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#1  Edited By Shielder7
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The British government has decriminalized online video game, music and movie piracy.

Software piracy is more often than not a service issue - wherein pirates provide a better (or, in some cases, the only) service than legitimate outlets. Furthermore, singling out random people who pirate and dumping massive fines on them isn't really helping the problem, as the British government has found out. Starting in 2015 in Britain, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken.

This new anti-piracy measure has been dubbed the "Voluntary Copyright Alert Programme" (VCAP) and is the result of years of talks between ISPs, British politicians and the movie and music industries. Geoff Taylor, chief executive of music trade body the BPI, said VCAP was about "persuading the persuadable, such as parents who do not know what is going on with their net connection."

He added: "VCAP is not about denying access to the internet. It's about changing attitudes and raising awareness so people can make the right choice." VCAP replaces some much harsher planned regulations, which included cutting the internet connections of persistent file-shares, and fines.

The British government will still strive to close and stem funding to file-sharing sites, but from the looks of things, the days of going after individual users with massive fines are over.

Figures recently published by Ofcom said that nearly a quarter of all UK downlaods were of pirated content.

Source: VG24/7

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brb going britain

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#3  Edited By CrownKingArthur
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i think that's quite progressive.

nice one shielder, nice one.

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#4 commonfate
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something something used game sales are the devil and only starving third-world country kids are pirates.

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PC gamers have found a new home.

just joking

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#6  Edited By SolidTy
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I don't pirate movies, music, or games...but it's an interesting approach they are trying over there.

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@Shielder7 said:

Starting in 2015 in Britain, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken.

....wat?

Why even bother warning them if you aren't going to do anything?

The entire concept of a warning is to let them know that action will be taken if they persist.

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#9  Edited By Krelian-co
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@SolidTy said:

I don't pirate movies, music, or games...but it's an interesting approach they are trying over there.

are you going to tell me you never downloaded a song or movie?

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uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

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HonestTy

eh. just looks like i spelled honesty incorrectly.

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@ghostwarrior786 said:

uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

And get bent over by the MPAA? No thanks. Time to fire up those VPN's boys.

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#13  Edited By JangoWuzHere
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@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

Well that didn't last long. America had to be involved in this thread somehow.

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#14  Edited By ButDuuude
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@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

I see it as a step backwards (the new piracy policy). You guys get free health care, but have to wait a long time to get it. Here in the US it's faster but too expensive. I was charged $4,000 dollars once and all the doctor did was tell me do buy tylenol...

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@JangoWuzHere said:

@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

Well that didn't last long. America has to be involved in this thread somehow.

They have to go up against the ISP's which will drag their feet over this.

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Nice. Belgium's next. I can feel it.

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#17 clyde46
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TC is wrong!

http://torrentfreak.com/the-uk-did-not-just-decriminalize-file-sharing-140723/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Torrentfreak+%28Torrentfreak%29

All it took yesterday was a single article to trigger off a tidal wave of copycat reports across dozens of sites including the mainstream RT.com. Just to be absolutely clear - Britain HAS NOT decriminalized file-sharing and to suggest otherwise only puts people at unnecessary risk. File-sharing remains ILLEGAL in the UK, guaranteed.

From next year people in the UK can download and share whatever they like. Movies, music and video games. You name it – it’s a free-for-all download bonanza with zero consequences other than four friendly letters asking people to try Netflix and Spotify.

In fact, the UK government has even gone as far as decriminalizing online copyright infringement entirely, despite risking the wrath of every intellectual property owner in the land.

That was the message doing the rounds yesterday in the media, starting on VG247 and going on to overload Reddit and dozens of other sites. Even Russia’s RT.com got in on the fun.

Except it’s not fun at all. It’s completely untrue on countless levels and to suggest otherwise puts people at risk. Let’s be absolutely clear here. Copyright infringement, whether that’s on file-sharing networks or elsewhere, is ILLEGAL in the UK. Nothing, repeat NOTHING, has changed.

As detailed in our previous article, VCAP is a voluntary (that’s the ‘V’ part) agreement between some rightsholders and a few ISPs to send some informational letters to people observed infringing copyright.

This means that the mainstream music labels and the major Hollywood studios will soon have an extra option to reach out to UK Internet users. However, whenever they want to – today, tomorrow or next year – any of the copyright holders involved in VCAP can still file a lawsuit or seek police action against ANYONE engaged in illegal file-sharing – FACT.

What makes the original VG247 report even more inaccurate is its headline: “Britain just decriminalised online game piracy.” If we’re still laboring under the illusion that VCAP is somehow the reason behind the government’s “decriminalization” of piracy, understand this – video game companies are not even part of the VCAP program.

Worst still, the biggest financial punishment ever ordered by a UK court was a default judgment in 2008 issued to – wait for it – a person who illegally file-shared a single video game. The case was a farce, but the judgment stands and the law on which it was based has not changed. There is nothing stopping any video game company from doing this again once VCAP starts, properly this time.

But why stop at video games? Porn companies/trolls aren’t involved in the VCAP scheme either and any of those could head off to court to obtain the identities of people they want to sue. It’s happening in the UK. There’s a VCAP-style scheme in the United States too, often referred to as “six strikes”, and that has done nothing to stop companies like Malibu Media filing lawsuits almost every day.

Voluntary agreements avoid the complication of changing the law, that’s their entire point. They offer helpful mechanisms that the law does not already provide. For example, UK ISPs are not expressly required to forward infringement notices to users under current law, yet VCAP means that some rightsholders, not all, will get that ‘right’.

So which other sectors are not involved in VCAP so therefore cannot rely on the assistance it provides? Well, thousands of smaller record labels and film companies for a start. They tend to be outside the walls of the BPI and MPA so do not enjoy the fruits of their lobbying. While these smaller outfits tend to stay away from litigation, they could soon have fresh options.

Piracy monetization firm Rightscorp works with many smaller companies and has recently indicated an interest in the UK. “We are getting a great reception from everyone we have spoken to [in the UK],” the company’s Robert Steele said in May. Whether Rightscorp will be able to pull this off is an entirely different matter, but since file-sharing of copyrighted material remains illegal in the UK, the company has a chance.

The other issue is how the VCAP warnings will be presented to alleged infringers. While they have a focus on education, it would be incredible if they contained the text “The UK has just decriminalized file-sharing, that’s why we have sent you this letter.” It would be even more amazing if the ISPs agreed to pass them on if file-sharing was no longer an offense.

While no laws have been changed, in some instances it’s probably fair to say that VCAP will make it less likely that people will be pursued by the major record labels and movie studios in the UK. It doesn’t eliminate the threat, however.

Try this. Head off to your local Odeon, Showcase or UCI this coming weekend, set up a camcorder, and see if you can get a really sweet copy of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. Begin uploading this to The Pirate Bay and while it’s seeding send an email to the Federation Against Copyright Theft containing your personal details.

VCAP friendly letter incoming or a police raid? Yeah, thought so.

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Good I suppose.

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#19  Edited By CrownKingArthur
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@ButDuuude said:

@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

I see it as a step backwards (the new piracy policy). You guys get free health care, but have to wait a long time to get it. Here in the US it's faster but too expensive. I was charged $4,000 dollars once and all the doctor did was tell me do buy tylenol...

why do you see the new piracy policy of Britain as a step backwards?

i am genuinely interested in your perspective.

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#20  Edited By parkurtommo
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Meh, legal or not, it's a moral issue. You shouldn't worry about being caught, you should worry about the fact that you are getting something for free that others voluntarily pay for (to support the creator).

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aw

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The UK Did *NOT* Just Decriminalize File-Sharing

What to believe ^^.

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@clyde46 said:

TC is wrong!

Is he ever right?

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@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

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#25  Edited By SolidTy
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@Krelian-co said:

@SolidTy said:

I don't pirate movies, music, or games...but it's an interesting approach they are trying over there.

are you going to tell me you never downloaded a song or movie?

That is correct sir. I have gone to hundreds of concerts and enjoy the feeling of a physical CD that I can put my concert ticket into. Movies, nope. I am a big audio visual guy so I jump on DVD when that was new and have been doing Blu-Ray since that was new. I like Features like director's commentary, 7.1 lossless surround, actor's commentary, featurettes, deleted scenes, alternate openings and endings, etc. You can't get the same kind of experience with stealing/pirating movies and I would much rather go all the way than bother with burning this and that for a lower quality experience. I don't judge others that do, whatever they do is up to them. It's just how I live my life. I actually love going to a few local music stores and they have fantastic deals on new and used CDs, which I prefer. I get home and burn my music from disc (transfer them) to my phone, computer, or whatever. I never got into iTunes, never needed it. I don't buy digital music unless it comes free with the physical album (which sometimes happens.)

I am old-school in that way I guess, plus piracy just doesn't sit well with me for other reasons. Trust me, I had this conversation dozens of times before here at GS since 2005, I know I'm apparently one in thousand or whatever. I'm from a different generation. Sorry it seemed to disturb you.

Now back to your scheduled programming:

Previously on SW...

Leonard McCoy: Are you out of your Vulcan mind? No human can tolerate the radiation that's in there! It's System Wars!
Spock: As you are so fond of observing, Doctor, I am not human. I can withstand System Wars.
McCoy:[grabs Spock by the shoulder] You're not going in there!
Spock: Perhaps you're right. What is Mr. Scott's condition?
McCoy: Well, I don't think he's --
Spock:[nerve pinches McCoy] Sorry, Doctor, but I have no time to discuss this logically. [grabs Scotty's gloves and mind melds with McCoy]Remember the classics. Remember Zork.
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@edwardecl said:

The UK Did *NOT* Just Decriminalize File-Sharing

What to believe ^^.

i think that makes sense, or at least I think I've made sense of this.

Does my interpretation seem right? - it's decriminalised from the goverment's perspective, but a copyright holder could bring a private prosecution against a copyright infringer.

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@CrownKingArthur said:
@ButDuuude said:

@farrell2k said:

First health care, and now piracy laws. Man, the English do everything smarter and better than Americans.

I see it as a step backwards (the new piracy policy). You guys get free health care, but have to wait a long time to get it. Here in the US it's faster but too expensive. I was charged $4,000 dollars once and all the doctor did was tell me do buy tylenol...

why do you see the new piracy policy of Britain as a step backwards?

i am genuinely interested in your perspective.

Copyright infringement.

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And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

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HonestTy

eh. just looks like i spelled honesty incorrectly.

lol. I have nothing but a table.

Accept this instead.

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@Krelian-co said:

@SolidTy said:

I don't pirate movies, music, or games...but it's an interesting approach they are trying over there.

are you going to tell me you never downloaded a song or movie?

I don't know about him, but other than mess around with a few retro "ROM's" of NES/SNES games, I have never pirated an actual game or feature film. It doesn't seem that odd to me.

Now songs are different. Napster got me hooked back in the day. So I can't say I never downloaded music, but honestly, I almost don't believe anyone that says they never downloaded music through Napster. Unless they were like 4 years old at the time.

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@edwardecl said:

And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

By the nature of torrents, you are always uploading.

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@edwardecl said:

And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

so im safe, god bless the brave uploaders

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

And get bent over by the MPAA? No thanks. Time to fire up those VPN's boys.

the what

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@2Chalupas said:

@Krelian-co said:

@SolidTy said:

I don't pirate movies, music, or games...but it's an interesting approach they are trying over there.

are you going to tell me you never downloaded a song or movie?

I don't know about him, but other than mess around with a few retro "ROM's" of NES/SNES games, I have never pirated an actual game or feature film. It doesn't seem that odd to me.

Now songs are different. Napster got me hooked back in the day. So I can't say I never downloaded music, but honestly, I almost don't believe anyone that says they never downloaded music through Napster. Unless they were like 4 years old at the time.

WinMX was always better... but I borrow pretty much everything before deciding to buy it or not. And for high quality music it's your only option in most cases.

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#34  Edited By Shielder7
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@CrownKingArthur said:

i think that's quite progressive.

nice one shielder, nice one.

Thank you

@Sword-Demon said:

@Shielder7 said:

Starting in 2015 in Britain, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken.

....wat?

Why even bother warning them if you aren't going to do anything?

The entire concept of a warning is to let them know that action will be taken if they persist.

Obviously to tell you you're being bad if you didn't know that you were being bad.

@bldgirsh said:

@clyde46 said:

TC is wrong!

Is he ever right?

TC never wrote any of it he found this on The Escapist and decided to share.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/136326-Britain-Decriminalizes-Video-Game-Piracy

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@SolidTy: that is so awesome. i've never owned a table before.

thank you for your honesty honestty.

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@ghostwarrior786 said:
@edwardecl said:

And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

so im safe, god bless the brave uploaders

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

And get bent over by the MPAA? No thanks. Time to fire up those VPN's boys.

the what

Get a VPN because if you are using torrents then you are always uploading.

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@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:
@edwardecl said:

And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

so im safe, god bless the brave uploaders

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

And get bent over by the MPAA? No thanks. Time to fire up those VPN's boys.

the what

Get a VPN because if you are using torrents then you are always uploading.

This is true even if you chose not to seed you're seeding while you download.

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@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:
@edwardecl said:

And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

so im safe, god bless the brave uploaders

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

And get bent over by the MPAA? No thanks. Time to fire up those VPN's boys.

the what

Get a VPN because if you are using torrents then you are always uploading.

ah ok i will look into what a vpn is

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@ghostwarrior786 said:

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:
@edwardecl said:

And it's only illegal if you get caught... and downloading was never illegal, only uploading.

so im safe, god bless the brave uploaders

@clyde46 said:

@ghostwarrior786 said:

uk leading humanity forward once again, the barbarians aka yanks, would do well to learn from us

And get bent over by the MPAA? No thanks. Time to fire up those VPN's boys.

the what

Get a VPN because if you are using torrents then you are always uploading.

ah ok i will look into what a vpn is

http://torrentfreak.com/which-vpn-services-take-your-anonymity-seriously-2014-edition-140315/

http://torrentfreak.com/make-bittorrent-transfers-anonymous-with-btguard-100419/

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#40  Edited By deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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@edwardecl said:

The UK Did *NOT* Just Decriminalize File-Sharing

What to believe ^^.

This, it just means ISPs can't do jack shit bar send you letters which is good as there'd been threats they'd bring in throttling your service previously.

The content creators could still go after like record companies you but i think only a hand full of people who download have ever been taken to court.

Still a fairly big stance to effectively say the issue is too large for us to handle so we're just going to leave it.

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#41 uninspiredcup
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Piracy laws are too lenient For people it's an entitlement and lifestyle. You get all this bullshit with the PB dickheads "oh oh oh, freedoms, evil companies" when what they are really saying is "oh oh oh, free shit".

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I love pirating...............in Assassins Creed IV

Seriously, i think it is up to the content makers to come up with better ways to combat or discourage piracy. Going after a few people only worsens the problem IMO.

With so many things going digital, it is impossible to fight piracy. Even making games online only only hurts legit gamers as pirates will find a way to patch it every time.

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@navyguy21 said:

I love pirating...............in Assassins Creed IV

The twist at the end is very much what made this sentence.

Quite the roller-coaster.

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#44 ReadingRainbow4
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Good.

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#45 TrappedInABox91
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When does it come to Canada? Or is it already here? I don't fucking know... As far as I know we never cared.

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#46 PapaTrop
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It's good that they've acknowledged that piracy isn't simply "stealing" as most people seem to believe.

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#47 clyde46
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@papatrop said:

It's good that they've acknowledged that piracy isn't simply "stealing" as most people seem to believe.

No, it just means that the government has washed their hands of this. Its now down to anti-copyright dorks to file lawsuits to take people to court as its always been....

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#48 trugs26
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@Sword-Demon said:

@Shielder7 said:

Starting in 2015 in Britain, persistent file-sharers will be sent four warning letters explaining their actions are illegal, but if the notes are ignored no further action will be taken.

....wat?

Why even bother warning them if you aren't going to do anything?

The entire concept of a warning is to let them know that action will be taken if they persist.

Not necessarily. For example, I can warn my friend that they shouldn't steal, but I'm not going to necessarily dob them in or do anything about it. It's a warning on an ethical level.

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#49 Shielder7
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@papatrop said:

It's good that they've acknowledged that piracy isn't simply "stealing" as most people seem to believe.

Maybe it is maybe it isn't, but it will effect PC gaming it could easly pring more people to PC gaming as it did with the PS1 and PS 2 knowing it's going to get real easy to get free games, but it might also drive away developers like it did with the PsP.

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#50  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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Sensationalism at it's best.

There's a difference between calling out an idea or plan for not working and "decriminalizing" piracy.

They're trying out new ways, obviously if the older system actually worked it would have made a difference. This is actually more than what they did before, they barely had a system in place before that made a difference, this is the first time they're going to start calling people out.

VG24/7 Cementing their 'lol' status.