Are Naughty Dog better Valve

You guys do know that valve has actually made very few games right? Valve takes other peoples products they created and brands them as valve products. They take previously made games and shit out an inferior sequel themselves. Valve doesn't really make dick.

Most of "valves" games are mods others made and valve just redid and slapped their name on it.

Left 4 dead - Made by turtlerock studios.

DOTA2 - Originally a mod for warcraft 3 that they redid.

Counter strike - Another mod they redid.

Portal - Made by students at digipen technically institute

Team fortress 2 - Yet another game started as a mod that they redid.

Ricochet - Another mod.

Alien swarm - Another mode remade

Day of defeat source - Another mod originally.

So really all valve has actually created originally and made all on their own is half life 1 and half life 2. Everything else they have done is they took someone elses work and re-did it or they just made a sequel which was worse than original like left 4 dead 2.

So I say naughty dog is the better developer by far.

i say naughty dog because valve doesnt release the games you want in a timely manner lol. so people have been waiting for half life 3...they release everything else but that game.

Why are we comparing two completely different game developers?

ND and Valve are both great, for different reasons.

Valve has to be the most overrated dev in history, but they certainly have been around longer and done quite a bit more.

Valve has been around for a long time and have an excellent track record. I think the worst game they ever made was HL2:Ep 1, which is saying something. ND has made all stellar games so far but so has Rocksteady, I'd put both of these devs at the same level. But Valve is still in much higher level, they've proven they are masters at single player, co-op and multiplayer games. They've made not only FPS but now have made an RTS style game in DOTA 2. They are the best developer by far in the industry IMHO.

@Gargus: Those are great points, but I'd argue that all devs steal ideas. If you look at Uncharted for example, the idea was obviously stolen from Tomb Raider, with a dash of GoW.

They are bad points. Valve bought them, they are apart of Valve. It is Valve.

In the end, does it really matter? Are any of you going to stop playing one companies games if the lose the poll?

My friend,. Before hand, most of us already new the truth. However, for the nonbelievers, those would would say otherwise, it needed clarified. It has been clarified. Justice has prevailed.

I'm surprised Valve won a poll here, its an extremely casual forums (CoD wins almost every poll).

That says A LOT.

Valve is a better company, ND makes better games.

"The skill" ..... stop pretending like you understand how much effort a software project takes. VAlves game's require constant updates, rebalances, new contents, new features are always in demand, tournament infrastructure.

A flashy linear TPS ... yea because graphically impressive linear shooters are soooo rare and unusual, so much skill ....

Of Course, I cant insult any programmer or artist because they are great.... but get your head out of the gutter. MP games require far more effort than this tripe, especially ones as big as DoTA and Counter-Strike ... let alone TF2.

.... ignoring the fact that 4 of those games... were only possible because of the tools and resources valve provided to the community. WHY THE HELL DOES THAT MATTER? fact of the matter is, when valve takes over, the games turn from "good mod" to "gold".

Tell me why that is different from naughty dog making an indiana jones clone with about 6 different characters, 1 track gameplay with no variety? then cashing in on the zombie fad with the same game altered?

Unbelievable .... an idea is just that, it doesn't change the fact that they took those games, developed them from the ground up into incredible game experiences.

And to the idiot that mentioned "I.P theft" regarding DoTA ...... the friggin guy (Ice Frog) approached Valve.... at the time, they were the only one smart enough to go "This deserves a fully fledged release.... one of the biggest most competitive mods in the world."

Meanwhile riot games dumbed down the entire genre, forcing you to farm 1000s of games for content and has the production values literally of warcraft 3.

such a stupid argument.

The idea is just part of the development.... you tools.

The young people can't win on logical arguments so they must come up with magical cop out bullshit. Very sad indeed.

I swear I feel like I am losing some I.Q points by reading this crap....

And all it proves is that Valve won an opinion contest.

My friend, the original post states this is factually the definitive answer. Everyone participating must accept the terms of service agreement.

Valve has more high rated games....

Making online FPS games on an engine they've had for over a decade is far easier than what ND is doing. They had to build a new engine, utilizing difficult architecture. They are a big part of the ICE team that figured out ways of utilizing the CELL, and helping other devs. They made movie-like games with great animation, graphics, sound, dialog, and awesome action sequences you actually play instead of being a cutscene like the old days.

ND is a far better game developer than Valve. ND is willing to go different paths and learn more, while Valve stay safe and simple. When it comes to game development there are alot of devs that I would put in front of Valve.

ND make 5 hour long rental TPS games.

Valve define genres.

Its easy.

Valve revolutionized digital distribution, story telling, modding, physics, indie gaming, puzzle games, competitive gaming, crowd funding e.t.c....

Naughty Dog made two third person shooters that rip off movies,

So risky.

Naughty Gods is clearly better valve keeps making the same boring ass FPS games with boring characters they suck just like TC's poll options

HL, Portal, LF4, Valve, TF2, Counstrike, Dota

They each couldn't be more different than the other.

Meanwhile, naughty dog excels at quick time events and non gaming.

bunch of FPS and valve didn't create dota it was made by a wow modder

naughty gods qte's are more fun than every valve game ever released hahahaha

750k+ people playing valve games right now disagree.... gotta laugh at all the second hand TLOU/UC dead MP 8 hour campigned dust collectors.

Can't you post your comment without resorting to insults? Getting tired of seeing Santa on the naughty list...

750k ppl with horrible taste but then again cant blame em valve sp sux hahahaaha

by that logic activision and blizzard must ownzor every valve game and are the best devs eva!!!

miright?!

@uninspiredcup: Sure, Valve has done some great stuff for PC gaming, except game development. So as for developing games, ND is better. It's not exactly easy making games that "rips of movies".

If all developers could just make one game engine and use that for over a decade, in the same type of games, with a few mods, and steal games from others and sell it as they're own, games would not have evolved at all.

Dota2 is valve.

Valve has more high rated and higher played games atm...

Tough luck, Santa Gaben gets annoyed at ignorance and mis-information.

Valve won. Enough crying please. We've had enough floods here in the UK already.

How can you even compare the two?

Valve has its hands in a lot of things, and is basically pioneering what's possible in the F2P space, creating their own operating systems and gaming peripherals and social networking community, and runs/develops a store that sells the majority of PC games. In addition to making some of the most memorable and legendary games of the last 20 years.

Naughty Dog as made some really good to great games over the years, but that's about it.

It's like comparing Charles Barkley to Michael Jordan. Charles was amazing and one of the all-time greats, but Michael Jordan is a fucking enterprise with his statue outside of an arena.

No one outside America knows who Micheal Jordan is beyond space jam.

is that a joke?

Nice one.

wtf

@uninspiredcup: Disagree obviously, it's like like someone coming in at the tail-end of a project and claiming credit. LFD and Portal were not Valve ideas, but they made both of those games much better and then improved on it in sequels...LFD2 and Portal 2 are masterpieces.

The concepts within these games are. And the team who made them are (or where) apart of Valve. Being a great talent spotter and giving an open ended approach to games is creative. It's what helps put them on the map. Everyone does it, including Naughty Dog. Attempted to call out Valve like it's somehow a negative, is laughable.

Look at EA. All the companies that became apart of it. Look how they turned out. Many people claim Bioware are dead. Bullfrog, Crytek e.t.c... They worked for EA, under EA's wing. These people become apart of Valve. That's the difference.

My friend, it's like saying simply because someone has changed there name and now have larger resources and teams working with them to produce an even better game, credit should not be given.

More to the point, what the **** have Naughty Dog done? Nothing. Just ripped off Tomb Raider and The Road.

Well done.

Still, if you keep getting reported I'll have to give you a temp ban, and I'd rather not so I'd appreciate if you could be a bit more careful with the way you word your comments =) It would save us both the trouble.

....? your a mod... with 58 posts? not sure if serious.... where does it even state mod on this new terribly designed forum style?

don't put your mouse over the post, it should show moderator with a purple gavel

I see... why is it not just a tag under is name... why break such fundamental U.I rules? -_-;

alright fine, I will try to refrain myself from insults... just lose patience with the level of stupidity sometimes.

Yeah, it's stupid that the tag goes away like that. In any case I'm mostly on the chat section of GS, not so much on the forums (like you've noticed from my post count =P) I normally only come over here when I get a report but I rather ask the users to change some minor stuff than temp banning them. Thank you for your understanding. And I know sometimes it's hard not to get exasperated but I still need to do my job even in those situations =)

Probably forgot to sign out and go to his alt

I also never said Naughty Dog was especially creative. Saying Vlave isn't creative =/= saying Naughty Dog is creative.

Never said that, But at least they have their own ideas internally. Calling Valve creatively bankrupt =/= calling Naughty Dog creative.

No company buys ideas to the point that Valve does. Name me another studio that has bought every major IP they've worked on since 1998. You can't do it.

And yo, if you think I'm a Naughty Dog fanboy, you have not followed my post history.

I think you just don't know much about video games. :S

Thank you for the personal warning, it is a much nicer approach than just freezing I agree :P