Is McNabb the right QB that will solve the Raiders' problems offensively?........I doubt it :lol:
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Is McNabb the right QB that will solve the Raiders' problems offensively?........I doubt it :lol:
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The Eagles are making such a terrible mistake by getting rid of McNabb. Reid is the problem. Not McNabb. Reid wouldn't have anything without McNabb and now the organization turns around and spits on the best QB the organization has ever had? And they wonder why they haven't one a Super Bowl. What a terrible organization-Halftime-
I actually think McNabb has been the problem. McNabb can go hot then cold just as quickly. Also, he's not getting any younger and most likely has started the downward decline. Kevin Kolb did quite well in the games McNabb wasn't able to play due to injuries last season.
[QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Eagles are making such a terrible mistake by getting rid of McNabb. Reid is the problem. Not McNabb. Reid wouldn't have anything without McNabb and now the organization turns around and spits on the best QB the organization has ever had? And they wonder why they haven't one a Super Bowl. What a terrible organizationBuck_Hotep
I actually think McNabb has been the problem. McNabb can go hot then cold just as quickly. Also, he's not getting any younger and most likely has started the downward decline. Kevin Kolb did quite well in the games McNabb wasn't able to play due to injuries last season.
They're going to throw away the best QB in franchise history for a QB that's made 2 starts. 2 ****ing starts. Sorry, but Kevin hasn't proved a god damn thing in this league. In the playoffs last year, McNabb wasn't the problem. Andy Reid refused to run the ball, the offensive line was terrible, and so was the defense. McNabb was far from the problem.The Eagles are making such a terrible mistake by getting rid of McNabb. Reid is the problem. Not McNabb. Reid wouldn't have anything without McNabb and now the organization turns around and spits on the best QB the organization has ever had? And they wonder why they haven't one a Super Bowl. What a terrible organization-Halftime-I agree with you. They are absolutely "loco" like craaaaaaaazy to get rid of McNabb. Both are terrible organizations like there's no way McNabb will actually sign an extension with the Raiders even if he is traded there
[QUOTE="Buck_Hotep"][QUOTE="-Halftime-"]The Eagles are making such a terrible mistake by getting rid of McNabb. Reid is the problem. Not McNabb. Reid wouldn't have anything without McNabb and now the organization turns around and spits on the best QB the organization has ever had? And they wonder why they haven't one a Super Bowl. What a terrible organization-Halftime-
I actually think McNabb has been the problem. McNabb can go hot then cold just as quickly. Also, he's not getting any younger and most likely has started the downward decline. Kevin Kolb did quite well in the games McNabb wasn't able to play due to injuries last season.
They're going to throw away the best QB in franchise history for a QB that's made 2 starts. 2 ****ing starts. Sorry, but Kevin hasn't proved a god damn thing in this league. In the playoffs last year, McNabb wasn't the problem. Andy Reid refused to run the ball, the offensive line was terrible, and so was the defense. McNabb was far from the problem. I love you -Halftime- lol. I'm a die-hard Minnesota Vikings fan and I like the Eagles too but if they let go of McNabb they will never smell a Super Bowl let alone a NFC Championship game for a very long time. You took the words right out of my mouth.This is the way I look at it. McNabb is still a good QB. He could at least get the Eagles to the playoffs. But I highly doubt he can get the to the Super Bowl if he has to face teams like the Saints, Cowboys, and Vikings. The Eagles defense also isn't good enough right now to carry the team either. So why not trade McNabb while he still has value. They could have two Top 42 picks and three in the Top 60. With these picks they could potentially get good defensive starters. If McNabb stayed this year I think is kind of risky. At the end of the season he'll be a free agent. The Eagles will not resign him. So basically they're letting there best player go away for no compensation. This draft is stacked and they could find some good talent. Even if they did resign him, he's injury prone, if he has a season ending injury it would be really bad for his value. So his trade value would slip from a 1st-2nd round pick to a 5,6, 7th rounder. Kolb has been waiting for three years, so he knows the offense and is ready to start. The Eagles may not make the playoffs the first year with Kolb, but thats ok. He'll gain starting experience and the rookies from the draft will start to produce to. So they can make a run in 2011.LoseEagles1245You beat me too it, first off, Mcnabb is overrated. He's just not that good, and the Eagles really don't have a chance of winning the superbowl next year, and he only has a year left. Trading him now is a smart move. Like loseeagle said, they may not make the playoffs this year because of it, but it seems they're entering more of a rebuilding mode right now, doesn't letting westbrook go make more sense now? You really should be asking what the Raiders are thinking, they're not gonna go anywhere with him in a year, and he won't resign, so whats the point? they need those picks alot more then they need a 1 year overrated QB. Then again we're use to seeing the raiders do stupid things. Only problem with this is forget using vincent jackson again this year for Fantasy Football.. damnit
McNabb would be a terrible fit for the Raiders. Seven step drops for a beat-up 34 year old QB behind a garbage offensive line and throwing to very green receivers, not going to work.
In a passing league, after P.Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, who's the next best QBs out there. McNabb is one of the most underated and under appreciated QBs. He's been booed since he got drafted and the Eageles failed to surround him with players. They're starting now, but it's too late and now they want to get rid of him as if he's the problem? He won't go to the Raiders---he's got the final say doesn' t he?
Add to your four Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, and even Bret Favre as QBs definitely better then McNabb. Also consider you could argue that Tony Romo and Kurt Warner are better. There are probably some others too, but can't think of them all, so he's about a mid level Qb.. but for the raiders he's replacing possible the worst qb int he league, so still a step up for them but for one season where they have no chance of winning. I don't believe he has a no trade clause, he's stuck going where ever they say, at least I haven't heard any reports mention it, I know he ASKED to be sent to a winning team if he is traded.In a passing league, after P.Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, who's the next best QBs out there. McNabb is one of the most underated and under appreciated QBs. He's been booed since he got drafted and the Eageles failed to surround him with players. They're starting now, but it's too late and now they want to get rid of him as if he's the problem? He won't go to the Raiders---he's got the final say doesn' t he?
feryl06
[QUOTE="feryl06"]Add to your four Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, and even Bret Favre as QBs definitely better then McNabb. Also consider you could argue that Tony Romo and Kurt Warner are better. There are probably some others too, but can't think of them all, so he's about a mid level Qb.. but for the raiders he's replacing possible the worst qb int he league, so still a step up for them but for one season where they have no chance of winning. I don't believe he has a no trade clause, he's stuck going where ever they say, at least I haven't heard any reports mention it, I know he ASKED to be sent to a winning team if he is traded.In a passing league, after P.Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, who's the next best QBs out there. McNabb is one of the most underated and under appreciated QBs. He's been booed since he got drafted and the Eageles failed to surround him with players. They're starting now, but it's too late and now they want to get rid of him as if he's the problem? He won't go to the Raiders---he's got the final say doesn' t he?
fastr
[QUOTE="feryl06"]Add to your four Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, and even Bret Favre as QBs definitely better then McNabb. Also consider you could argue that Tony Romo and Kurt Warner are better. There are probably some others too, but can't think of them all, so he's about a mid level Qb.. but for the raiders he's replacing possible the worst qb int he league, so still a step up for them but for one season where they have no chance of winning. I don't believe he has a no trade clause, he's stuck going where ever they say, at least I haven't heard any reports mention it, I know he ASKED to be sent to a winning team if he is traded.In a passing league, after P.Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, who's the next best QBs out there. McNabb is one of the most underated and under appreciated QBs. He's been booed since he got drafted and the Eageles failed to surround him with players. They're starting now, but it's too late and now they want to get rid of him as if he's the problem? He won't go to the Raiders---he's got the final say doesn' t he?
fastr
[QUOTE="feryl06"]Add to your four Aaron Rodgers, Big Ben, and even Bret Favre as QBs definitely better then McNabb. Also consider you could argue that Tony Romo and Kurt Warner are better. There are probably some others too, but can't think of them all, so he's about a mid level Qb.. but for the raiders he's replacing possible the worst qb int he league, so still a step up for them but for one season where they have no chance of winning. I don't believe he has a no trade clause, he's stuck going where ever they say, at least I haven't heard any reports mention it, I know he ASKED to be sent to a winning team if he is traded. Rodgers is hands down a better QB then McNabb, no doubt in my mind, and he's still early in his career. He may be top 10, but he's out of the conversation of the better Qbs in the league, and he may be a little better then some mid range guys, but he's still in that mid range. It's just a large group of QBS that happen to be mid level.In a passing league, after P.Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, who's the next best QBs out there. McNabb is one of the most underated and under appreciated QBs. He's been booed since he got drafted and the Eageles failed to surround him with players. They're starting now, but it's too late and now they want to get rid of him as if he's the problem? He won't go to the Raiders---he's got the final say doesn' t he?
fastr
The Eagles are making such a terrible mistake by getting rid of McNabb. Reid is the problem. Not McNabb. Reid wouldn't have anything without McNabb and now the organization turns around and spits on the best QB the organization has ever had? And they wonder why they haven't one a Super Bowl. What a terrible organization-Halftime-
I actually think McNabb has been the problem. McNabb can go hot then cold just as quickly. Also, he's not getting any younger and most likely has started the downward decline. Kevin Kolb did quite well in the games McNabb wasn't able to play due to injuries last season.
They're going to throw away the best QB in franchise history for a QB that's made 2 starts. 2 ****ing starts. Sorry, but Kevin hasn't proved a god damn thing in this league. In the playoffs last year, McNabb wasn't the problem. Andy Reid refused to run the ball, the offensive line was terrible, and so was the defense. McNabb was far from the problem. I agree with what your saying about kolb 2 games doesn't prove someone can start like when ryan leaf played in his first game he was amazing, the next game he was terrible. Plus the eagles suffering from injuries on the o line last year, and their run game was far from dominant, 22nd in the league in rush yards... Plus their defense only ranked 12th in the league. But their pass offense was 10th in the nfl.So "if" McNabb goes do they start Vick or Kolb? I really would hate to see McNabb go to another team and just finish on a low note. I think Andy has just gotten softer in his years and really hasn't done much with the team or the play book. He's not taking chance's like he did before. IE onside kicks for the opening kick off. Fake field goal attempts. Using 3 running backs. When he did the trick plays once in awhile they won games.
Kolb, it's a no-brainer. And McNabb has told Philly he doesn't want to be traded to the Raiders, although he doesn't have a no trade clause.So "if" McNabb goes do they start Vick or Kolb? I really would hate to see McNabb go to another team and just finish on a low note. I think Andy has just gotten softer in his years and really hasn't done much with the team or the play book. He's not taking chance's like he did before. IE onside kicks for the opening kick off. Fake field goal attempts. Using 3 running backs. When he did the trick plays once in awhile they won games.
CADMAN_3
[QUOTE="fastr"][QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"] Perhaps he ought to win a playoff game first to better solidify such a strident proclamation.QuistisTrepe_Nah, really, he's better, no question. I actually watch games, and can say I truely believe that from watching them perform. He hasn't won a playoff game yet, alot of that is because of the team around him. So you assert that I don't watch the games:? Um, ok. As far as the "team around him" bit, you make me honestly question whether you do watch the games or not. I've seen Donovan McNabb play in five NFC title games and a SB with only one Pro Bowl receiver in his entire career. If Aaron Rodgers can make it to the NFC conference championship game with starting wideouts like Todd Pinkston and James Thrash, then I'll be impressed with him.
What about his O-line and running game? Or the Eagles defense over the years?
So you assert that I don't watch the games:? Um, ok. As far as the "team around him" bit, you make me honestly question whether you do watch the games or not. I've seen Donovan McNabb play in five NFC title games and a SB with only one Pro Bowl receiver in his entire career. If Aaron Rodgers can make it to the NFC conference championship game with starting wideouts like Todd Pinkston and James Thrash, then I'll be impressed with him.[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"][QUOTE="fastr"] Nah, really, he's better, no question. I actually watch games, and can say I truely believe that from watching them perform. He hasn't won a playoff game yet, alot of that is because of the team around him. Chutebox
What about his O-line and running game? Or the Eagles defense over the years?
Yeah, what about them?So you assert that I don't watch the games:? Um, ok. As far as the "team around him" bit, you make me honestly question whether you do watch the games or not. I've seen Donovan McNabb play in five NFC title games and a SB with only one Pro Bowl receiver in his entire career. If Aaron Rodgers can make it to the NFC conference championship game with starting wideouts like Todd Pinkston and James Thrash, then I'll be impressed with him.[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"][QUOTE="fastr"] Nah, really, he's better, no question. I actually watch games, and can say I truely believe that from watching them perform. He hasn't won a playoff game yet, alot of that is because of the team around him. Chutebox
What about his O-line and running game? Or the Eagles defense over the years?
Running game? :lol: Andy Reid's fat ass hasn't run the ball since the Duce Staley/Buckhalter/Westbrook days in like 2003. The eagles with a running game:lol:so, i'm not gonna put all the numbers in here, but I think Rodgers literally is better then McNabb in EVERY stat, he's more accurate, more yards per cetch, more TDs, Less interceptions, hell of a lot more completions, higher avg QB rating (actually, he's number ONE for the whole league) The only stat that Rodgers looks bad for is sacks, he's actually tied with Big Ben for 50, most in the league. Which goes to my point that his O-line can't stop the rush, and he doesn't have the kind of running game that McNabb has had behind him for years now, he has grant sure, but thats not as good as McNabb has had behind him. So with less of an offense around him, he puts up better stats.. Sooo any reason why anyone would consider McNabb better?fastrThe Eagles have had one of the worst running games in the NFL for the past 5 years.... Get the hell out of here with that BS. McNabb has no run game.
Sooo any reason why anyone would consider McNabb better?fastrThose reasons have already been stated, next?
and yet no reason has been stated for why McNabb is better, and no one has disputed those reasons, so why are you asking me for next? McNabb has never broke 4k yards in a season, Rodgers has done it in both his.. shrugs, theres your next, :P fastrTwo full seasons of Rodgers and you're convinced that he's better than McNabb? I'm starting to honestly believe that this is an April Fool's put-on.
[QUOTE="fastr"]and yet no reason has been stated for why McNabb is better, and no one has disputed those reasons, so why are you asking me for next? McNabb has never broke 4k yards in a season, Rodgers has done it in both his.. shrugs, theres your next, :P QuistisTrepe_Two full seasons of Rodgers and you're convinced that he's better than McNabb? I'm starting to honestly believe that this is an April Fool's put-on. and again.. any reason he isn't? nope, you can't say one reason? whos putting the april fools prank on, he's clearly better.
[QUOTE="fastr"]and yet no reason has been stated for why McNabb is better, and no one has disputed those reasons, so why are you asking me for next? McNabb has never broke 4k yards in a season, Rodgers has done it in both his.. shrugs, theres your next, :P QuistisTrepe_I'm starting to honestly believe that this is an April Fool's put-on. Mos def.
[QUOTE="QuistisTrepe_"][QUOTE="fastr"]and yet no reason has been stated for why McNabb is better, and no one has disputed those reasons, so why are you asking me for next? McNabb has never broke 4k yards in a season, Rodgers has done it in both his.. shrugs, theres your next, :P fastrTwo full seasons of Rodgers and you're convinced that he's better than McNabb? I'm starting to honestly believe that this is an April Fool's put-on. and again.. any reason he isn't? nope, you can't say one reason? whos putting the april fools prank on, he's clearly better.
No, i'm using stats to prove to you, I know he's better from watching them both play. Don't forget, it's not hard to be better then McNabb, he's extremely overrated by people like you. fastrYeah, a player with over 200 TD passes, playoff success, and the best TD to INT ration in history is sure overrated.
[QUOTE="fastr"]No, i'm using stats to prove to you, I know he's better from watching them both play. Don't forget, it's not hard to be better then McNabb, he's extremely overrated by people like you. -Halftime-Yeah, a player with over 200 TD passes, playoff success, and the best TD to INT ration in history is sure overrated.
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