720/PS4 will be powerful consoles.

They have to be.

Otherwise MS/Sony will lose out to PC because PC's would easily match the consoles for a similar price if they're too weak (unlike early beginning of this generation), and casuals would choose PC gaming instead of console because they can pirate the games.

Well someone has to step up.

Releasing powerful consoles in this market would be financial suicide.

Just look at how well the Vita is doing for proof.

You're going to be very disappointed.

With the way that Microsoft is going Kinect crazy & given Sony's current financial status, don't expect Durango & PS4 to be incredibly tons more powerful this time around. They're going to more or less, either match or just slightly beat the Wii U in power & graphics.

Next generation is all going to come down to exclusives & features.

Since when does the average gamer care about power?

Most gamers just want to grab the console with the games they want to play. The people who buy consoles don't contemplate between buying a console or a PC. To them a PC is not gaming platform, it's to complicated.

Your regular gamers won't bother with the PC regardless of how powerful the PS4 and Next Xbox will be. Most gamers would just stick to what they already have if they had a choice.

Most console gamers don't even view PC Gaming as a viable option for gaming. But I agree, if console do not have a signficant leap in power, building a really good PC that can play all consoles multiplats would be incredibly cheap

If consoles are weak they will be cheap. Windows alone costs 120$ for OEM. No way a gaming pc could be cheaper then a console.

I at least hope one steps up to appeal to the core, this gen the Wii sold about 90 million the PS3 and 360 sold about 120 million combined, so there is a big market for a console that is mostly about improved power.

The difference between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo is that Nintendo have several 10 million+ selling franchises that can sell the console by itself, Sony and Microsoft don't have that luxury so rely more on third party support, if one steps up and the other doesn't the weaker system could be left in the dust by third parties. APiranhaAteMyVa

I don't think any of the three are going to be left out in the next generation. And having 3rd party support won't be determined by "power."

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]I at least hope one steps up to appeal to the core, this gen the Wii sold about 90 million the PS3 and 360 sold about 120 million combined, so there is a big market for a console that is mostly about improved power.

The difference between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo is that Nintendo have several 10 million+ selling franchises that can sell the console by itself, Sony and Microsoft don't have that luxury so rely more on third party support, if one steps up and the other doesn't the weaker system could be left in the dust by third parties. Shinobi120

I don't think any of the three are going to be left out in the next generation. And having 3rd party support won't be determined by "power."

It certainly helps, unless they are extremely close then it won't matter, if two consoles pull a Wii with specs similar to current gen and the PS4 or 720 uses next gen tech then it would certainly attract more devs to cross platform with PC.

Not only that but what market will Microsoft and Sony target? if they just re-release the 360 or PS3 in a new case what is going to sell it? Sony especially don't really have a gimmick right now, Microsoft has Kinect but how much longer will people be engrossed by it on a casual level, it is selling 360's but it certainly isn't guaranteed to be selling millions for the next 10 years or so.

[QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"]I at least hope one steps up to appeal to the core, this gen the Wii sold about 90 million the PS3 and 360 sold about 120 million combined, so there is a big market for a console that is mostly about improved power.

The difference between Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo is that Nintendo have several 10 million+ selling franchises that can sell the console by itself, Sony and Microsoft don't have that luxury so rely more on third party support, if one steps up and the other doesn't the weaker system could be left in the dust by third parties. APiranhaAteMyVa

I don't think any of the three are going to be left out in the next generation. And having 3rd party support won't be determined by "power."

What I'm saying is, there won't be another Wii Vs. HD Twins situation next generation. Just because that Nintendo made the Wii weaker once & that both Microsoft & Sony made tthe 360 & PS3 stronger once doesn't mean the same thing will happen again.

What will determine more 3rd party support is larger install base, & not graphics & power. Look at 3DS & Vita. We have more 3rd party developers developing more games for 3DS than we do for Vita, even though 3DS is "weaker" than Vita. Why? Larger install base.

Most people don;t care about power.The other consoles will be slightly stronger then the WiiU or strong enough so that the power difference between the consoles are not as big as this gen.

I'm mostly a PC gamer, but I do have the consoles also...

the consoles right now are garbage, the games are bad looking. Im playing Red Dead Redemption right now, and the game is really ugly to look at. Its in bad need of some Antialiasing...

Which is the main thing I want in the new consoles, powerful enough graphics hardware to smooth out the hellish jaggies.. much better Antialiasing. So many 360 games would look so much nicer with it.

Since when does the average gamer care about power?Wasdie

It's not about whether they care about power, its about the run of the mill PC not being able to run games. If you buy a PC now it can probably run games on par or better. I fear next gen that will happen a lot faster if MS/Sony under power their consoles, plus if the power is so low there is a fear of diminishing returns.

They need to be affordable as well.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Since when does the average gamer care about power?SaltyMeatballs

It's not about whether they care about power, its about the run of the mill PC not being able to run games. If you buy a PC now it can probably run games on par or better. I fear next gen that will happen a lot faster if MS/Sony under power their consoles, plus if the power is so low there is a fear of diminishing returns.

If that is true, then why doesn't "the average gamer" use a PC to game?

I expect nothing lower than 6x current gen for everything except wiiu.killzowned24

The world will end in December.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Since when does the average gamer care about power?peterw007

It's not about whether they care about power, its about the run of the mill PC not being able to run games. If you buy a PC now it can probably run games on par or better. I fear next gen that will happen a lot faster if MS/Sony under power their consoles, plus if the power is so low there is a fear of diminishing returns.

If that is true, then why doesn't "the average gamer" use a PC to game?

I still remember everyone at school talking about PS2 graphics, me and my friend watching a video of some Nintendo conference and it was all about graphics. Before this gen (specifically about the successor to the PS2) all I heard was graphics this and graphics that, online in forums and in school.

It has never been any other way as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE="APiranhaAteMyVa"][QUOTE="Shinobi120"]

I don't think any of the three are going to be left out in the next generation. And having 3rd party support won't be determined by "power."

Shinobi120

What I'm saying is, there won't be another Wii Vs. HD Twins situation next generation. Just because that Nintendo made the Wii weaker once & that both Microsoft & Sony made tthe 360 & PS3 stronger once doesn't mean the same thing will happen again.

What will determine more 3rd party support is larger install base, & not graphics & power. Look at 3DS & Vita. We have more 3rd party developers developing more games for 3DS than we do for Vita, even though 3DS is "weaker" than Vita. Why? Larger install base.

The world will end in December.

Bigboi500

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]I expect nothing lower than 6x current gen for everything except wiiu.Arbiterisl33t69

Mid-range locked gaming PCs at best.

Mid-range locked gaming PCs at best.

nameless12345

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

Mid-range locked gaming PCs at best.

Cranler

Hence I said "at best". They'll probably put something even less costly in there. The APU + lower-end GPU rumours are likely.

You know, saying they're not is pretty f*cking stupid. It's just common sense that they'll be powerful consoles.

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Since always.

It's not about whether they care about power, its about the run of the mill PC not being able to run games. If you buy a PC now it can probably run games on par or better. I fear next gen that will happen a lot faster if MS/Sony under power their consoles, plus if the power is so low there is a fear of diminishing returns.

SaltyMeatballs

If that is true, then why doesn't "the average gamer" use a PC to game?

I still remember everyone at school talking about PS2 graphics, me and my friend watching a video of some Nintendo conference and it was all about graphics. Before this gen (specifically about the successor to the PS2) all I heard was graphics this and graphics that, online in forums and in school.

It has never been any other way as far as I'm concerned.

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="peterw007"]

If that is true, then why doesn't "the average gamer" use a PC to game?

04dcarraher

I still remember everyone at school talking about PS2 graphics, me and my friend watching a video of some Nintendo conference and it was all about graphics. Before this gen (specifically about the successor to the PS2) all I heard was graphics this and graphics that, online in forums and in school.

It has never been any other way as far as I'm concerned.

Nintendo Wii says hi

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] Gamers care about graphics. All you hear about before a new console launch is the graphics.

I still remember everyone at school talking about PS2 graphics, me and my friend watching a video of some Nintendo conference and it was all about graphics. Before this gen (specifically about the successor to the PS2) all I heard was graphics this and graphics that, online in forums and in school.

It has never been any other way as far as I'm concerned.

SaltyMeatballs

Really? Will a kid know how to work a PC?RickTophen

If that kid can use the internet browser then he can definately know how to do basic things such as install the game, update drivers once in a while or when told, and have comftorble graphic settings. I found all this stuff easy for me as kid, it was pretty much plug and play like a console.

Id rather take powerful console than wii.

Not likely considering Sony's situation at the moment.

They have to be.

Otherwise MS/Sony will lose out to PC because PC's would easily match the consoles for a similar price if they're too weak (unlike early beginning of this generation), and casuals would choose PC gaming instead of console because they can pirate the games.

SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]Since when does the average gamer care about power?SaltyMeatballs

It's not about whether they care about power, its about the run of the mill PC not being able to run games. If you buy a PC now it can probably run games on par or better. I fear next gen that will happen a lot faster if MS/Sony under power their consoles, plus if the power is so low there is a fear of diminishing returns.

Well it's pretty much a given. Gaming is suppost to have powerful graphics compared to the pervious generation and well if they don't might as well stick to this current gen consoles.

Well it's pretty much a given. Gaming is suppost to have powerful graphics compared to the pervious generation and well if they don't might as well stick to this current gen consoles.

HaloPimp978

If the GPU rumors are true then Next Gen is gonna be very disapointing...

They have to be.

Otherwise MS/Sony will lose out to PC because PC's would easily match the consoles for a similar price if they're too weak (unlike early beginning of this generation), and casuals would choose PC gaming instead of console because they can pirate the games.

They have to be or apple will release a tablet within 2 years with a wireless controller and make them obsolete.