ps3 full hd or hd ready??

hey

so im buying a ps3 soon but all i have right now is a very very old 22" crt tv. ps3 wont look so good on it.
im thinking about buying an hdtv 32" up. if i buy 1080p full hd tv and connect through hdmi would i be able to play games that support
only 720p? will the tv be able to run 720p/720i/1080p/1080i? i dont really understand how it all works.

i know that most ps3 games are only 720p. would i be able to see them in all their glory on an hdtv 1080p?
and to do so would i need to disable something and stuff because im getting really confused.

also if i decide to buy the hd ready 720p would that run the games in their maximum quality? thankx

so lets say i buy a 32" full hd 1080p would i be able to run a game on 720p in order to view it in native or will the ps3 just force it on 1080p?

Yes, the PS3 will just switch it to 720p if the game can't run on 1080p.

so lets say i buy a 32" full hd 1080p would i be able to run a game on 720p in order to view it in native or will the ps3 just force it on 1080p?

Hevion

It's HD-ready out of the box. The PS3 can run any PS3 game at any resolution you want it to, but usually, there is always a NATIVE resolution for all games you want to play in HD. For example, Resistance 2 has a native resolution of 720p, but you can upscale it to 1080p if you have a TV compatible with full 1080p or downscale it to whatever your TV can do. Of course, most games tend to actually look cleaner in its native resolution, so getting an HDTV which can go with most resolutions (1080p, 1080i, 720p, etc.) is the safest bet for getting the most out of your PS3.hazelnutman

so lets say i buy a 32" full hd 1080p would i be able to run a game on 720p in order to view it in native or will the ps3 just force it on 1080p?

Hevion

Yes, the PS3 will just switch it to 720p if the game can't run on 1080p.

4nia

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so lets say i buy a 32" full hd 1080p would i be able to run a game on 720p in order to view it in native or will the ps3 just force it on 1080p?

hazelnutman

wait so you are saying if i buy a full hd 1080p tv i will end up with upscaled quality? is there no way to let the game run in its native?

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so lets say i buy a 32" full hd 1080p would i be able to run a game on 720p in order to view it in native or will the ps3 just force it on 1080p?

shawty1984

No.

You have complete control via your PS3 assuming your TV is full 1080p. You can display whatever preset resolutions you want through the display options.

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[QUOTE="hazelnutman"] That's up to you. You can force it to go to 1080p if you uncheck everything but 1080p in the display options, but assuming you leave all of the resolutions your TV can handle checked (which is what you should do for maximum compatibility), the PS3 will keep the game in its native resolution.hazelnutman

No.

You have complete control via your PS3 assuming your TV is full 1080p. You can display whatever preset resolutions you want through the display options.

wait so you are saying if i buy a full hd 1080p tv i will end up with upscaled quality? is there no way to let the game run in its native?

Hevion

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Again, the TV will then upscale to 1080p.

shawty1984

No.

You have complete control via your PS3 assuming your TV is full 1080p. You can display whatever preset resolutions you want through the display options.

Well of course all images are scaled to the TV accordingly, but in the big picture, you can have the image show at the resolution you select or force it to go to. This includes the native resolution, which is what the TV will revert to if you have all resolutions selected.

The video scaler in HDTVs is such a minute difference that it has no relevance to this topic at all, let alone telling TC that the TV will outright upscale everything to 1080p as you did 5 times above. If he wanted a behind-the-scenes look on how this stuff actually worked, then he would have asked, but when you get down to what really matters (and what can actually be seen), you have complete control over the resolution. No need to confuse TC with those technicalities.

but thats just dumb. if i buy 1080p i expect it to be able to run something at a lower res. thats just stupid that it automatically upscales the quality.

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[QUOTE="hazelnutman"]

No.

You have complete control via your PS3 assuming your TV is full 1080p. You can display whatever preset resolutions you want through the display options.

hazelnutman

Well of course all images are scaled to the TV accordingly, but in the big picture, you can have the image show at the resolution you select or force it to go to. This includes the native resolution, which is what the TV will revert to if you have all resolutions selected.

The video scaler in HDTVs is such a minute difference that it has no relevance to this topic at all, let alone telling TC that the TV will outright upscale everything to 1080p as you did 5 times above. If he wanted a behind-the-scenes look on how this stuff actually worked, then he would have asked, but when you get down to what really matters (and what can actually be seen), you have complete control over the resolution. No need to confuse TC with those technicalities.

but thats just dumb. if i buy 1080p i expect it to be able to run something at a lower res. thats just stupid that it automatically upscales the quality.

Hevion

so are you people suggesting that the best thing to do is to buy an hd ready tv 720p max?

Hey everybody. So I just ordered a Samsung 600hz plasma 720p 50 inch. Will the quality be noticably different than 1080p when I play PS3? I mean, if most games are 720p, shouldnt the game look great?

so are you people suggesting that the best thing to do is to buy an hd ready tv 720p max?

Hevion

Hey everybody. So I just ordered a Samsung 600hz plasma 720p 50 inch. Will the quality be noticably different than 1080p when I play PS3? I mean, if most games are 720p, shouldnt the game look great?

stack1109

im buying the tv for the ps3. i dont really care about movies or channels or whatever. most of the games are 720p right? so buying hdready 720p max and setting my ps3 to run everything 720p would give me a very good quality image right? i mean games like uncharted 2 and all would be in all their glory right?

im buying the tv for the ps3. i dont really care about movies or channels or whatever. most of the games are 720p right? so buying hdready 720p max and setting my ps3 to run everything 720p would give me a very good quality image right? i mean games like uncharted 2 and all would be in all their glory right?

Hevion

Sigh, I dont understand? Please try to understand in what Im saying is 100% correct and very relvant to the OP.

You can tell your PS3 to output at 720p which si the games native resolution, BUt if you have a 1080p TV then the PS3 outputting at 720p will just get upscaled by the TV to 1080p, so, you will be always be playing at 1080p upscale. The only way to play (games) native 720p on a 1080p TV is to either get the image strecthed (never seen done) have black boders arounsd the image (never seen done) or upscale (which it will always do).

So wanting to play 720p games at native resolution on a 1080p TV is, Im sorry to say, a no go area, it will always get upscaled to fit the native resolution of the TV, I dont see why you think this is irrelevant to the OP.

shawty1984

You see, but that's the scaler on your television. I'm talking about the one on the PS3.

I don't know about you, but I can display all resolutions fine on my TV, and there are subtle differences to them all depending on which games or type of media I'm playing. Due to this, no matter what the hell is happening with my TV, I will always have the largest control over my resolution via my PS3. That's all I was saying.

[QUOTE="stack1109"]

Hey everybody. So I just ordered a Samsung 600hz plasma 720p 50 inch. Will the quality be noticably different than 1080p when I play PS3? I mean, if most games are 720p, shouldnt the game look great?

shawty1984

Haha, thanks man. With all this talk of "its not full HD" I was getting worried!! I bought it for the size more than anything. And if the picture clarity is better than my SD 32inch Sony Trinitron, then Im happy!!!!

[QUOTE="stack1109"]

Hey everybody. So I just ordered a Samsung 600hz plasma 720p 50 inch. Will the quality be noticably different than 1080p when I play PS3? I mean, if most games are 720p, shouldnt the game look great?

shawty1984

But yeah, in the end, this is all that matters.

It'll look fantastic. It'll look beautiful. It'll be in high definition.

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[QUOTE="stack1109"]

Hey everybody. So I just ordered a Samsung 600hz plasma 720p 50 inch. Will the quality be noticably different than 1080p when I play PS3? I mean, if most games are 720p, shouldnt the game look great?

hazelnutman

But yeah, in the end, this is all that matters.

It'll look fantastic. It'll look beautiful. It'll be in high definition.

Yay!!! :)

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Sigh, I dont understand? Please try to understand in what Im saying is 100% correct and very relvant to the OP.

You can tell your PS3 to output at 720p which si the games native resolution, BUt if you have a 1080p TV then the PS3 outputting at 720p will just get upscaled by the TV to 1080p, so, you will be always be playing at 1080p upscale. The only way to play (games) native 720p on a 1080p TV is to either get the image strecthed (never seen done) have black boders arounsd the image (never seen done) or upscale (which it will always do).

So wanting to play 720p games at native resolution on a 1080p TV is, Im sorry to say, a no go area, it will always get upscaled to fit the native resolution of the TV, I dont see why you think this is irrelevant to the OP.

hazelnutman

You see, but that's the scaler on your television. I'm talking about the one on the PS3.

I don't know about you, but I can display all resolutions fine on my TV, and there are subtle differences to them all depending on which games or type of media I'm playing. Due to this, no matter what the hell is happening with my TV, I will always have the largest control over my resolution via my PS3. That's all I was saying.

what would you suggest i get? samsung or toshiba? or anything else? if u know any good hd models please tell me

What do you mean the PS3 is pretty much irrelevant here? Let's say that we set the PS3 to display 480p. The TV will upscale it to 1080p since it has to, but the PS3 will still be showing the resolution of 480p upscaled. At which point does the PS3 become irrelevant? I'll have complete control over my PS3's scaling and what is sent to the TV. Sounds like an important step to me. Unless we're totally thinking on different terms here. I'm talking about what the video scaler on the PS3 will push out, while I think you're talking about how the TV will interpret that resolution and display it back to us. If that's the case, then this entire thing is a complete misunderstanding. If not, then sure - we can continue arguing. :Phazelnutman

Of course the TV would upscale to 1080p, but I'm talking about what the PS3's video scaler will change it to and push out to the television. 480p on the PS3 upscaled to 1080p is going to look a lot different than something 720p upscaled to 1080p visually. Like I said, I'm talking about the PS3's video output, and you're talking about what the TV will receive and upscale that resolution to. Clearly, we're talking about two different things, yet you continue to challenge me for some reason. Maybe you need to go back and read the part where I established this 3 posts ago. Anyways, I'm going to sleep since it's 5:49 in the morning here. If you want to continue, then by all means, go ahead. I'll get back to you in this thread if you really want this conversation to drag on.hazelnutman

"No.

You have complete control via your PS3 assuming your TV is full 1080p. You can display whatever preset resolutions you want through the display options."

I then try to explain again, but you come back with this. -

"Well of course all images are scaled to the TV accordingly, but in the big picture, you can have the image show at the resolution you select or force it to go to. This includes the native resolution, which is what the TV will revert to if you have all resolutions selected."

The TV will always upscale the image to 1080p due to that being its native resolution, so selecting 720p on your PS3 wont mean your seeing a 720p image.

I know you can have control at what resolution the PS3 sends out, but its really irelvant due to the TV is always going to upscale that image unless its a 1080p native image. Your best at just leaving the PS3 display settings all ticked so it can choose whats best itself. But what Im saying is very relvant to the OP.

all this talk and i still dont know what to do! stop ur arguing. you people are saying that its better to get 720p than 1080p for ps3 because all you'll get with 1080p is upscaled quality. so i should get me a big hd ready 720p max to get the best quality out of my games? just answer that!

i remember another thread with the same argument shawty. No it wont change it to 1080, native 720p games will stay 720p games, the tv will 'zoom in' just like a computer screen resolution

Get the 1080 screen

all this talk and i still dont know what to do! stop ur arguing. you people are saying that its better to get 720p than 1080p for ps3 because all you'll get with 1080p is upscaled quality. so i should get me a big hd ready 720p max to get the best quality out of my games? just answer that!

Hevion

if you have time to post this thread on the internet, im sure you have time to actually do some research on your own.its not confusing at all.

hdtvs= fixed displays. 1080p or 720p will both look fine. i just dont get why people buy 1080p hdtvs that are under 42 inches.

anyways triniton crts have awesome black levels.

but thats just dumb. if i buy 1080p i expect it to be able to run something at a lower res. thats just stupid that it automatically upscales the quality.

Hevion

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[QUOTE="hazelnutman"]

No.

You have complete control via your PS3 assuming your TV is full 1080p. You can display whatever preset resolutions you want through the display options.

hazelnutman

Well of course all images are scaled to the TV accordingly, but in the big picture, you can have the image show at the resolution you select or force it to go to. This includes the native resolution, which is what the TV will revert to if you have all resolutions selected.

The video scaler in HDTVs is such a minute difference that it has no relevance to this topic at all, let alone telling TC that the TV will outright upscale everything to 1080p as you did 5 times above. If he wanted a behind-the-scenes look on how this stuff actually worked, then he would have asked, but when you get down to what really matters (and what can actually be seen), you have complete control over the resolution. No need to confuse TC with those technicalities.

You cannot play a game in 1080p if the developers did not add the capability. If you force it to play in 1080p and the game does not support it the ps3 will display the game in 480p. The tv will change the resolution accordingly to the ps3 output and the ps3 does not upscale

It's HD-ready out of the box. hazelnutman

If you want your PS3 to be displaying stuff in HD, you're going to have to buy an HMDI cable, or component cables separately. It's a shame the PS3 doesn't come with cables necessary to display in HD. Maybe if Sony was actually making a profit on every PS3 sold they could afford to include an HDMI/Component cables with every PS3. Oh well, you can get an HDMI cable cheap so it isn't really a big deal. I bought one for my 120GB for less than $20.

I can't remember the correct term it's called but playing through games I notice 2 horizontal lines interfering with the picture which gets quite nasty. I tried the display settings making it to 720/1080, but the screen just goes blank. Will I need to buy an HDMI cable or is there another way around this? I own a Full HD 100Hz.
Cheers,

all this talk and i still dont know what to do! stop ur arguing. you people are saying that its better to get 720p than 1080p for ps3 because all you'll get with 1080p is upscaled quality. so i should get me a big hd ready 720p max to get the best quality out of my games? just answer that!

Hevion

@ Shawty: Man, you REALLY love these HDTV threads, don't you? :P

@ Hevion: Basically what he's saying is that if the primary content you plan on using your PS3 for is 720p (i.e. most games and channels that play in HD), then you can save the money and get a 720p HDTV. However, if you plan on utilizing Blu-Ray amongst other things then the 1080p gives you a lot more flexibility overall.

I will agree with the whole "PS3 is irrelevant" thing in regards to outputting lower resolution signals to a 1080p HDTV (the ones primarily used for games). What I disagree with is the PS3 being irrelevant in regards to the TV. As someone said, yes, the end result WILL technically be 1080p upscaled, but this does not mean that the input doesn't matter as much as the output. I'm assuming this isn't what Shawty was saying as he seems pretty well-versed on the subject.

Shawty and I had a debate a while back about the relevance of 1080p in HDTVs smaller than 40 inches. 1080p matters if you are sitting close enough to see the difference in picture quality. Bear is mind, this only applies to Native 1080p content like a Blu-Ray, not upscaled.

I have a 65" 1080p DLP HDTV. It actively tells me what input resolution it's receiving. Broadcast TV is 480p (no HD channels), most games are output at 720p, and Blu-Rays are 1080p. This flashes on a dialog box in the corner of my screen when I change inputs. In the end, at 1080p will give you more options resolution-wise.

So in short TC, if main goal is to play games in good quality, you can save money and just get a 720p. But if you plan on watching movies in addition to playing games and want the best quality possible, 1080p is the best way to go. Just remember that the differences in 720p and 1080p are noticed most when you are close enough to the TV to see the difference. There are charts and calculators online to help you find the optimal viewing distance to get the most out of your TV.

Hope this helps.

[QUOTE="hazelnutman"]It's HD-ready out of the box. The PS3 can run any PS3 game at any resolution you want it to, but usually, there is always a NATIVE resolution for all games you want to play in HD. For example, Resistance 2 has a native resolution of 720p, but you can upscale it to 1080p if you have a TV compatible with full 1080p or downscale it to whatever your TV can do. Of course, most games tend to actually look cleaner in its native resolution, so getting an HDTV which can go with most resolutions (1080p, 1080i, 720p, etc.) is the safest bet for getting the most out of your PS3.shawty1984

I can't remember the correct term it's called but playing through games I notice 2 horizontal lines interfering with the picture which gets quite nasty. I tried the display settings making it to 720/1080, but the screen just goes blank. Will I need to buy an HDMI cable or is there another way around this? I own a Full HD 100Hz.
Cheers,

txr302

It sounds like you're talking about screen tearing (sometimes called "frame tearing"). It's when one image in a frameset starts to display before the previous one has had time to process, resulting in what looks like a cut or "tear" in the image. Too much screen tearing can be very unpleasant to look at and has been known to make some people nauseous. That's usually a problem with the source content, not the display. Don't get me wrong, if the screen's refresh rate is too slow then it'll promote screen tearing, but it's more likely the result of an unstable framerate.

Some games are notorious for screen tearing, Battlefield: Bad Company 2 being one of them. What games was it happening on?

Yes, I have a full 1080p tv, and games that are native 720p will run in 720p. But it is up to you, you can changed the settings on your ps3 to force it to upscale to 1080p.

so lets say i buy a 32" full hd 1080p would i be able to run a game on 720p in order to view it in native or will the ps3 just force it on 1080p?

Hevion

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[QUOTE="hazelnutman"]It's HD-ready out of the box. The PS3 can run any PS3 game at any resolution you want it to, but usually, there is always a NATIVE resolution for all games you want to play in HD. For example, Resistance 2 has a native resolution of 720p, but you can upscale it to 1080p if you have a TV compatible with full 1080p or downscale it to whatever your TV can do. Of course, most games tend to actually look cleaner in its native resolution, so getting an HDTV which can go with most resolutions (1080p, 1080i, 720p, etc.) is the safest bet for getting the most out of your PS3.MethodManFTW

seriously? the PS3 sends the tv a 720p signal, the hdtv will then take that signal and scale it to the fixed resolution. its not hard to understand.

@Txr, what cables are you using? @HEVION, you are worrying too much about resolution.

720p or 1080p for the size tv you want will not be a big difference. people get too caught up in resolutions. there are more factors besides just resolution that equal good PQ. if you had a 1080p tv with crappy ratios, then a 720p tv with better ratios will LOOK BETTER than the 1080p set. resolution isnt everything. for a long time LCDS with 1080p res were losing to 720p plasmas( in hdtv shoot outs) because of the color levels.

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A 1080p cant do 720p as such. The end result will be 1080p upscaled, not 720p.

bizzy420

seriously? the PS3 sends the tv a 720p signal, the hdtv will then take that signal and scale it to the fixed resolution. its not hard to understand.

@Txr, what cables are you using? @HEVION, you are worrying too much about resolution.

720p or 1080p for the size tv you want will not be a big difference. people get too caught up in resolutions. there are more factors besides just resolution that equal good PQ. if you had a 1080p tv with crappy ratios, then a 720p tv with better ratios will LOOK BETTER than the 1080p set. resolution isnt everything. for a long time LCDS with 1080p res were losing to 720p plasmas( in hdtv shoot outs) because of the color levels.

This is correct.

all this talk and i still dont know what to do! stop ur arguing. you people are saying that its better to get 720p than 1080p for ps3 because all you'll get with 1080p is upscaled quality. so i should get me a big hd ready 720p max to get the best quality out of my games? just answer that!

Hevion

I would say get a 1080p television, I don't want to turn this into a LCD vs Plasma thread but 1080p is the maximum resolution so for sure it will be able to display it. What everyone is arguing about is that 720p has a certain amount of pixels, let's just say 100 (there are millions on the screen but I don't want long numbers) If 100 is the amount of pixels on the screen for 720p then that means that 1080p, being a higher resolution has to have more. Let's just say 1080p has 1000 pixels, if you have a 1080p television then that means that the television has 1000 pixels to display to cover the whole screen but if a game is 100 pixels then it can't fit the whole screen and if you have 1000 pixels for the whole screen but only use 100 pixels the actual image will be smaller than your whole tv. I would say that you get a Sony Bravia television because I have a Sony Bravia 1080p HDTV W-series 40". They aren't very expensive and games look outstanding on it. Also when I go to HDMI1 (the output my ps3 is using) it says 720pHD which means it's recieving a 720p signal. Basically the game won't look worse, just get a 1080p television because then you can play 720p HD games in all their glory and also play some 1080p HD games like Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, many games on the PSstore and MGS4. If you don't know what HDMI to get then I suggest Monster HDMI, they have great quality HDMI but you don't need the $80 ones, only the cheap ones because gaming and blu-ray only have speeds of up to 24hz (gaming has a lower speed that 24hz, but blu-ray I believe is that much) So you only need higher than that, I have a 120hz hdmi but that's just to make it "future-proof" Like when PS4 comes out it will use more hz, I won't have to buy another HDMI cable.

Sorry for the double post but what it will look like is exactly like if it were a 720p game only it's upscaled to fit the screen. The quality of the image will not be lost but if you DO get a Sony Bravia then message me so I can send you the specifications. When you get it you will have a default amount of brightness, colour, sharpness, contrast, etc. in the image but if you get it I can send you step-to-step instructions of how to change them (I did research on what they should be and found a medium that is good for normal TV viewing and gaming, but that doesn't mean that you should't change up some games like Uncharted 2 was way too bright for me so I just toned down the brightness for Uncharted 2 in-game) and what you should change them to. If you want something that isn't all that expensive get a BRAVIA W-series, if you have the money and want the best of the best get a BRAVIA XBR-series.

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all this talk and i still dont know what to do! stop ur arguing. you people are saying that its better to get 720p than 1080p for ps3 because all you'll get with 1080p is upscaled quality. so i should get me a big hd ready 720p max to get the best quality out of my games? just answer that!

XVision84

I would say get a 1080p television, I don't want to turn this into a LCD vs Plasma thread but 1080p is the maximum resolution so for sure it will be able to display it. What everyone is arguing about is that 720p has a certain amount of pixels, let's just say 100 (there are millions on the screen but I don't want long numbers) If 100 is the amount of pixels on the screen for 720p then that means that 1080p, being a higher resolution has to have more. Let's just say 1080p has 1000 pixels, if you have a 1080p television then that means that the television has 1000 pixels to display to cover the whole screen but if a game is 100 pixels then it can't fit the whole screen and if you have 1000 pixels for the whole screen but only use 100 pixels the actual image will be smaller than your whole tv. I would say that you get a Sony Bravia television because I have a Sony Bravia 1080p HDTV W-series 40". They aren't very expensive and games look outstanding on it. Also when I go to HDMI1 (the output my ps3 is using) it says 720pHD which means it's recieving a 720p signal. Basically the game won't look worse, just get a 1080p television because then you can play 720p HD games in all their glory and also play some 1080p HD games like Gran Turismo 5 Prologue, many games on the PSstore and MGS4. If you don't know what HDMI to get then I suggest Monster HDMI, they have great quality HDMI but you don't need the $80 ones, only the cheap ones because gaming and blu-ray only have speeds of up to 24hz (gaming has a lower speed that 24hz, but blu-ray I believe is that much) So you only need higher than that, I have a 120hz hdmi but that's just to make it "future-proof" Like when PS4 comes out it will use more hz, I won't have to buy another HDMI cable.

Just to clarify, film runs at 24Hz (aka 24 frames per second) but games run higher; usually they run at 30Hz or 60Hz on consoles. The Hz level is the refresh rate or number of frames per second the TV is capable of. For gaming 60Hz should be fine, but I recommend 120Hz or higher just to be safe. No worries about extra screen tearing or anything. Plus, some sports programming in HD runs at 60 frames per second as do many racing games, hack and slash, and the Call Of Duty series.

For 120Hz to be possible, both your TV AND HDMI cable have to support it.