is matt ryan the best rookie qb ever? good read, even for non ryan fans!

dude is a beast, seems like he is going to be a very good consitent QB, franchise even.  Just what ATL is looking for after everything that has happened to their franchise in past couple of years.

 He's making this team a contender, and he's only going to get better too.

well peyton manning took a 3 -13 team to a 13-3 team his rookie year, so he gets my vote :Pafflictatrophy

[QUOTE="afflictatrophy"]well peyton manning took a 3 -13 team to a 13-3 team his rookie year, so he gets my vote :Pjfcundiff

not only that but he threw 26 interceptions

I admit that he is one of the best rookies QBs of the decade, but first year doesn't mean much. Ben Roethlisburger led the Steelers to a 15-1 Super Bowl bid in 2005 (I might have gotten the facts slightly wrong) (he's still great; the Steelers could go to the Super Bowl again, he's just not a prodigy); Carson Palmer looked unstoppable (look at him now). Matt Ryan is supported by a stellar defense, as well as two of the best running backs in the NFL, Michael Turner and Warrick Dunn.

Also, Troy Aikman's Cowboys started out something like 2-14. Look at what he became.

Dan Marino. End of thread. ;)freesafety13

Just going by stats, Ryan had a better rookie year then Marino.. Ryan deff has alot of potential, just hope he dont get the cover of madden or some other stupid career move..

I admit that he is one of the best rookies QBs of the decade, but first year doesn't mean much. Ben Roethlisburger led the Steelers to a 15-1 Super Bowl bid in 2005 (I might have gotten the facts slightly wrong) (he's still great; the Steelers could go to the Super Bowl again, he's just not a prodigy); Carson Palmer looked unstoppable (look at him now). Matt Ryan is supported by a stellar defense, as well as two of the best running backs in the NFL, Michael Turner and Warrick Dunn.

Also, Troy Aikman's Cowboys started out something like 2-14. Look at what he became.

thequietguy

Im a huge Ravens fan and I support Joe Flacco 100% but Matt Ryan is the better rookie qb this year and even though I hate to admit i'll be very surprised if he does not get rookie of the year if he continues to play like he's played all year.SLYMAGIC123123

[QUOTE="freesafety13"]Dan Marino. End of thread. ;)EmptyClip15

Just going by stats, Ryan had a better rookie year then Marino.. Ryan deff has alot of potential, just hope he dont get the cover of madden or some other stupid career move..

Gotta put Roethlisberger into the all-time rookie conversation. I think he went 13-0 in the regular season his rookie year. Ryan's a stud no doubt but best rookie year ever? Let the year pan out first and end in a playoff berth before putting him up there with Marino.DarkElf2112

No, not even close. Big Ben is good but he's overrated. The man was born on a good team with Parker,The Bus, Staley, Miller, good line, Ward, Burress

Defense : Porter, Smith, Farrior, Townsend and etc... Heck, they were 1st in points allowed. That defense was AMAZING. Ben is good but no Matt Ryan.

Matt Ryan had WR's that vick couldn't use. Matt Ryan didn't have a Parker, Bus or Staley or Burress or Ward and Heath Miller on his offense. Matt Ryan didn't have the offensive line Big Ben had, Matt Ryan had none of this. Matt Ryan came to a team that was the 3rd worse in the league, Big Ben came to a built team that somewhat struggled in 03 but my god in 02 and 01 (13-3 and championship game) they were a built team already.

I say Ryan is one of the best because the man had no steeler talent around him. The falcons were in pre mock drafts to finish worst in the top 5 for 09 drafts. Ryan manages games well, the falcons aren't even that good but they know how to play together as a team. Ryan took a crap Boston College and did something with them with nobody around him that was talented. Matt Ryan reminds me of Peyton Manning, he picked his number 1 target like Manning did with Harrison. Ryan was blessed to him a stud like Turner who was really a nobody. The man is now going to run 1,500 yards and has 15 rushing touchdowns.

I'm not bashing you, but you need to open your eyes how amazing the steelers were. When you go 15-1 and have the best defense, I mean look man, look at the big picture. I look at someone going to a crap team like Manning and Ryan and making something out of nothing. I have to say, the Falcons have an amazing coaching staff because.

White & Jenkins weren't doig anything, now they'r with Ryan

Turner was a nobody, he was onyl known as a back up and turned out to be one of the best in the league.

The Falcons stilld on't have that great of a defense, tehy're good but nothing like the 2004 Steelers defense.

OP, for a rookie. I have to say, for a rookie Matt Ryan with not the best talent has to be one of the best rookies at QB to ever play the game and do what he was brought in to do.

DarkElf2112 don't get offended man, but I look at franchise rookies as someone being drafted to lead a team to greatness. In 01 and 02 the steelers were already great. The Falcons have been struggling for a while now. StealthySniper1

[QUOTE="StealthySniper1"]DarkElf2112 don't get offended man, but I look at franchise rookies as someone being drafted to lead a team to greatness. In 01 and 02 the steelers were already great. The Falcons have been struggling for a while now. sunnystarz

OMG, are you freaking kidding?

2001 :

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2001.htm

13-3 and went to the AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME and was the 3rd best defense and 7th best offense

2002 :

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/pit/2002.htm

10-5-1 and went to the divisional playoff game and almost won...

2003 :

6-10 but people were hurt, also Maddox in 2003 did the same what Big Ben did in 2004. Big Ben had only 17 tds and 3000 yards in 2004 while Maddox had 18 passing touchdowns and 3,000 yards passing in 2004.

2004 that was the year that defense won them the superbowl.

Why do you people always give the QB credit? I still think Big Ben is a tad bit overrated,

2005 & 2007 and now 2008

2006 1st in points allowed

2007 2nd in points allowed (ben was very good this year)

2008 1st in points allowed

Ben Roe was drafted to a team that was a disappointment in 2003, doesn't mean that sucked in 2003. I guess the Jacksonville Jaguars suck and the Chargers suck because of their bad seasons this year. Jaguars went 12-4 in 2005 and fell apart in the last 3 games with leftwhich hurt off and on in 2006 (since a .500 record in 06. The Jaguars went 8-8 in 2006, they finally hired a new OC, brought new people in and had the new rooks, and veterans fill in spots in 2007. In 2007 w/starters they went 11-4 for meaningful games, in 2007 they beat the steelers 2x in their own home (pitts) and won both times in the snow, including a playoff win in their own home.

But, I guess the Jaguars suck in all... Doesn't take in affect they haven't had a losing season since 03, doesn't take account they have a talent run game and was NAILED by injuries on defense and mainly to that offensively line losing 4 starters out of 5 starters.. but I guess they weren't good because of a record. You can't say a team is bad because of 1 season mainly I'm talking about ALL TEAMS.. The Jaguars should bounce back, the Chargers should and many other teams that had key injuries will too. The steelers in 2004 was a prime example. In 2003 they had injury problems, you can't deny in 2001 going 13-3 and 2002 going back and winning in the playoffs were a bad football team. Look...

2001 13-3 (AFC Championship)

2002 10-5-1

2003 6-10

2004 15-1 (AFC Championship)

2005 11-5 (AFC championship & Superbowl Champions) Ben was meh that year just like 2004)

2006 8-8 the defense was meh in 2006

2007 10-6 with 1st defense and a playoff win just like the other seasons

2008 10-4 and a playoff spot.

That's how you determine a good football team. They mostly have good seasons and bite a few bad ones. In this case, they were already a BUILT FOOTBALL TEAM.

Facts never lie, Ben had a better team then Matt Ryan.

Matt Ryan was drafted to a team that was :

05 8-8

06 7-9 (showing you they got worse)

07 4-12

The Falcons never were 13-3 or 10-5-1 and had playoff wins in that 3 year gap. The Falcons got worse and worse. This season they were considered the heavy favorite of being crap with the Lions and Raiders.

You know what's funny? Russell was drafted in the 1st round. Has Walker as his WR and had Porter his WR, had Rhodes, Fargas and Mcfadden and a decent line and a decent TE. He has a better defense then the ATL Falcons and since Russell has been drafted :

07 4-12

08 3-11

Prior they were 2-14, 5-11 and 2-14...

That's a bad football team, that's how you determine a bad football team.

Look at the indy colts,

97 3-13

98 3-13

then Manning gets 1 year under his belt (I consider him one of the best ever to do this)

99 13-3...

That's how you determine a GOOD franchise QB.

Highest paying contract in the future?X360PS3AMD05

Matt Ryan is supported by a stellar defense, as well as two of the best running backs in the NFL, Michael Turner and Warrick Dunn.

thequietguy

Lol, how long did the stats take you, StealthySniper1? Sooo long, who can argue with that?

Lol, how long did the stats take you, StealthySniper1? Sooo long, who can argue with that?

thequietguy

People need to understand when you're drafted to a good team and did just as much as the guy in 03, it wasn't you that took the team to a 15-1 season. No doubt Ben is a very good QB, I just feel people give him too much credit for their wins. I feel that defense/run game won their games.

Then again, ignorant people thought highly of Garrard, I told people it was our defense and run game in 2007 and nobody listened. Our 2nd string did better then Garrard imo and was cut because Garrard only threw 3 ints that year, but nobody understood Garrard was on the only team that ran more then they passed for the NFL. It seems like everyone is getting the QB too much Credit and it somewhat bugs me a bit, the guy stats the steelers were 6-10, but it doesn't make them bad. Chargers and Jaguars are terrible in 08, do you think they'll be bad in 09? I don't, I think they'll bounce back from their injuries, this is the best example I can give you. Packers,Cowboys and etc.

You have to look more into the question, what Ryan is doing is unheard of, the man doesn't have the number 1 defense which Big Ben had in 04. Ryan doesn't have the better offense in the league, or a true run duo Big Ben had (actually had had a trio duo). Ryan didn't have a god like Offensive line (his line sucks still). They're going to draft line in 09 probably if they can get a good enough OG or C, this man has done something with far less. Now, his numbers with tds won't be AMAZING, but Ryan puts his teams into good positions. Ryan manages the game well, but NOW people are forgetting Michael Turner is letting this job BE so EASY for Ryan. Ryan has a Back that is scoring 15tds and is running like 1300-1500 yards ( I can't remember the exact total).

Long story short, nobody looks into it that much. Big Ben was fair his rookie season, he was good but Eli Manning and Rivers are far better Qb's that had to build their team up from nothing. Where as Ben R. didn't and that's a fact. That's all I'm saying.

P.S. I know alot about this league, I told people Garrard was overrated and I was laughed at for it. Look at Garrard now, he's terrible. He went from 18-3 to 14-13 ints and ruins the games. We might not have that run team since 98-07, but my god he finally proved he's crap. You put, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Rivers in that offense and we would be 12-3 right now, we had many games won but Garrard ruined them and threw stupid ints, couldn't complete passes. It was proof Garrard could only throw short screens and only do good if the run game was there. I was right, the man was a overrated, overpaid QB. His Offensive line is crap for run games (we're one of the best) but we're hurt with G,C,G,OT out, BUT they signed good passing blockers, Garrard has time and still can't do good. It's all about depth, you have to look indepth to understand this.

Matt Ryan is better than some starting QBs today!Warriorboy1990