Assassin's Creed 3 coming on two discs on X360!

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#151 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -
[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="rjdofu"] It would take 5 times longer though :lol:

With PSN, I can download a close to 1.3 MB/s...which is just fine by me. Steam has a higher speed cap but it can also be hampered by the "The Steam servers are too busy at the time, try again later" error.

Damn, I wish mine would be that fast :(, took me forever to download my inFamous 2. My PC normally outspeed my PS3 by a huge margin, no idea why.

Well yeah, folks in the U.S.A. always jump on PSN being slow...but the whole goddamn infrastructure of internet in the USA is the culprit. I used to dowload on with a speed of 3.3 MB/s on Steam, till I got a slower and cheaper internet provider. It's still ok though.
#152 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42906 posts) -
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Well then, that's not the format's fault but the blu-ray reader's fault in the PS3. I kept my old PS2 games as good condition as possible but it still has scratches, can't believe lemmings are coping with a format that can easily get scratched and with a console that actually scratches discs.

Console doesn't scratch disks unless someone is a dumbass and moves the console while the disk is spinning; secondly, if people would take care of their disks then whether or not they're easily scratchable is moot. My disks are still in quite superb condition.
#153 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -
[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="rjdofu"] It would take 5 times longer though :lol:

With PSN, I can download a close to 1.3 MB/s...which is just fine by me. Steam has a higher speed cap but it can also be hampered by the "The Steam servers are too busy at the time, try again later" error.

I've never noticed a cap using Steam. I used to download at 7mb/s before I finished at uni.

Well the Steam cap is your own cap offcourse.
#154 Posted by sts106mat (19845 posts) -
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] No, I'll wait for the uber AC collection that has all AC-games released on consoles.

aaahh, so thats why they call it the "wait station 3" didn't assassins creed 1 come out in 2007? you really wait that long to play one of the best new Ip's this gen?

I just never got into it as I had a backlog too many exclusives and other multiplat games. And I actually do own AC1 and ACII on PC from the last summer sale, but haven't play it yet. As I said, too many exclusives. :cool:

its worth it dude, push through AC1, forgive the "i am too lazy to collect this many flags" naff quests and finish the game. the ones with ezio are much better. since playing those games, i have visited, istanbul, rome, venice, florence etc in real life. the games brings a special appreciation for the real life places and vice versa.
#155 Posted by sts106mat (19845 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Well then, that's not the format's fault but the blu-ray reader's fault in the PS3. I kept my old PS2 games as good condition as possible but it still has scratches, can't believe lemmings are coping with a format that can easily get scratched and with a console that actually scratches discs.

Console doesn't scratch disks unless someone is a dumbass and moves the console while the disk is spinning; secondly, if people would take care of their disks then whether or not they're easily scratchable is moot. My disks are still in quite superb condition.

yep, only a tool can scratch dvds. my seven year old son manages to change discs on my 360 without damaging because i have shown him how to look after our stuff.
#156 Posted by timmy00 (15360 posts) -

Don't see how this is an issue really.

#157 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Well then, that's not the format's fault but the blu-ray reader's fault in the PS3. I kept my old PS2 games as good condition as possible but it still has scratches, can't believe lemmings are coping with a format that can easily get scratched and with a console that actually scratches discs.Stevo_the_gamer
Console doesn't scratch disks unless someone is a dumbass and moves the console while the disk is spinning; secondly, if people would take care of their disks then whether or not they're easily scratchable is moot. My disks are still in quite superb condition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ

Several stationary xbox360's scratching discs in a test performed by a dutch consumer watchdog. This watchdog actually got Microsoft to replace RROD's for free, because consumer watchdogs ineurope would sue the sh*t out of Microsoft, unlike the p*ssy-ass consumers in USA.

#158 Posted by rjdofu (9170 posts) -
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"][QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] With PSN, I can download a close to 1.3 MB/s...which is just fine by me. Steam has a higher speed cap but it can also be hampered by the "The Steam servers are too busy at the time, try again later" error.

Damn, I wish mine would be that fast :(, took me forever to download my inFamous 2. My PC normally outspeed my PS3 by a huge margin, no idea why.

Well yeah, folks in the U.S.A. always jump on PSN being slow...but the whole goddamn infrastructure of internet in the USA is the culprit. I used to dowload on with a speed of 3.3 MB/s on Steam, till I got a slower and cheaper internet provider. It's still ok though.

Not in USA though, Australia is even worst :P
#159 Posted by dommeus (9325 posts) -

Link.

I've argued with Lems saying the reason that DVD was a big mistake from Microsoft and they refused. Now look at this! :lol:

It's getting out of hand now.

GamerwillzPS
Truly. So out of hand, lol
#160 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

Link.

I've argued with Lems saying the reason that DVD was a big mistake from Microsoft and they refused. Now look at this! :lol:

It's getting out of hand now.

GamerwillzPS

why is it a mistake?

#161 Posted by The_Game21x (26342 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] You want to say blu-ray is inferior to DVD's? Anyone that can do math will say blu-ray is better, and the fact that the coating on a blu-ray is much more resilient to scratching seals the deal.DrTrafalgarLaw
*Blu-ray in PS3* has proven to be (on a number of occasions) quite inferior thanks the poor hardware powering it, and the slow-reading time. On other rare cases, it has been shown to be quite capable at giving the DVD a run for its money and then some thanks to its large storage capacity allowing for additional content (free games), or higher quality audio and more languages. ;D

Well then, that's not the format's fault but the blu-ray reader's fault in the PS3. I kept my old PS2 games as good condition as possible but it still has scratches, can't believe lemmings are coping with a format that can easily get scratched and with a console that actually scratches discs.

And if you don't...you know...move your console while it's playing a game, the discs don't get scratched. I've owned a 360 since January of 2006 and I've never had one of my discs scratched by the console.

To that same end, I've never once scratched a game to the point of it being unreadable either and most of the game discs in my posession that weren't bought used are in pristine condition, even after dozens of hours of playing time. Maybe you just need to get better at handling your games properly. :?

#162 Posted by dommeus (9325 posts) -

Don't see how this is an issue really.

timmy00
system wars
#163 Posted by clyde46 (46312 posts) -
[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Well then, that's not the format's fault but the blu-ray reader's fault in the PS3. I kept my old PS2 games as good condition as possible but it still has scratches, can't believe lemmings are coping with a format that can easily get scratched and with a console that actually scratches discs.

Console doesn't scratch disks unless someone is a dumbass and moves the console while the disk is spinning; secondly, if people would take care of their disks then whether or not they're easily scratchable is moot. My disks are still in quite superb condition.

Agreed. I went loopy when my friend returned my Saints Row disc with a scratch in it. He bought me a new one.
#164 Posted by delta3074 (18308 posts) -

[QUOTE="rjdofu"][QUOTE="Giancar"]Meh, 2 discs are nothing Now, if you had to swap discs every time you get into an area That would be something to be angry forDrTrafalgarLaw

Total swap disc time combined still <<< than waiting for mandatory install :cool:

It takes you out of the immersion, on PS3...you install it once and be done with it...on 360, as a 360 owner you'd need to move that fat ass out of the crater of what was once called a couch or bed, strain a few hamstrings and a few gluteus muscles along the way to your console due to the sudden increase in weight that needs to be supported, strain your biceps while opening the CD case, possibily injure yourself with cuts while grabbing the DVD, put it in your console and break your couch or bed that you fall back on due to the immense overweight body again. All in the while of being lifted out the immersion of the game. When you're done huffing and wheezing and got renergized by a 40z Coke bottle and some energy bars, press X to continue.

With PS3: Install and play away, you can keep the disc in there forever and finish the game without moving a inch from your position, being immersed in the game the whole time. It's not even know if mandatory installs are re uired.

thats the point though, according to the article there is no mid game swapping of disks in AC3 'Pressed on whether Assassin's Creed 3 simply comprises a one-time disc-swap half-way through the game, Cooper added: "No, it's not even that. We won't talk about how it's done... but don't worry about it, you won't be jumping back and forth."' So it's not even a single disc change halfway through what would you say it is? Clue; RE6 comes on two disks but you don't have to swap the discs in game OR swap the discs to access multiplayer
#165 Posted by Stevo_the_gamer (42906 posts) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ

Several stationary xbox360's scratching discs in a test performed by a dutch consumer watchdog. This watchdog actually got Microsoft to replace RROD's for free, because consumer watchdogs ineurope would sue the sh*t out of Microsoft, unlike the p*ssy-ass consumers in USA.

DrTrafalgarLaw

Interesting video. Extremely outdated, and a failure to take into account the many variations of DVD drives in the Xbox 360 rather hurts its credibility considerably now.

Secondly, you're a complete dumbass if you think Americans aren't sue-happy. :lol:

#166 Posted by clyde46 (46312 posts) -
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="rjdofu"] Total swap disc time combined still <<< than waiting for mandatory install :cool:delta3074

It takes you out of the immersion, on PS3...you install it once and be done with it...on 360, as a 360 owner you'd need to move that fat ass out of the crater of what was once called a couch or bed, strain a few hamstrings and a few gluteus muscles along the way to your console due to the sudden increase in weight that needs to be supported, strain your biceps while opening the CD case, possibily injure yourself with cuts while grabbing the DVD, put it in your console and break your couch or bed that you fall back on due to the immense overweight body again. All in the while of being lifted out the immersion of the game. When you're done huffing and wheezing and got renergized by a 40z Coke bottle and some energy bars, press X to continue.

With PS3: Install and play away, you can keep the disc in there forever and finish the game without moving a inch from your position, being immersed in the game the whole time. It's not even know if mandatory installs are re uired.

thats the point though, according to the article there is no mid game swapping of disks in AC3 'Pressed on whether Assassin's Creed 3 simply comprises a one-time disc-swap half-way through the game, Cooper added: "No, it's not even that. We won't talk about how it's done... but don't worry about it, you won't be jumping back and forth."' So it's not even a single disc change halfway through what would you say it is? Clue; RE6 comes on two disks but you don't have to swap the discs in game OR swap the discs to access multiplayer

So we looking at a Forza like system where they have extra content on the second disc that you one time install before you start playing?
#167 Posted by delta3074 (18308 posts) -

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] Well then, that's not the format's fault but the blu-ray reader's fault in the PS3. I kept my old PS2 games as good condition as possible but it still has scratches, can't believe lemmings are coping with a format that can easily get scratched and with a console that actually scratches discs.DrTrafalgarLaw

Console doesn't scratch disks unless someone is a dumbass and moves the console while the disk is spinning; secondly, if people would take care of their disks then whether or not they're easily scratchable is moot. My disks are still in quite superb condition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ

Several stationary xbox360's scratching discs in a test performed by a dutch consumer watchdog. This watchdog actually got Microsoft to replace RROD's for free, because consumer watchdogs ineurope would sue the sh*t out of Microsoft, unlike the p*ssy-ass consumers in USA.

it's a danger with any console that uses a tray loading CAV drive, it's not a problem unique to the 360, Ps2 had the same problem if you bumped or moved the console as well,lol
#168 Posted by delta3074 (18308 posts) -
[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] It takes you out of the immersion, on PS3...you install it once and be done with it...on 360, as a 360 owner you'd need to move that fat ass out of the crater of what was once called a couch or bed, strain a few hamstrings and a few gluteus muscles along the way to your console due to the sudden increase in weight that needs to be supported, strain your biceps while opening the CD case, possibily injure yourself with cuts while grabbing the DVD, put it in your console and break your couch or bed that you fall back on due to the immense overweight body again. All in the while of being lifted out the immersion of the game. When you're done huffing and wheezing and got renergized by a 40z Coke bottle and some energy bars, press X to continue.

With PS3: Install and play away, you can keep the disc in there forever and finish the game without moving a inch from your position, being immersed in the game the whole time. It's not even know if mandatory installs are re uired.clyde46
thats the point though, according to the article there is no mid game swapping of disks in AC3 'Pressed on whether Assassin's Creed 3 simply comprises a one-time disc-swap half-way through the game, Cooper added: "No, it's not even that. We won't talk about how it's done... but don't worry about it, you won't be jumping back and forth."' So it's not even a single disc change halfway through what would you say it is? Clue; RE6 comes on two disks but you don't have to swap the discs in game OR swap the discs to access multiplayer

So we looking at a Forza like system where they have extra content on the second disc that you one time install before you start playing?

Thes econd disk for resident evil 6 is juat non-english voice overs for the game, if you are French, Spanish, German or italian you have to install the 2nd disc to your HDD if you understand english it's a useless disk quite frankly.
#169 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ

Several stationary xbox360's scratching discs in a test performed by a dutch consumer watchdog. This watchdog actually got Microsoft to replace RROD's for free, because consumer watchdogs in europe would sue the sh*t out of Microsoft, unlike the p*ssy-ass consumers in USA.

Stevo_the_gamer

Interesting video. Extremely outdated, and a failure to take into account the many variations of DVD drives in the Xbox 360 rather hurts its credibility considerably now.

Secondly, you're a complete dumbass if you think Americans aren't sue-happy. :lol:

Yeah, but no one made a big fuss out of it for M$ in USA to actually acknowlegde the problems, it took a watchdog from a small population of 16 million people to actually get things done. I'm sure the xbox slim has fixed that problem mostly, but that video is still accurate. If you own a old 360, that miracilously hasn't RROD yet (I believe Jasper and Falcon models), it scratches discs while being STATIONARY. This myth of a xbox not scratching discs has to go. For starters,

I can't even believe a consumer would buy a product that DESTROYS a $60 investment when it slightly moves or shocks. The slims even have a warning-sticker ffs. That aside, I can't even believe the apologists saying it's okay if you don't move it. A product should not destroy your discs AT ALL.

And my PS2 games still work fine, they have small scratches...but this only is a testament to how easily it could go wrong with DVD(9).

#170 Posted by tenaka2 (17040 posts) -

lol diskswapping, reminds me of the old Amiga days :D

#171 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Console doesn't scratch disks unless someone is a dumbass and moves the console while the disk is spinning; secondly, if people would take care of their disks then whether or not they're easily scratchable is moot. My disks are still in quite superb condition.delta3074

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ

Several stationary xbox360's scratching discs in a test performed by a dutch consumer watchdog. This watchdog actually got Microsoft to replace RROD's for free, because consumer watchdogs ineurope would sue the sh*t out of Microsoft, unlike the p*ssy-ass consumers in USA.

it's a danger with any console that uses a tray loading CAV drive, it's not a problem unique to the 360, Ps2 had the same problem if you bumped or moved the console as well,lol

Yet it took Microsoft 4-5 years to acknowledge that. Their first mistake was using non-cushioned disc lasers, their second one is upfront lying to their customers about it not scratching discs. Their third one was making a revision that could still scratch discs. You know, fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice...

#172 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -

lol diskswapping, reminds me of the old Amiga days :D

tenaka2

I'd take a Amiga over a 360 any day. :cool:

#173 Posted by delta3074 (18308 posts) -

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQSNmpXdIfQ

Several stationary xbox360's scratching discs in a test performed by a dutch consumer watchdog. This watchdog actually got Microsoft to replace RROD's for free, because consumer watchdogs ineurope would sue the sh*t out of Microsoft, unlike the p*ssy-ass consumers in USA.

DrTrafalgarLaw

it's a danger with any console that uses a tray loading CAV drive, it's not a problem unique to the 360, Ps2 had the same problem if you bumped or moved the console as well,lol

Yet it took Microsoft 4-5 years to acknowledge that. Their first mistake was using non-cushioned disc lasers, their second one is upfront lying to their customers about it not scratching discs. Their third one was making a revision that could still scratch discs. You know, fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice...

i can honestly say i have not had one scratched disk across 4 different xbox 360's.
#174 Posted by Microsoft1234 (7674 posts) -
end of the world :(
#175 Posted by SecretPolice (22071 posts) -

[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="delta3074"]thats the point though, according to the article there is no mid game swapping of disks in AC3 'Pressed on whether Assassin's Creed 3 simply comprises a one-time disc-swap half-way through the game, Cooper added: "No, it's not even that. We won't talk about how it's done... but don't worry about it, you won't be jumping back and forth."' So it's not even a single disc change halfway through what would you say it is? Clue; RE6 comes on two disks but you don't have to swap the discs in game OR swap the discs to access multiplayerdelta3074
So we looking at a Forza like system where they have extra content on the second disc that you one time install before you start playing?

Thes econd disk for resident evil 6 is juat non-english voice overs for the game, if you are French, Spanish, German or italian you have to install the 2nd disc to your HDD if you understand english it's a useless disk quite frankly.

So, as usual in SW...

rman4481l.jpg:P

#176 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4440 posts) -
[QUOTE="DrTrafalgarLaw"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]it's a danger with any console that uses a tray loading CAV drive, it's not a problem unique to the 360, Ps2 had the same problem if you bumped or moved the console as well,loldelta3074

Yet it took Microsoft 4-5 years to acknowledge that. Their first mistake was using non-cushioned disc lasers, their second one is upfront lying to their customers about it not scratching discs. Their third one was making a revision that could still scratch discs. You know, fool me once...shame on you...fool me twice...

i can honestly say i have not had one scratched disk across 4 different xbox 360's.

I believe you, but not everyone is that lucky. Go to your local GameStop or other videogame rental, they have a whole section of scratched or unusable 360 discs.
#177 Posted by tormentos (18134 posts) -

oh wow such an inconvenience....:roll:

Still MGS4 wins in being an inconvieniece tbh i would rather have multiple disks than multiple installs.

/inb4 im a lemming cause i disagree.

razgriz_101

The only difference is that MGS4 is just one game,and the only one that work on that horrible way as well.

There are multiple 360 games with this problem and it will continue.

#178 Posted by tormentos (18134 posts) -

i can honestly say i have not had one scratched disk across 4 different xbox 360's.delta3074

4 different xbox.?

Wow and they pretend like RROD and resells have not blown up the xbox 360 user base.

#179 Posted by CaseyWegner (70104 posts) -

[QUOTE="razgriz_101"]

oh wow such an inconvenience....:roll:

Still MGS4 wins in being an inconvieniece tbh i would rather have multiple disks than multiple installs.

/inb4 im a lemming cause i disagree.

tormentos

The only difference is that MGS4 is just one game,and the only one that work on that horrible way as well.

There are multiple 360 games with this problem and it will continue.

why is it a problem?

#180 Posted by getyeryayasout (7536 posts) -
ZOMG! No...please God no...not multiple discs! Gotta be the lamest argument going in SW. Remind me again, what disc formats were affordable and available when they designed the 360 back in 2003ish?
#181 Posted by OneInchMan99 (1127 posts) -

I believe the PS3 version has exclusive content as well.Superior version comfirmed.Probably be the same with Far Cry 3.

#182 Posted by FastEddie2121 (3081 posts) -

Really? This tired topic? Nine pages?

edit: just tipped it to 10

#183 Posted by Michael0134567 (28651 posts) -

Wow, that must mean the Xbox 360 version is inferior. Seriously, I don't care and I play Final Fantasy XIII on the 360.

#184 Posted by Caseytappy (2141 posts) -

Oh noes 2 discs, the horror !

Cow awakens from 4 year Coma and spots something for the first time .

TLHBO !!!

#185 Posted by Sushiglutton (5306 posts) -
AC3 is almost a PS3 exclusive. Coming late to PC/Wii-U and the X360 version is apparently almost unplayable. So yeah GOTY ps3 exclusive ones more!
#186 Posted by Caseytappy (2141 posts) -

After exclusive unplayable versions of GTA4 , RDR , Skyrim and Bayonetta they probably are entitled to it !

#187 Posted by Blackbond (24501 posts) -

In all honest a new xbox should have been put out a year ago so this shouldn't even have been an issue

#188 Posted by tormentos (18134 posts) -

why is it a problem?

CaseyWegner

So is not on your eyes having to switch disc on Mass Effect 3 as much as 10 times.?

#189 Posted by AdobeArtist (22898 posts) -

Swapping a disc takes all of... 3 seconds!! How long are those mandatory installs again? ;)

#190 Posted by delta3074 (18308 posts) -

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i can honestly say i have not had one scratched disk across 4 different xbox 360's.tormentos

4 different xbox.?

Wow and they pretend like RROD and resells have not blown up the xbox 360 user base.

i have never bought a replacement 360 and RROD replacements Have never been counted as a sale, try harder dude
#191 Posted by delta3074 (18308 posts) -

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

why is it a problem?

tormentos

So is not on your eyes having to switch disc on Mass Effect 3 as much as 10 times.?

you don't have to switch the disk 10 times on ME3,it's about 3-4 times the entire game, 2-3 swaps in the first couple of hours and then a swap back to disk one at the end of the game, actually play the game on 360 before makeing false baseless comments dude
#192 Posted by Sushiglutton (5306 posts) -

Swapping a disc takes all of... 3 seconds!! How long are those mandatory installs again? ;)

AdobeArtist
It's perfect while making dinner. I barely have time to slice up a salmon and a couple of shrimps, much less form the rice and voila it is done. However having to swap disks jumping from tree branch to tree branch completely disrupts the flow of the parkour system.
#193 Posted by coasterguy65 (5973 posts) -

A one time disc swap never bothers me. It's when you have to go back and forth between discs like the idiots at Bioware did on ME3, and to a lesser extent ME2.

I'll gladly take a one time disc swap over a 20 minute install followed by a 10 minute update on the PS3. I'm not sure if AC3 is having a mandatory install or not though.

BTW whatever happened to the hour of bonus gameplay for AC3 that the PS3 fanboys were on here bragging about a month or so ago? Is it still happening or what?

#194 Posted by AdobeArtist (22898 posts) -

[QUOTE="delta3074"]i can honestly say i have not had one scratched disk across 4 different xbox 360's.tormentos

4 different xbox.?

Wow and they pretend like RROD and resells have not blown up the xbox 360 user base.

More like you (and others) pretend the warranty doesn't exist and far more gamers did NOT have to spend any money to fix or replace their unit.

Way to use logic there :P

#195 Posted by todd2r_Partdeux (780 posts) -

Swapping a disc takes all of... 3 seconds!! How long are those mandatory installs again? ;)

AdobeArtist
I love the mandatory installs. It gives you time to get the rope ready so you can hang yourself for buying the failstation 3.
#196 Posted by Plagueless (2569 posts) -

Link.

I've argued with Lems saying the reason that DVD was a big mistake from Microsoft and they refused. Now look at this! :lol:

It's getting out of hand now.

GamerwillzPS

How was MS supposed to put something in their console that didn't exist at the time? :roll:

Even with DVD, swapping discs>>>mandatory installs. I like my limited hard drive space for my console to be used for what I want, not for huge GB worth of installs for games that get played once.

#197 Posted by AdobeArtist (22898 posts) -

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Link.

I've argued with Lems saying the reason that DVD was a big mistake from Microsoft and they refused. Now look at this! :lol:

It's getting out of hand now.

Plagueless

How was MS supposed to put something in their console that didn't exist at the time? :roll:

Even with DVD, swapping discs>>>mandatory installs. I like my limited hard drive space for my console to be used for what I want, not for huge GB worth of installs for games that get played once.

What are you talking about? Stand alone Blu Ray players were already on the market in 2005. It's only the PS3 that launched a year later.

#198 Posted by GamerwillzPS (8530 posts) -

Just came back from being out all day and found this thread ended up in 10 pages. :lol:

Yep, lems are on to something... Always trying to defend their inferior console.

#199 Posted by AdobeArtist (22898 posts) -

Just came back from being out all day and found this thread ended up in 10 pages. :lol:

Yep, lems are on to something... Always trying to defend their inferior console.

GamerwillzPS

You can't seem to handle actual facts refuting your flawed claims :P

#200 Posted by GamerwillzPS (8530 posts) -

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Link.

I've argued with Lems saying the reason that DVD was a big mistake from Microsoft and they refused. Now look at this! :lol:

It's getting out of hand now.

Plagueless

How was MS supposed to put something in their console that didn't exist at the time? :roll:

Even with DVD, swapping discs>>>mandatory installs. I like my limited hard drive space for my console to be used for what I want, not for huge GB worth of installs for games that get played once.

Talking about ignorance... Read what AdobeArtist said.