2 sepearate versions of the Nextbox incoming?

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#1 Posted by Bruce_Benzing (1742 posts) -

http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/22/report-two-versions-of-the-next-xbox

A new report suggests that Microsoft's next generation Xbox will come in two very different models.

The first is the console we're all expecting, providing true next-generation gaming experiences, while the other will be a more affordable unit aimed at the casual market. The latter is said to use Windows 8 as the basis of its operating system, and won't be able to run the latest triple-A titles, but will support downloadable casual games from Xbox Live.

So it will function more like a set-top box, or an Apple TV, allowing a greater number of consumers to experience the console's growing range of entertainment apps. Apparently, the next-gen Xbox will be an 'always on' device that starts up almost instantly, letting you resume your game with little downtime.

This latest report comes from The Verge, which cites "multiple sources familiar with Redmond's plans". (Redmond, if you were wondering, is the location of Microsoft's head quarters.) It also claims that this twin SKU approach is part of a larger Microsoft strategy to ensure that its core Xbox software is 'scalable' to run on a variety of devices. There's even talk of making it so that a phone could be capable of delivering a full Xbox Live experience. It has also looked into including licensing core Xbox functionality into television sets.

It's believed that both devices will be announced sometime in 2013 and made available before the end of the year.

Of course we lnow by default Cows will pretend it's a bad idea, unless Sony announces the same exact thing......DISCUSS

#2 Posted by silversix_ (13669 posts) -
that would be the absolute best thing they could do. all i know is, i do NOT want anything close to the power of WiiU.
#3 Posted by layton2012 (3653 posts) -
And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.
#4 Posted by silversix_ (13669 posts) -

And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.layton2012
its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

#5 Posted by dream431ca (10165 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"]And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.silversix_

its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

You would be wrong there. Kinect has made it the same and that was MS's goal when they released Kinect, to get into the casual gaming market. Having two versions would not only cause confusion. I'm willing to bet that if the casual "720" sells much much more than the hardcore "720" MS is going to drop the hardcore altogether.

#6 Posted by layton2012 (3653 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"]And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.silversix_

its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.
#7 Posted by Videodogg (12548 posts) -

I recently got rid of my xbox360 because of intense dissatisfaction, so i don't really care how many versions of the Nextbox they come out with....i am not interested.

#8 Posted by Cheleman (7616 posts) -

I recently got rid of my xbox360 because of intense dissatisfaction, so i don't really care how many versions of the Nextbox they come out with....i am not interested.

Videodogg

smart man.

#9 Posted by SolidTy (41603 posts) -

There are quite a few threads on this as it's very old SW news. Today is 11-24, and you are linking an arficle from 11-21, which was posted many times on 11-21 and 11-22 in SW.

Regarding this rumor, we'll see what happens. Obviously, I'm going to get the Premium model of the 720 given the choice at launch.

Also, Nextbox/Xbox 2 came out in 2005. We now know it as the 360.

Xbox 3, 720, and Durango are the names for the third Xbox.

#10 Posted by Zophar87 (4337 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"]And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.silversix_

its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

Uh, you didn't just imply that the Wii U and Wii U Deluxe are confusing to gamers did you?

#11 Posted by kuraimen (28078 posts) -

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]

I recently got rid of my xbox360 because of intense dissatisfaction, so i don't really care how many versions of the Nextbox they come out with....i am not interested.

Cheleman

smart man.

He's a genius.
#12 Posted by BattleSpectre (5952 posts) -

I can see many confused parents buying the wrong version for their kids xD

#13 Posted by Nuck81 (5786 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"]And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.silversix_

its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

You're in complete fanboy denial if you think Xbox is doing nothing but catering to the market the Wii created. Microsoft smelled money, and they are going fishing were the waters are clear.
#14 Posted by layton2012 (3653 posts) -

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"]And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.Zophar87

its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

Uh, you didn't just imply that the Wii U and Wii U Deluxe are confusing to gamers did you?

No, not exactly, its been said the Wii U is confusing to consumers because some thought it was just a peripheral to the Wii, but this 720 rumor would be worse because if you buy the wrong model, it will not be able to play some AAA games, whereas the Wii U models both play all games just with different memory.
#15 Posted by darkspineslayer (19370 posts) -
Can't say i would be too interested in either of the models to be honest.
#16 Posted by nitekids2004 (2979 posts) -

Microsoft doesn't seem to know who they're targeting next gen.

That's why I go with the PS brand always. You know Sony is never gonna disappoint core gamers ;)

#17 Posted by Zophar87 (4337 posts) -

[QUOTE="Zophar87"]

[QUOTE="silversix_"]its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

layton2012

Uh, you didn't just imply that the Wii U and Wii U Deluxe are confusing to gamers did you?

No, not exactly, its been said the Wii U is confusing to consumers because some thought it was just a peripheral to the Wii, but this 720 rumor would be worse because if you buy the wrong model, it will not be able to play some AAA games, whereas the Wii U models both play all games just with different memory.

Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

#18 Posted by 1PMrFister (3134 posts) -
Definitely a bad idea to split your userbase that much. It's the same reason why Nintendo never released a "Wii HD" 3-4 years despite all the theories that they would.
#19 Posted by Meeeper282 (1602 posts) -

Bet everyone in japan is excited knowing this

#20 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28312 posts) -

Microsoft doesn't seem to know who they're targeting next gen.

That's why I go with the PS brand always. You know Sony is never gonna disappoint core gamers ;)

nitekids2004
.....they don't know whom they are targeting because they are releasing 2 different versions targeting 2 different groups?
#21 Posted by nintendoboy16 (25850 posts) -

I'm sorry, but a console that doesn't play AAA games and a console that DOES? Should this rumor be true, then MS IS no doubt going to be hit with the "third console curse".

#22 Posted by nitekids2004 (2979 posts) -

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Microsoft doesn't seem to know who they're targeting next gen.

That's why I go with the PS brand always. You know Sony is never gonna disappoint core gamers ;)

WilliamRLBaker

.....they don't know whom they are targeting because they are releasing 2 different versions targeting 2 different groups?

Anyone who studied a bit of marketing knows this is going to be a disaster.

#23 Posted by PSP107 (11626 posts) -

I can see many confused parents buying the wrong version for their kids xD

BattleSpectre
Of course they will buy the cheaper version.
#24 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28312 posts) -

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"][QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Microsoft doesn't seem to know who they're targeting next gen.

That's why I go with the PS brand always. You know Sony is never gonna disappoint core gamers ;)

nitekids2004

.....they don't know whom they are targeting because they are releasing 2 different versions targeting 2 different groups?

Anyone who studied a bit of marketing knows this is going to be a disaster.

lol righttttt as compared to the disaster that was multiple sku's for both the 360 and ps3 *the supposed always core you touted* but please do remind me how is the ipad/ipod/iphone line....3 different products that use almost all the exact same software but with a few differing abilities..

but I do love the plathoria of history your drawing from... *none*

#25 Posted by El_Garbanzo (273 posts) -

[QUOTE="silversix_"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"]And people think the Wii U is confusing to consumers, this would be much worse.layton2012

its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.

I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually

#26 Posted by nitekids2004 (2979 posts) -

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"] .....they don't know whom they are targeting because they are releasing 2 different versions targeting 2 different groups? WilliamRLBaker

Anyone who studied a bit of marketing knows this is going to be a disaster.

lol righttttt as compared to the disaster that was multiple sku's for both the 360 and ps3 *the supposed always core you touted* but please do remind me how is the ipad/ipod/iphone line....3 different products that use almost all the exact same software but with a few differing abilities..

but I do love the plathoria of history your drawing from... *none*

The multiple SKUs for 360 and PS3 are a different situation. You can both play core and casual games whatever SKUs you buy.

Btw, Iphone did cannibalize Ipod's marketshare while the Ipad is a different thing altogether (tablet).

I can see the same thing happening here. Microsoft should just roll this into one system.

#27 Posted by layton2012 (3653 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="silversix_"]its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

El_Garbanzo

Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.

I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually

Yeah that makes sense blame the consumer for not knowing that a product does not play all games, it would be much easier if both skis played all games instead on one not being able to play the next big game.
#28 Posted by El_Garbanzo (273 posts) -

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Anyone who studied a bit of marketing knows this is going to be a disaster.

nitekids2004

lol righttttt as compared to the disaster that was multiple sku's for both the 360 and ps3 *the supposed always core you touted* but please do remind me how is the ipad/ipod/iphone line....3 different products that use almost all the exact same software but with a few differing abilities..

but I do love the plathoria of history your drawing from... *none*

The multiple SKUs for 360 and PS3 are a different situation. You can both play core and casual games whatever SKUs you buy.

Btw, Iphone did cannibalize Ipod's marketshare while the Ipad is a different thing altogether (tablet).

I can see the same thing happening here. Microsoft should just roll this into one system.

If the other is a small media box, focused on media features and only does some angry birds like games on the side, and the other full sized gaming console i see them a different things alltogether. If someone wants the media features, but not interested in games or to pay for a big console with expensive cpu's ang gpu's and all that then this sounds good for them

#29 Posted by Shewgenja (7982 posts) -

LMFAO! It's going to be an awfully good time here in System Wars if this turns out to be true. Watching what few first party development that MS has for it's Xbox brand get split up for different SKUs. I'm wishing MS all the luck in the world with the new casual friendly branding they are going for. The hardcore machine will be junk within a couple years if the casual SKU takes off like the Wii did. ROTFLMAO!

*cheers* to my Lemming friends. To another generation of talking more about multiplats and buying Call of Duty.

#30 Posted by El_Garbanzo (273 posts) -

[QUOTE="El_Garbanzo"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.layton2012

I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually

Yeah that makes sense blame the consumer for not knowing that a product does not play all games, it would be much easier if both skis played all games instead on one not being able to play the next big game.

If it's for peeps that dont care about games? No need for beastly gaming capabilities

#31 Posted by El_Garbanzo (273 posts) -

LMFAO! It's going to be an awfully good time here in System Wars if this turns out to be true. Watching what few first party development that MS has for it's Xbox brand get split up for different SKUs. I'm wishing MS all the luck in the world with the new casual friendly branding they are going for. The hardcore machine will be junk within a couple years if the casual SKU takes off like the Wii did. ROTFLMAO!

*cheers* to my Lemming friends. To another generation of talking more about multiplats and buying Call of Duty.

Shewgenja

No different sku's. Different products

#32 Posted by whiskeystrike (12068 posts) -

That seems like an awful lot for MS to try to do at once

#33 Posted by WilliamRLBaker (28312 posts) -

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="nitekids2004"]

Anyone who studied a bit of marketing knows this is going to be a disaster.

nitekids2004

lol righttttt as compared to the disaster that was multiple sku's for both the 360 and ps3 *the supposed always core you touted* but please do remind me how is the ipad/ipod/iphone line....3 different products that use almost all the exact same software but with a few differing abilities..

but I do love the plathoria of history your drawing from... *none*

The multiple SKUs for 360 and PS3 are a different situation. You can both play core and casual games whatever SKUs you buy.

Btw, Iphone did cannibalize Ipod's marketshare while the Ipad is a different thing altogether (tablet).

I can see the same thing happening here. Microsoft should just roll this into one system.

1.the ipod is still sold and quite successfully. 2.there is no history of this in the game industry per say. 3.and no its not really different simply put the only downside to this is possible confusion the same kind that happened with different sku's.
#34 Posted by Killzonage (408 posts) -
LOL what the hell Microsoft, no thanks.
#35 Posted by CwlHeddwyn (5314 posts) -
Definitely a bad idea to split your userbase that much. It's the same reason why Nintendo never released a "Wii HD" 3-4 years despite all the theories that they would.1PMrFister
It depends on the branding they use. If they both use the Xbox brand then it will cause issues. However if they change the name and make sure they distance both systems from each other I can see it working.
#36 Posted by BattleSpectre (5952 posts) -

[QUOTE="BattleSpectre"]

I can see many confused parents buying the wrong version for their kids xD

PSP107

Of course they will buy the cheaper version.

And then have to return and exchange it when the kiddies find out they can't play the more demanding games.

#37 Posted by delta3074 (17619 posts) -
Only on sytem wars are options a bad thing, also, only on sytem wars are people apparently 'too stupid' to know the difference between the 2 SKU's and get confused over which one they need,lol
#38 Posted by BlbecekBobecek (2680 posts) -

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="silversix_"]its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

El_Garbanzo

Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.

I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually not to touch Microsoft's concole again.

That is what they will learn Im afraid.

#39 Posted by delta3074 (17619 posts) -

[QUOTE="El_Garbanzo"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"] Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.BlbecekBobecek

I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually not to touch Microsoft's concole again.

That is what they will learn Im afraid.

nice opinion, one i don't share unfortunately cos in the Real world, the Xbox is a good console.
#40 Posted by BlbecekBobecek (2680 posts) -

[QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

[QUOTE="El_Garbanzo"]I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually not to touch Microsoft's concole again.

delta3074

That is what they will learn Im afraid.

nice opinion, one i don't share unfortunately cos in the Real world, the Xbox is a good console.

The average Joe Consumer buys xbox for his kids (of course the cheaper one), then a few months later buys the next halo because everyone talks about it and finds out it doesnt work. Do you think he will learn that there are two different kinds of xbox and he bought one that is not focused on core games blahblahblahblah, or do you think he just gets pissed and buys a Playstation next time?

#41 Posted by GamerwillzPS (8530 posts) -

Confusing customers is not a wise business decision.

It's Microsoft, not surprising.

#42 Posted by KBFloYd (12792 posts) -

2 different systems?hmmm

failosoft

my first xbox insult..lol..enjoy it cows.

#43 Posted by GunSmith1_basic (9726 posts) -
The goal of a console should be to bridge the gap between hardcore and casual gamer. This split console strategy is a bad idea. I wonder if this is because their hardware intensive console will be extremely expensive.
#44 Posted by delta3074 (17619 posts) -

[QUOTE="delta3074"][QUOTE="BlbecekBobecek"]

That is what they will learn Im afraid.

BlbecekBobecek

nice opinion, one i don't share unfortunately cos in the Real world, the Xbox is a good console.

The average Joe Consumer buys xbox for his kids (of course the cheaper one), then a few months later buys the next halo because everyone talks about it and finds out it doesnt work. Do you think he will learn that there are two different kinds of xbox and he bought one that is not focused on core games blahblahblahblah, or do you think he just gets pissed and buys a Playstation next time?

you are assuming that the consumer doesn't know the consoles limitations when he buys it, Because any gamer worth there salt should and why would he buy a console FOR HIS kids to play on it himself, No dude, too many baseless assumtions in your post, you are assuming the average customer is too stupid to know the difference which in itself is a Stupid assumtion to make.
#45 Posted by HalcyonScarlet (3806 posts) -

Well the the casual version of ht enext box could share multiplats with the Wii U, while PS4 and 720 have their own. :P

#46 Posted by delta3074 (17619 posts) -

Confusing customers is not a wise business decision.

It's Microsoft, not surprising.

GamerwillzPS
yep, because Microsoft makes really Bad business descisions right? Would explain why MS Has made a ton of profit and SONy has been losing money for the last 4 years and is on the lowest Credit rating right? Which company made the Bad business descisions? Some people really should think about what they are saying before they post, Because clearly, on sytem wars the company thats making Profit and isn't in the Red is the one that makes bad business decisions,lol
#47 Posted by MaskedPlayer (979 posts) -
[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Confusing customers is not a wise business decision.

It's Microsoft, not surprising.

delta3074
yep, because Microsoft makes really Bad business descisions right? Would explain why MS Has made a ton of profit and SONy has been losing money for the last 4 years and is on the lowest Credit rating right? Which company made the Bad business descisions? Some people really should think about what they are saying before they post, Because clearly, on sytem wars the company thats making Profit and isn't in the Red is the one that makes bad business decisions,lol

Yep microsoft make amazing business decisions.
#48 Posted by PSP107 (11626 posts) -
[QUOTE="El_Garbanzo"]

[QUOTE="layton2012"][QUOTE="silversix_"]its not confusing to gamers. 360's crowd and Wii's crowd aren't the same. soccer mom's would get confused but not a gamer that is hyped for Far Cry 3 for example. if they send the message right (its MS so it will mostly be right) it could be great.

Sure at first it won't be a problem, but once it releases Halo 5 or the next big game that even casual gamers will want, those so called casual gamers won't be too happy when Halo 5 will not work on their casual next box. It is a mistake, I don't care if this was Sony r Nintendo, this seems idiotic and will confuse consumers.

I dont see this being a problem at all. If someone buys a blu ray movie when he only has a dvd player, it's his own damn fault. Cant expect giant corporations to hold everyones hand just because some moron consumer cant tell left from right. Theyll learn eventually

Actually this is the reason why we have sales rep, its their job to educate consumers on products.
#49 Posted by Puckhog04 (22587 posts) -

Wouldn't surprise me. I'll just be buying the version with full capabilities.

#50 Posted by YoshiYogurt (5957 posts) -
More Consoles variations than exclusive games out this year!