ballroompirate said:

Honestly the ending/last half for TLOU is probably one of my fav endings/last half of a game to date. All throughout TLOU we see Joel a man with little humanity left go from a man only caring about himself and a few others (Tess and his brother) to a guardian who's willing to do anything for Ellie and become her "Father".

There were a few moments I thought Joel was gonna die, specially in the Colorado Chapter, then you see him being nursed by Ellie who's now Joels "temporary guardian" and you see what those two are willing to do for each other.

Honestly I'm glad TLOU didn't end like how Mass Effect 3 ended....now that is a crappy ending.

Yeah those were some of the things I really enjoyed about the Joel character. The journey and change. I never understood the reviewer not liking him. Maybe at first, but the change and growth wasn't evident?

I can understand not liking Joel as a person because he is a shitty person.

#97 Posted by cainetao11 (17423 posts) -

@mems_1224:

That was my point by saying at first. But that's the good part of the character writing, imo. The change he goes through.

#98 Posted by NoTrolling (97 posts) -

@mems_1224:

That was my point by saying at first. But that's the good part of the character writing, imo. The change he goes through.

Don't bother. Mems' brain hasn't developed enough to think in a sophisticated manner.

#99 Posted by mems_1224 (47027 posts) -

@mems_1224:

That was my point by saying at first. But that's the good part of the character writing, imo. The change he goes through.

He is a great character and he does change but one thing that doesn't change throughout is his shittiness. He's a horrible person all the way through.

#100 Posted by Shewgenja (8907 posts) -

@cainetao11 said:

@mems_1224:

That was my point by saying at first. But that's the good part of the character writing, imo. The change he goes through.

He is a great character and he does change but one thing that doesn't change throughout is his shittiness. He's a horrible person all the way through.

His only reason to be a good person was dead in the first minutes of the game.