$400 Gaming PC stronger than PS4 & 2016 Gaming PC's vs PS4

This is what I don't understand. PC gamers on here that try and pedal these really cheap builds. Thats like a car salesmen saying "You could be driving this awesome sports car", only to be find that its got a moped engine under the hood.

I understand wanting to save money, but there's such a thing as going too far.

I use a cheap PC, but not that cheap.

But a gaming PC doesn't need to be cheaper than a console. It just needs to be cheaper than a PC and a console since the gaming PC can not only do everything any old desktop/laptop can do (much faster), but can also play way more games, and play all multiplats far better than other systems can.

That's where I'm at as far as pricing goes (assuming someone wants some new hardware).

Though in reality the consoles don't seem worth it at any point. Spending $400-$500 on consoles that are getting anywhere from one to maybe two whole exclusives per year, and then spending $50+ a year to play those games online sounds like a huge waste. It doesn't seem worth it to pick up a PS4 or Xbox One even if it might cost a couple hundred more dollars for a nice gaming PC ($600-$700 is a good starting point imo).

It depends on who you talk to, most of the PC gamers who are proven consistent pc gamers in this thread are saying this is a terrible build. Im not sure who is really siding with this as a legit option. I was a pc gamer for a while before I started working on my degree again. I decided that I want to continue gaming but I didn't have the time for my PC gaming habit. I wanted something that when I need to blow off steam I can come home turn on and jump right into a game. Thats why I bough a console and thats why most people buy consoles convenience. You can argue to your blue in the face "well my pc can do that, and it can do this" but nothing beats the rapid and low maintenance of a console. Thats what makes it worth it of course this is my opinion.

at least budget in a decent psu or your pc could take a nasty dump on all your hardware, and at least a quad core cpu, no complaints about case etc im using a cheap 30 quid one but my psu was 60 quid and my latest gpu i have is a 270x so no problem with that either, as its running every thing maxed or near max at 1200p :)

my quad core cpu is low powered now a days but still better than the crap thats in the new consoles, my m8 upgraded from the intel equivalent of mine to a new i5 and he didnt notice a difference cept for some games the fps had a higher min fps, im running a phenom II 955 and all new games i have tried run good on it, so no idea why your suggesting a dual core cpu when so many games want a quad these days, and my cpu is cheap as hell, i got it in 2009 lol

I've only been there as a tourist. Sorry to hear it dude. At least the women look great.

@HaloinventedFPS said:

All from Microcenter

"But you have to Include Windows" Why don't you include the monthly fee for PSN+? $60 for Windows 7 which is equal to 1 year of PSN+

PS4 vs a high end 2016 Gaming PC

GPU: Custom 7970M vs High end Nvidia Pascal - Pascal is going to be a massive leap over current GPU's (Kelper) possibly the biggest in history, high end Kelper is already 3x faster than PS4's GPU

Pascal also comes with 5 new features, DX12, low level API like Consoles have, 2nd Generation Project Denver, a ARM CPU on the GPU, Unified Memory, NVlink, which takes away the 1 advantage Consoles have over PC, an advantage Mark Cerny loves to brag about & last but not least HBM memory, much more faster than GDDR5 memory

Who knows how much more powerful a high end Pascal GPU will be exactly, 10x faster would be a safe bet, wouldn't be surprised if it's even 15x

CPU: Custom A4-5000 vs i7 Cannonlake - Not sure on Skylake's improvement over Haswell, possibly up to 15x faster, minimum 10x faster

RAM: Unified 5GB GDDR5 vs Unified 64GB DDR4 & HBM - 30% Faster- 13x more memory

HDD: 500GB 5400RPM vs 4TB Sata Express SSD - 100x faster (Yup you read right, 100x), 8x more memory

Resolution: 900p vs 4K - Almost 6x more pixels

Also, in 2016 you could build a $200 PC more powerful than PS4, AMD's next gen APU with DDR4, PS4 will probably be $300 in 2016

From http://tech4gamers.com/amds-volcanic-islands-2-0-graphics-cards-will-equip-with-hbm-memory/

AMD's Volcanic Islands 2.0 is also equipped with HBM (stack memory).

"The next chips that come out at the end of the year will be based on the current architecture Volcanic Island with HBM memory and would wear Codenamed: Iceland, Tonga and Maui. It would then land the new architecture Pirate Island in 2015 should usher etching 20 nm."

@ronvalencia said:

@HaloinventedFPS said:

All from Microcenter

"But you have to Include Windows" Why don't you include the monthly fee for PSN+? $60 for Windows 7 which is equal to 1 year of PSN+

PS4 vs a high end 2016 Gaming PC

GPU: Custom 7970M vs High end Nvidia Pascal - Pascal is going to be a massive leap over current GPU's (Kelper) possibly the biggest in history, high end Kelper is already 3x faster than PS4's GPU

Pascal also comes with 5 new features, DX12, low level API like Consoles have, 2nd Generation Project Denver, a ARM CPU on the GPU, Unified Memory, NVlink, which takes away the 1 advantage Consoles have over PC, an advantage Mark Cerny loves to brag about & last but not least HBM memory, much more faster than GDDR5 memory

Who knows how much more powerful a high end Pascal GPU will be exactly, 10x faster would be a safe bet, wouldn't be surprised if it's even 15x

CPU: Custom A4-5000 vs i7 Cannonlake - Not sure on Skylake's improvement over Haswell, possibly up to 15x faster, minimum 10x faster

RAM: Unified 5GB GDDR5 vs Unified 64GB DDR4 & HBM - 30% Faster- 13x more memory

HDD: 500GB 5400RPM vs 4TB Sata Express SSD - 100x faster (Yup you read right, 100x), 8x more memory

Resolution: 900p vs 4K - Almost 6x more pixels

Also, in 2016 you could build a $200 PC more powerful than PS4, AMD's next gen APU with DDR4, PS4 will probably be $300 in 2016

From http://tech4gamers.com/amds-volcanic-islands-2-0-graphics-cards-will-equip-with-hbm-memory/

AMD's Volcanic Islands 2.0 is also equipped with HBM (stack memory).

"The next chips that come out at the end of the year will be based on the current architecture Volcanic Island with HBM memory and would wear Codenamed: Iceland, Tonga and Maui. It would then land the new architecture Pirate Island in 2015 should usher etching 20 nm."

Aaaaaaannnnnnnnnddddddd AMD is still shit.

@clyde46 said:

@ronvalencia said:

@HaloinventedFPS said:

All from Microcenter

"But you have to Include Windows" Why don't you include the monthly fee for PSN+? $60 for Windows 7 which is equal to 1 year of PSN+

PS4 vs a high end 2016 Gaming PC

GPU: Custom 7970M vs High end Nvidia Pascal - Pascal is going to be a massive leap over current GPU's (Kelper) possibly the biggest in history, high end Kelper is already 3x faster than PS4's GPU

Pascal also comes with 5 new features, DX12, low level API like Consoles have, 2nd Generation Project Denver, a ARM CPU on the GPU, Unified Memory, NVlink, which takes away the 1 advantage Consoles have over PC, an advantage Mark Cerny loves to brag about & last but not least HBM memory, much more faster than GDDR5 memory

Who knows how much more powerful a high end Pascal GPU will be exactly, 10x faster would be a safe bet, wouldn't be surprised if it's even 15x

CPU: Custom A4-5000 vs i7 Cannonlake - Not sure on Skylake's improvement over Haswell, possibly up to 15x faster, minimum 10x faster

RAM: Unified 5GB GDDR5 vs Unified 64GB DDR4 & HBM - 30% Faster- 13x more memory

HDD: 500GB 5400RPM vs 4TB Sata Express SSD - 100x faster (Yup you read right, 100x), 8x more memory

Resolution: 900p vs 4K - Almost 6x more pixels

Also, in 2016 you could build a $200 PC more powerful than PS4, AMD's next gen APU with DDR4, PS4 will probably be $300 in 2016

From http://tech4gamers.com/amds-volcanic-islands-2-0-graphics-cards-will-equip-with-hbm-memory/

AMD's Volcanic Islands 2.0 is also equipped with HBM (stack memory).

"The next chips that come out at the end of the year will be based on the current architecture Volcanic Island with HBM memory and would wear Codenamed: Iceland, Tonga and Maui. It would then land the new architecture Pirate Island in 2015 should usher etching 20 nm."

Aaaaaaannnnnnnnnddddddd AMD is still shit.

Your post is shit.

Why do people even propose these terrible builds, as if anyone would make them?

Until cheap, low-power graphics cards are capable of exceeding the PS4's power, no one should look twice at a $400 PC build. And that is years off (and by 2016, the PS4 will be $299 anyway).

For $600 you can put together a Pc with good quality parts with FX 6300, 8gb if ram and an overclocked 270x that's faster then 7950.

You can play a lot of Steam and other games on Ubuntu Linux which is free and can be installed without an optical drive, games on Linux is growing fast.

Examples of Steam Games on Linux - The Witcher 2, Left For Dead 2, Portal 2, Football Manager 2014, Metro Last Light, Amensia.

Its not bad still more game choice than current generation consoles

The cost of such GPU was astronomical.

This gen we arent seeing anything similar to last gen GPU wise.... The Bone ought to have at least a 290 imagine how the games would have looked like...

But it doesnt. MS/Sony didnt want to make $700/$800 machines and sell them at $400-$500....Oddly last gen they wanted and they did...and the gen before that....

Now you say that doesnt matter? That a 290 in an Xbone/PS4 would have made no difference? I seriously doubt that.

That's what I said. A real PC Gamer will always pay more then $400 to build their gaming rig. No real PC gamer would build one for $400 or less. That's just dumb. I wish I had the money to finish building mine.

so what's the monetary cut off to be a PC gamer?

I guess we should ask the poor PC dominated countries...The rich countries just love their cheap consoles....go figure...

@blackace: These build aren't meant for experienced PC gamers, if that's what you mean by "real" PC gamers. They're aimed towards newcomers who don't want to spend a lot on their build or for kids/teens who don't have jobs and $400 is a lot for them to save.

If I were to even attempt to build this I would probably replace the MOBO with the H81M that I found from this build. It is a cheap board that allows overclocking. Although, I don't know if I would rather go with the R9-270(from this post) or the R7-260x(from the link). One is a little cheaper, while the other is a little more powerful. What would you guys suggest?

Link : http://www.toptengamer.com/top-300-gaming-pc-build/

So your method to figuring out how powerful that will be is to say well this and this are this powerful and using my math this 400 dollar thing will be this powerful?

I also love the shitty components specially the case which you picked.

This topic is 3 months old. No need to bump it.