Can Final Fantasy 15's new PS4 Pro patch hit 60fps? No.

I am surprised how Sony continues to drop the ball nearly every day now. The PS Pro seems to be the biggest disappointment in gaming, ever. WTF? 720pStation 30fps Pro

Do you all agree that the PS Pro was released too early?

Just prior to the release of Final Fantasy 15, Square-Enix teased an update that would enable faster frame-rates when playing the game on a PlayStation 4 Pro. Now, three months later, version 1.05 is finally available, promising enhanced performance up to 60fps. But does the final result actually match the target frame-rate - and have the title's troublesome frame-pacing issues in its 1800p/4K mode received any attention at all?

Prior to the arrival of this patch, users were presented with two options - lite and high. The former drops the presentation to 1080p resolution while delivering a smooth, stable 30 frames per second. This mode on PS4 Pro was our recommended way to play Final Fantasy 15 due to its consistency - the fact that, by and large, it produced a properly frame-paced 30fps. The high mode bumps the resolution up to 1800p using checkerboarding, and introduced enhanced visual features but consistent frame-pacing wasn't enforced, leading to a very jerky game in motion.

With 1.05 installed, the lite and high modes are still the choices available, but in adding a new, higher frame-rate mode, our only route to play FF15 with consistent frame-pacing is gone. Lite mode essentially unlocks the frame-rate, but performance doesn't reach anything like the mooted 60fps,averaging at around 45fps instead. Meanwhile, the high mode is the same as it ever was - the visuals are beautiful, but the consistency in the 30fps update is really poor. Frame-pacing definitely has not been fixed. It's a bit of a Hobson's choice then: in terms of performance, your options boil down to a highly variable unlocked frame-rate, or else a locked 30fps with inconsistent frame delivery, leading to a very jerky experience.

What's clear is that Final Fantasy 15's core engine design is tailored for a 30fps experience on current-gen console platforms - the actual 30fps mode for PS4 Pro gives the illusion of running at a lower frame-rate owing to the frame-pacing issues, while the lite mode's attempts to target 60fps full way short of the required performance level. In some ways, patch 1.05 actually feels like a retrograde step as opposed to a desirable upgrade.

At this point, both the Xbox One and standard PlayStation 4 now provide a smoother experience. PS4 still exhibits minor frame-pacing issues but the problem is less pronounced than the Pro's flagship high mode. Xbox One uses an adaptive v-sync solution that produces completely smooth frame-pacing throughout, leading to a stable experience. There is additional slowdown on Xbox One and a lower resolution overall, but at this point, Microsoft's system still provides the most consistent frame-rate.

Square-Enix has been receptive to user feedback during the game's development so there is hope here. If the frame-pacing errors can be eliminated when using the high mode, for example, the alternative unlocked frame-rate option would make a lot more sense. Conceivably, using the same adaptive v-sync solution that we see on Xbox One could eliminate the frame-pacing issues entirely.

Another option that could improve matters would involve giving users the choice between a capped or uncapped frame-rate, something that could work on either mode. Such an option would hopefully please everyone. Unfortunately, as it stands, the PS4 Pro is no longer our recommended way to play Final Fantasy 15. If you're looking for the most consistent experience, Xbox One and the standard PlayStation 4 are your best bets for now. Patch 1.05 for PlayStation 4 Pro is one update that we wish we could uninstall.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-can-final-fantasy-15-hit-60fps-on-ps4-pro

So Sony bought Square and Final fantasy damn i didn't know that.

No, the released they under powered PS Pro that does games at 720p and less than 60fps.

Another quality post from you Kvally..... Why you havent been banned long ago, I have no idea... Anyway as Tormentos is saying, you can hardly blame Sony for Squares crappy engine?

I would believe that to be the case had Sony not had problems with their own published game reaching that performance.

BTW, why don't you ever criticize others for their "quality" posts? I see quite a few on the front page that could use that comment. Why have you chosen not to comment? (never mind...we know!)

Sony didn't want everyone to go PC in the first place is which is why the Pro came to existence, Sony doesn't want you to switch to PC. And since I was smart enough to keep my launch PS4, I actually had a PC long ago before PS4 arrive.

That could be the case. But all these games, including Sony published games, are performing poorly on the PS Pro. As another developer said, the CPU and GPU is the bottleneck. Yet Sony fans want to blame the developers? Even when Sony is having the same issues on their own machine? Seems like the console is a FUBAR.

The differences with power will be noticeable day one when Scorpio is out. Sony PS4 pro is struggling with 1080p 60fps games! Its funny looking back the PS4 was the console that was tagged as being able to do 1080p 60frame games no problem haha. Two consoles later still struggling.

Well MS release the xbox one at FOUR HUNDRED AND NOVENTA Y NUEVE DOLLARS and it runs games at 480p and i don't see you crying.

Hahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

I am Thumbmentos and i approve this reply..

Yet Xbone runs games in 480p so keep crying and stay butthurt

@tormentos said:

@kvally said:

@tormentos said:

So Sony bought Square and Final fantasy damn i didn't know that.

No, the released they under powered PS Pro that does games at 720p and less than 60fps.

Well MS release the xbox one at FOUR HUNDRED AND NOVENTA Y NUEVE DOLLARS and it runs games at 480p and i don't see you crying.

Hahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

I am Thumbmentos and i approve this replay..

Damm i miss Torment, by far the greatest game ever made imo...

Majority of xbox one first party games are 900/1080p 60 frames, check your facts at the door.

Hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

@tormentos said:

@kvally said:

@tormentos said:

So Sony bought Square and Final fantasy damn i didn't know that.

No, the released they under powered PS Pro that does games at 720p and less than 60fps.

Well MS release the xbox one at FOUR HUNDRED AND NOVENTA Y NUEVE DOLLARS and it runs games at 480p and i don't see you crying.

Hahahaahaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

I am Thumbmentos and i approve this reply..

Oh, I am crying! I never even bothered to by Titanfall 2. 480p, LOL...get the **** out...what a joke. This gen is so underpowered, its not even funny. Last night I just finished playing TLOU on my PS Pro....1080p and 60fps locked baby!!!! It was awesome!

This thread delivers

They released it just in time, with the right amount of power and with the right amount and quality of games to create a momentum that will render the xbone AND Flopio irrelevant. It will be glorious when Flopio fails to sell as the xbone has and M$ is obliged to go full on service mode and discontinue their console. Thank you Sony.

Will Scalebound hit 1fps on the X1s or Scorpio?

Square should have focused on getting rid of that damn jittery framepacing instead of this. Bethesda also ****** up their PRO patch.

Edit: OH and where is 4.50 and my boost mode?!

I am wondering the same thing. I wasn't able to get on the beta :(

@Epak_: it just hit beta 3 for me so it should be sometime early March

Yo dog, i heard you needed a patch to make your game run better. So i made you a patch to make it run worst. Your welcome.

@kvally it sucks that you're good at this...

You gotta be used to 30fps or less if you are console gamer, what else new under the sun?

Only reason PS4 Pro was released is because the VR.

It's Sony's fault SE under delivers? Good thread!

Heh, it's just the usuals biting and creating the same, redundant posts.

but it works lol. This could turn into a 3-5 page thread.

@Chutebox: it's Sonys fault the PS Pro under delivers.

Could? lol

Bank on that shit!

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Why on earth would this game need to be played at 60fps?

this shit is pretty funny unless you love playstation.

its about final fantasy 15 patch.

@kvally: seems like you're hellbent on shitting on the superior product that is the PS4. Im not sure why though? I thought you were a manticore?

The PS4 pro has already delivered the best looking games of this generation. UC4 and HZD. It's clear to see when developers optimize for the hardware how amazing the results can be.

Are it able to point out any games for the Xbox one that can rival those two games? Technically it would be impossible since the bone is inferior in every way. I'll wait.

@pdogg93: I haven't played Horizon Zero Dawn yet as the preorder hasn't unlocked on my PS Pro yet. How did you get early access. We will wait for your reply.

Tomb Taider Rise of the Tomb Raider on Xbox One, PS4 and PS Pro as well as Ryse on Xbox One look better than Uncharted 4.

You seem hell bent on shitting on the Xbox which is a superior product.

I love owning and playing them all. It's a win win.

Nah it's more like trolling for shit and giggles or it's just some butthurt lemming's alt trying to sound neutral / manticore.

Best way to deal with this type of a poster is to simply ignore their posts.

@Sollet: good idea I will ignore him

I'm going to join you on this. Hahahahah.

Forza motorsport is 1080p 60 frames Halo is 900/1080p 60 frames and Gears is 1080p 60 frames.

How many FPS at what resolution is FFXV on XBone?

Worringly, you say 'majority' of exclusives, then proceed to name 3. If that's the majority of xbox one exclusives, I think you got more to worry about bud.

The game was already a mess but with this latest patch they turned it up to 11. On high setting the game has the annoying frame-pacing issue and now on lite it's all jittery/judder... The people working on this game... What the hell are they thinking? Are they blind? Are they clueless? What is wrong with these people?

What do you expect from a half-arsed console like the Pro...

@Shewgenja: well we know the fps on the Xbox are better than the PS Pro. Sadly.

While we're talking about ps4 games reaching 60fps and get 9/10 left and right. The Xbone is left in the cold with nothing to look forward to but to replace the damn console at the end of 2017. Sad.

@kvally: Having crappy CPU requires additional optimisations work. Running XBO version on Scorpio should minimise dynamic scaling.

If a PS4 game was budgeted for 1.6 Ghz CPU at 30 hz, then at 60 hz, it may need 2X the CPU power i.e. 2X GPU command list and 2X skeletal 3D dots being generated.

PS4 Pro vs PS4

GPU: 2.3X

Memory Bandwidth:1.7X

CPU:1.3X For PS4 Pro, unrestricted frame rate hovering around 40 fps indicates CPU bound i.e. 30 fps x 1.3X = 39 fps

It's not 100 percent 2X scale. IF a game hits CPU bound event, it down to 1.3X. IF a game hits memory bandwidth bound event, it down to 1.7X. Tactics to avoid these lower bound areas would be to minimise CPU and memory bandwidth usage.

1.8 Ghz Ryzen would be enough, but additional head room would be nicer.

Must be opposite day, lol. That was a good one.

Meanwhile Xbone is playing Sniper Elite at 18 fps lol.