10 million gamers bought GTX680 class

@RyviusARC: Except a 660 isn't more powerful then a PS4. And a 670 won't outperform PS4 for long.

no, video editing doesnt take uber rigs, besides if you wann do 3d design for real, you get something seriosuly powerfull like a workstation.

@parkurtommo: you would have to be an idiot with no understanding of basic math to think it's a significant number.

Console fanboys are pretty desperate to try and debunk these number using baseless assumption like pc gamer somehow keeping a collection of GPU that cost hundreds of dollars they bought last year.

Actually by the looks of it everything is made on pc. They start making games on pc a year or two ago then port it to cosnoles.

The 670 will magically become weaker than a ps4 in the next year thnx to the magic of optimization

Yep that's exactly it. A lot of these sites are pretty dead, but they still keep doing benchmarks and reviews of cards. Maybe they just buy the cards, benchmark them, and use them for personal use as well. *shrug*

How would these sites exist when nobody is visiting them it would cost money to buy the card in order to benchmark them and maintain the site.

no because they game on consoles using wireless controllers while multitasking on their pc doing heavy work during downtime or waiting for a game to load. that's how you can be productive. you can't switch between work and games on a pc it may either slow down or crash the pc. :P

Professional Graphic designers tend to get what you call a workstation.

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Dude wat? Stop talking bullshit.

Dude wut? Video editing does take an uber rig. You want to try editing uncompressed video on a dual core 2GB of ram PC.

Oh lord look at all this damage control

Multiplat devs priority is consoles.

900p/30fps and 729p/30fps console race

You really don't know how optimization works if you believe that

About half of steam will have the same performance or less plus 30 fps is smoother on console.

Atleast we have a data figure now. 10million. Not even including ATI.

What have you got? Why don't you ever post links or data, why is it always "I think"?

Annoying.

Not according to the NVIDIA CEO, watch the youtube in the OP. PC is basically driving forward all their tech. I have a feeling the same is for ATI. Just watch the vid. NVIDIA CEO > CRANLER. Are you saying he's lying? Citation?

http://www.lazygamer.net/general-news/pc-gaming-hardware-market-worth-double-that-of-consoles/

PC gaming hardware market worth double that of consoles.

You're so easy to beat in a debate. Debating101: Remember Cranler, Facts and Citation > Assumptions.

assumption that basically all this damage control has come to

1.According to the NVIDIA CEO, more PC's will run better than PS4's. Why should we listen to non-sourced information over the Nvidia CEO?

2. Half of steam is like quadruple the amount of PS4's. Damn, PC Master Race.

lol so this is your white flag I see

Yet consoles dictate the decisions of most of the major publishers.

PC's most popular games have lower reqs than even last gen multiplats.

A gpu alone can cost more than an entire console.

Still waiting for you to prove you're a pc gamer. It would take you less than a minute to screenshot the proof.

So console are dictating DLC and unfinished games gotcha

Most popular online game on console doesn't even require a next gen console to play

so is this Cranler or Cranler Roommate because of course it can't be either lol

I'm sorry. Without citation I think i'm going to have to take the word of Nvidia's CEO and research firm JPR. In the OP's video, the CEO flat out says PC is driving forward tech....the guy who owns the TOP GPU COMPANY IN THE WORLD, jesus dude. Take a HINT.

Is that sold to retailers or sold to customers.

Personally, I don't think the GTX 680 is going to run games "like butter" with this upcoming gen. So, I don't think it really matters that 10 million ppl bought a card that won't run new games @1080p 60fps. I mean...I have a GTX 680 and I can't run Farcry 3 at 1080p 60fps.

So...whatever.

you mean at max settings right? Cause my 7950 runs it at 1080p and 60fps no problem with appropriate settings. Do people really just turn up to max and live with the results instead of adjusting the game to fit their rig? I mean with some tinkering you can get some pretty amazing fidelity in far cry 3 and still never dip below 60fps at 1080p. We aren't alking low or even medium settings here either. A mix of of max and near max should do the trick. Or just turn off AA for far cry 3 because honestly for that game it's not needed because of the natural black border everything seems to have. I play all my games at 1080p and 60fps and I usually only upgrade when I feel the graphical fidelity i'm getting at 1080p and 60fps is to far away from what the game looks like at max settings. Although I'll probably end up upgrading next year anyway just because of that new hardware itch. Just waiting till we have new hardware from both Nvidia and AMD so I can make the appropriate choice.

We have no idea. Lots of production houses will buy thousands of them, benchmarkers buy lots. People who run GPU farms for various reasons buy lots. GPU's have more uses than just playing games. My 580 had trouble with that game. It was the first game that I couldn't truly max.

Haha, maybe if the 670 lowers it's power consumption after a while to save power, just as there where plasma TVs a while back that gradually lowered the contrast level as it was used to save display life but initially fool the consumer that it was a really good TV.
Console optimization is real but some people just blow it out of proportion. It's safe to say that ps4 will always be behind a gtx 670 with a decent cpu. The ps4 will eventually outperform a similarly powerful pc though, which would be a low-end cpu coupled with a hd 7850 OC.

*facepalm*

Nope, consoles are dictating how advanced games are.

Unfinished games? That's pc. Wasn't Rome 2 a total mess at launch? What about early access? Warz?

Consoles made the push for MORE content in games. Gears 2 started that.

The most popular pc shooter could run on the original xbox.

League of Legends reqs are far weaker than last gen consoles as well.

@monstersfa: and? Pc gets the best version anyway. Half of steam would have the same perfomance NOW not when they decide to upgrade that is IF they want to play those games by the looks of it those people do not aim for multiplats. 30 fps is smoother on console? WUT? I dont think you reallize how fast pc hardware is evolving, the past is not an indication of how pcs will perfom now pc will be lead and then they downgrade for consoles getting a cpu more powerfull than the ps4 is pretty much any 8 core you get and a gpu more powerfull than the ps4 is not that expensive either. In a year or two things will be far better on pc.

@clyde46: dual core with 2gb ram is as low end as it gets nowdays. You dont need freaking GTXs to edit a freaking video.

@mr_huggles_dog You joking right? a gtx 660 maxes out that game easilly.

Either way consoles are the driving force in the advancement of games.

google "30 fps is smoother on consoles"

@monstersfa: There is nothing to google 30 fps locked is 30 fps locked there is no diffirence between consoles and pc in terms of fps,

As for consoles "advancing" games... you got that right cosnoles are the reason games are samey pew pew clones and sequels, consoles are the reason games like resident evil and tomb raider turned into shooters.

This is not an advancement its a freaking disaster. Pc on the other hand drives innovation.

@dakan45: Spoken like someone who doesn't know what he's talking about. You do know that many production houses run workstations with Xeons and Quadro cards right?

Gears 2 pushed for more content in games? XDDDDD

The PS4 is around the performance of a GTX 570.

The 660 is more powerful than a GTX 570 and can be OCed to perform even better than a GTX 580.

The PS4 is already stressed and won't do any better.

This is not like last gen where devs had no clue how to work with the hardware they were given.

This gen the hardware is easy to develop games for and any disadvantages from PC api like directx will affect the CPU not the GPU.

The GTX 670 will always outperform the PS4 by quite a bit.

Just like how the 8800gt still destroys the PS3 and 360.

geez, going by these benchmarks they probably overpaid. Then again what do I know? Benchmarks don't mean much to people with 680s.

@RyviusARC: Yea I'm going to have to take the advice of devs over you and looking at upcoming games it already looks like both consoles are showing major improvements.

Sorry but it's not as simple as that. 30 fps simply looks smoother on console than pc.

I'm speaking of technical advancement. Notice how multiplats have higher reqs now than most pc exclusives.

Speaking of shooters, Borderlands 2 pc version has more players than Wasteland 2. RE 4 came out when pc was still the shooter platform.

So you're saying the CEO of Nvidia is a liar? Did you even watch the Nvidia keynote speech?

Source? Citation?................ Anything?

Cranler, time to go to Debate101 class.

Stop talking bullshit man.

All those cards can be OCed by quite a bit. The weakest ones on the list my not be a big jump in performance of the PS4 but they can perform slightly better with a good OC.

And it really is a myth on optimization for GPUs since the consoles only get a benefit from coding to metal but the directx API on PC doesn't really hurt the GPU side it's really a bad thing for CPUs but not GPUs.

That is why PCs tend to need a much better CPU to not bottleneck their games but directx has gotten more efficient over time with 11 and the upcoming 12. Directx 9 was a lot worse.

Go ahead and plug your ears. I know you don't listen to facts.

I assume that you mean Half Life 2. It runs quite well on pc with a geforce 4 ti 4200, which is about equivalent to the xbox gpu.

Oh I always listen to facts, the problem is all you did was spout some more bullshit.

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"Oles Shishkovstov: Well obviously they aren't packing the bleeding edge hardware you can buy for PC (albeit for insane amounts of money) today. But they are relatively well-balanced pieces of hardware that are well above what most people have right now, performance-wise. And let's not forget that programming close to the metal will usually mean that we can get 2x performance gain over the equivalent PC spec. Practically achieving that performance takes some time, though!"

Bu bu teh console optimzation is a myth! lmao doh k. This is coming from the guy who thinks SLI doubles the performance of your pc.

Why is the average multiplat far more demanding than the average pc exclusive? Why are all the most popular pc games technically outdated?

Google it and do some reading. Console games have some kind of smoothing effect going on.

It has sp campaign, full mp, offline mp with bots and splitscreen, horde modes. Lot's of bang for the buck. After that CoD added their own horde type mode called Spec Ops, Halo added firefight same with Uncharted. Yes Gears 2 started a good trend in gaming which is the opposite of what UT and Quake 3 did by switching to mp only.

As long as every multiplat runs and looks better on more PC's than PS4's sold, I'm alright.