Blu Ray HELP!! Why is it WIDESCREEN!

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#1 Posted by Ahammer80 (325 posts) -
Recently I just bought SuperMan Returns and Black hawk down on bluray, Both movies are in the widescreen format with the black bars on the top and bottom when I play them in 1080i. However when I set my PS3 to 720p, it plays these movies in full screen. Why is that? Is it because my TV isnt 1080P? I have the 50 Inch DLP Samsung tv. It does 720p/1080i. Does it do the same thing for 1080p or can you view it in full screen at 1080p? And also, which looks better for blu ray movies between 1080i and 720p. I know the ideal resolution is 1080p, but what if my TV only supports 720p/1080i, which is better?
#2 Posted by crck (2559 posts) -
Those movies are suppose to have black bars even with a widescreen tv.  They were shot in a 2.4-1 ratio which most action flicks are.  Widescreen movies that take up the whole screen on a widescreen tv are shot in 1.85 to 1 ratio.  Animated films comedies and dramas are usually produced at this ratio.
#3 Posted by Ahammer80 (325 posts) -
Those movies are suppose to have black bars even with a widescreen tv. They were shot in a 2.4-1 ratio which most action flicks are. Widescreen movies that take up the whole screen on a widescreen tv are shot in 1.85 to 1 ratio. Animated films comedies and dramas are usually produced at this ratio.crck
Those movies are suppose to have black bars even with a widescreen tv. They were shot in a 2.4-1 ratio which most action flicks are. Widescreen movies that take up the whole screen on a widescreen tv are shot in 1.85 to 1 ratio. Animated films comedies and dramas are usually produced at this ratio.crck
So not all blu ray movies will have the black bars if i play them in 1080i? Like for instance does click have the black bars on blu ray?
#4 Posted by crck (2559 posts) -
I dont know about Click you'll have to check the back of the case.  It will tell you the screen ratio there.  Ice Age Meltdown for example is presented in 1.85 to 1 ratio so it fills the whole screen.
#5 Posted by Ahammer80 (325 posts) -
I dont know about Click you'll have to check the back of the case. It will tell you the screen ratio there. Ice Age Meltdown for example is presented in 1.85 to 1 ratio so it fills the whole screen.crck
I never knew that, so if i watched Ice age in 1080i,. it would be full screen?
#6 Posted by recce5 (207 posts) -
The black bars the top and bottom of your TV screen is independent of whether you're setting the PS3 to 720p, 1080i or 1080p output. As others have mentioned, only movies with 2.35:1 ratio will have the black bars when viewed on a 16:9 widescreen TV (which is basically ALL the HDTVs on the market right now). A 16:9 movie will show full screen on your 16:9 HDTV. However, with some HDTVs, you can zoom in on the centre 3/4 portion of the 2.35:1 movie and show it at full screen on the TV, this has the effect of removing the black bars but it also removes some image from the extreme left and right sides.
#7 Posted by crck (2559 posts) -
[QUOTE="crck"]I dont know about Click you'll have to check the back of the case. It will tell you the screen ratio there. Ice Age Meltdown for example is presented in 1.85 to 1 ratio so it fills the whole screen.Ahammer80

I never knew that, so if i watched Ice age in 1080i,. it would be full screen?

  Yeah I have ice age and it fills the screen.  I also have Black Hawk down and it has black bars.  It all depends on how the company wanted to "shoot" the movie. 
#8 Posted by clubside (667 posts) -

My guess is that when you turned off 1080i it began playing your Blu-ray discs in 480P and that somehow kicks in some framing values from the disc to play at full-screen, cutting off some of the information. Remember, the PS3 doesn't play Blu-ray at 720P, only 1080P, 1080i, 480P and 480i. Like DVD, movies could always be encoded with framing information, though most DVD manufacturers chose to release either full-screen/widescreen flippers or seperate full-screen versions rather than the arduous coding of alternate framing in the MPEG2 video stream. It seems odd, however, that it doesn't just draw the black bars no matter what resolution is chosen like with 2.40:1 DVDs.

All Blu-ray software is widescreen because 1080P is a widescreen format, 1.78:1 (though 1.85:1 will also fill your screen). In the future there may be some non-widescreen content (like TV shows) but this will most likely be recorded with black bars to the left and right. As other posters have mentioned, check the back of the Blu-ray case. Any movie with an aspect ratio greater than 1.85:1 will display with top and bottom black bars to correctly frame the image.

With your current setup you should leave 1080i checked (along with 720P) to ensure movies and 1080P games play properly at 1080i. You mention you have a Samsung DLP which may have setup options designed to eliminate bars when at 480P so you might have to check that if you don't switch back to 1080i but want to get the full visual (i.e. widescreen).

#9 Posted by rahzel54 (1732 posts) -
blu-ray movies are only encoded at 1080p, but support 1080i. they will not downscale to 720p. therefore, if you disable 1080i in your ps3 settings, it will play in 480p, which is why it played in 4:3 with black bars. in HD resolutions (720p+) you cannot use 4:3 mode, only 16:9.
#10 Posted by squirrelgrrrl84 (298 posts) -
blu-ray movies are only encoded at 1080p, but support 1080i. they will not downscale to 720p. therefore, if you disable 1080i in your ps3 settings, it will play in 480p, which is why it played in 4:3 with black bars. in HD resolutions (720p+) you cannot use 4:3 mode, only 16:9.rahzel54
blu-ray movies support 720p, as well as 480i/p, and 1080i/p. as far as i know, it's the ps3 that can't play blu-ray movies in 720p (due to the lack of a functioning scaler) though i'm not entirely sure about that, since i play my ps3 at 1080p without a problem. the rest of your message is generally incorrect also.
#11 Posted by bdhoff (4104 posts) -
[QUOTE="rahzel54"]blu-ray movies are only encoded at 1080p, but support 1080i. they will not downscale to 720p. therefore, if you disable 1080i in your ps3 settings, it will play in 480p, which is why it played in 4:3 with black bars. in HD resolutions (720p+) you cannot use 4:3 mode, only 16:9.squirrelgrrrl84

blu-ray movies support 720p, as well as 480i/p, and 1080i/p. as far as i know, it's the ps3 that can't play blu-ray movies in 720p (due to the lack of a functioning scaler) though i'm not entirely sure about that, since i play my ps3 at 1080p without a problem. the rest of your message is generally incorrect also.

Right. The PS3 will not downscale Blu-Ray movies to 720p. But there are standalone players that will.
#12 Posted by RahKayne (3436 posts) -

Recently I just bought SuperMan Returns and Black hawk down on bluray, Both movies are in the widescreen format with the black bars on the top and bottom when I play them in 1080i. However when I set my PS3 to 720p, it plays these movies in full screen. Why is that? Is it because my TV isnt 1080P? I have the 50 Inch DLP Samsung tv. It does 720p/1080i. Does it do the same thing for 1080p or can you view it in full screen at 1080p? And also, which looks better for blu ray movies between 1080i and 720p. I know the ideal resolution is 1080p, but what if my TV only supports 720p/1080i, which is better?Ahammer80

 

yeah a common misconception is that alll widescreen dvd etc are good for widescreen hdtvs.  However true theater widescreen is actually wider than the standard widescreen hdtv.

Now if you have a regular widescreen dvd  (1.4:1??)  you should be fine.  However with any format you should have a hdtv remote or options to stretch, zoom, sidebar, or make the video full screen. 

#13 Posted by bruce-leroy (1325 posts) -
keep in mind that zooming or stretching can distort the image and reduce picture quality
#14 Posted by rahzel54 (1732 posts) -
[QUOTE="squirrelgrrrl84"][QUOTE="rahzel54"]blu-ray movies are only encoded at 1080p, but support 1080i. they will not downscale to 720p. therefore, if you disable 1080i in your ps3 settings, it will play in 480p, which is why it played in 4:3 with black bars. in HD resolutions (720p+) you cannot use 4:3 mode, only 16:9.bdhoff

blu-ray movies support 720p, as well as 480i/p, and 1080i/p. as far as i know, it's the ps3 that can't play blu-ray movies in 720p (due to the lack of a functioning scaler) though i'm not entirely sure about that, since i play my ps3 at 1080p without a problem. the rest of your message is generally incorrect also.

Right. The PS3 will not downscale Blu-Ray movies to 720p. But there are standalone players that will.

well that isn't right then. if it supports it, it would play it. its not like the disc itself is scaling down to 720p. you need a standalone player to scale it for you. like i said, blu-ray movies are only encoded to 1080, so if you disable 720p in your PS3, it will play at 480p. the only mistake i made, was that it supports 480 as well.
#15 Posted by rahzel54 (1732 posts) -
[QUOTE="rahzel54"]blu-ray movies are only encoded at 1080p, but support 1080i. they will not downscale to 720p. therefore, if you disable 1080i in your ps3 settings, it will play in 480p, which is why it played in 4:3 with black bars. in HD resolutions (720p+) you cannot use 4:3 mode, only 16:9.squirrelgrrrl84
blu-ray movies support 720p, as well as 480i/p, and 1080i/p. as far as i know, it's the ps3 that can't play blu-ray movies in 720p (due to the lack of a functioning scaler) though i'm not entirely sure about that, since i play my ps3 at 1080p without a problem. the rest of your message is generally incorrect also.

NOTHING in my message is incorrect. but the majority of your message is incorrect. i guess you could say that i was incorrect in that some standalone players will downscale to 720p (which i knew, but were talking about the PS3 here), but that does not mean blu-ray movies support 720p. you need a scaler to do so. thats like saying DVD movies support 1080i/720p because there are upconverting DVD players that can do it.