It doesnt really affect me, but Sony's beening getting pretty desperate with money, they mothballed their employees like last week. So idk great system but shaddy business....
well considring you pay a fee for live they put the cost on the consumer lol. On top of that of course Nintendo doesnt do this. The only thing worth demoing on the Wii is their own titles. think before you post :)[QUOTE="Squeets"]
[QUOTE="enygma500"]
Bandwidth isn't free...
Think of that money as a rental fee. their putting their demo's up in sombody elses lot. I'm sure M$ does this too.
Did you even read the article... Microsoft and Nintendo don't do this...
well considring you pay a fee for live they put the cost on the consumer lol. On top of that of course Nintendo doesnt do this. The only thing worth demoing on the Wii is their own titles. think before you post :)[QUOTE="Squeets"]
[QUOTE="enygma500"]
Bandwidth isn't free...
Think of that money as a rental fee. their putting their demo's up in sombody elses lot. I'm sure M$ does this too.
LORDDICE1
Did you even read the article... Microsoft and Nintendo don't do this...
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
this is true but all the people paying for gold is off setting those costs, again think before you post! [QUOTE="Squeets"]
[QUOTE="LORDDICE1"]well considring you pay a fee for live they put the cost on the consumer lol. On top of that of course Nintendo doesnt do this. The only thing worth demoing on the Wii is their own titles. think before you post :)[QUOTE="Squeets"]
Did you even read the article... Microsoft and Nintendo don't do this...
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
[QUOTE="LORDDICE1"]well considring you pay a fee for live they put the cost on the consumer lol. On top of that of course Nintendo doesnt do this. The only thing worth demoing on the Wii is their own titles. think before you post :)[QUOTE="Squeets"]
Did you even read the article... Microsoft and Nintendo don't do this...
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
Maybe you should think before you post.
You seem like a troll...mostly bc everytime you post your putting down PS, you do realise this isnt System Wars right?
this is true but all the people paying for gold is off setting those costs, again think before you post! [QUOTE="Squeets"]
[QUOTE="LORDDICE1"]LORDDICE1
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
Maybe you should think before you post.
you do realize u cant play online with silver account, while with psn you get full access. They have every rite to charge who they want to charge for a service given, sony just happens to do it to publishers not to the consumers. Nothing shady at all
yeah paying for online (on xbox) would offset the costs for the downloads which sony are having to charge, but Live is pretty good, its only like 5 bucks a month anyway.
At first, I thought the people paying the $0.16 was the consumers, which would have pissed me off due to the inconvenience rather than the fee itself. But man, I hope this doesn't discourage publishers from pushing out demos. But hell, it probably will :|
That would really tick me off. I love my PS3 but part of it is because we get to play free online. Either way it's a bad PR move to give something for free for so long and then take it away. Unless of course you explain way ahead of time, then you at least get people prepared but the expectation moving forwards is that PSN will always be free.
I think demos are one of the best forms of marketing the publishers can use. Ive downloaded demos that I thought would be stupid like civilization revolution and actually enjoyed them. When you think about it, lets say the game publishers make only $5 profit per game. That means that if only 2 of 30 people that download the demo go out and buy the game, they are STILL making a net profit. If you can't sell to more people from a good demo, then you need to make a better game. (and im sure they make a lot more than $5 per game) Sony puts a lot of work into the network and I think it is only fair they get some kind of kick back for that.
this is true but all the people paying for gold is off setting those costs, again think before you post! [QUOTE="Squeets"]
[QUOTE="LORDDICE1"]LORDDICE1
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
um that was anounced before the game even came out, microsoft paid for it, on top of that be happy this is something we the consumer are not paying for. There is a reason they charge people for live keep that in mind!
[QUOTE="Duckman5"]I don't like this at all. It's discouraging publishers from adding early demos to the PSN.GANGSTASAN
And the DLC. No Fallout 3 DLC for PS3 owners now...
You guys that think this is shady do realize that this is probably a part of how Sony keeps the PSN free right? Besides, I always thought it was a good thing when the consumer wins - i.e, not charging us the 16 cents per gig downloaded as opposed to multi-million dollar corporations.
this entire article from IGN is just more blatant anti-Sony nonsense, non-issue **** It's called advertising fees, and all corporations have to pony up and pay them. Did they mention anything negative about idiots paying for XBOX LIVE? nope, wonder why=M$$$$ pay offs... advertising. AND, WHY would we the gamers need be concerned at all about something that has nothing to do with our FREE PSN enjoyment? EVER? payola is an ugly thing IGN.
double post, ask yourselves this anti-PSN a-holes, do you think "publishers" get FREE advertising for their f'ing game via this very site? HELL NO, they PAY out the butt. it's a non-issue created by anti-Sony media funded by M$... again.
this isnt shady, its business. microsoft charges the user for fees (XBL) rather than the publisher and thats why they like to give them stuff, and with having psn free, the costs need to go somewhere so instead of us the users paying it goes to the publishers, which in turn prevents them giving stuff to sony. so you could either have a free service, but it lacks in areas, or pay for a service and get better things. and since psn started as being free, its unlikely to see them to start charging, but if i were them i would also add a premium service which you can pay for which has more things to offer alongside a free service so that a) users dont need to pay if they dont want to, especially those who dont play online often b)gives those who play online more things for their money, i.e. dashboards, monthly freebies or specials, demos before the non-paying users and things like that but unless they can offer a pricecut and increase base numbers of those online it probably wont work, but its something sony should see into
I dont get it. people are mad cuz Sony is charging dev's to have their demo on PSN? You dont think Micro$oft charges them as well? Like someone else mentioned, it is ADVERTISING.
thats the lamest thing i've heard of... sony is getting on my nerves with all this sneaky business. it's like they think I won't find out... Oh well I never download demos anyway, so I guess I'm not part of the problem... I'm sure a fanboy is gonna go DL as much stuff as he can b/c he thinks Sony will get paid.mjk_1
[QUOTE="LORDDICE1"]well considring you pay a fee for live they put the cost on the consumer lol. On top of that of course Nintendo doesnt do this. The only thing worth demoing on the Wii is their own titles. think before you post :)[QUOTE="Squeets"]
Did you even read the article... Microsoft and Nintendo don't do this...
Squeets
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
This is why I dont mind paying my Subscription fee with Microsoft. This is why sony should give there heads a shake and implement a fee, i dont think publishers will like paying out of there A**'s, just to get an example.. ( a 3 song demo ) on the psn network. sonys 14+ million psn users can talley up a pretty hefty bandwidth fee.
I know cuz Im one of them always downlaodin stuff , games , demos & new songs....etc.
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
Maybe you should think before you post.
agreed!
Apparently you missed, or most likely chose to pass over, LORDDICE1's rebuttle.
[QUOTE="LORDDICE1"]well considring you pay a fee for live they put the cost on the consumer lol. On top of that of course Nintendo doesnt do this. The only thing worth demoing on the Wii is their own titles. think before you post :)[QUOTE="Squeets"]
Did you even read the article... Microsoft and Nintendo don't do this...
Squeets
Um... Xbox Live Silver is free... and they get the same demo's Gold accounts get... So hmmm? Is Microsoft charging imaginary credit cards with imaginery money?
Maybe you should think before you post.
actually silver members have to wait a week or two to get the demo.
This is different how from PC publishers having to pay to host their own software on 3rd-party servers?
Wii doesn't have the system because they have their tiny file-size restriction, 360 has their fees covered by the gold memberships with their one-week exclusive deal (which in turn also screws PS3 users over as the publishers take the cash from Microsoft to delay it a week for them also), and Sony just charges their developers a minute amount to host their demos on their service. It's advetising, and it works.
This isn't shady of Sony at all (especially when it's been occuring for the last 5 months), it's their business practice, and there's no reason for us to complain about it since it doesn't affect the end-user at all in the grand scheme of things. It's not like Microsoft where they make developers put a price-tag on everything for us in terms of DLC content, so it's a nice trade-off from the consumers point of view.
it all comes down to paying for advertising and Sony pays, so the publishers pay to get advertising via PSN. nothing is free in entertainment, it's all advertising. if you visit this site and don't see... notice all the advertising blinding you on every page then you're a stupid piece of retard on a stick. nothing is free, these sites are built on advertising. only the stupid people join$$$ and pay for advertising. I used to join IGN for E3 coverage until E3 died, then i just realized you can get all the videos via Youtube or other sites on the net. I don't pay to watch ads anymore, because it's stupid. to somehow feel sorry for publishers is beyond stupid, they are the pigs that rule the entertainment universe, F' them to hell, Sony should charge them more, and give us more free stuff on PSN.
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