Anonymous targets Sony

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]FYI - You can jailbreak your iPhone and get basically every app for free.mattamomo

can i just say and end this iphone thing

you can jailbreak it, but that is all you can do legally

if you download apps, then you have broken the law, you have stole a companys game and not paid the price

just because you jailbreak it, it does not makes stealing any better

(bit off topic but hey)

[QUOTE="mattamomo"]

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]FYI - You can jailbreak your iPhone and get basically every app for free.MethodManFTW

can i just say and end this iphone thing

you can jailbreak it, but that is all you can do legally

if you download apps, then you have broken the law, you have stole a companys game and not paid the price

just because you jailbreak it, it does not makes stealing any better

(bit off topic but hey)

i had an iphone and refused to jailbreak it, it is ok, but you cant do anything legal on it once its jailbroken

your taking away money from your favourite game producers and come on, 59p to £5 is not that much money to spend on a game

Good-LAWD, you two!!!

Ya see, folks? This is what I'm on about with my wall of text on the previous page!!!

:lol:

And i have never felt like a dev didn't earn their money when the game is good. I ENJOY paying for a great game because I know I'm supporting a talent (and their families). $1 or $5 for a good app is cheap, by me. Even $60 is just, when the game makes you feel good.

Good-LAWD, you two!!!

Ya see, folks? This is what I'm on about with my wall of text on the previous page!!!

:lol:

MonkeySpot

[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]

Good-LAWD, you two!!!

Ya see, folks? This is what I'm on about with my wall of text on the previous page!!!

:lol:

MethodManFTW

No no... I get it. ANd the discussion is cool. But talking about breaking into a phone, and apps become "free"... it just seemed a bit ironic. Made me laugh, in a good way.

:D

I apologize to all here if I took your words out of context. Being angry over evolution of a product, and feeling victimized by a bait & switch is all well and good, no company should be allowed to dupe their customer base. But hear me out.

Can anyone tell me what they would mod their PS3 to do, taking all grey-area and out-right illegal uses out of the question and off the table? What would you use the PS3 for, once modded? What would you run on it, what use would it have, what technological need it would fulfill that you can't find with the computer in front of you right now? Would you wire your thermastat to it for HVAC control? Run a home alarm system? Network cook books for your kitchen? I'm not trying to be flipant - I'm curious, because outside of running copied software or cheating the system, I've never heard anyone come up with a legitimate use. It seems to me, as if lots of folks are standing behind the premise of being horn-swaggled by promises the company had no intention of keeping, which is convenient righteousness to drape their real desires in, so as to seem on the side of what's right even though what they'll actually use it for is entirely different behind closed doors.

I honestly would like to hear uses for OtherOS or a modded console from someone who wanted to use it, and what for. What use a modded PS3 would be, if not for some sort of nefarious purpose. I think if you can make a solid argument for it, I would support your position, whole-heartedly. This reminds me, in ways, of the debate over legalizing marijuana... Yes, it has legitimate medical use and provides comfort to people in dire need. But that's not the focus for 90% of the people who fight for the law to be changed, and everyone knows it. Prohibition was a miserable failure, enacted by a minority to try and impose their personal beliefs and values on an entire nation. Certainly, it was doomed to fail from the start because humans (heck, ALL animals) have shown the desire for intoxicants, to relax, to relieve pain, and to engage in social discourse or activity. Shutting down legitimate avenues for the distribution of liquor created a new strata of criminal, and it killed or otherwise greatly harmed quite a few people from bathtub gin and the like. We see the same thing happening with pot, where people who would normally smoke weed turn to other far more harmful substances as a replacement...

... But most of the people who have medical marijuana cards aren't sick from anything but perceived oppression from the authorities.

It was asked here in this thread whether I believed that every modded console was for stealing or cheating. No, I don't believe that everyone is a crook, but the vast majority of users would, indeed, given the tools, use them for ill-gotten gains. None of us on this forum are naive, or snow-white innocent. We know what MOST people would use it for. Not all, but MOST. Kazaa and Napster weren't invented to bring the music and film industry of the wolrd crashing down around artists and label's ankles, but let's be honest - Not many people traded home movies or other personally created stuff through file-sharing sites and programs. Yes, it can be used in such a way, but the majority of the Internet didn't hold themselves to that line. They crossed it. In bigger, and more damaging ways than anyone ever expected back in 1988 when the first MP3 was sent across the net (yes, it's been going on that long).

So I ask all of you ("you" meaning the group assembled, not one person inparticular), What would you do with your modded console? If the answer is "I'd use it to finally beat the boss on (Single-Player Only Game Here), and i would never cross the line and use it for illegal purposes" then that's a hard thing to prove as fact and once you have the tech in your paws, even harder to verify. None of us know you as you know yourself, and I would no more trust another human being to walk the straight-and-narrow than they would feel like trusting me, based on a verbal promise. That's how you end up buying swamp land or the Brooklyn Bridge nine times out of ten in this day & age.

I am completely open to discussion, but please don't ask me to trust your moral compass because you say it points true, and that that should be reason enough. Because no offense, but it just isn't.

The phone analogy doesn't hold water, because though the owner who posted that comment isn't using the phone to upset any apple carts, if Apple found out you were using it to grab stuff off iTunes without paying for it (as lots of people would do if they had a phone that would do it), or T-Mobile found out you had modded the phone to skip the minute counter, etc. you would be in violation of the terms of service - stealing, and that's what the majority of users would do with a modded console. Perhaps not one person in this thread would do it, but you know someone who would. We ALL do.

Can anyone turn me on to what I'm missing out on with these features removed, and not being able to mod my gear? I ask in all seriousness. Enlighten me, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Peace and Respect to you all.

:)

MonkeySpot

Anyone care to respond to my question, above? I'm still waiting (and I don't mean that to sound snotty or snyde). I have posed this question before on GameSpot and other game forums and I have yet to see anyone even respond, let alone explain. It seems like the answer is...

... elusive. Even to those who claim they're put off by the above features being whisked away.

Anyone?

:?

[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]

I apologize to all here if I took your words out of context. Being angry over evolution of a product, and feeling victimized by a bait & switch is all well and good, no company should be allowed to dupe their customer base. But hear me out.

Can anyone tell me what they would mod their PS3 to do, taking all grey-area and out-right illegal uses out of the question and off the table? What would you use the PS3 for, once modded? What would you run on it, what use would it have, what technological need it would fulfill that you can't find with the computer in front of you right now? Would you wire your thermastat to it for HVAC control? Run a home alarm system? Network cook books for your kitchen? I'm not trying to be flipant - I'm curious, because outside of running copied software or cheating the system, I've never heard anyone come up with a legitimate use. It seems to me, as if lots of folks are standing behind the premise of being horn-swaggled by promises the company had no intention of keeping, which is convenient righteousness to drape their real desires in, so as to seem on the side of what's right even though what they'll actually use it for is entirely different behind closed doors.

I honestly would like to hear uses for OtherOS or a modded console from someone who wanted to use it, and what for. What use a modded PS3 would be, if not for some sort of nefarious purpose. I think if you can make a solid argument for it, I would support your position, whole-heartedly. This reminds me, in ways, of the debate over legalizing marijuana... Yes, it has legitimate medical use and provides comfort to people in dire need. But that's not the focus for 90% of the people who fight for the law to be changed, and everyone knows it. Prohibition was a miserable failure, enacted by a minority to try and impose their personal beliefs and values on an entire nation. Certainly, it was doomed to fail from the start because humans (heck, ALL animals) have shown the desire for intoxicants, to relax, to relieve pain, and to engage in social discourse or activity. Shutting down legitimate avenues for the distribution of liquor created a new strata of criminal, and it killed or otherwise greatly harmed quite a few people from bathtub gin and the like. We see the same thing happening with pot, where people who would normally smoke weed turn to other far more harmful substances as a replacement...

... But most of the people who have medical marijuana cards aren't sick from anything but perceived oppression from the authorities.

It was asked here in this thread whether I believed that every modded console was for stealing or cheating. No, I don't believe that everyone is a crook, but the vast majority of users would, indeed, given the tools, use them for ill-gotten gains. None of us on this forum are naive, or snow-white innocent. We know what MOST people would use it for. Not all, but MOST. Kazaa and Napster weren't invented to bring the music and film industry of the wolrd crashing down around artists and label's ankles, but let's be honest - Not many people traded home movies or other personally created stuff through file-sharing sites and programs. Yes, it can be used in such a way, but the majority of the Internet didn't hold themselves to that line. They crossed it. In bigger, and more damaging ways than anyone ever expected back in 1988 when the first MP3 was sent across the net (yes, it's been going on that long).

So I ask all of you ("you" meaning the group assembled, not one person inparticular), What would you do with your modded console? If the answer is "I'd use it to finally beat the boss on (Single-Player Only Game Here), and i would never cross the line and use it for illegal purposes" then that's a hard thing to prove as fact and once you have the tech in your paws, even harder to verify. None of us know you as you know yourself, and I would no more trust another human being to walk the straight-and-narrow than they would feel like trusting me, based on a verbal promise. That's how you end up buying swamp land or the Brooklyn Bridge nine times out of ten in this day & age.

I am completely open to discussion, but please don't ask me to trust your moral compass because you say it points true, and that that should be reason enough. Because no offense, but it just isn't.

The phone analogy doesn't hold water, because though the owner who posted that comment isn't using the phone to upset any apple carts, if Apple found out you were using it to grab stuff off iTunes without paying for it (as lots of people would do if they had a phone that would do it), or T-Mobile found out you had modded the phone to skip the minute counter, etc. you would be in violation of the terms of service - stealing, and that's what the majority of users would do with a modded console. Perhaps not one person in this thread would do it, but you know someone who would. We ALL do.

Can anyone turn me on to what I'm missing out on with these features removed, and not being able to mod my gear? I ask in all seriousness. Enlighten me, I would sincerely appreciate it.

Peace and Respect to you all.

:)

MonkeySpot

Anyone care to respond to my question, above? I'm still waiting (and I don't mean that to sound snotty or snyde). I have posed this question before on GameSpot and other game forums and I have yet to see anyone even respond, let alone explain. It seems like the answer is...

... elusive. Even to those who claim they're put off by the above features being whisked away.

Anyone?

:?

thats one hella long question

So is this "attack" still going on?

Sony might want to reconsider their actions.

Anyone care to respond to my question, above? I'm still waiting (and I don't mean that to sound snotty or snyde). I have posed this question before on GameSpot and other game forums and I have yet to see anyone even respond, let alone explain. It seems like the answer is...

... elusive. Even to those who claim they're put off by the above features being whisked away.

Anyone?

:?

MonkeySpot

well for starters i would like other OS back as it would be nice to know that if i needed to install an OS on it, i could. also the idea of open development, for people who want to make things for it other than the pirating/hacking community. theres tons of android games & apps that are free, good and don't infringe on anyones rights.

[QUOTE="MonkeySpot"]

Anyone care to respond to my question, above? I'm still waiting (and I don't mean that to sound snotty or snyde). I have posed this question before on GameSpot and other game forums and I have yet to see anyone even respond, let alone explain. It seems like the answer is...

... elusive. Even to those who claim they're put off by the above features being whisked away.

Anyone?

:?

z4twenny

well for starters i would like other OS back as it would be nice to know that if i needed to install an OS on it, i could. also the idea of open development, for people who want to make things for it other than the pirating/hacking community. theres tons of android games & apps that are free, good and don't infringe on anyones rights.

Are you a programmer? Could you make stuff yourself?

:)

I'm hip to the Android concept, and I can see your point. It's a good one, for sure, and it's the first time anyone has answered the question with any sort of response... So you get a Gold Star for the day, 'twenty. But what would the benefit be of running it on your PS3 as apposed to a PC? Is the attraction coming from an integrated gamepad (controller, which most phones fail at), or would it be the new-market territory (because the phone app market is so saturated, your program would be a bigger fish in a smaller pond?)

I want to stress that I am asking a question and not trying to debate, I agree with the concept... And I'm interested in your viewpoint. Because if I've learned anything in my forty-plus years on the planet, it's that I don't know everything... And I'm always up for learning as apposed to closing my mind to possibilities.

Thank you, 'twenty! And I'm glad I haven't ticked you off to the point of telling me to shove it and just walking away. Cuppa coffee on me one day, m'friend (if you don't mind me calling you that).

Does anyone else have ideas, or something more detailed in concept? I think this is a great topic for all of us to learn from. And perhaps you'll find me on your side. If you'd have me, that is...

:lol:

And to folks who are daunted by a Wall o' Text, I really wish you would read itbecause you may well have an important view the rest of us could benefit from if you'd take a minute to peruse it, and join the discussion. I would appreciate it.

Sony might want to reconsider their actions.

CheekyIchi

[QUOTE="CheekyIchi"]

Sony might want to reconsider their actions.

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="CheekyIchi"]

Sony might want to reconsider their actions.

Flame_Blade88

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Yes, because a bunch of idiots revealing to the world that a Sony official is married and drives a car is putting the entire corporation at serious risk. lmao

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"] Next we might find out what time that guy takes a s*** every day.Flame_Blade88

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] I'm guessing its just before he wipes his butt with their money. :lol:

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="Flame_Blade88"] Kids get their report cards leaked too :lol:Flame_Blade88

Well, it seems Sony is enlisting help to fight them. Take a look And really these attacks have to stop, they are going to do anything, and really, Jailbreaking is violting things, they broke the law, face the price. Don't fight them. Although, what someone said on another site "Ironic, how Anontmous is all about getting truth about people, and showing them for there true colors, and yet, Anonymous hides behind a mask not saying who they are"

you can check out the anon chat on there Open IRC channel. They seem to be using LOIC to bomb out alot of Sony websites & Although no members broadcast or mention an attack on PSN. The UK PSN has been messing up all night

Take a look

http://irc.lc/AnonOps/Opsony

All controversy aside, I think these guys are kind of awesome. As a, *ahem*, programmer myself, I can sort of relate to the guys.

All controversy aside, I think these guys are kind of awesome. As a, *ahem*, programmer myself, I can sort of relate to the guys.

destinhpark

[QUOTE="destinhpark"]

All controversy aside, I think these guys are kind of awesome. As a, *ahem*, programmer myself, I can sort of relate to the guys.

MrSelf-Destruct

"The consumers in this are as one might call, collateral damage" said Takai, after being confronted, "we are very cognisant of the fact that we are not making friends nor allies among the average consumer with our attack. This is unfortunate as a concern should always be, will the very people we seek to support not see what it is we are trying to achieve. In this case, many don't. There has been a lot of hate spread throughout the internet and over forums that we are being reckless and simply punishing consumers more than Sony."

Um... The problem is that if they achieve what they are hoping to achieve they are still only going to hurt the average consumer and will not be supporting them. Please, Anon, don't try to help the average consumer. The average consumer doesn't want your help and certainly doesn't want to have to go through the BS its going to take for you to get your way.

Can anyone log into PSN because I can't and I have a great wifi connection.

Can anyone log into PSN because I can't and I have a great wifi connection.

e_stone001

Anyone care to respond to my question, above? I'm still waiting (and I don't mean that to sound snotty or snyde). I have posed this question before on GameSpot and other game forums and I have yet to see anyone even respond, let alone explain. It seems like the answer is...

... elusive. Even to those who claim they're put off by the above features being whisked away.

Anyone?

:?

MonkeySpot

Well I didn't read that whole thing, but from what I did it seems what you're asking is what are the benifits of hacking (illegals issues aside), right?

Well even though the PS3 hasn't been hacked for long there are a bunch of projects already started, heres just one I found:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/21/xbox-kinect-on-ps3-is-kevin-butlers-worst-nightmare-come-true/

there have also been emulators put on it and getting Other OS is in the works I believe.

But if you look at previous things that have been hacked for a while you can see all the cool things that lone programmers can do:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/15/kinect-homemade-power-gloves-3d-modeling-in-free-space-vide/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/university-of-washington-students-hack-kinect-to-aid-in-robotic/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/19/diy-3d-volumetric-display-kinect-hack-spices-up-the-fortress-o/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/17/kinect-projector-augmented-reality-fireballs-video/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/04/magic-mirror-kinect-hack-puts-an-x-ray-spin-on-augmented-reality/

http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/kinect-hack-turns-you-into-a-punching-waving-midi-controller/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/kinect-paired-with-vuzix-vr920-shades-creates-zany-virtual-real/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/20/two-kinects-join-forces-to-make-3d-telepresence-enable-virtual/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/19/kinect-and-haptics-combine-at-the-university-of-washington-to-le/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/14/kinect-hack-lets-you-reenact-big-piano-scene-video/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/10/kinect-gets-own-set-of-wheels-drives-a-car-nothing-can-stop-it/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/kinect-finally-fulfills-its-minority-report-destiny-video/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/kinect-used-as-a-quadrocopter-radar-video/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/02/kinect-now-offers-a-stealth-mode-courtesy-of-optical-camouflage/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/28/kinect-used-to-control-super-mario-on-a-pc-redefine-convergence/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/25/kinect-hack-lets-you-control-a-web-browser-using-only-the-force/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/17/kinect-data-massaged-into-retro-futuristic-box-cloud-ipad-til/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/hacked-kinect-taught-to-work-as-multitouch-interface/

I'm sure there's much more, but I those are just ones I found searching kinect hack on engadget. There are also a ton of things you can get for a jailbroken ipod/iphone too, like connecting and controlling it with a wiimote, playing on emulators (and no emulators aren't illegal, just most of the people who use them illegaly download the games instead of buying them), playing older computer games, changing the theme, installing adroid, installing different media players (more codecs), etc.

Anyway, with a powerful device like the PS3 you can only imagine what hackers could create on it.

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="destinhpark"]

All controversy aside, I think these guys are kind of awesome. As a, *ahem*, programmer myself, I can sort of relate to the guys.

frostybanana

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2011/04/06/the-worst-is-yet-to-come-anonymous-talks-to-playstation-lifestyle/ Anon does an interview with Playstation lifestyle... Some interesting threats.. MethodManFTW

[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] The lot of these guys aren't *ahem" programmers, though. Most of them are just spammers and trolls. A few of them come up with a way to hurt somebody and the rest of them fall in line posting information, spamming websites, trolling youtube videos, and making nasty phone calls like a bunch of mindless drones who can't think or act by themselves. They aren't standing up for anything. They are just conforming to a different system. I think its pretty pathetic.

MrSelf-Destruct

[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]

[QUOTE="frostybanana"] I don't think it's pathetic at all. Look at what we're doing right now. We're talking about them. As are a ton of other internet communities. News sources are reporting their actions and they're garnering attention as well as support. You can insult them all you want, but they've succeeded, at least in part, by creating a buzz around their actions. They are a known threat and are being acknowledged. So whatever the issues are or whomever you're siding with is irrelevant. They're doing what they set out to do and I think it's pretty impressive from that standpoint. If I launched some sort of anti-Sony attack you certainly wouldn't hear about it and I wouldn't have much of an effect. frostybanana

Why do we have to suffer too -_-punish09087

[QUOTE="e_stone001"]

Can anyone log into PSN because I can't and I have a great wifi connection.

MethodManFTW

I've been trying to configure my account information on PSN all evening. With a lot of toruble, because the site is acting up all night in the UK..

Their hacking is wasting my time. And no one has a right to waste anyones time without a good reason. Basically these guys are not my frineds, they're my enemies. If they're prepared to waste hours or even minutes of my life. Then I don't like them, they can go blow.

If they want to attack Sony they should find a way to do it without wasting innocent consumers time in the process. Otherwise thy're not doing these cyber attacks for the "greater good". They're simply doing it because they need a reason to cyber attack something, so they can get their kicks. Those with power always want to use it.

the sad thing about this is that really this isn't hurting sony but there it is hurting the users but anonymous is to stupid to realize thatelbert_b_23

This.

I am all for creative people developing new content, expressing themselves, and finding new uses for tech. But Anon isn't doing this to open a door, they're doing this to be obnoxious, and because they can. Calling them "impressive"... well... Let's take a look at that word...

McCarthyism? Impressive.

Nazi Germany? Impressive.

Stalinist Russia? Impressive.

Iran-Contra? Impressive.

9-11? Impressive.

All of these events were amazing mobilizations of thought and deed. The efficiency and "success" boggles the mind. Lots of things, when viewed without a trace of morality, can be described by that word. But the fact is, when innocents are harmed they are still monstrous and unconscionable, and in no way excusable by any stretch of the imagination.

Please read the above sentences again, because I don't want anyone getting in my face and saying what these guys are doing is nothing like what happened in Germany or Russia or NYC.

I would never trivialize anything I have listed above. I'm pointing out that being "impressed" by these actions is perhaps not what you meant to say. I'm not "impressed" by these murderous, horrible events I listed above because they effected my life directly. I lost family to the Nazi regime, and I lost six close friends on the NYFD when a building fell on them and drove them and the Hook & Ladder engine they were in seven floors into the ground, not to be found for months and when they did, it was only parts. Not even enough to bury, of some.

Hacking a PS3 doesn't take a life (yet), but the truth is that a PS3 has a powerful enough processor that it could be used for something as atrocious as guiding an ICBM. We're not talking about that (yet), but what we are discussing here, is a rebel faction which will not free us but bring further sanctions and invasive control into our gaming lives, and perhaps further. They need your support but when the dust settles, you can bet dolloars to donuts you won't have theirs. By stirring this hornet nest for no good reason past perceived consumer fraud, they will increase Big Brother's hold, just as the 9-11 attack succeeded in hampering and out-right destroying any freedoms the American people still had with the Patriot Act. Bush and his reprobates swiftly used that disaster to gain a footing in further control and invasion of the common US citizen's life. So now, in order to fly on a plane you have to go through "personal inspections", being touched in places reserved for a lover, and even "low" amounts of radiation administered to your body so that a stranger can see your wife or daughter's naked body in startling detail. Security cameras watch your every move. Dogs sniff your luggage. Police are allowed new liberties for temporary "check stations" and spot-inspections to investigate your business in a given neighborhood without showing just cause... All they need is suspicion, which they already have in truck-loads. The terror attacks gave them this power, they wear it as a flipping badge of honor and they screw with people openly and without justification falling back on 9-11 to excuse their own criminal behaviour and snooping.

This doesn't bother the terrorist groups of the world one little bit. THEY aren't getting stripped, THEY aren't getting bombarded with radiation. And THEIR governing body isn't crushing down on them whilst calling it "protecting freedom".

Sony will take this attack and put a yellow ribbon on it, and hold it up as reason to hike prices, cut services, and generally muck the whole thing up for the consumer, calling it "protection". They'll take your rights away, and hand you **** calling it Chocolate.

We, the average consumer, are the ones who will pay for this fracas. Not the hackers. We're the ones who will have DRM to deal with, and inspections of our hard drives without our knowledge, and on and on... These hackers are giving Sony exactly what they need: A Boogie Man to point the finger at.

"Impressive" or not, these people are not your friends, they're extremely talented, bored, and starved for attention. They're hanging you out to dry, calling you and me "collateral damage" like they're in an action film... Treating it like a Holy War, when in reality, a lot of us don't WANT to be "saved" from the Big-Bad called Sony. We don't fear a video game maker.

We know there are much, MUCH more insidious things out there in the world.

MUCH. WORSE.

Why not help us out with the new Stalins, Hitlers, George W.'s? Why not put that amazing intellect to work on something that matters? Because at the end of the day, video games and home electronics just aren't that important. Not when the US detains world citizens without Habeas Corpus. Not when genocide and decades of brutal warlord control threaten Africa's future, and rightful place at the table of Global Economics. Not when...

... not when PEOPLE are suffering, and dying, for **** sake.

Respect to you and your families, all.

MonkeySpot, are you an English major by any chance? :P

I tend to lose motivation around the 3rd paragraph but you, man, something else.

I agree of course and honestly I think this whole idea/situation has be blown up to a scale of which it really doesn't deserve to be. Taking anonymous(I'm gonna stop capitalizing their name from now, until I feel they've earned it back)seriously, especially when their backing up someone like "GeoHot", is a joke in and of itself. Hiding behind freedom of speech/expression is a real wasted effort considering that those "rights" are threaten by other things going on, not this PS3 hacking and jailbreak crap. Pretentious douchebags posing as fighting for the people, give me a break.:roll:

And that's pretty much all the **** I can give about this topic anymore.

MonkeySpot, are you an English major by any chance? :P

I tend to lose motivation around the 3rd paragraph but you, man, something else.

anime_gamer007

*Deep Bow*

Thank you. I'm no thinker, simply a humble sound engineer with a typing hand that can drone on for hours (and I'm sorry, to those who bristle at seeing my name in a thread, knowing the King James Bible of text walls is coming to their discussion...)

:lol:

I want the tools to be in the right hands, to create a better tomorrow - Or just a better "Angry Birds" - For all of us in the gaming community. The problem I see here is that this group (or individual who wants friends but has to make them up) is jumping the wrong hedge, and urinating in the wrong bowl of Wheaties. And sacrificing us as a community pawn in their game of "Hey Look What I Can Do".

An open system of development akin to Windows 7 or Android would be a wonderful thing, as some folks like 'twenty have pointed out... And I agree. But the seperate issue of these hackers attacking Sony, muddling with PSN UK (if the problem is indeed them, and not just a coincidental occurance) does nothing for you and me, it just gets their name in print and makes them into something they're SO not; Celebrity.

Paris Hilton at least had the courtesy to get naked in order to get anyone to pay her some attention...

... these guys won't even pony up their real NAMES.

I have new respect for Ms. Hilton, after watching the cowardly actions and reading the pumped-up pony-loaf words of these two-bit punks.

:lol:

they just struck again now there now tax on EVERYTHING in the psn store

they just struck again now there now tax on EVERYTHING in the psn store

starboy11

Just read this in the article on the front page:

"Anonymous is not attacking the PSN at this time," the update reads. "Sony's official position is that the PSN is undergoing maintenance. We realize that targeting the PSN is not a good idea. We have therefore temporarily suspended our action, until a method is found that will not severely impact Sony customers."

"Anonymous is on your side, standing up for your rights," the message continues. "We are not aiming to attack customers of Sony. This attack is aimed solely at Sony, and we will try our best to not affect the gamers, as this would defeat the purpose of our actions. If we did inconvenience users, please know that this was not our goal."

It's nice to see that at least one of them has common sense. I still don't agree with what they are trying to do, but I am very much relieved to see them realize and acknowledge that their current methods weren't going to do anything but hurt the rest of us.

Hmm, since money controls EVERYTHING in this world, i have to wonder, which of the two has more money? Annonymous or Sony....hmm......Yeah, im not worried lol., if they even do some how "Get back" at Sony, Sony will just tear them a new....you know what.....

Just read this in the article on the front page:

"Anonymous is not attacking the PSN at this time," the update reads. "Sony's official position is that the PSN is undergoing maintenance. We realize that targeting the PSN is not a good idea. We have therefore temporarily suspended our action, until a method is found that will not severely impact Sony customers."

"Anonymous is on your side, standing up for your rights," the message continues. "We are not aiming to attack customers of Sony. This attack is aimed solely at Sony, and we will try our best to not affect the gamers, as this would defeat the purpose of our actions. If we did inconvenience users, please know that this was not our goal."

It's nice to see that at least one of them has common sense. I still don't agree with what they are trying to do, but I am very much relieved to see them realize and acknowledge that their current methods weren't going to do anything but hurt the rest of us.

MrSelf-Destruct

I doubt it's possible to "attack" Sony without harming any of its constituents/stakeholders. Anon will end up hurting "innocents," even if it's to the slightest of degrees, regardless of what they do.

And even if their actions won't hurt those anon is "allegedly" fighting for directly, Sony will undoubtedly be forced to take certain "defensive measures" (PSN related or otherwise), which will only burden the consumers.

sigh...

I can't predict the future... but I simply can't imagine anything good coming from their self-serving BS, NOT-cleverly disguised as "retribution."