upscalling on ps3, from 720p to 1080p questions

when playing a game develpoed in 720p and u upscale it to 1080p on the ps3, does it lower the picture quality, i heard it does for like R6:vegas, and few others, but what about resistance FOM, and previous ps2 games, does the ps3 upscale those as well to 1080p good?, thanks for replies, i kinda need to know all this before i buy a ps3 to go with my 360 elite, and soon to have 32 inch sharp aqous 1080p lcd. thanks:P

when playing a game develpoed in 720p and u upscale it to 1080p on the ps3, does it lower the picture quality, i heard it does for like R6:vegas, and few others, but what about resistance FOM, and previous ps2 games, does the ps3 upscale those as well to 1080p good?, thanks for replies, i kinda need to know all this before i buy a ps3 to go with my 360 elite, and soon to have 32 inch sharp aqous 1080p lcd. thanks:P

Lach0121

bumptastic...

I'm pretty sure it doesnt really display in 1080p... it's just stretching your 720p resolution out to the 1080p demensions. That's why 720p games always look much sharper when you actually play them on a 720p screen. At least this is what I believe is true.kindredmachine

hmm really then there is like no need for me to get a 1080p screen now then, that blows. oh well. can anyone confirm this, does anyone own a ps3 and a good 1080p tv that can tell me there experiences with the 720p games.?

i dont think the ps3 game have an upscaler yet(i thought those 1080i old hdtvs displayed in 480p still??) well the ps2 games looks sharper on the bigger screen then they did without the upscaler but game that support 1080p but werent developed in 1080p like rb6 or nba 2k7 i really wouldnt trust playing in 720p sinc eit will probably have a worst frame rate with sllightly betetr qualitybigblunt537

so should i get the sharp 32 inch aqous 1080p screen lcd tv??? i mean will the majority of the games look better in 1080p?and preform about as well.?like resistance, or MGS4, final fantasy 13, Lair, Warhawk ect.????

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]i dont think the ps3 game have an upscaler yet(i thought those 1080i old hdtvs displayed in 480p still??) well the ps2 games looks sharper on the bigger screen then they did without the upscaler but game that support 1080p but werent developed in 1080p like rb6 or nba 2k7 i really wouldnt trust playing in 720p sinc eit will probably have a worst frame rate with sllightly betetr qualityLach0121

so should i get the sharp 32 inch aqous 1080p screen lcd tv??? i mean will the majority of the games look better in 1080p?and preform about as well.?like resistance, or MGS4, final fantasy 13, Lair, Warhawk ect.????

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]i dont think the ps3 game have an upscaler yet(i thought those 1080i old hdtvs displayed in 480p still??) well the ps2 games looks sharper on the bigger screen then they did without the upscaler but game that support 1080p but werent developed in 1080p like rb6 or nba 2k7 i really wouldnt trust playing in 720p sinc eit will probably have a worst frame rate with sllightly betetr qualityredandblack23

so should i get the sharp 32 inch aqous 1080p screen lcd tv??? i mean will the majority of the games look better in 1080p?and preform about as well.?like resistance, or MGS4, final fantasy 13, Lair, Warhawk ect.????

so let me get this streight, even if its not developed in 1080p, but it supports it, it will look better in 1080p and preform as well.

and the games that dont support 1080p like (resistance FOM) will look just as good asif it was on a720p screen?

sorry i just would like to know before i spend all this money

when playing a game develpoed in 720p and u upscale it to 1080p on the ps3, does it lower the picture quality, i heard it does for like R6:vegas, and few others, but what about resistance FOM, and previous ps2 games, does the ps3 upscale those as well to 1080p good?, thanks for replies, i kinda need to know all this before i buy a ps3 to go with my 360 elite, and soon to have 32 inch sharp aqous 1080p lcd. thanks:P

Lach0121

the PS3 doesn't upscale PS3 games.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

when playing a game develpoed in 720p and u upscale it to 1080p on the ps3, does it lower the picture quality, i heard it does for like R6:vegas, and few others, but what about resistance FOM, and previous ps2 games, does the ps3 upscale those as well to 1080p good?, thanks for replies, i kinda need to know all this before i buy a ps3 to go with my 360 elite, and soon to have 32 inch sharp aqous 1080p lcd. thanks:P

eclipsed4utoo

the PS3 doesn't upscale PS3 games.

ok are there more games out now for the ps3 that support 1080p, i know on the back of earlier 360 games it said (480i/p,720p,1080i) but now they all say (720p, 1080i, 1080p) so it supports the 1080p resolution, are there recent ps3 games or games comming out that will also do this as well>?

[QUOTE="kindredmachine"]I'm pretty sure it doesnt really display in 1080p... it's just stretching your 720p resolution out to the 1080p demensions. That's why 720p games always look much sharper when you actually play them on a 720p screen. At least this is what I believe is true.Lach0121

hmm really then there is like no need for me to get a 1080p screen now then, that blows. oh well. can anyone confirm this, does anyone own a ps3 and a good 1080p tv that can tell me there experiences with the 720p games.?

I think a lot of people here are misinformed. I have a 47'' 1080p HDTV. When I play a 1080p game like Super Stardust HD the PS3 puts out a 1080p signal and I play the game in 1080p. Now when I play Resistance (a 720p game) the PS3 puts out a 720p signal and my TV automatically recognizes it and plays the game in 720p. It does not change/stretch or alter in any way the picture. Games that are 720p and are played on a 1080i HDTV are different. The PS3 will automatically decide that the signal will be outputted to 720p instead of 1080i if the game is a 1080p game. Any other questions?

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

when playing a game develpoed in 720p and u upscale it to 1080p on the ps3, does it lower the picture quality, i heard it does for like R6:vegas, and few others, but what about resistance FOM, and previous ps2 games, does the ps3 upscale those as well to 1080p good?, thanks for replies, i kinda need to know all this before i buy a ps3 to go with my 360 elite, and soon to have 32 inch sharp aqous 1080p lcd. thanks:P

Lach0121

the PS3 doesn't upscale PS3 games.

ok are there more games out now for the ps3 that support 1080p, i know on the back of earlier 360 games it said (480i/p,720p,1080i) but now they all say (720p, 1080i, 1080p) so it supports the 1080p resolution, are there recent ps3 games or games comming out that will also do this as well>?

Rainbow 6: Vegas does. It's native 720p but supports 1080i.....however, upscaling it to 1080i sucks.

You should get a tv with 1080p to future proof your investment. In like 2-3 years when most games run in 1080p (I hope) you won't feel like you blew $2000 dollars on a large chunk of plastic to hang on your wall. Blu-Ray is also 1080p if that helps.yanwasp

well i know the 360 upscales games to 1080p so the MS end is covered, i just here that the ps3 doesnt upscale, im looking at a 37 inch 1080p screen sharp aqous, and want to know if the 720p games look bad on the 1080p screen, if you want to see the exact tv im talking about here it is http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/34012985/zip_code=71118 would this tv scale the 720p source to 1080p and do a good job of it, oh and i appreciate all the responses. thanks.

Latch let me clarify some things because everyone has made it real confusing. The Xbox 360 games are mostly all rendered in 720p with exception of a few (Nba Homecourt and Virtua tennis) they are rendered in 1080p. The reason why the box says 1080i, and 1080p in addition to 720p is because it has a chip inside it that takes the 720p game source and re-renders (upscales) to 1080i or 1080p. Now the playstation 3 does NOT have a scaling chip so if a game on the back of the box says 720p then it can only display in that resolution and your tv will display a 720p signal much like if it was only a 720p tv then lets say if you switch to play Lair it would output to 1080p if your tv supports that. So your either getting a 720p, 1080i, or 1080p picture depending on the game, your tv wont upscale it to 1080p if its in 720p it will just display it as is. Also if a playstation game says 1080p it is natively rendered in that resolution unlike the xbox which achieves that resolution but by upscaling which is not as good.954LatinoThug

true upscaling is not as good as developed in, i understand that, but for instance, im getting a 37inch 1080p sharp aqous, will the size of 37inches be good for 1080p? thats the first question?

and second, for the games that are 720p onthe ps3 will they appear smaller on the 1080p screen meaning there is like a black box outline around the actual viewing screen (like a widescreen movie on a regular full screen tv? or will the image be stretched or blurred in anyway, to fit it to the entire screen,?

Latch let me clarify some things because everyone has made it real confusing. The Xbox 360 games are mostly all rendered in 720p with exception of a few (Nba Homecourt and Virtua tennis) they are rendered in 1080p. The reason why the box says 1080i, and 1080p in addition to 720p is because it has a chip inside it that takes the 720p game source and re-renders (upscales) to 1080i or 1080p. Now the playstation 3 does NOT have a scaling chip so if a game on the back of the box says 720p then it can only display in that resolution and your tv will display a 720p signal much like if it was only a 720p tv then lets say if you switch to play Lair it would output to 1080p if your tv supports that. So your either getting a 720p, 1080i, or 1080p picture depending on the game, your tv wont upscale it to 1080p if its in 720p it will just display it as is. Also if a playstation game says 1080p it is natively rendered in that resolution unlike the xbox which achieves that resolution but by upscaling which is not as good.954LatinoThug

actually, the PS3 does have a scaler chip(or something to do scaling), but developers aren't able to fully use it. Sony does allow full access to the chip using the SDK(software development kit). Once Sony enables the access through the SDK, developers will be able to take advantage of it.

[QUOTE="954LatinoThug"]Latch let me clarify some things because everyone has made it real confusing. The Xbox 360 games are mostly all rendered in 720p with exception of a few (Nba Homecourt and Virtua tennis) they are rendered in 1080p. The reason why the box says 1080i, and 1080p in addition to 720p is because it has a chip inside it that takes the 720p game source and re-renders (upscales) to 1080i or 1080p. Now the playstation 3 does NOT have a scaling chip so if a game on the back of the box says 720p then it can only display in that resolution and your tv will display a 720p signal much like if it was only a 720p tv then lets say if you switch to play Lair it would output to 1080p if your tv supports that. So your either getting a 720p, 1080i, or 1080p picture depending on the game, your tv wont upscale it to 1080p if its in 720p it will just display it as is. Also if a playstation game says 1080p it is natively rendered in that resolution unlike the xbox which achieves that resolution but by upscaling which is not as good.Lach0121

true upscaling is not as good as developed in, i understand that, but for instance, im getting a 37inch 1080p sharp aqous, will the size of 37inches be good for 1080p? thats the first question?

and second, for the games that are 720p onthe ps3 will they appear smaller on the 1080p screen meaning there is like a black box outline around the actual viewing screen (like a widescreen movie on a regular full screen tv? or will the image be stretched or blurred in anyway, to fit it to the entire screen,?

It wont looked stretch or distorted or anything it'll be as if your watching it on a 720p tv

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="954LatinoThug"]Latch let me clarify some things because everyone has made it real confusing. The Xbox 360 games are mostly all rendered in 720p with exception of a few (Nba Homecourt and Virtua tennis) they are rendered in 1080p. The reason why the box says 1080i, and 1080p in addition to 720p is because it has a chip inside it that takes the 720p game source and re-renders (upscales) to 1080i or 1080p. Now the playstation 3 does NOT have a scaling chip so if a game on the back of the box says 720p then it can only display in that resolution and your tv will display a 720p signal much like if it was only a 720p tv then lets say if you switch to play Lair it would output to 1080p if your tv supports that. So your either getting a 720p, 1080i, or 1080p picture depending on the game, your tv wont upscale it to 1080p if its in 720p it will just display it as is. Also if a playstation game says 1080p it is natively rendered in that resolution unlike the xbox which achieves that resolution but by upscaling which is not as good.954LatinoThug

true upscaling is not as good as developed in, i understand that, but for instance, im getting a 37inch 1080p sharp aqous, will the size of 37inches be good for 1080p? thats the first question?

and second, for the games that are 720p onthe ps3 will they appear smaller on the 1080p screen meaning there is like a black box outline around the actual viewing screen (like a widescreen movie on a regular full screen tv? or will the image be stretched or blurred in anyway, to fit it to the entire screen,?

It wont looked stretch or distorted or anything it'll be as if your watching it on a 720p tv

oh sweet thanks, oh and i hear 32 inches isnt big enough for 1080p what about 37 inches http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/34012985/zip_code=71118 this is the tv i want right here.

actually, the PS3 does have a scaler chip(or something to do scaling), but developers aren't able to fully use it. Sony does allow full access to the chip using the SDK(software development kit). Once Sony enables the access through the SDK, developers will be able to take advantage of it.

eclipsed4utoo

Yea but I tought that was speculation and it turned out the whatever scaling being used by developers runs through the cell. I know that the ps1/2 and dvd upscaling is performed by the cell. It was on an interview posted up with the people who worked on it.

[QUOTE="eclipsed4utoo"]

actually, the PS3 does have a scaler chip(or something to do scaling), but developers aren't able to fully use it. Sony does allow full access to the chip using the SDK(software development kit). Once Sony enables the access through the SDK, developers will be able to take advantage of it.

954LatinoThug

Yea but I tought that was speculation and it turned out the whatever scaling being used by developers runs through the cell. I know that the ps1/2 and dvd upscaling is performed by the cell. It was on an interview posted up with the people who worked on it.

oh sweet thanks, oh and i hear 32 inches isnt big enough for 1080p what about 37 inches http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/34012985/zip_code=71118 this is the tv i want right here.

Yea if your freaky about how your picture looks then it is perfect for you but if your going to buy a 37 you might as well just step up to a 40 which is a nice entry point for a 1080p tv. Samsung Ln-t4065f is the top of the line 1080p lcd right now and you can get for $1645 at best buy plasma.com.

954LatinoThug

oh sweet thanks, oh and i hear 32 inches isnt big enough for 1080p what about 37 inches http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/34012985/zip_code=71118 this is the tv i want right here.

Yea if your freaky about how your picture looks then it is perfect for you but if your going to buy a 37 you might as well just step up to a 40 which is a nice entry point for a 1080p tv. Samsung Ln-t4065f is the top of the line 1080p lcd right now and you can get for 1645 and best buy plasma.

yeah but im looking for something with a faster response time than 8ms, and cheaper than 1700$ im looking at the 37 inch sharp aqous because it has the gamers (vyper drive for less loss(lag) from console to the tv. and its only 1430$

If you have a Game that runs in 720p and you try to upscale it to 1080p, the picture will look bloated and distorted (Kind like its stretched) Cause a game running 720p is running 720 progressive (AKA Full Screen progressive) and 1080 is Widescreen so the pair just do not mix.

Unless the game supports both resolutions, then you wont have a problem

If you have a Game that runs in 720p and you try to upscale it to 1080p, the picture will look bloated and distorted (Kind like its stretched) Cause a game running 720p is running 720 progressive (AKA Full Screen progressive) and 1080 is Widescreen so the pair just do not mix.

Unless the game supports both resolutions, then you wont have a problem

MASTERCHIEFUSMA

actually i know that 720p is a wide screen format. i know for a fact it is a wide screen format, not full screen 4:3.

There is no point in a 32" 1080p lcd.... The differences will be very small and slightly noticable. It would be like trying to watch a 1080pHD quicktime movie trailer on a 17"HD lcd computer screen. The 1080p resolution dimensions are for larger televisions.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is noticable in telivision sets larger than 37-40".

I just bought a 40" samsung 1080p lcd with clear panel coating. Rainbow6 doesnt look that great on my set at 1080p, but the blu-ray movies are simply amazing.

Main point: The game has to be supported in 1080p for it to look good on a larger tv. Rainbow 6 will look perfectly fine on a smaller than 37-40" 720p tv.

There is no point in a 32" 1080p lcd.... The differences will be very small and slightly noticable. It would be like trying to watch a 1080pHD quicktime movie trailer on a 17"HD lcd computer screen. The 1080p resolution dimensions are for larger televisions.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is noticable in telivision sets larger than 37-40".

I just bought a 40" samsung 1080p lcd with clear panel coating. Rainbow6 doesnt look that great on my set at 1080p, but the blu-ray movies are simply amazing.

Main point: The game has to be supported in 1080p for it to look good on a larger tv. Rainbow 6 will look perfectly fine on a smaller than 37-40" 720p tv.

krom32

Hi! Quick clarification post: 720p games run at 720p and 1080p games run at 1080p. If you buy a good TV it probably upscales all content to 1080p regardless. Upscaling is not as big of a deal as everyone makes it out to be. 1080p native is not the same as 1080p upscaled. If you want a great picture just make sure your TV actually accepts a 1080p signal. A lot of TV's only accept a 720p input signal and upscale that to display 1080p and then say they are 1080p. Do your research. HDMI is also huge, must have HDMI ports.

Hope this helps. Feel free to message me if you need more info.

when playing a game develpoed in 720p and u upscale it to 1080p on the ps3, does it lower the picture quality, i heard it does for like R6:vegas, and few others, but what about resistance FOM, and previous ps2 games, does the ps3 upscale those as well to 1080p good?, thanks for replies, i kinda need to know all this before i buy a ps3 to go with my 360 elite, and soon to have 32 inch sharp aqous 1080p lcd. thanks:P

Lach0121

Sadly, the PS3 does not yet upscale from 720p to 1080p. I bet it won't be long until it does, though. The games look fine in 720p and you can't really tell that it's not showing at 1080p. Don't let this stop you from buying a PS3. If you want 1080p gaming, pick up LAIR, that's in 1080p with its frame rate locked in at 30 fps.

can't u just play your ps3 on a regular 430 tv or whatever and it'll look fine??

i mean will there be still the awesome graphics..

954LatinoThug

oh sweet thanks, oh and i hear 32 inches isnt big enough for 1080p what about 37 inches http://electronics.pricegrabber.com/plasma-lcd-televisions/m/34012985/zip_code=71118 this is the tv i want right here.

Yea if your freaky about how your picture looks then it is perfect for you but if your going to buy a 37 you might as well just step up to a 40 which is a nice entry point for a 1080p tv. Samsung Ln-t4065f is the top of the line 1080p lcd right now and you can get for $1645 at best buy plasma.com.

I bought that tv and it's freakin awesome!!!

[QUOTE="954LatinoThug"]Latch let me clarify some things because everyone has made it real confusing. The Xbox 360 games are mostly all rendered in 720p with exception of a few (Nba Homecourt and Virtua tennis) they are rendered in 1080p. The reason why the box says 1080i, and 1080p in addition to 720p is because it has a chip inside it that takes the 720p game source and re-renders (upscales) to 1080i or 1080p. Now the playstation 3 does NOT have a scaling chip so if a game on the back of the box says 720p then it can only display in that resolution and your tv will display a 720p signal much like if it was only a 720p tv then lets say if you switch to play Lair it would output to 1080p if your tv supports that. So your either getting a 720p, 1080i, or 1080p picture depending on the game, your tv wont upscale it to 1080p if its in 720p it will just display it as is. Also if a playstation game says 1080p it is natively rendered in that resolution unlike the xbox which achieves that resolution but by upscaling which is not as good.Lach0121

true upscaling is not as good as developed in, i understand that, but for instance, im getting a 37inch 1080p sharp aqous, will the size of 37inches be good for 1080p? thats the first question?

and second, for the games that are 720p onthe ps3 will they appear smaller on the 1080p screen meaning there is like a black box outline around the actual viewing screen (like a widescreen movie on a regular full screen tv? or will the image be stretched or blurred in anyway, to fit it to the entire screen,?

No, the game will fit the entire screen, but it won't be blurry in any way. Resistance looks just as good on a 1080p TV as it does on a 720p TV (Resistance is 720p max resolution).

I say buy the 37"... the lcd from the link looks pretty good.

IMHO- a 32" 720p lcd will look 96% the same as a 32" 1080p. So get the 37" at 1080p...

If you are planning for a 1080p definately get a 37" or larger. You dont want to be kicking yourself later saying I shoulda bought a larger screen for just $300 more...

I bought the samsung lnt4065 (1080p, 15000:1 contrast, 8ms response,viewable from EVERY angle). The 40" screen makes a huge difference, because my roommate has a 32" 720p (max1080i) lcd. The samsung I bought has a "clear coating" on the screen which makes the picture very sharp. Some lcds if you "touch" the screen you can see the colors change, with the clear glass coat it protects the lcd and brings out a better picture.

can't u just play your ps3 on a regular 430 tv or whatever and it'll look fine??

i mean will there be still the awesome graphics..

azimiballer

Go to bestbuy and watch a blu-ray on one of their hdtv displays.

Then imagine playing GT5 HD (downloadable demo versionfrom PSstore) at that resolution....

I play it every night.... ;)

There is no point in a 32" 1080p lcd.... The differences will be very small and slightly noticable. It would be like trying to watch a 1080pHD quicktime movie trailer on a 17"HD lcd computer screen. The 1080p resolution dimensions are for larger televisions.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is noticable in telivision sets larger than 37-40".

I just bought a 40" samsung 1080p lcd with clear panel coating. Rainbow6 doesnt look that great on my set at 1080p, but the blu-ray movies are simply amazing.

Main point: The game has to be supported in 1080p for it to look good on a larger tv. Rainbow 6 will look perfectly fine on a smaller than 37-40" 720p tv.

krom32

Lach listen to me....Krom I aint trying to be rude but you are wrong. Rainbow Six is an exception the box says it supports 1080i but it has some wierd graphical issues in that mode thats why it looks strange. Developers messed it up, every other game is fine meaning that you can play a 720p game on a 1080p 70 inch screen and it will look perfect. I know what i'm talking about Lach and Krom go to your display settings on your ps3 and set up the resolutions using the custom option and unselect 1080i and 1080p leaving only 720p and 480p checked and play Rainbow six and you'll see what I'm talking about. It will output at 720p and it will look fine. I REPEAT ONCE AGAIN TO BOTH LATCH AND KROM a game does not have to be in 1080p for it look good on a 1080p as long as your tv suports whatever resolution the game supports your picture will be 100 percent fine. Doesnt matter if the tv is 10 or 100 inches

Well i kind of forgot about this topic i posted in. But now that you mentioned your interested in a Sharp Aquos 1080p TV, get it!!!!I have the same TV and i love this damn TV. Playing Resistance at 720p looks clear as hell and playing games like GRan Turismo also looks extremely sharp in 1080p. Go with the Sharp Aquos. The price is also good for what your getting and plus its future proof.

most people are telling me to go with the 37 inch over the 32 inch of the same tv,

so what do you guys think, 37 inch sharp aqous, or 32 inch sharp aqous??? both are 1080p

most people are telling me to go with the 37 inch over the 32 inch of the same tv,

so what do you guys think, 37 inch sharp aqous, or 32 inch sharp aqous??? both are 1080p

Lach0121

Get what you think will make you happiest. You won't miss the extra bit of money 5 years from now you'll just be happy to have a sweet TV.

hey boys!

ok ive read all this about 1080p tvs and the ps3 etc etc etc but tbh im not convinced completely.

i own a hyundia image quest q321 32" hd ready tv with a native resollution of 1366x768

and i also own a samsung le40m87 40" full 1080p hd screen

i have used both my playstation 3 and xbox 360 on both and to me when i use the samsung 40" the playstation 3 looks grainy and often blurry while outputting 720p games.

of course the 32 " is closer to a natural resollution of 720p,and does support that right up to 1080i,so the picture qaulity seems sharper and more crisp especialy through vga on the 360,infact its breath taking!

everyone ive spoke to claims the 40" 1080p will look good with the playstation 3 but im not impressed,blu ray is awesome and gt hd prologue looks fantastic but any game that runs 720p puts my tv into 720p full screen and stretches to fit the 40" screen. which to me looks less than perfect.

people will say my tv is crap of course when i say this but if you read up especialy on hdtv test its virtualy the best 40" 1080p set that money can buy and is reccomended for the 360 and playstation 3.

so has anyone got any tips to improve image qaulity for the playstation 3 through hdmi on this 40" 1080p set?

its realy pi%%ing me off in short lol

thx guys, ps heres my 40" setup for anyone who likes pictures

http://jordo2k1.shackspace.com/100_9519.JPG