Be real Sony and stop lying to us about the PS4

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#1 Posted by 2mrw (5153 posts) -

It can't do 1080p at stable 60 fps unless it's an indie or a pretty avarage game graphically .

They are pushing that 1080p at 60 fps too much, yet they didn't deliver it in a single title yet. Yeah, the X1 is weaker but at least MS is keeping it real ( they are BS in other stuff like the cloud ) .

With the latest news on KZ multiplayer being 9xx X 1080 at almost 40-50 fps when it was advertised to be 1080 at almost 60 fps, this is a huge blow to them. I don't really know how Sony can explain this. Even the future PS4 titles like Infamous/ Order1886/ DriveClub don't really promise that 1080/60fps.

Things may get better along the road but it's obvious that there will be compromises to be made. For examples the absence of shadows in Infamous:SS ( the game is 1080/30fps ) which is funny because the even the worst PS3 games had them !!

Only disappointments you will get when hyping a weak machine to the skies.

#2 Posted by lostrib (40000 posts) -

okay

#3 Posted by TheEroica (14059 posts) -

They're simply grasping at any bullet point they can to hold over the competition... anyone would do it. What are they gonna say, "We can do 1080p now but in a year from now, forget about it"

#4 Posted by darkangel115 (1928 posts) -

Sony doesn't have to explain anything, the cows immediately forgive them and make excuses

#5 Edited by SolidTy (45075 posts) -

It's a developers/publishers choice on what frame rate and resolution a game lands on, no matter the hardware there will always be choices on available resources, especially consoles which are static hardware. It's going to be like this with the PS5, Xbox 4, Wii Ux2, PS6, Xbox 5, PS7, PS8, PS9, et cetera.

Frames per second and Resolutions are just the tip of the iceberg for devs as they have to consider physics, AI, art assets, textures, size of the level, et cetera. There will always be restrictions to deal with, even with PC games. You can only create what the hardware or graphics card allows. If you prioritize 1080p and 60fps, it's only going to remove other aspects of the game you are designing. Juggling frame rates and resolutions is going to be an issue with the PS5, Xbox 4, Wii Ux2, PS6, Xbox 5, PS7, PS8, PS9, et cetera. There are a lot of pieces to a game's creation and you looking at two tiny pieces of a huge puzzle will only confuse you.

Devs have a tough job juggling FINITE RESOURCES because a Game is more than simply "FPS" and "Resolutions".The PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, Xbox, Gamecube, Dreamcast, and more could do 1080p and 60fps. You probably wouldn't like the game, but it could be done if that was the only goal. Some Pong type game, perhaps.

With regards to juggling limited resources, this was true every gaming generation and I spoke of this subject multiple times over the years since 2005 here in SW. The developers decide on how they are going to juggle their resources and we either get a great game or not. The issue is more about buying a $250 machine, a $400 machine, or a $500 machine and judging performance between those three machines. To be honest, it looks to be the console graphics race is between the $400/$500 machines. Neither machine will be able to do 1080p/60fps for every game, especially when the really ambitious developers and games start releasing and start pushing the consoles hard, but the PS4 will offer developers more juice than the competition.

Just be content when we get a cross-generational PS360 game unscaled on the new machines if all you care about is resolutions and frame-rates.

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Let this be a lesson to stop reading PR and marketing like it was written by Jebus H. Christ himself. You also seem to be confusing people's arguments and fan-boy bickering with what companies actually stated. Sony in particular said their machine can do 1080p, and it can. It doesn't mean you should expect it. Same for Xbone, Wii U, etc. The machines can do 1080p/60fps, hell the PS360 could do that. It's up to the developers vision of their game. Nintendo, Xbox, and Playstation are game machines/companies, the other 3rd party developers decide on their game's specifics.

#6 Posted by lundy86_4 (43864 posts) -

Righto.

#7 Edited by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

And yet TR, MGS:GZ, COD run at 1080p/60fps on PS4 while they run at mediocre framerates or resolutions on Xbone. If anything it's M$ that needs to be honest with us.

#8 Posted by CrownKingArthur (5085 posts) -

they sure do lie a lot it seems. here they are lying that 1920x800 is 1920x1080.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-order-1886-graphics-tradeoff-for-ps4-explained-by-ready-at-dawn

"“The Order 1886” runs at 1080p, the image won’t take up the entire screen. Instead of 1920 pixels by 1080 pixels, the video game is going to display a picture of 1920 pixels by 800 pixels."

lol. What will happen next? 1920x400 will be full HD? Sorry gentlemen, I reject your notion that 1920x800 is full hd, because full hd means 1080p, and 1080p is 1920x1080.

And why do people defend this? it's a technical thing. It would be like arguing how many protons should be in the nucleus of a hydrogen.

#9 Posted by Nengo_Flow (10068 posts) -

So you want Sony to "stop lying" but completely over looked that M$ at E3 repeatedly said after everygame that was announce on stage that "it will run 1080p 60fps".

Stop your bitching.

#10 Edited by Solid_Max13 (3548 posts) -

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

#11 Posted by SolidGame_basic (18633 posts) -

so you're saying at 3 months in, it's been maxed out?

#12 Edited by super600 (30860 posts) -

@SolidGame_basic said:

so you're saying at 3 months in, it's been maxed out?

No he's saying that sony should stop lying and tell the truth when they are talking about a game's resolution.

#13 Posted by freedom01 (777 posts) -

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

#14 Edited by Couth_ (10208 posts) -

should have gone with 3tflop GPU.. At the end of the day 99% of consumers aren't going to know the difference. No one last gen knew games weren't really HD. No one cared if the frames dipped.. No one this gen is going know that they aren't really 1080p.. Sony managed to make a more powerful console than MS for $100 less so they won that race, but mostly because of price..

If you want to join the master race get yourself an i5 and join TEAM GREEN

#15 Posted by Murderstyle75 (4172 posts) -

@freedom01:

Lemmings are so butthurt over Xbox One sales, they now just make shit up as they go.

#16 Posted by darkangel115 (1928 posts) -

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

#17 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151851 posts) -

@super600 said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

so you're saying at 3 months in, it's been maxed out?

No he's saying that sony should stop lying and tell the truth when they are talking about a game's resolution.

Has Sony ever promised all games at 1080p and 60 fps? Isn't that up to devs any way?

#18 Posted by juarbles (801 posts) -

Why are there so many butthurt xboners here? shouldn't they be doing something more in accordance to their abilities like turning channels with a remote? the xboner desperation is getting worrisome.

#19 Edited by super600 (30860 posts) -

@Murderstyle75 said:

@freedom01:

Lemmings are so butthurt over Xbox One sales, they now just make shit up as they go.

They mention something about the resolution of the game here

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2013/11/02/killzone-shadow-fall-campaign-hands-on-new-multiplayer-footage/

#20 Posted by I_can_haz (6551 posts) -

@darkangel115: those are not words from a Sony exec, those are famousmortimer's words from GAF. You lems are desperate.

#21 Posted by Solid_Max13 (3548 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

Link isn't working... just a gaming news site.

#22 Posted by Chutebox (37851 posts) -

Alrighty

#23 Posted by Gaming-Planet (14070 posts) -

It's a midrange gpu, don't expect 1080p 60fps on everything. It will have pretty bad frame latency, better to go 1080p 30fps or sub hd 60fps.

#24 Edited by super600 (30860 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@super600 said:

@SolidGame_basic said:

so you're saying at 3 months in, it's been maxed out?

No he's saying that sony should stop lying and tell the truth when they are talking about a game's resolution.

Has Sony ever promised all games at 1080p and 60 fps? Isn't that up to devs any way?

I'm just trying to summarize what the TC said. I already know it's impossible for the PS4 to run all games released for it at 1080P and 60fps.

#25 Posted by darkangel115 (1928 posts) -

@I_can_haz said:

@darkangel115: those are not words from a Sony exec, those are famousmortimer's words from GAF. You lems are desperate.

They were made by Shahid Kamal Ahmad who is "SCEE's Senior Business Development Manager"

here is a link to his twitter

https://twitter.com/shahidkamal/statuses/400013318309814273

And I'm not a lem if you paid any attention to the forums instead of being an idiot ;)

#26 Edited by SolidTy (45075 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

A lot =/= All Their Games

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it. At least judging that link.

---

A different point I would like to reiterate as I've said many times over the many years:

I dislike PR and marketing for this reason (FOR ANY COMPANY) and I have said for years people should stop quoting PR, but their job is to sell us things. Blows.

#27 Posted by super600 (30860 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@I_can_haz said:

@darkangel115: those are not words from a Sony exec, those are famousmortimer's words from GAF. You lems are desperate.

They were made by Shahid Kamal Ahmad who is "SCEE's Senior Business Development Manager"

here is a link to his twitter

https://twitter.com/shahidkamal/statuses/400013318309814273

And I'm not a lem if you paid any attention to the forums instead of being an idiot ;)

I think he was talking about indie games/downloadable titles in that twitter post.

#28 Edited by darkangel115 (1928 posts) -

@Solid_Max13 said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

Link isn't working... just a gaming news site.

They were made by Shahid Kamal Ahmad who is "SCEE's Senior Business Development Manager"

here is a link to his twitter

https://twitter.com/shahidkamal/statuses/400013318309814273

just copy and past link

#29 Posted by darkangel115 (1928 posts) -

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

#30 Posted by Solid_Max13 (3548 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

Link isn't working... just a gaming news site.

They were made by Shahid Kamal Ahmad who is "SCEE's Senior Business Development Manager"

here is a link to his twitter

https://twitter.com/shahidkamal/statuses/400013318309814273

just copy and past link

Like SolidTy said above it is a very vague statement and does not mean all games will run at that Resolution/FPS as we've seen from some current games.

#31 Posted by Shewgenja (9961 posts) -

@I_can_haz said:

And yet TR, MGS:GZ, COD run at 1080p/60fps on PS4 while they run at mediocre framerates or resolutions on Xbone. If anything it's M$ that needs to be honest with us.

Shhh, don't bring logic into this. The Lems really thought they had something with this KillZone MP resurrection.

#32 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151851 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

Do you understand PR and marketing? Do you believe every commercial you see and/or hear? Do you believe every ad you read?

#33 Posted by The_Last_Ride (73492 posts) -

Still looks better and runs better on PS4 compared to X1

#34 Posted by darkangel115 (1928 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

Do you understand PR and marketing? Do you believe every commercial you see and/or hear? Do you believe every ad you read?

I don't pay attention to any of it. I can care less. At the end of the day GG did say it ran native 1080p and 60fps which cows used to laugh at ryse only being 900p and 60fps, then it came out now that GG lied and it has less pixels then ryse. does it change anything? To me and most people? No, but to the hardcore cows its like a swift kick in the balls

#35 Posted by Bigboi500 (30409 posts) -

@2mrw said:

It can't do 1080p at stable 60 fps unless it's an indie or a pretty avarage game graphically .


That's a pretty strong accusation pal, can you back it up with facts or a source? I'd be willing to bet the PS4 can easily do that when the developers know what they're doing.

#36 Edited by SolidTy (45075 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

A lot =/= All Their Games

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it. At least judging that link.

---

A different point I would like to reiterate as I've said many times over the many years:

I dislike PR and marketing for this reason (FOR ANY COMPANY) and I have said for years people should stop quoting PR, but their job is to sell us things. Blows.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

I don't care about it either because I for years I've been railing against PR in SW.

However, I do find it mildly aggravating when people use false links to make a misleading point, whether it's about Siberia, Apples, Obama, or video games. I play games across Xbox, Nintendo, PC, handhelds, Sega, and Playstation, but the way you lemmings lie or try to mislead is amazing.

It's not just lemmings, cows, sheep, or hermits...any devoted fan-boy will try to mislead people.

All I did was click a link you provided and found it wanting. It has nothing to do with any fan-boy faction, it has to do with literacy.

I hope you don't believe every advertisement you read in a magazine or see on a billboard.

Finally, it's couldn't care less, not can care less. It's all in the tiny details. I know and comprehend what I read and I scrutinize it whether I'm talking to the mailman, watching TV, or reading a book. Certainly when I'm reading PR from a company. If you missed that detail but are repeating a phrase you don't understand like "i can care less", it's certainly in the realm of possibilities that the PR was designed for people such as yourself. You should be more wary of the effects of marketing now.

BTW: I only brought up lemmings because you mentioned cows and I wanted to illustrate a point about generalizations. My only issue was about the link not providing the information and leading me on a wild goose chase.

#37 Posted by Nonstop-Madness (9491 posts) -

KZ:Shadow Fall is still technically rendering a 1920 by 1080 image. They just don't update half of the vertical lines on every frame. It's technique used to get a "fake 60fps".

#38 Posted by Krelian-co (12045 posts) -

@darkangel115 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

Do you understand PR and marketing? Do you believe every commercial you see and/or hear? Do you believe every ad you read?

I don't pay attention to any of it. I can care less. At the end of the day GG did say it ran native 1080p and 60fps which cows used to laugh at ryse only being 900p and 60fps, then it came out now that GG lied and it has less pixels then ryse. does it change anything? To me and most people? No, but to the hardcore cows its like a swift kick in the balls

you sound extremely butthurt

#39 Edited by LJS9502_basic (151851 posts) -

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

A lot =/= All Their Games

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it. At least judging that link.

---

A different point I would like to reiterate as I've said many times over the many years:

I dislike PR and marketing for this reason (FOR ANY COMPANY) and I have said for years people should stop quoting PR, but their job is to sell us things. Blows.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

I don't care about it either because I for years I've been railing against PR in SW.

However, I do find it mildly aggravating when people use false links to make a misleading point, whether it's about Siberia, Apples, Obama, or video games. I play games across Xbox, Nintendo, PC, handhelds, Sega, and Playstation, but the way you lemmings lie is amazing.

Same....props for the Sega mention.

#40 Posted by SolidTy (45075 posts) -
@darkangel115 said:

@LJS9502_basic said:

@darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

@darkangel115 said:

@freedom01 said:

@Solid_Max13 said:

I don't believe Sony ever marketed the machine as 1080p/ 60FPS, That's just fanboys expecting that, Considering KZ MP is less 1080p but single player is, is a little weird but it's also launch title so it never surprises me, most games coming out are 1080p and 30fps which is fine, but it comes down to the developer and how they want to utilize the hardware, Kojima is saying he got MGS:GZ to run at 1080p and 60fps but other Devs are doing 1080p 30fps.

this

I dont remember Sony saying that all their games will be running 1080p/60fps. The only ones that have been saying it were the fanboys.

http://www.gamepur.com/news/12716-sony-exec-ps4-future-games-resolution-two-words-fans-will-hear-lot-ps4-are-.html

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

Do you understand PR and marketing? Do you believe every commercial you see and/or hear? Do you believe every ad you read?

I don't pay attention to any of it. I can care less. At the end of the day GG did say it ran native 1080p and 60fps which cows used to laugh at ryse only being 900p and 60fps, then it came out now that GG lied and it has less pixels then ryse. does it change anything? To me and most people? No, but to the hardcore cows its like a swift kick in the balls

If you "can care less", that means you care somewhat and you could care less.

As far as GG lying, they may have I'm not sure I haven't read GG's direct statements, but I'll grant and assume they did despite any evidence because I honestly don't care. I know about marketing and PR for decades.

However, you should be careful because I see people piss and moan about Sheep, Cows, Hermits, or Lemmings. I can honestly say that I've seen a Lemming user generalize about Cows, like you are constantly doing, and the next week that same user is quoting Major Nelson or Aaron Greenburg, both PR for Xbox. It's the same damn cycle. Stop generalizing and just talk about the point. All generalizations do is reveal your own bias, which is why I refrain from using the animal names.

I saw you listed a link to make a point, I clicked on the link and it reveal the opposite of what you intended. Then I see you talking about cows this and that in your posts. I'm not talking about fanboys, but you are steering the conversation into generalizations. I am just saying to you, when you list a link, make sure it's accurate. No need to call anyone anything just because they discovered your link wasn't accurate. That's the ad hominem fallacy.

#41 Posted by metal_zombie (2288 posts) -

No one cares if you want good graphics get a PC this should be surprise that consoles can't keep up with pcs. Every console i have bought since the PSone has been beaten by my pc of the time.

#43 Posted by SolidTy (45075 posts) -
@LJS9502_basic said:

@SolidTy said:

darkangel115 said:

@SolidTy said:

This is what the link said:

"There are two words you’re going to hear a lot of when it comes to PS4 and together, they change the game: 1080p 60fps"

That doesn't say ALL THEIR GAMES. It does say you'll hear 1080p and 60fps a lot. There is a difference. We have heard it a lot, like with upcoming Kojima's MGSV, which is 1080p and 60fps only on PS4. It's not a lie.

A lot =/= All Their Games

It's a vague PR statement. If people get confused by PR, stop reading any companies PR and misquoting it. At least judging that link.

---

A different point I would like to reiterate as I've said many times over the many years:

I dislike PR and marketing for this reason (FOR ANY COMPANY) and I have said for years people should stop quoting PR, but their job is to sell us things. Blows.

Its clever wordplay at best. Regardless who cares what they marketed the machine as. Personally i can give to shits about it. And I'm not going to be up in arms either. its nothing new that Sony lies. and MS lies to. its their job to sell machines, not be honest church going people. The main point is GG did flat out lie about the native 1080p in shadowfall. Like i said i can care less about any of this since its a crap game i didn't by for MY PS4 but the way you cows defend it is amazing. If it was MS that lied about forza being 1080p and used the same "technique" GG did you would hear all the cows screaming about haha lolz xbox720p blah blah. That was the point of the thread. and its very true. Maybe some of you can wake up and see Sony doesn't "love gamers" and that MS and Sony are the same exact thing. 2 businesses trying to turn a profit. nothing more, nothing less

I don't care about it either because I for years I've been railing against PR in SW.

However, I do find it mildly aggravating when people use false links to make a misleading point, whether it's about Siberia, Apples, Obama, or video games. I play games across Xbox, Nintendo, PC, handhelds, Sega, and Playstation, but the way you lemmings lie is amazing.

Same....props for the Sega mention.

Oh yeah...

I can hear it now, SEGA!

#44 Posted by Shewgenja (9961 posts) -

It must really suck to see a PS4 game utterly trashing Ryse at full 1080p. Nice thread, though.

#45 Posted by blackace (21228 posts) -

@2mrw: Ouch!!! Sony still doing a lot of lying. i wonder if ALL those other games are REALLY 1080P native or NOT?

http://www.crappyreviews.com/1/post/2014/03/shame-on-sony-for-lying-to-consumers.html

How did DF miss this for KZ:SF? LOL!! Was DF paid off by Sony not to tell everyone the game was really 1080i.

http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/03/03/ps4s-killzone-multiplayer-is-not-1080p

I really could care less. The fact that Sony was once again caught in a lie and what i care about. What else did they lie about?

#46 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151851 posts) -

@blackace said:

@2mrw: Ouch!!! Sony still doing a lot of lying. i wonder if ALL those other games are REALLY 1080P native or NOT?

How did DF miss this for KZ:SF? LOL!! Was DF paid off by Sony not to tell everyone the game was really 1080i.

I really could care less. The fact that Sony was once again caught in a lie and what i care about. What else did they lie about?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you care very very much.

#47 Edited by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

someone's jealous they don't own a ps4 B-)

#48 Edited by greensand24 (394 posts) -

Look at all the pathetic Sony apologists in this thread. Holy shit. I think throughout this whole thing I saw maybe only one or two cows admit that this was not good. I think that was Tormentos and Misterpmedia... The rest of you seriously go f*** off!

#49 Edited by GrenadeLauncher (5821 posts) -

We already knew that though. The Xbone is incapable of it too.

Problem is, the PS4 is still more powerful than the Xbone. Bad time for lems. :(

#50 Posted by kuu2 (7638 posts) -

@TheEroica: Or don't say anything instead of telling a outright lie.