Are consoles becoming a big ripoff?

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#1 Posted by happyduds77 (1484 posts) -

So I just realized that in order to access 1/2 part of a game you already paid for, you have to pay another 60$per year. I don't understand how this kind of business model is even successful. I guess it's easy to fool consumers now days.

And on top of that you can build a much powerful PC for a cheaper price in the long run.

Why are consoles even relevant anymore?

#2 Edited by Pray_to_me (2875 posts) -

because no one wants to hook up a fugly ass tower to their TV. Shit most people don't even want a fugly ass tower at all. Why do you think valve is making maneuvers to make their own bootleg console?

#3 Edited by lostrib (37708 posts) -

...yeah, this will go well

#4 Posted by R3FURBISHED (10607 posts) -

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

#5 Posted by MonsieurX (30451 posts) -

@Pray_to_me said:

because no one wants to hook up a fugly ass tower to their TV. Shit most people don't even want a fugly ass tower at all. Why do you think valve is making maneuvers to make their own bootleg console?

lol htpc

#6 Edited by lostrib (37708 posts) -

@R3FURBISHED said:

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

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#7 Posted by happyduds77 (1484 posts) -

@R3FURBISHED said:

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

But that doesn't justify the fact that they're forced.

#8 Posted by R3FURBISHED (10607 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

@R3FURBISHED said:

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

But that doesn't justify the fact that they're forced.

Its the same with every offered service - if people can justify the price they will pay it.

#9 Edited by lostrib (37708 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

@R3FURBISHED said:

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

But that doesn't justify the fact that they're forced.

They gotta pay for all those servers some how

#10 Posted by Spartan070 (16359 posts) -

So basically some PC gamers wonder why console manufacturers charge for some online features while at the same time claiming that console games cost too much and that console online features aren't robust enough...

Run-on sentence aside, let's say that consoles improved the online services to near PC levels while dropping console games $10 to PC levels and simultaneously doing away with charging for PSN and XBL.

That sounds like a better business strategy to you? You think we have a lot of ads now?

#11 Edited by happyduds77 (1484 posts) -

@Spartan070 said:

So basically some PC gamers wonder why console manufacturers charge for some online features while at the same time claiming that console games cost too much and that console online features aren't robust enough...

Run-on sentence aside, let's say that consoles improved the online services to near PC levels while dropping console games $10 to PC levels and simultaneously doing away with charging for PSN and XBL.

That sounds like a better business strategy to you? You think we have a lot of ads now?

I really don't care what is the best business strategy for the console manufactures. They will do whatever possible to generate as much money as they can. I am just wondering why consumers buy these systems when they are given a better option.

#13 Posted by stationplay_4 (443 posts) -

^ what the fuck

#14 Posted by lostrib (37708 posts) -

@stationplay_4 said:

^ what the fuck

It was happening a lot earlier. Account suicide or someone is throwing a tantrum

#15 Posted by silversix_ (14794 posts) -

what the fuk^

#16 Edited by Bikouchu35 (7456 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

@Pray_to_me said:

because no one wants to hook up a fugly ass tower to their TV. Shit most people don't even want a fugly ass tower at all. Why do you think valve is making maneuvers to make their own bootleg console?

lol htpc

lol ikr, plus if its so ugly than hide it or don't get it. Peasants gonna be peasants, jk.

#17 Posted by happyduds77 (1484 posts) -

@R3FURBISHED said:

@happyduds77 said:

@R3FURBISHED said:

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

But that doesn't justify the fact that they're forced.

Its the same with every offered service - if people can justify the price they will pay it.

Like?

#18 Edited by Spartan070 (16359 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

@Spartan070 said:

So basically some PC gamers wonder why console manufacturers charge for some online features while at the same time claiming that console games cost too much and that console online features aren't robust enough...

Run-on sentence aside, let's say that consoles improved the online services to near PC levels while dropping console games $10 to PC levels and simultaneously doing away with charging for PSN and XBL.

That sounds like a better business strategy to you? You think we have a lot of ads now?

I really don't care what is the best business strategy for the console manufactures. They will do whatever possible to generate as much money as they can. I am just wondering why consumers buy these systems when they are given a better option.

The games. :/

#19 Posted by happyduds77 (1484 posts) -

@Spartan070 said:

@happyduds77 said:

@Spartan070 said:

So basically some PC gamers wonder why console manufacturers charge for some online features while at the same time claiming that console games cost too much and that console online features aren't robust enough...

Run-on sentence aside, let's say that consoles improved the online services to near PC levels while dropping console games $10 to PC levels and simultaneously doing away with charging for PSN and XBL.

That sounds like a better business strategy to you? You think we have a lot of ads now?

I really don't care what is the best business strategy for the console manufactures. They will do whatever possible to generate as much money as they can. I am just wondering why consumers buy these systems when they are given a better option.

The games. :/

So you're saying it's worth spending over 500$ for a console just for a couple of games or more?

#20 Posted by Spartan070 (16359 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

@Spartan070 said:

@happyduds77 said:

I really don't care what is the best business strategy for the console manufactures. They will do whatever possible to generate as much money as they can. I am just wondering why consumers buy these systems when they are given a better option.

The games. :/

So you're saying it's worth spending over 500$ for a console just for a couple of games or more?

It's more than a couple, I can't remember buying a console where the exclusives alone weren't worth the price of admission by the end of that gen.

#21 Posted by dxmcat (1156 posts) -

Because this is America. People dont give 2 flying shits about what is good or a value....

They just want convenient.

#fact

#22 Posted by blamix (204 posts) -

If it wasn't because of sony and nintendos awesome exclusives, ill get all my games on pc only

#23 Posted by commonfate (12469 posts) -
@dxmcat said:

Because this is America. People dont give 2 flying shits about what is good or a value....

They just want convenient.

#fact

Well it is kind of inconvenient to wait years for emulators to finally be able to play my favorite games at an acceptable level.

#24 Posted by Joedgabe (5119 posts) -

Because it cost money to maintain the servers up... the constant complaint about Sony's horrible servers for the PS3 and the slow ass downloads for things + the success of the Xbox live got them to the Pay for service motto. Is either pay 60 dollars a year or watch a shit ton of adds for everything.

#25 Edited by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

It really does irk the pc crowd that consoles are off to record breaking start this gen. Once again, they will be getting the most game of the year exclusives, while the pc boys have to settle for last place again, and begging for ports of console games.

And if you are successful, like myself, you don't need to constantly resort to sales to purchase your games, and paying for online makes no difference either.

#26 Posted by melonfarmerz (1189 posts) -

@Pray_to_me: Did you just say Steam Machines are consoles? I promise you my NZXT H440 is 10x more visiually striking than your PS4/VCR

#27 Posted by magicalclick (22836 posts) -

Ahhh the same cow argument before Sony start charging online play. Can't say much about it. I have been a XBL member back in the Xbox days playing Midtown Madness and PGR, sweet memories. It certain would be nice to play online for free, but, I am ok with 60 dollar per year. Besides, I still prefer the XboxOne + Gamefly combo. I am too lazy to look for game discounts. I have every game on Gamefly. The excessive collection helped me not playing games as often, so, it is quite nice for me.

#28 Posted by melonfarmerz (1189 posts) -

@xboxdone74: "And if you are successful, like myself, you don't need to constantly resort to sales to purchase your games, and paying for online makes no difference either."

This again? Oh my god I can't tell if you're a kid or not. What kind of adult refers to themselves as "successful"? And 10 bucks says you're not because anyone with money and common sense gets a PC. If you really want to do this, why don't we compare what we do?

Also, ya consoles are having record braking sales but they should be, since the game market is growing. Would you should do, however, is look at Steam and PC part stats. That growth blows consoles away

#29 Edited by R3FURBISHED (10607 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

@R3FURBISHED said:

Its the same with every offered service - if people can justify the price they will pay it.

Like?

Amazon Instant Video

#30 Posted by melonfarmerz (1189 posts) -

@R3FURBISHED: "if people can justify the price they will pay for it".

More like "if people are forced to pay for something, they will try to justify the price so they don't feel scammed."

#31 Posted by Jankarcop (9627 posts) -

Why consoles are a rip off

  • can not customize or upgrade. You will end up chugging along at 12 fps at sub HD by the gens end.
  • inferior online, yet you have to pay monthly for it. few dedicated servers, no mods, no competative factor, terrible all around.
  • less good+ games than PC, which are also more expensive yet shorter (2-3 hour movie games)
  • longer install times than PC, long patch cycles, no bug fixing, disc scratching, rrod, etc
  • less control types per games
  • less genres
  • worst version of multiplats which are for some reason more expensive.


Truly one of lifes biggest rip offs. It should be illegal.

#32 Edited by lostrib (37708 posts) -

@xboxdone74 said:

It really does irk the pc crowd that consoles are off to record breaking start this gen. Once again, they will be getting the most game of the year exclusives, while the pc boys have to settle for last place again, and begging for ports of console games.

And if you are successful, like myself, you don't need to constantly resort to sales to purchase your games, and paying for online makes no difference either.

Your insecurity is showing again

#33 Edited by Silent-Assasin7 (1496 posts) -

They're garbage. Hopefully Valve and their Steamboxes show everyone the advantages of open standard hardware, and not having to run 2013 era mid-range hardware for 10 years straight.

#34 Edited by remiks00 (1912 posts) -

@xboxdone74 said:

It really does irk the pc crowd that consoles are off to record breaking start this gen. Once again, they will be getting the most game of the year exclusives, while the pc boys have to settle for last place again, and begging for ports of console games.

And if you are successful, like myself, you don't need to constantly resort to sales to purchase your games, and paying for online makes no difference either.

Dude....really? I've seen you say repeat that same phrase about how "successful" you are at least 4 times now. No "real" successful adult needs that much validation. Personally, I never hate on anyone's success, but judging by your post history, you're clearly nothing more than a petty troll. Thanks for the laughs though. You're dangerously starting to sound a lot like uninspiredcup.

#35 Posted by IgGy621985 (4817 posts) -

@xboxdone74 said:

And if you are successful, like myself, you don't need to constantly resort to sales to purchase your games, and paying for online makes no difference either.

Successful at getting owned at forums? Yup, you're pretty good at that task, must say.

#36 Posted by j_assassin (908 posts) -

I think consoles are inferior to pc when it comes to online games... But those playstation exclusives though...

#37 Posted by R4gn4r0k (16647 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@happyduds77 said:

@R3FURBISHED said:

Another PC is superior to consoles so why game on consoles thread? Oh joy!

Live and PSN provide more than just the ability to play the online multiplayer portion of a given game

But that doesn't justify the fact that they're forced.

They gotta pay for all those servers some how

Ah yes, all those P2P servers need to be paid for somehow.

#38 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (16381 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

So I just realized that in order to access 1/2 part of a game you already paid for, you have to pay another 60$per year. I don't understand how this kind of business model is even successful. I guess it's easy to fool consumers now days.

What are some of the games that have this problem?

#39 Edited by SolidGame_basic (17949 posts) -

PS Plus is $50 a year and often times you can get it cheaper that that. They also give you games. Why do PC people bitch about that when many spend a crap load of money on hardware and keeping it up to date. Boggles my mind.. Not to mention that PC introduced subscription based model i.e. World of Warcraft

#40 Edited by freedomfreak (40952 posts) -

Games. Friends.

Not the fact that there are people that don't care about better performing multiplats, mods, and the other positives about PC gaming. It's something some of you have yet to realize.

#41 Edited by legendofsense (71 posts) -

@happyduds77 said:

So I just realized that in order to access 1/2 part of a game you already paid for, you have to pay another 60$per year. I don't understand how this kind of business model is even successful. I guess it's easy to fool consumers now days.

And on top of that you can build a much powerful PC for a cheaper price in the long run.

Why are consoles even relevant anymore?

I don't know which company(ies) you are referring to, but my guess is that there are a lot of mindless consumers who make that kind of business model successful. You can't really blame the company. They are just out there to make money. Blame the consumers who advocate such practices by purchasing such products.

#42 Posted by Silent-Assasin7 (1496 posts) -

@freedomfreak said:

Games. Friends.

Not the fact that there are people that don't care about better performing multiplats, mods, and the other positives about PC gaming. It's something some of you have yet to realize.

No they all just care about resolution and ROPs, apparently.

#43 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151458 posts) -

@Bikouchu35 said:

@MonsieurX said:

@Pray_to_me said:

because no one wants to hook up a fugly ass tower to their TV. Shit most people don't even want a fugly ass tower at all. Why do you think valve is making maneuvers to make their own bootleg console?

lol htpc

lol ikr, plus if its so ugly than hide it or don't get it. Peasants gonna be peasants, jk.

I don't know...I'd wager most if not all console owners have a PC....but all or most PC owners don't have a console. Seems the peasant is the opposite what you espouse.

#44 Posted by _Matt_ (8924 posts) -

@SolidGame_basic said:

PS Plus is $50 a year and often times you can get it cheaper that that. They also give you games. Why do PC people bitch about that when many spend a crap load of money on hardware and keeping it up to date. Boggles my mind.. Not to mention that PC introduced subscription based model i.e. World of Warcraft

Aaand we come to the root of the problem - World of Warcraft.

Cheers WoW, first you take my friends never to be seen again, then you make subscriptions in gaming the norm... :P

#45 Posted by LJS9502_basic (151458 posts) -

@Jankarcop said:

Why consoles are a rip off

  • can not customize or upgrade. You will end up chugging along at 12 fps at sub HD by the gens end.
  • inferior online, yet you have to pay monthly for it. few dedicated servers, no mods, no competative factor, terrible all around.
  • less good+ games than PC, which are also more expensive yet shorter (2-3 hour movie games)
  • longer install times than PC, long patch cycles, no bug fixing, disc scratching, rrod, etc
  • less control types per games
  • less genres
  • worst version of multiplats which are for some reason more expensive.

Truly one of lifes biggest rip offs. It should be illegal.

I don't think you have clue one why people choose a game console.

#46 Posted by StrongBlackVine (8418 posts) -

Another hermit whining about consoles being on top of gaming. Just enjoy your rig and don't worry about how the rest of us play our games.

#47 Posted by XboxDone74 (2047 posts) -

@lostrib: my success is showing, my son. While relying on sales, shows your failure. B-)

#48 Edited by YearoftheSnake5 (7493 posts) -

Another one of those threads...

I'm assuming you're talking about Xbox Live and Playstation Plus. My Wii U doesn't require a yearly subscription to play online. Yes, it's still a console regardless of anyone's interpretation of what a "real" console is. You get some benefits from Xbox Live and Playstation Plus, such as free games.

#49 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (13661 posts) -

The thing I don't get about Valve is why do they wana make a console ?

Wouldn't it be way more revolutionary if the worked on Remote Access ? Imagine being able to use your PC through your Television. You could then get a controller and have the console experience on on your PC through your TV.

I'm sure theres already hard ware that allows you to stream whatever is on your pc screen to your TV... All they have to do is add some form of long distance control, not just for gaming but booting and shutting down and other features like that.

#50 Posted by Bishop1310 (1109 posts) -

@Pray_to_me said:

because no one wants to hook up a fugly ass tower to their TV. Shit most people don't even want a fugly ass tower at all. Why do you think valve is making maneuvers to make their own bootleg console?

well I could build a pretty good looking micro ATX powerful machine right now if I wanted to and stick it under my tv.. for around $500 bucks..

Consoles are just convenient. If people did some research and simply built a gaming machine themselves they could easily out do these consoles.