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[QUOTE="EPaul"]

Dude explains himself people are still bashing him lol

Just wait to play the game yourself then you can bash the review thats what i did for his Infamous 2 review.

ActionRemix

Yea i want to hear some of the posters in SW impressions to see if Tom was trolling or not

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="EPaul"]

Dude explains himself people are still bashing him lol

Just wait to play the game yourself then you can bash the review thats what i did for his Infamous 2 review.

EPaul

Yea i want to hear some of the posters in SW impressions to see if Tom was trolling or not

"When I swing and it doesn't register, or I point toward the screen but Link looks at the ground, I get angry. Nintendo usually sets the standard for controls, so I'm shocked they would release a game in this state."

That's all I needed to know. Let's just say I disagree.

I would say McShea had becomed the most disliked person in the GS community.

LOL death of gufu article. Funny stuff.

I still struggle to believe that Gamespot rated Skyward Sword the same score as other certain Wii games, like the oh-so-classic MySims Racing, Star Wars: Force Unleashed 2, Deadly Creatures, Madagascar 2, G-Force (yes, the one with the hampsters), Thrillville: Off the Rails, Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07, and a LESSER score than Sonic & the Secret Rings. Really... they're telling me that Sonic & the Secret Rings, a game Sega outright said they were embarrassed about and discontinued, is a BETTER game than Skyward Sword?

But, fine. Give it whatever score you want... but reading that he's upset that a Zelda game doesn't play like the NES game from 25 years ago, that was so open-ended, is ridiculous. You want to play a game like that? Play SKYRIM. That's the type of game that you asked for! By his logic, A Link to the Past was a terrible game for requiring a certain dungeon order too.

And this is totally nitpicking, but, once again, he didn't play the controls right. You do NOT, I repeat, do NOT have to point at the TV to recenter and recalibrate the Wii Motion Plus controller. In fact, the Wii Sensor isn't even needed AT ALL. Tom mentions repeatedly how much he "flailed" the Wii remote too to win certain battles... something that every interview I've read about the game discourages and instead encouraged calm, calculated, specific strikes where appropriate instead of being a waggle fest... which it sounds like Tom did (by his own admission in the review).

Though I'd like to hear back and see if I'm wrong or misreading that.

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="emirblade"]

I just can't wait to read user reviews to see if this game is the real deal or not.

ActionRemix

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Those seem to cancel themselves out on Gamespot. I tend to agree more with user ratings than the actual review. Overwhelmingly trolls on Metacritic, of course.ActionRemix

You can't have both freedom to do the dungeons in whatever order and good dungeon design, because otherwise the dungeons would need to be designed so that anyone, whatever items they had, could get through it and they would either be a complete mess (seven ways to pass each room! Bomb, hookshot or boomerang your way to victory!) or dull and repetetive, where anyone could get through, even without gear. And if Ninty stuck to good design, and made it so that certain dungeons could be completed only with specific gear, people would complain because they went halfway through a dungeon only to find that they couldn't get any further.

You can't have both freedom to do the dungeons in whatever order and good dungeon design, because otherwise the dungeons would need to be designed so that anyone, whatever items they had, could get through it and they would either be a complete mess (seven ways to pass each room! Bomb, hookshot or boomerang your way to victory!) or dull and repetetive, where anyone could get through, even without gear. And if Ninty stuck to good design, and made it so that certain dungeons could be completed only with specific gear, people would complain because they went halfway through a dungeon only to find that they couldn't get any further.

EddyPee

[QUOTE="EddyPee"]

You can't have both freedom to do the dungeons in whatever order and good dungeon design, because otherwise the dungeons would need to be designed so that anyone, whatever items they had, could get through it and they would either be a complete mess (seven ways to pass each room! Bomb, hookshot or boomerang your way to victory!) or dull and repetetive, where anyone could get through, even without gear. And if Ninty stuck to good design, and made it so that certain dungeons could be completed only with specific gear, people would complain because they went halfway through a dungeon only to find that they couldn't get any further.

BrunoBRS

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="EddyPee"]

You can't have both freedom to do the dungeons in whatever order and good dungeon design, because otherwise the dungeons would need to be designed so that anyone, whatever items they had, could get through it and they would either be a complete mess (seven ways to pass each room! Bomb, hookshot or boomerang your way to victory!) or dull and repetetive, where anyone could get through, even without gear. And if Ninty stuck to good design, and made it so that certain dungeons could be completed only with specific gear, people would complain because they went halfway through a dungeon only to find that they couldn't get any further.

ActionRemix

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]My dream dungeon involves groundhog day/Majora's Mask time travel that changes the dungeon as time progresses.BrunoBRS

This score is just ridiculous. I don't know how else to describe it. The entire rating system breaks down when you are willing to give crappy games an 8.0, but genuinely great games a 7.5 under the guise that this still means very good. Mario land was a travesty too. Bad gyroscopic features? Poppycock! Poppycock everywhere.

I want a game be it Zelda or anything that takes cues from Banjo Tooie where worlds and levels aren't just there own but sometimes doing things in another area effects what you can do in another.

Maybe a dungeon that uses water to keep the plants growing in certain areas or others won't flow and you'd be stuck, but there are pipes that run from the water temple, that's really a provider to certain towns and other areas is having problems so you have to go to certain temples and doing different things will have an outcome in different ways. Can't proceed in a sun temple because there it's been burried or need to figure out how to get sun exposure to the temple, stuff like that.

This score is just ridiculous. I don't know how else to describe it. The entire rating system breaks down when you are willing to give crappy games an 8.0, but genuinely great games a 7.5 under the guise that this still means very good. Mario land was a travesty too. Bad gyroscopic features? ****! **** everywhere.

EntropyWins

Let's keep it G Rated, pal! :o

:P

[QUOTE="EddyPee"]

You can't have both freedom to do the dungeons in whatever order and good dungeon design, because otherwise the dungeons would need to be designed so that anyone, whatever items they had, could get through it and they would either be a complete mess (seven ways to pass each room! Bomb, hookshot or boomerang your way to victory!) or dull and repetetive, where anyone could get through, even without gear. And if Ninty stuck to good design, and made it so that certain dungeons could be completed only with specific gear, people would complain because they went halfway through a dungeon only to find that they couldn't get any further.

BrunoBRS

That could be interesting, but again, multiple approaches would just mean that as soon as you had one item out of bomb/hookshot/bow etc. you could do the entire thing because you'd always choose the bomb (or whatever) option. Eventually Nintendo would have to force you to go and get something else, and then it'd be "ARGH NINTENDO WHY AM I NOT FREEEEEE" all over again.

And frankly getting upgrades inorder was the whole point of Metroid. Get missiles - open blast doors - get ball transformation - go through small tunnel - get wave beam....... Don't get me wrong, Metroid Prime especially was a brilliant game, arguably the best of it's generation (and IMO possibly of all time) but you weren't really free to move around until the end. The same for the sequels.

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]My dream dungeon involves groundhog day/Majora's Mask time travel that changes the dungeon as time progresses.ActionRemix

...and there would be an acorn that grows into a tree as time progresses :P

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="EddyPee"]

You can't have both freedom to do the dungeons in whatever order and good dungeon design, because otherwise the dungeons would need to be designed so that anyone, whatever items they had, could get through it and they would either be a complete mess (seven ways to pass each room! Bomb, hookshot or boomerang your way to victory!) or dull and repetetive, where anyone could get through, even without gear. And if Ninty stuck to good design, and made it so that certain dungeons could be completed only with specific gear, people would complain because they went halfway through a dungeon only to find that they couldn't get any further.

EddyPee

That could be interesting, but again, multiple approaches would just mean that as soon as you had one item out of bomb/hookshot/bow etc. you could do the entire thing because you'd always choose the bomb (or whatever) option. Eventually Nintendo would have to force you to go and get something else, and then it'd be "ARGH NINTENDO WHY AM I NOT FREEEEEE" all over again.

And frankly getting upgrades inorder was the whole point of Metroid. Get missiles - open blast doors - get ball transformation - go through small tunnel - get wave beam....... Don't get me wrong, Metroid Prime especially was a brilliant game, arguably the best of it's generation (and IMO possibly of all time) but you weren't really free to move around until the end. The same for the sequels.

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"][QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]oh god no, it's an amazing idea but i'm already picturing myself snapping as i play through it :lol:Techn0holic89

...and there would be an acorn that grows into a tree as time progresses :P

After that interview,McShea gets my full respect. At least he dares to speak his mind.

Good for him.

I think the Zelda review was spot on, here is the explaination and why i totally agree

I think he has pinpointed the exact reason why i did not like Zelda TP much too, the two last Zelda games have become ordinary and extremely casualized and easy comparing to older ones

http://theparanoidgamer.com/gamespot-reviewer-explains-zelda-score-in-latest-sw-magazine/

More freedom. The strange thing is, The Legend of Zelda (the first game in the series) had this freedom, and the series just went away from it through the years. Part of the problem is that you're confined in a linear path, shuffled from one dungeon to the next, with only cursory exploration. Recent Zelda games are adventures that have you on a leash the whole time. I wish they would remove the leash. Let me enter dungeons out of order. Give me multiple ways to access off-the-path routes, so if I don't have the hookshot yet, I can still use my bombs to open up a road. Make me feel as if I'm forging my own path rather than just doing exactly what the developer wants, when they want it.
Skyward Sword is predictable and lacks a sense of adventure because everything is so structured and confined. Your experience is going to be nearly identical to mine. Everyone will take the same path, see the same enemies, solve puzzles the same way, and so on and so forth. I'd love to see Nintendo use The Legend of Zelda as a blueprint for their next game rather than Ocarina for the umpteenth time.

I tend to be harsh in my criticism, and have no problem saying a mega-hyped game is merely "Good"; this is a strong contrast to how reviews are often handled in this industry. Tom McShae

+1

Play the game before you claim I was somehow unfair. And also understand that people have different opinions from your own. My job is not tell you what you want to hear or make sure my score is the same as the Metacritic average.Tom McShae

+2

McShae earns my respect.

I think the Zelda review was spot on, here is the explaination and why i totally agree

loosingENDS

"I think a game that I've never played before and will never play was given a correct score simply because it didn't get a 9.0+"

The LoZ for NES is a flawed argument. The game had no direction or narrative. That's the reason for it's "openness."

[QUOTE="Tom McShae"] I tend to be harsh in my criticism, and have no problem saying a mega-hyped game is merely "Good"; this is a strong contrast to how reviews are often handled in this industry. Samurai_Xavier

+1

Play the game before you claim I was somehow unfair. And also understand that people have different opinions from your own. My job is not tell you what you want to hear or make sure my score is the same as the Metacritic average.Tom McShae

+2

McShae earns my respect.

Yeah, he did a great review.

Even the IR-error was just minor. I'd rather have a review which gives out the strengths and flaws about the game than something that just sugarcoats it.

Greetings. Tom is a great name, and I rate it 8.0/10. How he compared the worlds to Wind Waker and said SS is lacking, then went on to say that the controls are broken if you try to play less waggle-y, really negatively affected my hype for this game. Are these things true? Obviously, I don't know since I haven't played it.:P

[QUOTE="Jolt_counter119"]

[QUOTE="Cloud_765"]McShea needs to read the rating scale. He said a 7.5 is very good. There's a problem with that. GS' rating scale SPECIFICALLY says 7-7.5 is good. Not very good. Get with the program, Tom. Seriously, how retarded can reviewer be that they don't even know their site's scale? Very good is more similar to great... Cloud_765

These are part of a set of guidlines for their reviews.

"Our reviews are written with the prospective customer in mind--someone who's naturally interested in playing a new game and has a limited amount of time and money to spend. Our editors approach each review strictly from that perspective. In turn, our reviews are not intended to validate or support the beliefs of hardcore fans, nor are they intended to provide feedback to developers or publishers about how a given game could have been improved. Our reviews are only designed to tell you, the game player, to what extent a game is worth your while."

"First and foremost, our reviews are an assessment of one particular game at a time. We approach each review assignment without assuming anything about the quality of the game, irrespective of prerelease preview coverage, the history of any previous games in the series, any perceptions about the developer's or publisher's track records, and so forth. That is, every game we review gets a fair shake, and is treated with the same level of care and attention with which we approach every review assignment."

Um Tom, I think you need to re-read you're companies philosophy again.

I would say McShea had becomed the most disliked person in the GS community.

HaloPimp978

How many times have you watched or played a game that was hyped by critics only to be disappointed? Bread_or_Decide

NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]How many times have you watched or played a game that was hyped by critics only to be disappointed? Willy105

NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams

this topic has made me decide to try to join GUFU :)wolfbm

It's a great time for that.

Greetings. Tom is a great name, and I rate it 8.0/10. How he compared the worlds to Wind Waker and said SS is lacking, then went on to say that the controls are broken if you try to play less waggle-y, really negatively affected my hype for this game. Are these things true? Obviously, I don't know since I haven't played it.:P

gamecubepad

Great interview by Tom. Answered all the questions properly and owned the poor sheep in the process :)

GUFU breaking families apart since 2010. :P

One thing is for sure.... 1) IF by any mean , even 1 out of 10 times , controls are off and affect gameplay .. this game CANT be 100. 2) IGN and other sites were so hyped about Zelda ss and gave so easy a 10 that makes me wonder ... Do they really bypass control issues like are non existant because of the hype and nostalgia? What is goin on? How is IGN the unbiased and GS the biased one and not the vice versa here? 3) Giantbomb also gave 8.0 for almost same reasons as GS. Arent these 2 , 2 of the most respected sites on net? Is not like everyone ( worth mention ) score it 10 and GS alone found it 7.5... 4) and last... You dont like Gamespot and Toms reasons why he thinks Zelda isnt a 10? GO to IGN and stay there. Thats all!! Have fun with high scores in every single hyped game and your issues solved. Simple as that.AzatiS

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]How many times have you watched or played a game that was hyped by critics only to be disappointed? Bread_or_Decide

NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams

Other than the pointer, the controls were fine. Your Nunchuck analog stick is probably bad.

The problem was that the game was completely unfinished.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"]One thing is for sure.... 1) IF by any mean , even 1 out of 10 times , controls are off and affect gameplay .. this game CANT be 100. 2) IGN and other sites were so hyped about Zelda ss and gave so easy a 10 that makes me wonder ... Do they really bypass control issues like are non existant because of the hype and nostalgia? What is goin on? How is IGN the unbiased and GS the biased one and not the vice versa here? 3) Giantbomb also gave 8.0 for almost same reasons as GS. Arent these 2 , 2 of the most respected sites on net? Is not like everyone ( worth mention ) score it 10 and GS alone found it 7.5... 4) and last... You dont like Gamespot and Toms reasons why he thinks Zelda isnt a 10? GO to IGN and stay there. Thats all!! Have fun with high scores in every single hyped game and your issues solved. Simple as that.Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Shinobishyguy"][QUOTE="AzatiS"]One thing is for sure.... 1) IF by any mean , even 1 out of 10 times , controls are off and affect gameplay .. this game CANT be 100. 2) IGN and other sites were so hyped about Zelda ss and gave so easy a 10 that makes me wonder ... Do they really bypass control issues like are non existant because of the hype and nostalgia? What is goin on? How is IGN the unbiased and GS the biased one and not the vice versa here? 3) Giantbomb also gave 8.0 for almost same reasons as GS. Arent these 2 , 2 of the most respected sites on net? Is not like everyone ( worth mention ) score it 10 and GS alone found it 7.5... 4) and last... You dont like Gamespot and Toms reasons why he thinks Zelda isnt a 10? GO to IGN and stay there. Thats all!! Have fun with high scores in every single hyped game and your issues solved. Simple as that.ActionRemix