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[QUOTE="beganoo"]'What constitues as a great story is subjective but gameplay isn't. Wat. What makes a game what it is, is a whole manner of things. Hence why the firs Bioshock received tons of gushing, despite critics overlooking the games wonky mechanics, and the same can be said about GTA IV's **** design choices and dull dragged out story, or MGS4 on a whole. Infinite isn't perfect in any regard at all, better for the sum of its parts? I'd say so. No, critics were fooled by this games illusions. The thing is that Infinite hides its flaws for those who don't pay attention. The flaws are under the surface more than at the surface. In fact, its not the sum of its parts, it ends up not adding up in the end. This game is wildly inconsistant and looks rushed and unfinished, which means it was delayed not to polish, but to change. There are some poor story direction as well as some lazy game direction. And really the story isn't all that deep, especially in key areas. Its easily the worst of the Bioshocks.Lol no.
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Some aruge its great story which is subjective and I dissagree but its pretty factual the gameplay is avrage as sh*t. What makes a game a game is the gameplay just fyi.
skrat_01
I feel like alot of the trolls are just people who didn't quite understand the plot.[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]
[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]
Really glad it did. Ken was very worried the game wouldn't sell or get enough exposure and I'm really glad it did.Â
I would say inb4 trolls say it's terrible but it already happenedÂ
the_bi99man
Remember that 100 page thread with people explaining things to the OP who clearly didn't get it?
Texas Yup.
Oh I got it......but you don't get how it really doesn't work. This is what happens when you sacrifice theme in the name of the plot.[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="beganoo"]'What constitues as a great story is subjective but gameplay isn't. Wat. What makes a game what it is, is a whole manner of things. Hence why the firs Bioshock received tons of gushing, despite critics overlooking the games wonky mechanics, and the same can be said about GTA IV's **** design choices and dull dragged out story, or MGS4 on a whole. Infinite isn't perfect in any regard at all, better for the sum of its parts? I'd say so. No, critics were fooled by this games illusions. The thing is that Infinite hides its flaws for those who don't pay attention. The flaws are under the surface more than at the surface. In fact, its not the sum of its parts, it ends up not adding up in the end. This game is wildly inconsistant and looks rushed and unfinished, which means it was delayed not to polish, but to change. There are some poor story direction as well as some lazy game direction. And really the story isn't all that deep, especially in key areas. Its easily the worst of the Bioshocks. Sounds like Mass Effect :oLol no.
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Some aruge its great story which is subjective and I dissagree but its pretty factual the gameplay is avrage as sh*t. What makes a game a game is the gameplay just fyi.
texasgoldrush
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] 'What constitues as a great story is subjective but gameplay isn't. Wat. What makes a game what it is, is a whole manner of things. Hence why the firs Bioshock received tons of gushing, despite critics overlooking the games wonky mechanics, and the same can be said about GTA IV's **** design choices and dull dragged out story, or MGS4 on a whole. Infinite isn't perfect in any regard at all, better for the sum of its parts? I'd say so. jessejay420No, critics were fooled by this games illusions. The thing is that Infinite hides its flaws for those who don't pay attention. The flaws are under the surface more than at the surface. In fact, its not the sum of its parts, it ends up not adding up in the end. This game is wildly inconsistant and looks rushed and unfinished, which means it was delayed not to polish, but to change. There are some poor story direction as well as some lazy game direction. And really the story isn't all that deep, especially in key areas. Its easily the worst of the Bioshocks. im glad you think you can pawn your opinion off as fact. Tell me, is this consistancy? I can shoot a mom and dad in front of their two children at an ice cream shop in solider field and Liz doesn't even say a word, in which five minutes ago, she was freaking out about be killing people that attacked me at the arcade in Battleship Bay. I basically broke the game's logic and it has no answer.
Thats not what a GOTY winner does. This game is a paper castle with the illusion of depth, explore too deeply and you might find its shallow. Deal with it, this game has some problems and people who dig deep will mention these problems.
Tell me, is this consistancy? I can shoot a mom and dad in front of their two children at an ice cream shop in solider field and Liz doesn't even say a word, in which five minutes ago, she was freaking out about be killing people that attacked me at the arcade in Battleship Bay. I basically broke the game's logic and it has no answer.[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
[QUOTE="jessejay420"] im glad you think you can pawn your opinion off as fact.the_bi99man
Thats not what a GOTY winner does. This game is a paper castle with the illusion of depth, explore too deeply and you might find its shallow. Deal with it, this game has some problems and people who dig deep will mention these problems.
It's a video game, where you shoot people, you fvcking idiot. What did you want? Elizabeth screaming and crying the entire time?
Now get off your god damn soap box, stop acting like your opinion is fact, and learn to live with the fact that Bioshock Infinite is a good game, plenty of fun, a better story than 99% of the gaming industry, and a greater achievement for those involved than anything you will ever do.
So I should be able to shoot innocent unarmed people in front of their kids and I am supposed to expect Liz not to say anything?Why don't you stop acting like its some sort of masterpiece and the second coming of christ? Once again, I have said in past threads Infinite is a good game, just not as great as the first two games. There are a lot more games with better stories than 1% of the industry, and infinite is certainly behind the first two games and many other games, like Deus Ex Human Revolution.
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] So I should be able to shoot innocent unarmed people in front of their kids and I am supposed to expect Liz not to say anything?
Why don't you stop acting like its some sort of masterpiece and the second coming of christ? Once again, I have said in past threads Infinite is a good game, just not as great as the first two games. There are a lot more games with better stories than 1% of the industry, and infinite is certainly behind the first two games and many other games, like Deus Ex Human Revolution.
texasgoldrush
I don't remember ever shooting innocent, unarmed people in front of their kids. Pretty sure the game never made you do that. Did you go out of your way to do that, just to see if you could break Elizabeth's character? Maybe they didn't bother writing in a reaction for her in that situation because they didn't expect some self-proclaimed fine literature critic to go running around hunting for ways to exploit the game into doing something weird (as pieces of software are prone to do), just so he has things to cry about on the internet.
And just like this...you see how inferior this game is to something like Deus Ex....to where the designers for the most part, prepare for anything the player does. And once again, paper castle.....gamers will go out of their way to explore the game, how do you not prepare for this?I played the game 4 times, and never did that. I never felt a desire to shoot the innocent people. Problem's on your end.Â
Anyway, I'm not about to get caught up in another of your circle jerks about shit you don't understand, and how it sucks because you don't get it. You've been shit on more than enough, and I've already given you more attention than I intended to.
And just like this...you see how inferior this game is to something like Deus Ex....to where the designers for the most part, prepare for anything the player does. And once again, paper castle.....gamers will go out of their way to explore the game, how do you not prepare for this?[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
I don't remember ever shooting innocent, unarmed people in front of their kids. Pretty sure the game never made you do that. Did you go out of your way to do that, just to see if you could break Elizabeth's character? Maybe they didn't bother writing in a reaction for her in that situation because they didn't expect some self-proclaimed fine literature critic to go running around hunting for ways to exploit the game into doing something weird (as pieces of software are prone to do), just so he has things to cry about on the internet.
the_bi99man
I played the game 4 times, and never did that. I never felt a desire to shoot the innocent people. Problem's on your end.
No, its the game's for giving me the freedom to do so, but not following up with the consquences and reactions. The ONLY time where the game reacts to a player's action in a meaningful and intellegent way is when you try to shoot the Lutece's in the bar. Other than that, its dumb as nails.And no, you fail to understand...it is you. Other games simply just do it better than Bioshock Infinite. And I do undertsand the plot and the narrative. It simply just isn't that good. It has nearly no thematic consistancy. I get it, its like a puzzle where you have to put together the pieces to understand what happens, but here is the thing....they destroyed the games themes making a plot like this. There is no clear good message that comes out of the story because the themes got abandoned or muddled.
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="beganoo"]'What constitues as a great story is subjective but gameplay isn't. Wat. What makes a game what it is, is a whole manner of things. Hence why the firs Bioshock received tons of gushing, despite critics overlooking the games wonky mechanics, and the same can be said about GTA IV's **** design choices and dull dragged out story, or MGS4 on a whole. Infinite isn't perfect in any regard at all, better for the sum of its parts? I'd say so. No, critics were fooled by this games illusions. The thing is that Infinite hides its flaws for those who don't pay attention. The flaws are under the surface more than at the surface. In fact, its not the sum of its parts, it ends up not adding up in the end. This game is wildly inconsistant and looks rushed and unfinished, which means it was delayed not to polish, but to change. There are some poor story direction as well as some lazy game direction. And really the story isn't all that deep, especially in key areas. Its easily the worst of the Bioshocks. And you weren't fooled because you're the only sensible voice out there right? All hail texasgoldrush, arbiter of videogames.Lol no.
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Some aruge its great story which is subjective and I dissagree but its pretty factual the gameplay is avrage as sh*t. What makes a game a game is the gameplay just fyi.
texasgoldrush
its worth replaying over and over again many times so its worth $60,in my opinion.I'm not going to pay $60 for an 8 hour single-player game.
The_Power_of_X
[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="beganoo"]'What constitues as a great story is subjective but gameplay isn't. Wat. What makes a game what it is, is a whole manner of things. Hence why the firs Bioshock received tons of gushing, despite critics overlooking the games wonky mechanics, and the same can be said about GTA IV's **** design choices and dull dragged out story, or MGS4 on a whole. Infinite isn't perfect in any regard at all, better for the sum of its parts? I'd say so. No, critics were fooled by this games illusions. The thing is that Infinite hides its flaws for those who don't pay attention. The flaws are under the surface more than at the surface. In fact, its not the sum of its parts, it ends up not adding up in the end. This game is wildly inconsistant and looks rushed and unfinished, which means it was delayed not to polish, but to change. There are some poor story direction as well as some lazy game direction. And really the story isn't all that deep, especially in key areas. Its easily the worst of the Bioshocks. im glad you think you can pawn your opinion off as fact.Lol no.
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Some aruge its great story which is subjective and I dissagree but its pretty factual the gameplay is avrage as sh*t. What makes a game a game is the gameplay just fyi.
texasgoldrush
well according to texasgoldrush,the story isnt deep and the game is unfinished and its a fact. so any feelings you have about this game and all the fun you had for that matter,you have to take it back because it didnt happen. because texasgoldrush says its a fact.Just finished it yesterday. Wow people haven't lied, the ending just blew me away.
Glad it's sold well. :)
jackfruitchips
im glad you think you can pawn your opinion off as fact. Tell me, is this consistancy? I can shoot a mom and dad in front of their two children at an ice cream shop in solider field and Liz doesn't even say a word, in which five minutes ago, she was freaking out about be killing people that attacked me at the arcade in Battleship Bay. I basically broke the game's logic and it has no answer.[QUOTE="jessejay420"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] No, critics were fooled by this games illusions. The thing is that Infinite hides its flaws for those who don't pay attention. The flaws are under the surface more than at the surface. In fact, its not the sum of its parts, it ends up not adding up in the end. This game is wildly inconsistant and looks rushed and unfinished, which means it was delayed not to polish, but to change. There are some poor story direction as well as some lazy game direction. And really the story isn't all that deep, especially in key areas. Its easily the worst of the Bioshocks.texasgoldrush
Thats not what a GOTY winner does. This game is a paper castle with the illusion of depth, explore too deeply and you might find its shallow. Deal with it, this game has some problems and people who dig deep will mention these problems.
It's a video game, where you shoot people, you fvcking idiot. What did you want? Elizabeth screaming and crying the entire time?
Now get off your god damn soap box, stop acting like your opinion is fact, and learn to live with the fact that Bioshock Infinite is a good game, plenty of fun, a better story than 99% of the gaming industry, and a greater achievement for those involved than anything you will ever do.
dont get how 878 over three platforms is good sales but i love the game so hoping it sells a couple of million
Mario1331
In 6 days. And not counting PC/Digital Downloads/steam. And only in the US.
Those numbers are fantastic. Very few games outside of the yearly rehash franchises achieve even close to that.
[QUOTE="Mario1331"]
dont get how 878 over three platforms is good sales but i love the game so hoping it sells a couple of million
the_bi99man
In 6 days. And not counting PC/Digital Downloads/steam. And only in the US.
Those numbers are fantastic. Very few games outside of the yearly rehash franchises achieve even close to that.
its across 3 platforms.....
it isnt that good to me its "alright" especially the prestige bioshock has
im pretty sure it will sell more though
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="Mario1331"]
dont get how 878 over three platforms is good sales but i love the game so hoping it sells a couple of million
Mario1331
In 6 days. And not counting PC/Digital Downloads/steam. And only in the US.
Those numbers are fantastic. Very few games outside of the yearly rehash franchises achieve even close to that.
its across 3 platforms.....
it isnt that good to me its "alright" especially the prestige bioshock has
im pretty sure it will sell more though
It's still only physical copies, which probably make up less than 10% of the PC version sales. And it's only US. And it's just the first 6 days. By any standards, those are damn good sales numbers.Â
Also, it should be noted that even despite rumors of the game costing 2K as much as $200 million including the marketing campaign, they're happy with the numbers. They said it's already outsold their expectations by a couple hundred thousand copies.
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Tell me, is this consistancy? I can shoot a mom and dad in front of their two children at an ice cream shop in solider field and Liz doesn't even say a word, in which five minutes ago, she was freaking out about be killing people that attacked me at the arcade in Battleship Bay. I basically broke the game's logic and it has no answer.
Thats not what a GOTY winner does. This game is a paper castle with the illusion of depth, explore too deeply and you might find its shallow. Deal with it, this game has some problems and people who dig deep will mention these problems.
texasgoldrush
It's a video game, where you shoot people, you fvcking idiot. What did you want? Elizabeth screaming and crying the entire time?
Now get off your god damn soap box, stop acting like your opinion is fact, and learn to live with the fact that Bioshock Infinite is a good game, plenty of fun, a better story than 99% of the gaming industry, and a greater achievement for those involved than anything you will ever do.
So I should be able to shoot innocent unarmed people in front of their kids and I am supposed to expect Liz not to say anything?Why don't you stop acting like its some sort of masterpiece and the second coming of christ? Once again, I have said in past threads Infinite is a good game, just not as great as the first two games. There are a lot more games with better stories than 1% of the industry, and infinite is certainly behind the first two games and many other games, like Deus Ex Human Revolution.
I don't remember ever shooting innocent, unarmed people in front of their kids. Pretty sure the game never made you do that. Did you go out of your way to do that, just to see if you could break Elizabeth's character? Maybe they didn't bother writing in a reaction for her in that situation because they didn't expect some self-proclaimed fine literature critic to go running around hunting for ways to exploit the game into doing something weird (as pieces of software are prone to do), just so he has things to cry about on the internet.
So I should be able to shoot innocent unarmed people in front of their kids and I am supposed to expect Liz not to say anything?[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]
[QUOTE="the_bi99man"]
It's a video game, where you shoot people, you fvcking idiot. What did you want? Elizabeth screaming and crying the entire time?
Now get off your god damn soap box, stop acting like your opinion is fact, and learn to live with the fact that Bioshock Infinite is a good game, plenty of fun, a better story than 99% of the gaming industry, and a greater achievement for those involved than anything you will ever do.
the_bi99man
Why don't you stop acting like its some sort of masterpiece and the second coming of christ? Once again, I have said in past threads Infinite is a good game, just not as great as the first two games. There are a lot more games with better stories than 1% of the industry, and infinite is certainly behind the first two games and many other games, like Deus Ex Human Revolution.
I don't remember ever shooting innocent, unarmed people in front of their kids. Pretty sure the game never made you do that. Did you go out of your way to do that, just to see if you could break Elizabeth's character? Maybe they didn't bother writing in a reaction for her in that situation because they didn't expect some self-proclaimed fine literature critic to go running around hunting for ways to exploit the game into doing something weird (as pieces of software are prone to do), just so he has things to cry about on the internet.
And just like this...you see how inferior this game is to something like Deus Ex....to where the designers for the most part, prepare for anything the player does. And once again, paper castle.....gamers will go out of their way to explore the game, how do you not prepare for this?Love how some people think this game is overly pretentious...wonder how they'd react to Avant Garde cinema xD
>>Serene Velocity (1970)<<Â (full version 35 mins)
>>Wavelength (1967)<<
>>Empire (1964)<<Â (full version of this is 8 hours... Was shot over six and a half hours, but he slowed it down)
>>Blow Job (1964)<<Â (full version 35 mins)
Also Check out "The Cremaster Cycle" (if you buy the five films on DVD, it will cost you $100,000).Â
WTF?Love how some people think this game is overly pretentious...wonder how they'd react to Avant Garde cinema xD
alien1280rhys
>>Serene Velocity (1970)<<Â (full version 35 mins)
>>Wavelength (1967)<<
>>Empire (1964)<<Â (full version of this is 8 hours... Was shot over six and a half hours, but he slowed it down)
>>Blow Job (1964)<<Â (full version 35 mins)
Also Check out "The Cremaster Cycle" (if you buy the five films on DVD, it will cost you $100,000).Â
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