$400 Gaming PC stronger than PS4 & 2016 Gaming PC's vs PS4

So there's is a gaming machine that is bigger than Xbox one. It's called PC.

Yeah because like once you figure out how to plug this thing in it's not like it isn't a total fire hazard already so lets overclock the ****in thing............

Anybody that dumb deserves to go to the Dwight Schrute school of fire safety.

Quad cores will probably be the minimum very soon on multiplats.

More and more pc games are priced the same as console, at least in the U.S. Far Cry 3 was $50 at launch, FC 4 is $60. GTA V, Arkham Knight, DA Inquisition, Borderland Pre, Ass Creed Unity and almost every other upcoming multiplat is $60.

You can find deals on console games too, especially on ebay where there are many reputable game seller and you don't have to worry about key code issues.

and here we go yet again hermits with their pc spreadsheet race and still not able to provide us games better looking than the order and driveclub! LOL

You heard em. They have "no wear" to hide.

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dont forget you are missing the most important part. the blueray drive. why would i get such a great gaming PC without the ability to watch my high quality blue rays. also you are missing 6 more processor cores.

Full build would be case, PSU, mobo, CPU, GPU, ram, hdd, DVD drive, KB/m, and OS.

$650 is about what it runs for a solid system. If you already have a rig from last gen then maybe $300.

On psxo you pay $200-300 for online and have no BC.

Comes down to games and controls.

there is a PSU & a DVD Drive is $20, don't need one though

@HaloinventedFPS:

How do you install without optical drive? This is supposed to be turn key.

We know psxo have online pay wall and lack BC. No reason to aim for $400. $650 with fx6300, r7 265, 1TB hdd, 8GB ram, 64 GB ssd nice mouse and full os is the way to go ATM. Better case and PSU too.

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Why the hell would you buy a cheap PC? If you building a PC for gaming, you go big or you stay in the baby pool (consoles).

USB key.

@clyde46:

How does it get onto the USB? I had to use windows image file and ms utility to make bootable USB drive. Do they sell it preloaded?

Pc gaming isnt for peasants. Stop trying to compete on price, try getting a job so you dont have to count every penny!

Is america really such a shithole that $400 is something to squabble over?? Smh

Way Off topic but over the next year I'm going to build my next gen PC to compliment my PS4, but because I don't have the money to do it all at once and saving up that much isn't an option, and I'll use parts from my pc now to fill in the gaps for the time being, so does anyone know what is the best motherboard to purchase to make sure it's future proof for the next 5 or 6 years and beyond???

No one would ever build a PC like this. Waste of money.

I still don't see why a gaming pc costing more is shuch an issue, when you factor in the fact that it does far more than a console can do.

Should i had 50-150 euros for theadditional 1-3 controllers to play with friends? You know, since you can't use older ones on next gen consoles, but can on PC? And boy, if you break one.

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This $400 build stuff needs to stop! The cpu choice in this build is really cost effective though when considering that it can easily be overclocked to well above 4 Ghz with the stock cooler. But to be absolutely sure that the pc is ahead of the ps4 in performance and that it will stay ahead for the years to come I would opt for a little more powerful hardware than the one used in this build. And you also need an os, a gaming mouse + kb and a decent psu as well.
Gaming PCs usually costs more initially but cheaper games and free online more than make up for it in the long run.

Its missing a power supply and operating system.

Also the general rule of thumb is that if the PC is just as good as the console then the console will be superior... Simply because of the low level API consoles have and more care put into console versions of multi-platform games.

That being said this can easily play Battlefield 4 at 1600x900 with medium settings at 30-60FPS... Which is what PS4 plays it at when it counts the multi-player where the settings where lowered and the framerate dips to the 30-40FPS area very regularly.

Also its sad that a console in 2014 is playing a game on medium settings at 1600x900.

Why bother with a $400 PC? A PS4 owner would have to spend more to match what a PC can do. So, it evens out in the end.

it has a PSU & PC now has console optimization, it's called Mantle & upcoming DX12

Stop saying it's missing the OS, i mentioned that at the start, can console fanboys read?

People don't understand that there's more to it than the hardware. The reason these exclusive ps4 games look leagues better than the typical 3rd party games is because of MONEY. Time and money to be more accurate. There's the hardware, but then there's also the money that buys the talent and the talent that creates the visuals.

We all know PC hardware "could be" stronger, to bad the PC games not show the same strenght...

What videos are these? I've seen 2 ps 4 fps videos and it only drops into the 30's once for a second.

Dont care, PS4/Xbone have exclusives I want to play not found on PC.

Why does the PC have to cost $400 or less? That kind of defeats one of the major draws to PC gaming. I would never build a PC that cheap. What's the point?

yet that 400 dollars piece of shit wouldn't be able to play Uncharted or any other of Naughty God's masterpieces.

Yeah, he's actually missing the O/S, Keyboard, Mouse, Power Supply Unit (unless it's in the case). I don't know any real PC gamer who would build this crappy PC to play games. No true PC gamer would, that's for sure. PS4/XB1 wins again.

it was pointed out to me that the PSU is in the case, but it's most likely super shitty (like house fire levels of shitty)

That's great and all that a cheap PC can now beat a cheap game console, but it's irrelevant really. PC hardware is always improving, game console hardware is stagnant throughout the generation with the only tweaks made to it usually being to improve efficiency, reduce heat, and reduce price.

Here's the thing. If you're going to build that PC you're going to severely limit yourself relative to PC gaming. Why would you spend $400 on a PC when you'll have to be lowering the graphics rendering, AA, and resolution for new games that come out? Unless you really want to play some of the older PC exclusives or a lot of indie games you just can't get on the consoles (and with self-publishing that's actually changing pretty fast on the consoles), you're better off getting a $400 game console.

Unlike a PC, developers build their games for the consoles. In a year or so a PC exclusive game will come out that requires a better CPU than that PC has. Then you're shit out of luck. If you buy a console, if a developer is going to make a game for that console, it will work on your console. Simple as that.

Building those ultra cheap PCs has too many downsides in my opinion. Sure $400 gets you something that can benchmark higher in a few games than a console, but why would you limit yourself like that? You're much better off doubling that investment, spending $800, and getting something that will last a few years without having to make big sacrifices. Better yet, drop like $1200 and not have a make a single sacrifice for the rest of the generation all while taking advantage of cheaper games. You'll break even sooner than you think.

A $1200-1500 up front investment for somebody who doesn't own a gaming PC is obviously more expensive than the initial $400 PS4/Xbox One purchase. However, since game prices are almost always cheaper on the PC, there is more competition to get older games for much cheaper, and there is no mandatory fees to play online like on the PS4/Xbox One, over time the PC will end up being the cheaper investment.

Or you can get a job and not be poor so you can afford all types of gaming. Arguing which is cheaper is pointless in the long run if you can afford it all. Gaming is actually one of the cheaper hobbies you can have in the long run. No travel costs and the dollar-per-hour cost is stupidly cheap compared to a lot of other activities.

That's a dual-core processor. If you had something like an AMD FX6300 that system would be a lot more solid.

Wouldn't the answer be "masochists"? Masochism would be why.

Congratulation you build like a moron..

First of Windows = PSN+ since when.? PSN+ give you 2 free games each month for PS3,PS4 and Vita at once some times even more that is 6 games per month,please do the math how much that is on PC.

Case in point Trines 2 complete story is free on PSN+ this month on Steam is $20 dollars.

So no you have to count windows,but you don't have to count PSN+ i can play PS4 games without PSN+ you can't play the majority of PC games without windows.

That case and power supply you chose,the case i don't mind my case is a cheap one,the power supply how ever is 400 watts,you do know that GPU you chose requires a 500 watts PSU right.?

It would have been awesome to see you arrive at your home to a non working GPU because you PSU doesn't have enough juice to power that R270 which is the same GPU i have.

Second that CPU mobo combo is only instore so that mean i have to get a 2 way plane ticket to US be able to buy it.

NO mouse and keyboard.

No windows.

Incorrect power supply...

Not even a cheap DVD drive.

He build like an idiot,while the CPU may be ok in certain situations do to been new haswell architecture is only 2 core,and it doesn't even have hyperthreading,so on situations where multicore is heavily use it will fall behind.

That PSU will not even power his card,it say 400 watts but is probably 380 or 350 peaks like always happen with them.

No windows,no keyboard and mouse,no DVD drive he builds like an idiot and you people should stop trying to cut corners in order to beat the ps4 is getting ridiculous,hell his mobo cpu combo can be purchase only instore that mean i have to take a freaking plane to get to buy it,hell even living in US and living 100 miles from one of those damns stores is enough to skip it,what you save in store you will spend it on gas.

Whats next you don't need an HDD a USB pendrive will do.?

1. Thanks god that MS put an extra crappy GPU in the Bone ( similar to 7770 IIRC)

2. All multiplats will be coded according to the Bone and NOT the PS4.

3. If one wants to play multiplats and non graphics wh0re exclusives can be covered with a $600-$700 PC easily.

4, Poor countries adore the expensive PC while rich ones love cheap consoles....

I would imagine the nightmare for PC gamers if the Bone/PS4 had GPUs like last gen (Xenos November 2005 similar to X1900XT)....

PS4/Xbone with R9 290 or even R9 290X....But MS/Sony went Nintendo way.... Thank god now we can game same as consoles at $400....

Can this thread end please, it hurts my Hermit soul

You will if you actually were stupid enough to buy that case,the PSU is 400 watts and your GPU requires 500 watts one.

A blu-ray one isn't $20 which is the point you are cutting corners in order to beat the PS4 for a cheap as possible and you failed,even leaving windows out,mouse and key board and Blu-ray Drive you still spend $400 and you power supply is not powerful enough to power you set up..

88% of steam or so are on a baby pool.

They outnumber you people a hell of allot to 1. lol

http://www.microcenter.com/product/431531/R92702GD5TDHEOC_AMD_R9-270_OC_2GB_GDDR5_PCIE_30_x16_Video_Card

This is the link to the card you posted that card requires a 500 watts PSU your case has a 400 watts PSU don't you get it you don't have a proper PSU for that card,is the same card i have on my PC exact same model.

Yep is a 40 watts PSU and the card requires a 500 one that is the same card i have on my PC,i could have get a 450 watt PSU for $19 but instead i got a $50 500 watts from a better brand.

That is what i went for an FX 6350 should work better with that R270.

That bold part is not true at all.

1. Exactly what does that have to do with what I said?

2. There is no real proof of that. Given the fact that machines are x86 machines, the base code doesn't matter as much. Because the PS4/Xbox One have 8 gbs of memory the graphical assets, level design, and all of that isn't really limited like it was back with 512mbs of ram. The only difference you'll really see is the graphical renderers which are pretty much separate from the assets that are being rendered. So this doesn't mean anything anymore. Coding for an x86 processor is much more like coding for all of them. This isn't the PS3/360 with their IBM made CPUs that operated very differently than PC CPUs. It's a moot issue.

3. Of course, but why the heck would you want to do that?

4. The PC market in rich countries is still extremely strong. Poor countries often don't have homes with living rooms and home theaters where a console fits. Consoles are much more an addition to an existing home theater rather than the entire experience themselves. PCs have much more relevant use and are more readily. Also in poor countries is where the majority of weaker PCs are used.

The GPUs don't really dictate the design of games, just the fidelity the game can be rendered. The PS4 and Xbox One's GPUs can easily do the necessary graphical effects to make all kinds of gameplay work. That's not an issue anymore. Even though the PS4 and Xbox One's GPUs are weaker than the high end of PCs doesn't mean they aren't capable of doing what is needed of them. Designing a game around a Titan or stronger wouldn't actually have any impact on the overall gameplay or design of the game it would just allow the developer to utilize higher resolution assets and do a lot more graphical rendering that has minimal to no impact on the gameplay.

Last gen game design was bottlenecked in two major ways. The first was the lack of RAM. There comes a point where you don't need a lot of RAM to make things work because you can utilizing streaming and other RAM saving techniques to keep the RAM useage down, but the PS3 and Xbox 360 had so little ram that these techniques were still not enough because the base pools of RAM weren't enough. Games won't be using more than 6-8 gbs of ram for years because there are so many ways of more effectively using that RAM so the PS4/Xbox One are set in that area. If they had only 2gbs of RAM it may have been a bigger issue as those RAM saving techniques like streaming still require a good size pool of available RAM to run.

The second major bottleneck last gen was how developers had to develop their engine across 3 separate CPUs. They had to develop for a 3 core IBM PowerPC CPU, a 1 PowerPC Core + 6 SPE Cell processor from IBM which used a radically different design and thus different insturction set from the 3 core PowerPC CPU in the 360, and then x86 processors on the PC. This is of course ignoring the fact that Intel and AMD CPUs work a bit differently. This is no longer and issue now since all of the platforms use x86-64 based CPUs. This makes it tons easier to develop for multiple platforms and squeeze far more life out of them. Also the whole 8 core thing helps too as games can benefit greatly from multi-core processors. Games in general don't need massive CPUs to run well, they just need to make sure their tasks are split up well, something that until multi-core processors became the norm across all of the major platforms (the PS3 was still running a single core) we didn't see enough of. Even PC games today are still being built with only 2 cores in mind, and even then they aren't super optimized for the two cores (i'm looking at you any DX9 game released today).

These notions that consoles are going to hold back PC development is really unfounded now. All of the major bottlenecks have been basically removed. Furthemore game engines have become far more robust allowing developers to easily built their games to take advantage of the different platforms without a lot of additional work. The real bottleneck holding back gaming in general is publishers and their unwillingness to invest on new ideas and their insistence to monetize everything somehow. Luckily now indies can more easily publish themselves on the PC and consoles so the big publishers will finally have more competition.

Where did you get 88% from ?

It's just sad that consoles still can't beat Crysis 3 Ultra.

I disagree with this, mostly because you are ignoring that lowering the settings on the cheap PC is basically the same experience as playing the game on a console, so that is a wash. Throw in that the PC has more quality exclusives than any of the consoles and is backwards compatible across multiple gens, and the cheap PC is a better purchase than any of the consoles. I will agree with you that an expensive PC is a much better purchase than a cheap PC.

Edit: Within reason anyway. It depends on what you call expensive. I think a little over $1000 is the sweet spot in terms of performance per dollar.

In fairness to the consoles, you needed a $400+ GPU at Crysis 3's launch to play it at 1080p Ultra settings. Even now running it at 1080p on ultra settings at playable framerates requires a GPU that costs about half of an entire console.

If you're buying a console you aren't going to be getting top-end PC graphics. Despite Crysis 3 being a few years old now, it's not like PC games look significantly better than Crysis 3 on ultra. It's still kind of the high standard and looks like it will stay that way for awhile longer.

Yes. I misread

Why is your benchmark for PC game emulating a console experience? I disagree with that being the benchmark. That's a pathetically low benchmark.

If you're building a gaming PC why would you set your benchmark to a cheap, all-in-one device built for a home entertainment system. PCs really should stand on their own for benchmarks and not even be bothered to compete with the consoles. The consoles are completely different devices that are inferior by their vary nature to the components in PCs and thus setting your benchmark to a console is missing the point. My opinion of course, but I find this whole PC vs. Console thing silly to begin with.

If you're going to be building a PC, the last thing on your mind should be "is this more powerful than a console?" The only real question you should have asked yourself before deciding to build a PC is "Is it in my best interest to invest in a PC over a console?" If you said yes that's where any thoughts of a console should end.

When you are debating on whether to get a cheap PC or a console, then the question, "is this more powerful than the console?" probably should come into play. Some people can't afford a quality PC, but that doesn't mean that settling for a console is the better alternative.

if you think America is a shit hole, you might need to get some global perspective

@tormentos: And it bothers me not one bit.