What did you think of the Last of Us ending? (WARNING: Spoilers)

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#51 Posted by MethodManFTW (25852 posts) -

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[QUOTE="DaRq_MiNoS"]

Yeah, but who would want to live in a society built by the Fireflies? They showed what they were all about by not asking Ellie, and letting her be the hero. She would have said yes. You can imagine it would've been like Robespierre's Reign of Terror.

Justforvisit

society built by Fireflies is better than the world they living in now with all the zombies and cannibals



So, giving up what makes us human in the end is the rescue of humanity?

aKa grabbing a little girl while she's unconscious and wanting to cut her open and kill her whilst she CLEARLY showed she had the intention to live?

No, that price is TOO DAMN HIGH to pay for the "sake of humanity", because if our society would be based upon THIS VERY ACT then it would turn US into the monsters.

Lol dude, look at all the atrocities in the real world. Terrible shit happens everywhere.
#52 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

[QUOTE="k--m--k"]

society built by Fireflies is better than the world they living in now with all the zombies and cannibals

MethodManFTW



So, giving up what makes us human in the end is the rescue of humanity?

aKa grabbing a little girl while she's unconscious and wanting to cut her open and kill her whilst she CLEARLY showed she had the intention to live?

No, that price is TOO DAMN HIGH to pay for the "sake of humanity", because if our society would be based upon THIS VERY ACT then it would turn US into the monsters.

Lol dude, look at all the atrocities in the real world. Terrible shit happens everywhere.



Oh, what a nice justification of "righting the wrong". "The world is already full of sh*t....hey, let's base a whole society on a cruel, atrocius, monstrous act"

Yeah..sounds TOTALLY right....

#53 Posted by MethodManFTW (25852 posts) -
Should we just all kill ourselves now because mass atrocities world wide?
#54 Posted by DaRq_MiNoS (566 posts) -

Should we just all kill ourselves now because mass atrocities world wide?MethodManFTW

Well, I honestly think the human race will be gone in 100 or 200 years. With the world population skyrocketing the way it is, and limited natural resources, and the greenhouse effect and all that, it's only a matter of time.

#55 Posted by k--m--k (1029 posts) -

lets not go out of the topic here

Ellie at the end of the game implied that she doesnt want anyone to suffer like her and her friend did and I am sure was ready to die for it

#56 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

lets not go out of the topic here

Ellie at the end of the game implied that she doesnt want anyone to suffer like her and her friend did and I am sure was ready to die for it

k--m--k



On the other hand she certainly didn't want to die as well. From the moment she tried to rescue Joel out of the bus until she woke up in the car stolen from the fireflies again....I highly doubt she would have her life ended like this, without the chance of saying goodbye to Joel as vice versa.

It was just a monstrous, inhuman act the fireflies where to execute, an act that would have made me puke my inside out. In the end they where to the Cure like the Cordyceps where to humans, or:

Cordyceps Infected: "HUUUMAAAN MUUUST BIIITE"
Fieflies: "CUUUREEEE MUUUST KIIIILL"

Especially, there was ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to rush it like they did, the world had been in this state for about 20 years and they CAN'T SPARE 2, 3 EFFING MORE DAYS to let them say goodbye to each other?

#57 Posted by k--m--k (1029 posts) -

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lets not go out of the topic here

Ellie at the end of the game implied that she doesnt want anyone to suffer like her and her friend did and I am sure was ready to die for it

Justforvisit



Especially, there was ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to rush it like they did, the world had been in this state for about 20 years and they CAN'T SPARE 2, 3 EFFING MORE DAYS to let them say goodbye to each other?

 

Dont think Joel would accept it even if he was allowed to say goodbye and all, he would still try to stop them.

#58 Posted by deebo_x (941 posts) -
Believe me I know about the horrors mankind has done in greater detail than you know, i'm a big history buff, But for this particular instance her life wasn't more important than the world. A lot of people commenting about saving her, yeah if your looking at it from Joel's view what if you were living in that world and had a family that was lucky to survive? Knowing the infected could come for you and yours anytime what then? you don't think one girl is worth it? What if your a person who had lost someone your telling me sacrificing one girl to save them, you wouldn't have considered?
#59 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]

[QUOTE="k--m--k"]

lets not go out of the topic here

Ellie at the end of the game implied that she doesnt want anyone to suffer like her and her friend did and I am sure was ready to die for it

k--m--k



Especially, there was ABSOLUTELY NO NEED to rush it like they did, the world had been in this state for about 20 years and they CAN'T SPARE 2, 3 EFFING MORE DAYS to let them say goodbye to each other?

Dont think Joel would accept it even if he was allowed to say goodbye and all, he would still try to stop them.



Maybe, but they also didn't even bother to wake up Ellie, telling her their plan, they just grab her out of the water and prepare her for the OP, like a piece of holy healing meat...if that isn't a disgusting, inhuman act as well, what else?

#60 Posted by zekere (2509 posts) -

Personally, I wished the player had the choice in either sacrificing Ellie or saving her. I understand what ND did with the ending, but I disliked killing the surgeons and the rest of the level...it didn't feel very Joelish...oh well, this way the have room for sequels...how about Ellie giving birth to creepy things...or new cures...ot would make Resident Evil feel like cupcakes!!!

#61 Posted by Young_Charter (19889 posts) -
[QUOTE="WiiMan21"][QUOTE="hrt_rulz01"]Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said. In a way it was incredibly selfish of Joel, but I was glad he saved Ellie. She is such a cool character. hrt_rulz01
It's very mixed, and I feel they did this on purpose. I feel like they're definitely rolling with the "There are no good guys or bad guys in this universe" idea, as to Joel looked almost psychopathic near the ending (which he did for the love of ellie).

Yeah I agree. At one stage I was thinking how bad it was that Joel (well me), was killing all these Firefly soldiers and brutally murdering Marlene, when they were sort of trying to do the right thing. But then I thought, if I was in the same situation, I think I would try to save her too (especially since she saved my life). What a great game!

I honestly have to admit that THAT made the closing up of the game so badass. As Joel was pretty much psychopathic (according to @WiiMan21) for going Max Payne on the Fireflies, killing Marlene, and lying to Ellie like that, It was the perfect way to close the game in my opinion. It shows how much Joel really cares for Ellie as much as he cared for Sarah. To the point where he told her that he thinks that they would've been close friends if she was still alive. Joel was slowly opening up to Ellie little by little as the game was progressing. The relationship of the two main characters was perfect. Even when they experienced Tess, Sam, and Henry dying in front of them and etc. Naughty Dog did a pretty damn good job with this game. It was some Resident Evil + Uncharted + Heavy Rain :lol: in my opinion.
#62 Posted by Young_Charter (19889 posts) -

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"]FYI - Naughty Dog has confirmed that Ellie is the cure to the infection. If she would of been cut open she would of been the cure. http://www.ign.com/videos/2013/06/21/the-last-of-us-spoilercastDaRq_MiNoS

Yeah, but who would want to live in a society built by the Fireflies? They showed what they were all about by not asking Ellie, and letting her be the hero. She would have said yes. You can imagine it would've been like Robespierre's Reign of Terror.

Hmmm. If that's the case, perhaps in the sequel the Fireflies are hunting for both Joel and Ellie who are now wanted and as a different society other than the Fireflies are fighting over them to gain the cure for mankind and etc.
#63 Posted by bigt503 (37 posts) -

[QUOTE="hrt_rulz01"]Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said. In a way it was incredibly selfish of Joel, but I was glad he saved Ellie. She is such a cool character. WiiMan21
It's very mixed, and I feel they did this on purpose. I feel like they're definitely rolling with the "There are no good guys or bad guys in this universe" idea, as to Joel looked almost psychopathic near the ending (which he did for the love of ellie).

 

Almost psycho? i went competly psycho i butcherd those doctors even when they were cowering, dispite the fact that just picking up ellie was an option 

#64 Posted by MethodManFTW (25852 posts) -
if that isn't a disgusting, inhuman act as well, what else?Justforvisit
oh.. maybe the 100s of dudes you murdered before hand in many different brutal executions.
#65 Posted by DaRq_MiNoS (566 posts) -

[QUOTE="Justforvisit"]if that isn't a disgusting, inhuman act as well, what else?MethodManFTW
oh.. maybe the 100s of dudes you murdered before hand in many different brutal executions.

lol omg. Yeah this game is NOT for humanitarians.

#66 Posted by klusps (10381 posts) -

Personally, I wished the player had the choice in either sacrificing Ellie or saving her. I understand what ND did with the ending, but I disliked killing the surgeons and the rest of the level...it didn't feel very Joelish...oh well, this way the have room for sequels...how about Ellie giving birth to creepy things...or new cures...ot would make Resident Evil feel like cupcakes!!!

zekere

 

In a way, it is kind of like Joel. If you noticed throughout the game, Joel would do almost anything to survive and he is pretty unforgiving; he is especially more brutal when Ellie is not around. For example the torture scene, shooting Marlene, leaving family behind at the intro, living life as a smuggler, revealing to Ellie how he has been on "both sides" of an ambush, David's description of Joel as a "crazy man", and Tommy saying he has nightmare of the horrible things Joel has done over the past 20 years. 

#67 Posted by k--m--k (1029 posts) -

[QUOTE="zekere"]

Personally, I wished the player had the choice in either sacrificing Ellie or saving her. I understand what ND did with the ending, but I disliked killing the surgeons and the rest of the level...it didn't feel very Joelish...oh well, this way the have room for sequels...how about Ellie giving birth to creepy things...or new cures...ot would make Resident Evil feel like cupcakes!!!

klusps

 

In a way, it is kind of like Joel. If you noticed throughout the game, Joel would do almost anything to survive and he is pretty unforgiving; he is especially more brutal when Ellie is not around. For example the torture scene, shooting Marlene, leaving family behind at the intro, living life as a smuggler, revealing to Ellie how he has been on "both sides" of an ambush, David's description of Joel as a "crazy man", and Tommy saying he has nightmare of the horrible things Joel has done over the past 20 years. 

Well, I guess after the death of his daughter, he left any morals over survival

it doesnt matter what you do, as long you survive, i bet he would have no problem to join the cannibals if it was his only way to survive 

#68 Posted by zekere (2509 posts) -

[QUOTE="zekere"]

Personally, I wished the player had the choice in either sacrificing Ellie or saving her. I understand what ND did with the ending, but I disliked killing the surgeons and the rest of the level...it didn't feel very Joelish...oh well, this way the have room for sequels...how about Ellie giving birth to creepy things...or new cures...ot would make Resident Evil feel like cupcakes!!!

klusps

 

In a way, it is kind of like Joel. If you noticed throughout the game, Joel would do almost anything to survive and he is pretty unforgiving; he is especially more brutal when Ellie is not around. For example the torture scene, shooting Marlene, leaving family behind at the intro, living life as a smuggler, revealing to Ellie how he has been on "both sides" of an ambush, David's description of Joel as a "crazy man", and Tommy saying he has nightmare of the horrible things Joel has done over the past 20 years. 

You know, after replaying the game once more, I admit that you are right and I was wrong. The ending is actually perfect...

#69 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

[QUOTE="MethodManFTW"][QUOTE="Justforvisit"]if that isn't a disgusting, inhuman act as well, what else?DaRq_MiNoS

oh.. maybe the 100s of dudes you murdered before hand in many different brutal executions.

lol omg. Yeah this game is NOT for humanitarians.



There is a difference between fighting for your survival and fighting for a cause with the "justification" of "If the purposes serves a greater good"

#70 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

Also would like to mention, Joel is in NO WAY insanse or psychopathic, his decisions always make perfect sense, are rational and reasonable, he's only icecold when he needs to be and brutal, but that's far from being a psycho.

#71 Posted by Young_Charter (19889 posts) -

Also would like to mention, Joel is in NO WAY insanse or psychopathic, his decisions always make perfect sense, are rational and reasonable, he's only icecold when he needs to be and brutal, but that's far from being a psycho.

Justforvisit
He's not psycho at all.
#72 Posted by blueboxdoctor (2398 posts) -

Definitely not a bad ending and I like it more now that it's over.  I think I was more frustrated with the game not playing some of the cutscenes so I was just hoping I wouldn't have to restart the game to watch the ending.  Even though Joel basically ruined some hopes for humanity it was hard to be against his decision (even if the part with the doctors at the end broke up the game some and made it feel more like a game than fighting for survival).  It's definitely my favorite ending in a Naughty Dog game this gen and one of my top endings of all games this gen (Bioshock Infinite and Enslaved Odyssey to the West had better endings IMO). 

I wonder if any of the DLC will add extra story/events after the end of the game (though, I suppose it would be easier to have back story of what Joel did before the events of this game, but that may make it difficult to be on his side if they have it so you play as part of one of the groups in Pittsburg or any other city) as it would be cool to see what they end up doing later on and even seeing what Ellie does 10-20 years in the future. 

Well, at the very least the ending has me wanting more (perhaps through books like the did with Mass Effect and Bioshock would be cool if they are working on something new or Uncharted 4 for the PS4).

#73 Posted by xkal318 (481 posts) -

Reading through these comments I realized something.  To me, the epilogue is tragic in this way: the role reversal of Joel and Ellie.

The first chapters after you meet Ellie, she is enthusiastic, talking, commenting and overly happy and hopeful while Joel is cynical, relentless in getting rid of this kid he's been stuck with.  

The epilogue reverses this and I think this is why we are playing as Ellie.  Joel is excited for this second chance with his "daughter", deluding himself into any happiness left.  Ellie has now become the quiet and pessimistic one.

Two quick sidenotes:

The Henry and Sam storyline was heartbreaking to me.

A lot of people are saying they would sacrifice Ellie for humanity.  This one is interesting.  While playing I kept telling myself I hate the hunters and marauders, I wish I could fight against the infected; they're easier and more fun to fight.  I think this is a testament to ND for making the hunters and marauders more monstrous than the infected.  So what would Ellie really be saving?

#75 Posted by MondasM (1302 posts) -

[QUOTE="WiiMan21"][QUOTE="hrt_rulz01"]Yeah I agree with pretty much everything you said. In a way it was incredibly selfish of Joel, but I was glad he saved Ellie. She is such a cool character. bigt503

It's very mixed, and I feel they did this on purpose. I feel like they're definitely rolling with the "There are no good guys or bad guys in this universe" idea, as to Joel looked almost psychopathic near the ending (which he did for the love of ellie).

 

Almost psycho? i went competly psycho i butcherd those doctors even when they were cowering, dispite the fact that just picking up ellie was an option 

i finished the game around 3 o'clock in the morning and had not realized that you could only pick ellie up and leave, so i brutally murdered the doctor/s and nurse/s... :) i also do think the ending was great, it made me feel sour and if a game can touch you enough to have feelings for the characters then it's time well spent... i do totally agree with the comments about the upcoming dlc packages, where naughty dog can opt for fireflies to pursuit joel and ellie, or stick with other characters or even do another flash forward where ellie, as an adult, would look for fireflies or what's left of the medical community, the universe is open for a lot of sequels and expansions... :)
#76 Posted by Justforvisit (5047 posts) -

Reading through these comments I realized something. To me, the epilogue is tragic in this way: the role reversal of Joel and Ellie.

The first chapters after you meet Ellie, she is enthusiastic, talking, commenting and overly happy and hopeful while Joel is cynical, relentless in getting rid of this kid he's been stuck with.

The epilogue reverses this and I think this is why we are playing as Ellie. Joel is excited for this second chance with his "daughter", deluding himself into any happiness left. Ellie has now become the quiet and pessimistic one.

Two quick sidenotes:

The Henry and Sam storyline was heartbreaking to me.

A lot of people are saying they would sacrifice Ellie for humanity. This one is interesting. While playing I kept telling myself I hate the hunters and marauders, I wish I could fight against the infected; they're easier and more fun to fight. I think this is a testament to ND for making the hunters and marauders more monstrous than the infected. So what would Ellie really be saving?

xkal318



Heck yes! Exactly what I was trying to say all the time! Just add in Fireflies as well, for in the end they show the most monstrous behavior mankind is able to show

#77 Posted by Young_Charter (19889 posts) -

[QUOTE="xkal318"]

Reading through these comments I realized something. To me, the epilogue is tragic in this way: the role reversal of Joel and Ellie.

The first chapters after you meet Ellie, she is enthusiastic, talking, commenting and overly happy and hopeful while Joel is cynical, relentless in getting rid of this kid he's been stuck with.

The epilogue reverses this and I think this is why we are playing as Ellie. Joel is excited for this second chance with his "daughter", deluding himself into any happiness left. Ellie has now become the quiet and pessimistic one.

Two quick sidenotes:

The Henry and Sam storyline was heartbreaking to me.

A lot of people are saying they would sacrifice Ellie for humanity. This one is interesting. While playing I kept telling myself I hate the hunters and marauders, I wish I could fight against the infected; they're easier and more fun to fight. I think this is a testament to ND for making the hunters and marauders more monstrous than the infected. So what would Ellie really be saving?

Justforvisit



Heck yes! Exactly what I was trying to say all the time! Just add in Fireflies as well, for in the end they show the most monstrous behavior mankind is able to show

wow. . That is a good point. Awesome perspective on the game guys. I totally agree.
#79 Posted by x-2tha-z (8899 posts) -
[QUOTE="Apeeze"][QUOTE="WiiMan21"][QUOTE="k--m--k"]

I dont think Ellie is the kind of person that would kill Joel for such reason

they care about each other too much.

I just wonder if Ellie did indeed believe Joel or not

WiiMan21
They were close but they were also growing apart, this is apparent in the last few chapters of the game. And Ellie also didn't believe Joel when he lied to her.

Your idea of them growing apart is interesting. what made you think they were growing apart?

You can tell that they are growing apart due to whenever Joel is talking to ellie, she is either occupied with something in the environment or kind of pushing it off. Like at the very end in Salt Lake City where she's barley paying any attention to him, or how shes drops the ladder while trying to hand it to Joel.

I don't think it's because they're growing apart. At the start of the Spring section, Ellie is seen standing and staring at a wall with an image of a deer on it. She's probably thinking how hunting that deer at the start of the winter section brought her to David and started that whole series of terrible events with David and the cannibals. She's obviously very traumatised by what happened and just kinda becomes withdrawn, thinking about what she went through and what she did. It would probably help her if she could talk about it with someone but Joel doesn't allow that. After the death of Henry and Sam, Ellie tells Joel that she wants to talk about it but he tells her no. He says that "things happen and we move on". She probably hasn't been able to come to terms with what happened with David because she hasn't been able to talk about it with anyone. Seeing the image of the deer would've brought it all back and Joel expecting her to be able to just forget and "move on" will be why she doesn't say much during that part. She doesn't even hear Joel at first when she's looking at that deer and he shouts her. She's lost in thought.
#80 Posted by shellcase86 (1934 posts) -

There was so much goin on in this game but as a real life father i was kinda lookin at this in the aspect that i figure Joel was. Having lost your daughter 20 yrs ago and now u have this young girl that over the course of the adventure end up caring for her like a daughter. There's no way in hell i could allow someone to kill a girl that i began to love like a daughter even if she might be the key to saving humanity. That would be something i would have to talk and discuss with her at a time when she is older and allow her to make the decision herself when im not aroundMadMike2869

Ditto. Being a father myself, I couldn't help but see any other choice Joel could take. After a journey like that, those two became too connected to give up on each other.

#81 Posted by TheFallenDemon (13933 posts) -
Keep in mind though, Ellie knew that Joel was lying to her at the end and that something went wrong with the Fireflies but she accepted it anyways.
#82 Posted by Ballroompirate (23290 posts) -

lets not go out of the topic here

Ellie at the end of the game implied that she doesnt want anyone to suffer like her and her friend did and I am sure was ready to die for it

k--m--k

Thing is she did want to die, people seem to forget that's why she said "when is it my turn to get bitten", she was willing to sacrifice herself cause she felt like she had nothing to live for and she really didn't want to be a part of this "new humankind" cause shes seen the dark side of humankind and basically pulls what Joel does throughout the game.

As for the ending, I loved it, there were moments I thought Joel was gonna die and it kept my heart pumping. Then you find out he lives which is a nice touch cause lately devs have the grand idea this gen of "hey lets make you like this character, then kill them off" which is annoying as frack. Joel is probably one of my fav characters this gen, the pain he goes through is just....wow, with the loss of his wife (we don't know what happened to her), the loss of his daughter and the loss of a good friend and possible love interest Tess, the man has gone through hell and some how still holds it together without completely going insane.

#83 Posted by Young_Charter (19889 posts) -

[QUOTE="k--m--k"]

lets not go out of the topic here

Ellie at the end of the game implied that she doesnt want anyone to suffer like her and her friend did and I am sure was ready to die for it

Ballroompirate

Thing is she did want to die, people seem to forget that's why she said "when is it my turn to get bitten", she was willing to sacrifice herself cause she felt like she had nothing to live for and she really didn't want to be a part of this "new humankind" cause shes seen the dark side of humankind and basically pulls what Joel does throughout the game.

As for the ending, I loved it, there were moments I thought Joel was gonna die and it kept my heart pumping. Then you find out he lives which is a nice touch cause lately devs have the grand idea this gen of "hey lets make you like this character, then kill them off" which is annoying as frack. Joel is probably one of my fav characters this gen, the pain he goes through is just....wow, with the loss of his wife (we don't know what happened to her), the loss of his daughter and the loss of a good friend and possible love interest Tess, the man has gone through hell and some how still holds it together without completely going insane.

This sums it all up perfectly. In comparison to many characters I feel as if Joel is like a Max Payne but in a apocalypse like world without the bullet time. Sheesh, I have to eventually play through the game on survival.
#84 Posted by SOedipus (6817 posts) -

I thought it was awesome. It's what I have would have done (considering if I was a total badass in a post-apocalyptic future).

#85 Posted by Granny_Spanked (1326 posts) -
I like how leaves it open for a sequel, or it could end as is.
#86 Posted by Asim90 (3692 posts) -

I really took my time with the game and after 20 hours I finally finished it. I personally enjoyed the ending but I do feel it was a little too abrupt. It would have been nice to see them reach the village and show some more dialogue. Still a superb game though!

#87 Posted by bezza2011 (2662 posts) -

I had no doubts or problems with joel saving ellie. After picking up one of those recorders left in the hospital and the doctor on the recording said they have extracted the brains and tissues from other immune subjects and they are getting closer with each one. 

yonnex

Yep exactly i think a whole lot of people and maybe even some critics missed this little gem of a recording, stating they had found people and they say they were getting close??? hmmmmmmm how close and how many people will they need to get a cure i honestly think they were no where near the cure and they were all just hoping.

For me the ending was perfect, Joel gave up on humanity a long time ago, when they killed his daughter for no reason, that solider had a choice and he chose to be a sheep and not think for himself, the government just made humans be cattle keeping them in camps. He had lost faith until he met Ellie, an Innocent child in all this, and throughout the story gets amazed at the little things in life we all just take for granted, Ellie Saved Joels life a few times throughout, and looked after him when he was on the brink of death, Their is no way joel would allow Ellie to be killed when they're really was no sure thing that a cure would come of it. 

It also allows their to be a sequel which can branch off to many a story, and i'm glad and i hope i revisit the world again. 

#88 Posted by bezza2011 (2662 posts) -

I really took my time with the game and after 20 hours I finally finished it. I personally enjoyed the ending but I do feel it was a little too abrupt. It would have been nice to see them reach the village and show some more dialogue. Still a superb game though!

Asim90

I completely agree with that i'd of liked to of seen maybe a 3weeks later or a 3years later or something showing how intergrated they were within the town, or even the conversation he would have to have with his brother knowing that he knew that ellie was infected. 

#89 Posted by jonnyjhOmedog (2 posts) -
There has GOT to be a sequel. Think about it 1. Both the main characters are still alive 2. The world is still shit 3. There is still no cure for the infection 4. Joel lied to Ellie, instead of telling her the truth, leaving the question "Why" didn't he tell her the truth. The only answer I can think of is because Joel killed Marlene, Ellie's former friend. But I'm sure Ellie wouldn't be THAT upset, would she? I mean, Marlene did try to kill Ellie. Maybe Joel didn't tell her because he thinks Ellie IS willing to die, and he doesn't want to give her that option. What do you guys think?
#90 Posted by Farty_Fartsalot (29 posts) -
[QUOTE="jonnyjhOmedog"]There has GOT to be a sequel. Think about it 1. Both the main characters are still alive 2. The world is still shit 3. There is still no cure for the infection 4. Joel lied to Ellie, instead of telling her the truth, leaving the question "Why" didn't he tell her the truth. The only answer I can think of is because Joel killed Marlene, Ellie's former friend. But I'm sure Ellie wouldn't be THAT upset, would she? I mean, Marlene did try to kill Ellie. Maybe Joel didn't tell her because he thinks Ellie IS willing to die, and he doesn't want to give her that option. What do you guys think?

If there will be, it will likely be a different story/characters. I don't know... I think we're all a little too attached to Joel & Ellie. http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Last-of-Us-Sequel-Could-Still-Focus-on-Joel-and-Ellie-Story-364089.shtml
#91 Posted by DenzelFreeman (100 posts) -
I also absolutely loved the ending of the game. Like you said it was not the prototypical ending of most video games with a giant gun fight or massive explosions. It is about the moral dilemma that Joel has to face, and the fact that his true feelings for Ellie are revealed. I think the greatness I'm the ending is the debate that it brings up. Would you save this little girl which you have feelings for like a daughter or would you let her be turned into an experiment for a possible cure to end this infection? I love games that leave you thinking about it long after the end and that is what this game provided. The ending especially.
#92 Posted by JasonDarksavior (9323 posts) -
I thought he was very selfish ...
#93 Posted by sajjed (11 posts) -

I just checked my account purely to say this: A vaccine and a cure are quite two different things, in The Last of Us its a vaccine, not a cure and Ill explain, a vaccine would prevent infection by building an immunity against it, its basically a more docile infection without the whole turning into a crazy plant person and the body prepares against it, creating an immunity so if you were to be bitten by infected you wouldnt turn, meaning the infection couldnt spread any more.

However a cure is much different, a cure would imply you could stop or reverse the changes the infection caused. This is quite an impossible task seeing the way the infection works, it corrupts the brain and the body with spores at a certain stage, the Clicker stage and past that would be a area none could return from bar a medical miracle. Although those stages couldnt work, if you were to create a cure it would be able to work if the person was only recently infected but has yet to turn or perhaps even at Stage one: the Runner seeing as theyre not too far gone but the chances of reversing stage one is slim, all it could do is prevent one from turning.

The thing attempted in The Last of Us is not a cure, but a vaccine. Such a thing is laughable though, a vaccine at this stage? After 20 years of the infection spreading and the Fireflies believe that would even do anything? A cure is not possible but a vaccine is viable. The usage of such would be heavily limited and basically useless so long after the outbreak, perhaps it could have turned the tide if it was created soon after the outbreak of the infection but at that point in time it wouldnt do that much. How in hell would you even supply the vaccine anyway? The world has long gone to hell, with the remaining pockets of humanity (in game WHO article says 60%+ are either dead or infected at the time of publishing) scattered far and wide across the world, it would be quite the achievement to even supply it to residents in the USA with such a lack of resources and everyone too busy surviving, its purely a lost cause but the Fireflies have sacrificed too much to leave it at that and continue on attempting to create a vaccine at all costs fearing all the sacrifice would be in vain.

I dare to attack many of you dudes criticism of the morals of Joel: Since when have morals helped you survive? Heres one in game example: After you get the car from Bill you drive for quite the time until you and Ellie see a person showing injury, assuming you are moral you would help the poor man, wouldnt you? How kind of you! Until it reveals how its actually a trap used by bandits to kill people so they themselves can survive. In a time like this morality goes flying out the window and any attempt to retain it ends up in your death, to put it simply. Joel understood this, he changed from normal law-abiding citizen to a survivor willing to do anything to live and thats why he survived 20 years after the outbreak.

Ellie shows signs of a mental condition named survivors guilt through-out the game and especially at the end when she reveals Rileys (her friend) death, she feels guilt for multiple people, blaming herself for the deaths of Tess, Sam and Riley (all infected, Ellies fear when asked by Sam is not the infected but to be alone) even though it isnt actually her fault shes immune and they werent. Through-out the game she goes on about how it all cant be for nothing and does show signs of actually wanting to live such as the part before they drowns telling Joel after all this you can teach me how to swim implying she and Joel (he also assumes it, he tells her after all this Ill teach you how to play guitar but is met with silence, either this is because of her survivors guilt or because of the encounter with David as this level begins right after Davids death at the hands of Ellie) think its just going to be a blood sample and not surgery while shes having conflicting emotions over what is the correct choice due to the mental condition, in a child survivors guilt is especially difficult to deal with obviously.

In the end Joel saves Ellie from forced surgery (explained in a second) by having to kill the main surgeon as he threatened Joel by either stabbing him with the surgeons knife or you can choose to just shoot him if you want, the other two are optional but they are busy cowering, calling Joel an animal and being fearful for their lives. Joel escapes to the elevator carrying Ellie by running past multiple Fireflies and arrives in the hospitals underground garage only to be greeted by a gun-pointing Marlene who goes on about what if scenarios regarding Ellie but then says ITS WHAT SHE WOULD WANT showing Ellie didnt actually give permission, its not wants but would want. You finder a few recorders by Marlene explaining however that her permission asked by the surgeons, Marlene or Ellies refusal wouldnt achieve squat, they were mere formalities, they would go ahead with the surgery even if Marlene or Ellie refused.

Joel then shoots Marlene after she started to lower her weapon, Marlene begging for her life causes Joel to hesitate until he says how she would just come after us as in she wouldnt stop at getting Ellie back to attempt a vaccine, he then shoots her in the head, takes the car and heads toward Tommys camp, her death meant no Firefly pursuers Ellie was finally safe. Do note Joel does indeed through-out the game soften to Ellie from where he only wants to get rid of her and get his payment to willing to kill and die for her, likening her to his dead daughter.

On the outskirts of Tommys camp Ellie in another final burst of survivors guilt, confronts Joel about the Fireflies, about him lying saying how the Fireflies failed to provide a vaccine via testing on various other immune people but Joel lies again to console her, with Ellie seeing right through it.

This action would cause the removal of most, if not all of the weight of survivors guilt from Ellie seeing as they can put some if not all of the blame on Joel.

This is the end of Joel and Ellies story, them living out their lives in the relative safety of Tommys camp.

At this point all mankind can do is survive like they have did before, rebuild society while hunting down the infected, eventually they all become the Spore Cadavers so a possibility is to wait it out then track the cadavers down and burn them. Where bullets fail, fire doesnt. Fire is effective against the infected in general, even most so than bullets.

So basically Joel is right, surviving, saving Ellie and all that. A vaccine is pretty much as useless as a vaccine can be, especially seeing as you would have to kill an immune person to attempt the creation of a vaccine with no promise it would work. Even if a vaccine worked the Infected do still exist, they just cant spread it to those immune but they still are very much a threat. Supplying the vaccine to those that require it is a nigh-impossible task in that type of world so damaged. Everyone in the game is simply surviving, nor good or evil. When society falls so does morality.

A sequel is a possibility but it wont contain Joel and Ellie since their story is already told in this game sadly. Though I personally would love to see some form of closure to the story of Ellie and Joel. At the very least, that is what I ask of Naughty Dog. I assume that is what a lot of people would want as well. The ending was amazing but closure is important. Particularly if they could mabye do like an after math DLC, possiblly looking more at the bonding between the two characters. Mabye a DLC where it continues right after the end with them going to Tommy's. Perhaps you take part in teaching Ellie how to swim or play guatar or something like that. You know further character development so then there would be some kind of closure. Anyway, enough of me!

#94 Posted by pickettsticket (179 posts) -

I do not know what has been said here already (5 pages . . . )

But I loved it, and those that say the cure is forever out of reach now . . . is it not at all possible joel can tell her when she is older and she can choose a time to die . . . for instance if she is getting older she can just go through the procedure?

Anyway the game was fantastic and the decission Joel made was one i respected and was both awesome and emotional.

#95 Posted by sajjed (11 posts) -

Hmm. I do doubt that Joel would tell her the truth. He lied to both protect her and prevent her from killing herself. Plus to rid her off the guilt as through the lie, he pretty much took it upon himself (and we all know Joel is quite capable of absorbing guilt lol). The bond between Joel and Ellie is way too powerful. She even knows he lied, but she accepted it. Why? Cause she loved him and in some ways, I think she wanted him to lie. Sometimes a lie is indeed the only way to perserve a form of true love...Amazing game by the way. I gotta say.

#96 Posted by 06 (932 posts) -
The ending was lacking almost like it was setting up a sequel where she runs off on her own. The one issue I had was the fact that everyone in this game wanted to kill you outside a few. Joel and Ellie killed those group members so they are hell bent on getting revenge, but at what cost? To lose dozens of men at the cost of getting two people didn't make since. It's a fight for Survival and the risk didn't match the gain, their motivations didn't make since to me. I know it's a game but it killed the Atmosphere when groups and groups of people want you dead for no rhyme or reason.gagit811
From what I remember the real reason was not for revenge, it was because the leader had a thing for Ellie and wanted to basically capture her, the other members of the community really didn't like the idea of risking themselves just for two people.
#97 Posted by daveydark (314 posts) -

Amazing ending, after hearing Marlene say in the recording "Anna you daugher will be with you soon", as if she felt morally satisfied killing an inncoent person pissed me off so much and I was like I am comming for you Ellie. man i never felt so absorbed into a video game storyline.

#98 Posted by lancea34 (6912 posts) -

When I finished the game I had mixed feelings about the ending. Yes, it was perfect, but I didn't know how or what to feel for Joel and Ellie at that point. Couldn't decide wether Joel was a selfish bastard or a caring father. Couldn't decide wether to be happy for Ellie still being alive or sad for her since she didn't save humanity. The look on her face at the end... she looked like she actually wanted to die, waiting "for her turn".

On side note I struck a tear when Joel called her "baby girl" when picking her up at the end. :') 

#99 Posted by IAAGguy (107 posts) -

The ending... I have to say... was NOT what I was expecting :P

#100 Posted by wrlxx333x2 (10 posts) -

After playing the game, which was an overall masterpiece, the controls were a little sticky at times but otherwise a great game, the ending threw me for a loop. I was thrown off by Ellie's response to Joel's lie. I do believe that Ellie did piece it all together in the end and she knew that Joel was lying to her face but rather than killing him she was okay with it. It seemed like an abrupt ending but like the previous before me I do agree that if they continued with the scene it would have been too cliché. But this is what throws me off, while she was walking with him up this field, Joel seems very happy, talking about his daughter almost as if he has taken the paternal role in Ellie's life and Ellie seems so distant. Its a complete switch in attitudes, and this is what threw me off, I almost wanted Ellie and Joel to be happy and laughing together. So the ending to me was a little weird and I wanted more and more. I say a sequel should be in demand!